KMC Title Belt Championship Battlezone

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Don Corleone
This is a battlezone that will have 9 title belts on the line.

1. Street level KMC champion 3 different belts ( low class) ( middle) ( high)

2. Mid tier KMC champion 3 different belts ( low) ( middle) ( high)

3. Herald level KMC champion 3 different belts ( low) ( middle) ( high)

One match per belt . 2 participants per match. The participants will be chosen per order of willingness to participate. The winner of each match therefor will be KMC champion in their respective tier.


Once a champion is crowned he will be KMC champ for a month's period before having to defend his/her belt. If the champ cannot battle he/she will lose their belt. However, a champ can decide to defend his/her belt at anytime and run up numbers of times the belt has been defended.

Rules :

Random encounter for the characters and characters have to be approved for their tier. Location of fight's will be agreed by the participants.

Judges :

There will be 3 judges for these matches at all times.

Digi has agreed to judge, I'll need 2 more.

abhilegend
Cool. Can I participate?

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
Cool. Can I participate?

Of course ! Any member with over 500 post can ( we avoid socks that way).

What tier would you like to rep ?

Galan007
I don't have time to actively participate these days, but I'd be more than happy to judge if you'd like.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't have time to actively participate these days, but I'd be more than happy to judge if you'd like.

What better judge than you man ! You're in !

I'll need 1 more judge.

Judges so far :

1. Digi
2. Galan

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Of course ! Any member with over 500 post can ( we avoid socks that way).

What tier would you like to rep ?
Well, its good that I've 5000 posts.
Herald. Do we have to chose characters?

JakeTheBank
abhil is obviously going to rep Thor here.

Also, does "Herald" constitute Low through High? Or just High Heralds?

Don Corleone
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
abhil is obviously going to rep Thor here.

Also, does "Herald" constitute Low through High? Or just High Heralds?

Low- High

abhilegend
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
abhil is obviously going to rep Thor here.

Also, does "Herald" constitute Low through High? Or just High Heralds?
You read my mind.

Gecko4lif
Ill judge

Blair Wind
I can judge.

Don Corleone
abhilegend is now the 1# ranked contender for the KMC Herald level title belt. Is there no one who will challenge him ?


Thanks to all who will judge . I'll pm you before the 1st match.

Judges:

1. Digi
2. Galan
3. Gecko4lif
4. Blair ( reserve judge should any of the top 3 become unavailable).

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, its good that I've 5000 posts.
Herald. Do we have to chose characters?

Sorry, didn't see this post.

Yeah, you have to chose a character and I'll ok it.

Thor's ok for Herald. thumb up

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
abhilegend is now the 1# ranked contender for the KMC Herald level title belt. Is there no one who will challenge him ?


Thanks to all who will judge . I'll pm you before the 1st match.

Judges:

1. Digi
2. Galan
3. Gecko4lif
4. Blair ( reserve judge should any of the top 3 become unavailable).
So can I choose my character now? And would it be done with kmc tiers?

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
So can I choose my character now? And would it be done with kmc tiers?

Yeah, go ahead and chose your character but as soon as someone challenges you have to battle.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Sorry, didn't see this post.

Yeah, you have to chose a character and I'll ok it.

Thor's ok for Herald. thumb up
So lets say I chose a mid herald from kmc tier list, then would I have to fight a high herald character if my opponent picked one?
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Yeah, go ahead and chose your character but as soon as someone challenges you have to battle.
Can I change my character once I used it in one fight?

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
So lets say I chose a mid herald from kmc tier list, then would I have to fight a high herald character if my opponent picked one?

Yes sir.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Yes sir.
Its not fair, fights should be in their own tiers.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its not fair, fights should be in their own tiers.

Then chose a high herald. stick out tongue

Don Corleone
If your character is not on this list just pm me about it .


Herald:

High:
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Qztr, The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (including B/R and AS), Thor, The Void

Middle:
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet,Captain Marvel (DC), Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Kid Omega, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman

Low:
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gammid, Gamora (w/Godslayer), Ganondorf, Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Winter, Zauriel,

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High:
Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle:
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Enchantress, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Link, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Wonder Girl,

Low:
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, K', Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Ryu Hayabusa, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar

Street Level

High:
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23

Middle:
Red Hood , Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Rose Tattoo, Turok, Wildcat

Low:
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger

leonidas
this sounds kind of cool.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Then chose a high herald. stick out tongue
But then it would be boring, everyone would chose a high herald. I wanted to rep a mid herald here.
Originally posted by Don Corleone
If your character is not on this list just pm me about it .


Herald:

High:
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Qztr, The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (including B/R and AS), Thor, The Void

Middle:
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet,Captain Marvel (DC), Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Kid Omega, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman

Low:
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gammid, Gamora (w/Godslayer), Ganondorf, Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Winter, Zauriel,

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High:
Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle:
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Enchantress, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Link, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Wonder Girl,

Low:
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, K', Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Ryu Hayabusa, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar

Street Level

High:
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23

Middle:
Red Hood , Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Rose Tattoo, Turok, Wildcat

Low:
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger
Just to let you know many guys in high herald tier like genis, zemo, void etc belong in trans tier. They shouldn't be allowed here.

Philosophía
Originally posted by leonidas
this sounds kind of cool. It could be fun if people would get involved, but something tells me not many will.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by leonidas
this sounds kind of cool.

I can just see someone sporting the phrase ( KMC Herald Champ) under their avi. smile

Originally posted by abhilegend
But then it would be boring, everyone would chose a high herald. I wanted to rep a mid herald here.

Just to let you know many guys in high herald tier like genis, zemo, void etc belong in trans tier. They shouldn't be allowed here.

The tier system is just opinion based thus why the thread was closed. No one will ever agree on a perfect system. That's, why we battlezone . A good debater can present enough evidence to win a match . I understand if you don't wish to participate.

Also, I would give the ok for the characters. I won't allow Genis vs. Mar-Vell for example.

Don Corleone

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
I can just see someone sporting the phrase ( KMC Herald Champ) under their avi. smile



The tier system is just opinion based thus why the thread was closed. No one will ever agree on a perfect system. That's, why we battlezone . A good debater can present enough evidence to win a match . I understand if you don't wish to participate.

Also, I would give the ok for the characters. I won't allow Genis vs. Mar-Vell for example.
No, I would participate of course. Its fun. So any of those guys are game, huh? I would chose a character soon.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I would participate of course. Its fun. So any of those guys are game, huh? I would chose a character soon.

Cool, try and chose a character you know to be Herald. I know that list is old and may change day to day due to recent books. In the end I'll have to ok it.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Cool, try and chose a character you know to be Herald. I know that list is old and may change day to day due to recent books. In the end I'll have to ok it.
One last question, is this going to be like a tourney or like a standard KMC fight?

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
One last question, is this going to be like a tourney or like a standard KMC fight?

3 standard KMC fights. 3 champs will be named. As soon as we have 2 interested in the same tier they will battle, and a champ will be named immediately.

Don Corleone
Battlezones quite slow these days.

JakeTheBank
If I may, I'd like to suggest having belts for the sub-tiers for each category. It might make the whole thing seem bloated (nine titles total), but that way it keeps the power level differences more manageable. While I do agree a skilled debater can make a case for a weaker character beating a more powerful one, a debater of equal or greater skill, or even just being halfway decent, can drive home the fact that their opponent simply can't compete with them.

And if you divide them by low, mid, and high classes, you'll likely see something different than a debater constantly drafting Thor/Surfer/Superman or something.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If I may, I'd like to suggest having belts for the sub-tiers for each category. It might make the whole thing seem bloated (nine titles total), but that way it keeps the power level differences more manageable. While I do agree a skilled debater can make a case for a weaker character beating a more powerful one, a debater of equal or greater skill, or even just being halfway decent, can drive home the fact that their opponent simply can't compete with them.

And if you divide them by low, mid, and high classes, you'll likely see something different than a debater constantly drafting Thor/Surfer/Superman or something.

Seems like a very good idea Jake. Let's go with this. Also, I'll need you to help me out with this just in case I'm not around you can keep this going.

JakeTheBank
Sure thing. thumb up

Don Corleone
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Sure thing. thumb up

I'll pm Bada so he can edit the OP and add the new belts.

Badabing
Originally posted by Don Corleone
This is a battlezone that will have 9 title belts on the line.

1. Street level KMC champion 3 different belts ( low class) ( middle) ( high)

2. Mid tier KMC champion 3 different belts ( low) ( middle) ( high)

3. Herald level KMC champion 3 different belts ( low) ( middle) ( high)

One match per belt . 2 participants per match. The participants will be chosen per order of willingness to participate. The winner of each match therefor will be KMC champion in their respective tier.


Once a champion is crowned he will be KMC champ for a month's period before having to defend his/her belt. If the champ cannot battle he/she will lose their belt. However, a champ can decide to defend his/her belt at anytime and run up numbers of times the belt has been defended.

Rules :

Random encounter for the characters and characters have to be approved for their tier. Location of fight's will be agreed by the participants.

Judges :

There will be 3 judges for these matches at all times.

Digi has agreed to judge, I'll need 2 more. The OP was modified at Donald's request.

abhilegend
Now I want to fight someone RIGHT NOW to claim the belt.

biensalsa
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Of course ! Any member with over 500 post can ( we avoid socks that way).

What tier would you like to rep ?

Yes! that means I'm not a sock big grin

And I'm to green to enter but I will enjoy reading it

Existere
I'm down to compete for High Meta, Low Herald (my personal preference) or Mid Herald titles.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Badabing
The OP was modified at Donald's request.

Last person to call me Donald is swimming with the fishes. no expression

And thank you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Now I want to fight someone RIGHT NOW to claim the belt.

I want a belt brought back to shine in the halls of Authority.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Yes! that means I'm not a sock big grin

And I'm to green to enter but I will enjoy reading it

You're good to go man !

Originally posted by Existere
I'm down to compete for High Meta, Low Herald (my personal preference) or Mid Herald titles.

I think it's just a matter of time before you own 1 or more belts.


Guys, I'm going to have images of belts with your screen names on them for all winners ( always).

Don Corleone
I'll have a record of KMC's ranking system based on willingness to participate. Try to make clear what weight class you want to challenge in.

KMC ranking system :

High Herald

1. abhilegend

Mid Herald

1. Existere

Low Herald

1. Existere

High Meta

1. Existere

abhilegend
Actually I wanted mid herald first. I can rep all three herald tiers.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually I wanted mid herald first. I can rep all three herald tiers.

Well, then I believe you and Existere could battle in our very first title match for the Mid Herald KMC championship .

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Well, then I believe you and Existere could battle in our very first title match for the Mid Herald KMC championship .
Cool. Who gets to chose the character first and what are the rules?

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
Cool. Who gets to chose the character first and what are the rules?

Standard KMC rules , CIS is off.

Battle is open for 2 weeks 15-20 post max.

He get's to chose first because he stated his willingness to participate in the particular weight class first. Both characters have to be approved. And both off you will agree on a battle local.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Standard KMC rules , CIS is off.

Battle is open for 2 weeks 15-20 post max.

He get's to chose first because he stated his willingness to participate in the particular weight class first. Both characters have to be approved. And both off you will agree on a battle local.
So when would this start?

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
So when would this start?

As soon as both of you agree on a start date . No one but mods, judges , jake, or myself are allowed to post in the battlezone until it is over. Posters can give their opinions once it's over, before or after judging.

Existere
So are these matches tournament-style, or are they just like forum battles?

Faceman should understand what I mean...

abhilegend
Originally posted by Existere
So are these matches tournament-style, or are they just like forum battles?

Faceman should understand what I mean...
Ok, existere let's sort out when we want to start. When do you want to start?

Don Corleone

Existere

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Existere
Whenever, I'm not really too concerned. I'm good with as soon as a couple days from now, or later if you like. Is there even the most basic of prep time?

Also, abhilegend hasn't competed in a tourney, right? It should be made clear to him what a 'tourney-style' match consists of. I'd feel bad if we started without him understanding the extent of control we have over the characters.

Ask and you will receive .

Rule 13. 20 minutes of prep pre-fight, hosted in the your home base . After that both characters are teleported to the battlefield.


Any more questions can be handled via pm to jake or myself.

I'll need a pm from any of you with the start date so that I may alert the judges over by the bar.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Existere
Whenever, I'm not really too concerned. I'm good with as soon as a couple days from now, or later if you like. Is there even the most basic of prep time?

Also, abhilegend hasn't competed in a tourney, right? It should be made clear to him what a 'tourney-style' match consists of. I'd feel bad if we started without him understanding the extent of control we have over the characters.
I'm fine by a few days. I've read a few tourney thread here. However a crash course would be appreciated.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm fine by a few days. I've read a few tourney thread here. However a crash course would be appreciated.

I'll pm you.

Also, try and pm your pics and start date so that I can prepare the thread in time.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
I'll pm you.

Also, try and pm your pics and start date so that I can prepare the thread in time.
Ok, I would do it soon.

leonidas
well this should be interesting smile

Don Corleone
Originally posted by leonidas
well this should be interesting smile

It should be fun once more members start participating. Think I'm going to add a ( tag team title).

Guy's, hold off on the battle for a minute. I have to give rule 13 some thought.

quanchi112
Hey Face would you be up for Insane Genis versus my Rune King Thor ? I have no faith in abhilegend ever coming through for our battlezone.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hey Face would you be up for Insane Genis versus my Rune King Thor ? I have no faith in abhilegend ever coming through for our battlezone.

Pm me , but probably not. erm

IMO RKT > IG barely

quanchi112
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Pm me , but probably not. erm

IMO RKT > IG barely I only want to do the battlezones when someone believes their guy wins. If you think Rune Thor wins there's no point in doing one against you.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by quanchi112
I only want to do the battlezones when someone believes their guy wins. If you think Rune Thor wins there's no point in doing one against you.

There are a lot of belts here , I believe you have a legit chance of challenging for one of them.

abhilegend
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hey Face would you be up for Insane Genis versus my Rune King Thor ? I have no faith in abhilegend ever coming through for our battlezone.
My laptop isn't repaired yet.

Digi
Originally posted by Don Corleone
abhilegend is now the 1# ranked contender for the KMC Herald level title belt. Is there no one who will challenge him ?


Thanks to all who will judge . I'll pm you before the 1st match.

Judges:

1. Digi
2. Galan
3. Gecko4lif
4. Blair ( reserve judge should any of the top 3 become unavailable).

Do 5 judges.

Digi
Originally posted by abhilegend
But then it would be boring, everyone would chose a high herald. I wanted to rep a mid herald here.

Just to let you know many guys in high herald tier like genis, zemo, void etc belong in trans tier. They shouldn't be allowed here.

The tiers list is rather out of date. I closed it something like 2 years ago, and even then it wasn't perfect. It should be a decent beginning tool, but not the end-all opinion on these matches.

Originally posted by Existere
Whenever, I'm not really too concerned. I'm good with as soon as a couple days from now, or later if you like. Is there even the most basic of prep time?

Also, abhilegend hasn't competed in a tourney, right? It should be made clear to him what a 'tourney-style' match consists of. I'd feel bad if we started without him understanding the extent of control we have over the characters.

There's a reason I made the Tourney Respect Thread. There's ample opportunity for research.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If I may, I'd like to suggest having belts for the sub-tiers for each category. It might make the whole thing seem bloated (nine titles total), but that way it keeps the power level differences more manageable. While I do agree a skilled debater can make a case for a weaker character beating a more powerful one, a debater of equal or greater skill, or even just being halfway decent, can drive home the fact that their opponent simply can't compete with them.

And if you divide them by low, mid, and high classes, you'll likely see something different than a debater constantly drafting Thor/Surfer/Superman or something.

Starting small is always advisable. I'd go with 3 and build toward it.

.....

I'd actually be thrilled to compete for High or Low Meta. Screw all heralds though. I'm never entering anything above High Meta ever again (probably). For now, though, I'll judge.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Digi
Do 5 judges.

You mean ?http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/starsky.gif

I'll need 1-2 more members to volunteer ...We have 4 strong judges at the moment.

Rule 13 or prep time will be addressed within 24 hours.

JakeTheBank
I'll judge.

Robtard
Are really obscure characters allowed?

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
My laptop isn't repaired yet. I grow impatient.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by Robtard
Are really obscure characters allowed?

So long as they meet the tier criteria they'd be debated in, I wouldn't see why not.

Digi
Agree to a start date and match length and stick to it. This isn't an elimination-style thing, so if someone doesn't show, they just forfeit that match and the next challenger should come up.

Keep things moving. Letting judges or participants slow things down will kill interest, and this format allows for all sorts of turnover and new challengers.

Existere
Originally posted by Digi
There's a reason I made the Tourney Respect Thread. There's ample opportunity for research.
For sure. I just want to make it clear that a tourney style match differs pretty strongly from a regular forum match with a whole different mindset that plays in to character drafts, strategy, etc.

The distinction might not be clear to someone who'd never seen a KMC tourney - it's not like we've had one for a while. srug

Don Corleone

Don Corleone
Scratch out rule 3.

Digi
Originally posted by Existere
For sure. I just want to make it clear that a tourney style match differs pretty strongly from a regular forum match with a whole different mindset that plays in to character drafts, strategy, etc.

The distinction might not be clear to someone who'd never seen a KMC tourney - it's not like we've had one for a while. srug

Fair enough. With multiple possible opportunities for those interested, though, I imagine it will need to be kind of a trial by fire. Tourney-style debating isn't easy to transition to right away.

Robtard
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So long as they meet the tier criteria they'd be debated in, I wouldn't see why not.

-Sir James Jaspers-

Come at me, bro.

Existere
Wouldn't really call Jim Jaspers obscure, but that's a hard bar to meet around here.

I also wouldn't call him herald level though. ermm

Blair Wind
Originally posted by Digi
Tourney-style debating isn't easy to transition to right away.

I disagree. It's incredibly easy biscuits

Existere
Originally posted by Blair Wind
I disagree. It's incredibly easy biscuits Brings me back to my very first tourney match.

When I beat you.

haw-som

Digi
Originally posted by Existere
Brings me back to my very first tourney match.

When I beat you.

haw-som

You realize you just set him up, yeah?

wink

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I disagree. It's incredibly easy biscuits

Lol. I don't know when the transition occurred from "I have a good idea and can sling some BS" to "I know everything my character has ever done, every bad thing that has ever happened to your team, and I am documenting it in this 10,000 character post," but there were simpler times on KMC. Times when you could just wander in and win a tourney. I think your first win was probably somewhere in between.

Existere
Originally posted by Digi
You realize you just set him up, yeah?

wink
...no sad

Digi
His comment was an allusion to how he won his first tourney essentially as a nobody (or at least an underdog).

Which he could have rebutted with. But now that I've telegraphed it, he can't use it. You're welcome.

crackers

...my first match was a no-show. I had a ridiculous writeup and no one to fight. It was all kinds of frustrating.

Gecko4lif
Your too terrifying digi

Existere
Originally posted by Digi
His comment was an allusion to how he won his first tourney essentially as a nobody (or at least an underdog).

Which he could have rebutted with. But now that I've telegraphed it, he can't use it. You're welcome.

crackers
Oh... yeah. I did think of that - my prepared response was to point out that I WAS winning my first tourney, til it never finished. ermmnone

I was ahead in points of all you chumps.

Blair Wind
Originally posted by Existere
Oh... yeah. I did think of that - my prepared response was to point out that I WAS winning my first tourney, til it never finished. ermmnone

All that matters is the rings stick out tongue

Even then, I remember being either second place or tied for first by playoff time in that tournament. Care to look it up? I don't remember Delph's website.

Originally posted by Existere
Brings me back to my very first tourney match.

When I beat you.

haw-som

I honestly don't remember. Which? If it was my second tournament with Darkcrawler (where we had Jubilee + Synch) well, that was an off tournament for us. Essentially no one was understanding my points that we didn't need the enhancements that DC kept depending on (sub atomic explosions, at base + his math stuff), and everyone kept focusing on what they thought was a ridiculous notion of Synch's powers.

I concede I have been beaten before - everyone has. It's not like it's a knock to lose to you. It would be bad if I lost to someone like trick though.

Last time I checked, I still have the best record against Scoob - who has the best record overall, even with people like Digi dragging him down biscuits

Originally posted by Digi
His comment was an allusion to how he won his first tourney essentially as a nobody (or at least an underdog).

Which he could have rebutted with. But now that I've telegraphed it, he can't use it. You're welcome.

crackers

...my first match was a no-show. I had a ridiculous writeup and no one to fight. It was all kinds of frustrating.

While true, my first tournament had me pitted against the likes of Long Pig, Khellandros, Illadelph, and Scoobless. Even today, that's a formidable list. Even you thought so:

Originally posted by Digi
Best Tourney Newcomer

1 - Blair Wind
Why: In his first tourney he entered one of the toughest fields in tourney history, came out on top. 'nuf said..

stick out tongue

Existere
Originally posted by Blair Wind
All that matters is the rings stick out tongue

Even then, I remember being either second place or tied for first by playoff time in that tournament. Care to look it up? I don't remember Delph's website.
House of Zod.

I don't remember how points were calculated, but I do remember I was the only one to remain undefeated. In a tournament with you, DC, Digi, Leo, Charlotte and others - plus I was on my own.

Not that this is about comparing tourney-cock sizes (and I still haven't actually won gold...), but I still feel pretty pumped looking back at it.

Blair Wind
Edit: laughing out loud I don't want to take over this thread with our past talk. I'll PM you.

Existere
Right.

Except it should be noted that my 'teammate' was present for half a match. haermm

-Pr-
Originally posted by Existere
House of Zod.

I don't remember how points were calculated, but I do remember I was the only one to remain undefeated. In a tournament with you, DC, Digi, Leo, Charlotte and others - plus I was on my own.

Not that this is about comparing tourney-cock sizes (and I still haven't actually won gold...), but I still feel pretty pumped looking back at it.

Nice of you to remember me. sad

Don Corleone
I think I remember being teamed up with nvr once and getting eliminated in the 2nd round of a tourny over in the HOZ authority site. Fun times.

Existere
Originally posted by -Pr-
Nice of you to remember me. sad Ah! Paul! The poster who saved me when Scoob dropped off the grid!

I just looked back through the matches. One match had your name at the top, but never got past a write-up from each side.

The other had Scoob's name at the top, but he was MIA so you jumped in the ring.

My bad on the foggy details. embarrasment Thanks, in retrospect. Looks like you never really got your fair shake that tourney.

Digi
My team stepped all over each other in that tourney. I also remember the battlefield essentially OHK'ing my team in a playoff match. Delph always enjoyed his exotic locales. And I used most of them to more of an advantage than our opponents (I wrecked **** up with some crazy...was it Gundam map? It was some mech-universe). But the playoff locale ruined us (Silent Hill?).

Anyway, we didn't deserve to win at all. I had 1-2 epic uses of battlefield, and my teammates managed to drag me through the rest. Wasn't our finest hour though. I remember you doing well though Smurph.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I honestly don't remember. Which? If it was my second tournament with Darkcrawler (where we had Jubilee + Synch) well, that was an off tournament for us. Essentially no one was understanding my points that we didn't need the enhancements that DC kept depending on (sub atomic explosions, at base + his math stuff), and everyone kept focusing on what they thought was a ridiculous notion of Synch's powers.

I concede I have been beaten before - everyone has. It's not like it's a knock to lose to you. It would be bad if I lost to someone like trick though.

Last time I checked, I still have the best record against Scoob - who has the best record overall, even with people like Digi dragging him down biscuits

Lol, Trick. I have very few regrets in tourneys, which have almost all been fun. But one of them is that I found a scan that I think would've won us that finals match about 2 weeks after our match with you and DC. The others were tactical errors that are mostly on me, so I can't complain. That's the only one where it felt like fate laughing in my face, especially because of how well I felt we were doing up to that point.

Not sure our plan would've worked in "today's KMC" though. Soul-sharing doppleganger power-stacking ftw. Somehow we brought the Uni-Power to the finals too. No clue how we justified that BS.

I'm too much of a control freak in tourneys to be a good partner though. Scoob and Leo have been more prolific than me, but when I partnered with them, they were just along for the ride a good deal of the time (and Newjak/Batdude, more briefly).

Originally posted by Blair Wind
While true, my first tournament had me pitted against the likes of Long Pig, Khellandros, Illadelph, and Scoobless. Even today, that's a formidable list.

No doubt.

...

Also, SORRY, I'll stop too now.

Ambient
Very interesting.

If this happens this coming month I've got some spare time..
Count me in for med herald and med meta's..

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Ambient
Very interesting.

If this happens this coming month I've got some spare time..
Count me in for med herald and med meta's..

This can happen when ever you want it to happen. That's the beauty about this battlezone. All you need is somebody to compete against. Once you have that you just battle for one of the tier belts. Simple as that.

Galan007
Originally posted by Digi
Lol, Trick. I have very few regrets in tourneys, which have almost all been fun. But one of them is that I found a scan that I think would've won us that finals match about 2 weeks after our match with you and DC. The others were tactical errors that are mostly on me, so I can't complain. That's the only one where it felt like fate laughing in my face, especially because of how well I felt we were doing up to that point.

Not sure our plan would've worked in "today's KMC" though. Soul-sharing doppleganger power-stacking ftw. Somehow we brought the Uni-Power to the finals too. No clue how we justified that BS.

I'm too much of a control freak in tourneys to be a good partner though. Scoob and Leo have been more prolific than me, but when I partnered with them, they were just along for the ride a good deal of the time (and Newjak/Batdude, more briefly). Not trying to spam up this thread, but the other day I went back and read through some of the older tourney matches. Funny stuff. I guess if you say something with enough confidence, people automatically assume you're right (BS or not.) Had a chuckle a few times. Even rereading tourneys as recent as the one I participated in (batdude/Khan's), several of the strategies from a lot of us were pretty damn thin... But no one questioned them at the time. It's funny to look back and see things that you could have done so much better, just by adding a few words or scans. Heh.

There are still many tactics that were very well thought out, though. While certainly not the only one, Goob's strategy with Super Adaptoid comes to mind.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Galan007
Not trying to spam up this thread, but the other day I went back and read through some of the older tourney matches. Funny stuff. I guess if you say something with enough confidence, people automatically assume you're right (BS or not.) Had a chuckle a few times. Even rereading tourneys as recent as the one I participated in (batdude/Khan's), several of the strategies from a lot of us were pretty damn thin... But no one questioned them at the time. It's funny to look back and see things that you could have done so much better, just by adding a few words or scans. Heh.

There are still many tactics that were very well thought out, though. While certainly not the only one, Goob's strategy with Super Adaptoid comes to mind.

Please don't spam this thread.


































































stick out tongue

Digi
Originally posted by Galan007
Not trying to spam up this thread, but the other day I went back and read through some of the older tourney matches. Funny stuff. I guess if you say something with enough confidence, people automatically assume you're right (BS or not.) Had a chuckle a few times. Even rereading tourneys as recent as the one I participated in (batdude/Khan's), several of the strategies from a lot of us were pretty damn thin... But no one questioned them at the time. It's funny to look back and see things that you could have done so much better, just by adding a few words or scans. Heh.

There are still many tactics that were very well thought out, though. While certainly not the only one, Goob's strategy with Super Adaptoid comes to mind.

Oh geez, that tourney.

But yeah, sometimes if you go WAAAYYY out there with a plan, only the most ridiculous elements get chucked, and some still-dubious strategies are left alone by the judges.

Ambient
Originally posted by Don Corleone
This can happen when ever you want it to happen. That's the beauty about this battlezone. All you need is somebody to compete against. Once you have that you just battle for one of the tier belts. Simple as that.
Oh Ok! Didnt read the whole thread.. lol

What tier is Darkness anyway?

Existere
Is Abhilegend still down to participate?

Quan better not get in the way with his bitching about some lost battlezone match.

abhilegend
^Yeah, I'm down. Don said that you would be the first to chose a character so I was waiting.

Existere
nuts

leonidas
l. o. l.

incidentally, wouldn't it be better to pm the pick in secret to avoid any possible....'coincedental' shenannigans'. you know, like if smurph picks superman and and ab picks captain kryponite because, you know, he was planning to choose him all along...?

Newjak
Originally posted by Galan007
Not trying to spam up this thread, but the other day I went back and read through some of the older tourney matches. Funny stuff. I guess if you say something with enough confidence, people automatically assume you're right (BS or not.) Had a chuckle a few times. Even rereading tourneys as recent as the one I participated in (batdude/Khan's), several of the strategies from a lot of us were pretty damn thin... But no one questioned them at the time. It's funny to look back and see things that you could have done so much better, just by adding a few words or scans. Heh.

There are still many tactics that were very well thought out, though. While certainly not the only one, Goob's strategy with Super Adaptoid comes to mind. You only have so many posts to debunk as much of other another person's crazy strategy and still try to keep your own ridiculousness of a plan from being debunked as well stick out tongue

Ambient
Final.. Lol

Mid herald: im in.. Guess I'll just wait for an opponent..

abhilegend
Originally posted by leonidas
l. o. l.

incidentally, wouldn't it be better to pm the pick in secret to avoid any possible....'coincedental' shenannigans'. you know, like if smurph picks superman and and ab picks captain kryponite because, you know, he was planning to choose him all along...?
Captain kryptonite....................

.........sounds awesome.
Originally posted by Existere
nuts
fastnuts

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Ambient
Final.. Lol

Mid herald: im in.. Guess I'll just wait for an opponent..

I think Quan is hungry. stick out tongue

Guy's , don't post your characters here. Pm me like Leo stated. Then 5 minutes before your match is to begin I'll make the battlezone thread and post the characters. Remember matches last 2 weeks, so it's not like you cant get ready for it.

Ambient
Alrighty then.. Ill pm u my pick soon as in done with work.. Lol

Digi
Here's a question. If someone wins a match at a certain level, do they have to defend their belt with the same character? I'm guessing no, but it would add an interesting level of strategy if the answer was yes.

Also, I know who I'm going to take the belt as in High Meta. It will be awesome. But I want to see this get off the ground and judge some matches before entering myself.

So what's our first match?

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Digi
Here's a question. If someone wins a match at a certain level, do they have to defend their belt with the same character? I'm guessing no, but it would add an interesting level of strategy if the answer was yes.

Also, I know who I'm going to take the belt as in High Meta. It will be awesome. But I want to see this get off the ground and judge some matches before entering myself.

So what's our first match?

I've asked myself that question over and over again my head. Way I see it is once you've picked your character you can't change it until you ( lose) any match. It work's out both ways. The ( champ) or winner will have already collected enough info on the character that it would make his title defense easier . The challenger's would already know who the character is so they can prepare for it.

This is what I would like, but I'm open to suggestions.

First match would be smurph vs. Ambient or albilegend . I have received no pm's from anybody with a character pick. So I suggest if you really like a character go ahead and pm me.

JakeTheBank
I like the idea of having to strategically pick a good character that could handle various threats; as the champ, it should be challenging to keep your title, but rewarding if you can do so even while being meta-gamed so to speak.

Existere
I keep going back and forth on character drafts because Mid Herald is a definitely tricky category.

In the tiers, Wally West is a mid herald, but I'm pretty sure that's definitely not where I would categorize him (for the sake of a tourney at least - the tiers thread took into account standing and stuff outside of sheer power levels, which is all that would really matter here...).

I'll try and make my final decision by tonight though.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I like the idea of having to strategically pick a good character that could handle various threats; as the champ, it should be challenging to keep your title, but rewarding if you can do so even while being meta-gamed so to speak.

I'll need you to keep track of this thread just in case I'm not around. So I need you to be familiar with what we're doing.

Originally posted by Existere
I keep going back and forth on character drafts because Mid Herald is a definitely tricky category.

In the tiers, Wally West is a mid herald, but I'm pretty sure that's definitely not where I would categorize him (for the sake of a tourney at least - the tiers thread took into account standing and stuff outside of sheer power levels, which is all that would really matter here...).

I'll try and make my final decision by tonight though.

New rule : Think it's rule 14.

All characters have to be approved not only by jake and I , but by all judges as well. Once the thread is up anybody that does not battle because of a character tier disagreement will be disqualified.

JakeTheBank
Okie dokie.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Okie dokie.

Remember they're not submitting write ups to us. It's open free posting when ever they have time no pressure. Just everyone be aware the match closes in 14 days. Anything not completed by then is on the person not the judges.

Don Corleone
Received first character selection . Will pm all parties by tonight for approval.

Digi
Originally posted by Existere
I keep going back and forth on character drafts because Mid Herald is a definitely tricky category.

In the tiers, Wally West is a mid herald, but I'm pretty sure that's definitely not where I would categorize him (for the sake of a tourney at least - the tiers thread took into account standing and stuff outside of sheer power levels, which is all that would really matter here...).

I'll try and make my final decision by tonight though.

The tiers thread is old and was never perfect. But yeah, Wally's probably >.

Don Corleone
Ok, so smurph has been ok'd a character for Mid Herald. Just waiting on someone to challenge him. Also , ( Id) has also separated a character for High Herald. So we need just 1 player for either of these tiers to have our first champion of KMC.

"Id"

Don Corleone

Don Corleone
Sorry it's abhilegend.

Digi
I get the feeling no one's going to want to pick the obvious people. It might be ultimately debilitating to one's chances, but I know for a fact that some people in tourneys have considered it a badge of honor that they picked...maybe not obscure characters, but at least not A-listers. It's hard to be truly obscure anymore, it was much easier early on when, for instance, no one had ever heard of Wildstorm characters. I could've said that the Engineer warps reality and no one could call me out on it. Simpler times.

Hell, I had a few choices for my team in the finals in the tourney I won, and ended up going with one of my picks because he made a better "theme" with the other two I had already selected.

I'm interested to see this take shape. If it takes off, I'll happily keep track of belt holders in the tourney thread.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Digi
I get the feeling no one's going to want to pick the obvious people. It might be ultimately debilitating to one's chances, but I know for a fact that some people in tourneys have considered it a badge of honor that they picked...maybe not obscure characters, but at least not A-listers. It's hard to be truly obscure anymore, it was much easier early on when, for instance, no one had ever heard of Wildstorm characters. I could've said that the Engineer warps reality and no one could call me out on it. Simpler times.

Hell, I had a few choices for my team in the finals in the tourney I won, and ended up going with one of my picks because he made a better "theme" with the other two I had already selected.

I'm interested to see this take shape. If it takes off, I'll happily keep track of belt holders in the tourney thread.

Thank you for supporting us Digi.


This image has nothing to do with the thread but I thought it would be cool.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN !

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/Rulesofthegame.jpg

abhilegend
So existere, when do we start?

Digi
So hey, another question, do the combatants know who the other picked once both are approved? It matters for the debate, because it's more time to prep for a specific opponent. Or will they not know until the battle is made?

For my own two cents, I think it should be announced. Otherwise, once we have a belt-holder, he's at a SEVERE disadvantage, because his opponent can create a writeup and strategy specifically to take him out, while the champion can't even speculate until the match opens.

Also, is there a post limit/time limit? There should be both, imo.

Existere
Originally posted by Digi
Otherwise, once we have a belt-holder, he's at a SEVERE disadvantage, because his opponent can create a writeup and strategy specifically to take him out, while the champion can't even speculate until the match opens.
I know for this match at least, there are going to be no prep or write-ups. The matches themselves last 14 days, so I think the only way that a belt holder gets screwed in the current set up is by being counter-picked.

I know there are a lot of belts, but if all goes well, some could become particularly popular to compete for. I think if there are multiple people vying for one belt, then they should compete and then battle the belt holder at the end, all while keeping the same character.

Anyways, I'm fine to start whenever Abhi. I've got a couple friends staying with me until the weekend, so I probably won't have time to post much until next week, but I don't mind starting soon and making up for lost time come next week.

I'm more curious about what you think we should choose for a battlefield. I think it should be somewhere exciting, set a tone for the first major KMC Belt Championship bout.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by Digi
So hey, another question, do the combatants know who the other picked once both are approved? It matters for the debate, because it's more time to prep for a specific opponent. Or will they not know until the battle is made?

For my own two cents, I think it should be announced. Otherwise, once we have a belt-holder, he's at a SEVERE disadvantage, because his opponent can create a writeup and strategy specifically to take him out, while the champion can't even speculate until the match opens.

Also, is there a post limit/time limit? There should be both, imo.

I'd like to think for the first bouts, it should be anonymous so both participants go in not knowing what to expect. After a champion has been crowned, since it would then be public knowledge who said champion is as well as the character they're representing, any title bout matches should reveal the challenger and character drafted as soon as said pick is agreed upon. That way the champion can prepare accordingly as they are essentially stuck defending the same character until they lose.

I also think the champion should get the option to pick the battlezone if they so choose, provided the judges/hosts agree upon it. Nothing game breaking, obviously.

I'd also like to think that once we have our first few champions, we can open up contender rankings with a Number 1 Contender, Number 2 Contender, and so on. The champion should also specifically choose to defend the title at any time if he/she wants to.

I'd also like to see a Tag Team division open up eventually as well.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Digi
So hey, another question, do the combatants know who the other picked once both are approved? It matters for the debate, because it's more time to prep for a specific opponent. Or will they not know until the battle is made?



This point could make or brake this battlezone. It's the only area I see as a weak link. For this battlezone they will not know until I make the thread. The matches last 14 days from the 1st thread open day.

I think once a champ has to defend his belt , he would be told of the challengers character once approved. Then it's up to the champ when he defends it.

Champs will auto carry belt for 1 month before having to defend it. Once challenged they have 2 weeks at most to prepare for the challenger.


Edit : As per jake's idea ( tag team titles) , I think this would be good to draw in newer debaters. Maybe 1 person is good with write up's while the other is good with scans. Together they make a lethal combo. Think this will draw a lot.

psycho gundam
to be honest, high herald will be lame AF as it'll just be a speed argument with little true risk involved, and of coarse the winner of any of those arguments will be whomever grabs flash, superman, etc first.

low-meta will be the one to compete in.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by psycho gundam
to be honest, high herald will be lame AF as it'll just be a speed argument with little true risk involved, and of coarse the winner of any of those arguments will be whomever grabs flash, superman, etc first.

low-meta will be the one to compete in.

I appreciate your concern, but I assure you that will not be the case at all. This battlezone is yet in it's infant stages. So I don't think it's fair to assume anything. Especially when there are 2 or more skilled debaters competing. Characters are always changing power set wise and characters can have limitations as you will see on our 1st match.

Edit : I have my sig guy already prepping for the trophy.

Digi
You seem to have my concerns covered, so gj.

I'm just trying to think if there's anyone who, de facto, should never lose in their own category. And it's hard to say. For example, Surfer is generally considered the class of HH, but there's other who can take him down, especially in the hands of a good debater. So it should work out ok.

Digi
Anyway, PM me when the match goes up. I like the picks and I'm excited to see Megatron and Paste Pot Pete go at it.

You thought I would reveal them?

happy

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Digi
Anyway, PM me when the match goes up. I like the picks and I'm excited to see Megatron and Paste Pot Pete go at it.

You thought I would reveal them?

happy

No need for a pm. I'm sure you'll be watching . shifty

abhilegend
Originally posted by Existere
I know for this match at least, there are going to be no prep or write-ups. The matches themselves last 14 days, so I think the only way that a belt holder gets screwed in the current set up is by being counter-picked.

I know there are a lot of belts, but if all goes well, some could become particularly popular to compete for. I think if there are multiple people vying for one belt, then they should compete and then battle the belt holder at the end, all while keeping the same character.

Anyways, I'm fine to start whenever Abhi. I've got a couple friends staying with me until the weekend, so I probably won't have time to post much until next week, but I don't mind starting soon and making up for lost time come next week.

I'm more curious about what you think we should choose for a battlefield. I think it should be somewhere exciting, set a tone for the first major KMC Belt Championship bout.
So, next week it is.

Don Corleone
Great we're all looking forward to this. You two will make KMC history , good luck to you both.

Also, ( Id) has made a challenge for the High Herald belt and has chosen a character. He awaits a challenger as per this moment he is 1# ranked HH in KMC.

Another thing guy's I'm ok with having multiple title belt battlezones at the same time. So don't feel as if you have to wait for matches to be over.

Galan007
Originally posted by Existere
I'm more curious about what you think we should choose for a battlefield. It should be a battlefield composed entirely of the denim from Wolverine's jeans, IMO.

Galan007
On another note: do we know the specific day this is set to begin? I only ask because I don't usually frequent this forum unless I have a reason to...

leonidas
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Great we're all looking forward to this. You two will make KMC history , good luck to you both.

Also, ( Id) has made a challenge for the High Herald belt and has chosen a character. He awaits a challenger as per this moment he is 1# ranked HH in KMC.

Another thing guy's I'm ok with having multiple title belt battlezones at the same time. So don't feel as if you have to wait for matches to be over.

can you choose someone from a category other than high herald to battle for the high herald belt? the boundaries are sort of amorphous so some overlap seems natural. and if i chose someone from the mid herald/low herald to go for the high herald, could that SAME character be used to defend a low/mid herald title match? for example--if i chose gladiator (not in a million years, but for the sake of discussion) and won, could he also be used in the mid herald? many think him low herald, so could he be used there as well? and what if i chose the same guy id chose? would we BOTH use that character? if you say know, that gives me the advantage of knowing who he has.....

just random thoughts. smile

Digi
Originally posted by leonidas
can you choose someone from a category other than high herald to battle for the high herald belt? the boundaries are sort of amorphous so some overlap seems natural. and if i chose someone from the mid herald/low herald to go for the high herald, could that SAME character be used to defend a low/mid herald title match? for example--if i chose gladiator (not in a million years, but for the sake of discussion) and won, could he also be used in the mid herald? many think him low herald, so could he be used there as well? and what if i chose the same guy id chose? would we BOTH use that character? if you say know, that gives me the advantage of knowing who he has.....

just random thoughts. smile

Don's been running the picks by judges, so if that continues, I suppose the answer is "yes" depending on those involved. It would be unlikely but possible.

Who thinks him low herald though? He seems a pretty uncontroversial mid, no?

Galan007
This is Don's rodeo, but I personally feel that characters should not be allowed in more than one tier. For instance, if the judges agree that Gladiator is a mid-herald character, then that is where he should stay.

I also believe that if both contestants choose the same character, they should be made to promptly redraft. I would want no part in judging a Surfer vs. Surfer thread, lol.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Galan007
On another note: do we know the specific day this is set to begin? I only ask because I don't usually frequent this forum unless I have a reason to...

I don't have a start date I'll pm you as soon as I do. But do your thing don't feel married to this if you're busy I'll get a reserve judge to take your place until you're back.

Originally posted by leonidas
can you choose someone from a category other than high herald to battle for the high herald belt? the boundaries are sort of amorphous so some overlap seems natural. and if i chose someone from the mid herald/low herald to go for the high herald, could that SAME character be used to defend a low/mid herald title match? for example--if i chose gladiator (not in a million years, but for the sake of discussion) and won, could he also be used in the mid herald? many think him low herald, so could he be used there as well? and what if i chose the same guy id chose? would we BOTH use that character? if you say know, that gives me the advantage of knowing who he has.....

just random thoughts. smile
I'll get back to you on that. Have to give it some thought.

leonidas
Originally posted by Galan007
This is Don's rodeo, but I personally feel that characters should not be allowed in more than one tier. For instance, if the judges agree that Gladiator is a mid-herald character, then that is where he should stay.

I also believe that if both contestants choose the same character, they should be made to promptly redraft. I would want no part in judging a Surfer vs. Surfer thread, lol.

could be, but that sorta limits the high herald class of characters because really, there are not very many of them that could be unequivocally placed in that category. just wondering.

and digi, i'd say glads fits low or mid herald. i'd certainly take MANY mid heralds over him in a battle and there are a few in the low herald tier that can beat him as well--firestorm, cassie nova, bizzarro, death metal just to name some. obviously the tier thread is not perfect and the character needs to be voted on. it seems like choosing someone from a lower tier SHOULD be allowed to compete for a belt that is above them, is all i'm saying.

Galan007
Originally posted by Don Corleone
I don't have a start date I'll pm you as soon as I do. But do your thing don't feel married to this if you're busy I'll get a reserve judge to take your place until you're back. I am still available to judge, I was just curious when I need to start checking this forum for the match. No worries. smile

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Galan007
I am still available to judge, I was just curious when I need to start checking this forum for the match. No worries. smile

Just check your pm's. stick out tongue

Ok Leo, I gave it some thought and I think it's ok to choose a character in a lower weight class to battle for a higher belt . But be warned that you would have to defend that belt you just won.

Example : I am challenging for the KMC HH title. The champ is Digi with Superman and I come with Cap. Mar-Vell ( he's been ok'd by judges). If I win , I would have to defend the KMC HHtitle with Cap. Mar-Vell. So , it's a double edged sword IMO, but yes it's allowed.

Don Corleone
Still no word from anybody wanting a match in the immediate future.

leonidas
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Just check your pm's. stick out tongue

Ok Leo, I gave it some thought and I think it's ok to choose a character in a lower weight class to battle for a higher belt . But be warned that you would have to defend that belt you just won.

Example : I am challenging for the KMC HH title. The champ is Digi with Superman and I come with Cap. Mar-Vell ( he's been ok'd by judges). If I win , I would have to defend the KMC HHtitle with Cap. Mar-Vell. So , it's a double edged sword IMO, but yes it's allowed.

cool. smile so how much lower can you go? if i had what i thought was a clever pick (i don't, but for arguments sake, say i did...) could i choose a meta character to combat a high herald? so long as i know i'll have to defend said character?

Starscream M
there should be no lower limit...only an upper limit imo

if one thinks they can use spiderman to beat thor, they should be allowed to do so

Digi
Originally posted by leonidas
cool. smile so how much lower can you go? if i had what i thought was a clever pick (i don't, but for arguments sake, say i did...) could i choose a meta character to combat a high herald? so long as i know i'll have to defend said character?

...would be a short defense though, presumably. A major deterrent of picking a character solely to counter another will be that you will probably get waxed in your first defense. It's a decent "check and balance" imo.

Starscream M
Originally posted by Digi
...would be a short defense though, presumably. thats up to the picker to decide

Digi
Originally posted by Starscream M
thats up to the picker to decide

My point is, if Superman is the champion of HH, and I pick a High Meta that exploits one of his weaknesses, there's going to be dozens of Mid-to-high heralds that will destroy me once I beat Superman. As long as my next opponent isn't an idiot, I'm only holding the belt for a short time. And if this retains any popularity (still pending) there will be people lining up for the easy win.

So there's a price to pay for playing matchups.

srankmissingnin
I'd be down for any of the street level tiers, and which tier Wolverine falls under..

Don Corleone
Originally posted by leonidas
cool. smile so how much lower can you go? if i had what i thought was a clever pick (i don't, but for arguments sake, say i did...) could i choose a meta character to combat a high herald? so long as i know i'll have to defend said character?

You can go as low as you want but never higher.



Originally posted by Starscream M
there should be no lower limit...only an upper limit imo

if one thinks they can use spiderman to beat thor, they should be allowed to do so

You got it ! Good Luck !

Originally posted by Digi
...would be a short defense though, presumably. A major deterrent of picking a character solely to counter another will be that you will probably get waxed in your first defense. It's a decent "check and balance" imo.

I thought I was the only one that get's it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thats up to the picker to decide

And it will be so.

Originally posted by Digi
My point is, if Superman is the champion of HH, and I pick a High Meta that exploits one of his weaknesses, there's going to be dozens of Mid-to-high heralds that will destroy me once I beat Superman. As long as my next opponent isn't an idiot, I'm only holding the belt for a short time. And if this retains any popularity (still pending) there will be people lining up for the easy win.

So there's a price to pay for playing matchups.

This .

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd be down for any of the street level tiers, and which tier Wolverine falls under..

Next time try and pm the character so no one can prep for you. But noted ( Wolverine ) now belongs to you. We await a challenger for street as of right now you're 1# ranked street in KMC.

Edit : Wolverine = HS , but someone can come as low as Robin.

srankmissingnin
My bad, I didn't think Wolverine was classified as a street in the KMC tier guide, so I was willing to do a BG for the Street Tiers and what ever Mid Tier Wolverine was under.

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