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The Mutant Gods easily beat TAO/Max. They simply showed more.

Franklin blinks them out of existence.

I'm assuming Legion is using the legion persona. Either of the Mutants takes this IMO but Max and Tao w/ uber powers are no joke.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I'm assuming Legion is using the legion persona. Either of the Mutants takes this IMO but Max and Tao w/ uber powers are no joke.

I'm using Max at the height of his power.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Franklin blinks them out of existence.

Lawl. Have you read anything of the other two?

It's Glorificus, of course not.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm using Max at the height of his power. so Faraday before Tao screwed him.... oh...well then.

Isn't Faraday an omniverse buster?

TAO from the end of the Wildstorm U is enough.

Originally posted by JabberWaki
Isn't Faraday an omniverse buster?

Yeah, potentially. Although it's heavily implied too.

Need to know what version of Tao is this, to judge.

Its got to be Void TAO.

Originally posted by JabberWaki
Isn't Faraday an omniverse buster? Like operator mentioned: Max was a touted omniversal power, but he never actually destroyed the omniverse-proper, no.

Anyway, I have a really hard time imagining the Mutants beating a guy who literally(not figuratively) possessed the power of God.

TAO wins.

Golgo's anti-Marvel spite thread fails.

KMC carries on as usual.

Originally posted by Epicurus
TAO wins.

Are you thinking of the massively amped Tao in World's End?

^Pretty sure that is the version of TAO the OP had in mind when making this thread. This is a golgo thread after all.

Figuring out his agenda is as simple as adding 2 and 2 together.

Originally posted by Epicurus
^Pretty sure that is the version of TAO the OP had in mind when making this thread. This is a golgo thread after all.

Figuring out his agenda is as simple as adding 2 and 2 together.
Except sometimes, its more like adding 2 and 2 together, but one of the 2s is actually 4000.

Originally posted by operator616
Are you thinking of the massively amped Tao in World's End?

I didnt think he was anymore powetful than a serious Franklin or Parallax.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I didnt think he was anymore powetful than a serious Franklin or Parallax.

Tao already had the creation equation (Max's power) which would put him above either of those. Although, they treated Max like shit in Wildcats.

Same thing goes to Void too; where she said she was unable to re-create Earth; despite the fact that she rebooted the whole freaking Wildstorm multiverse instantly in Captain Atom: Armageddon not too long ago (this is important, since Void didn't start at that level initially). And an issue of Planetary which came out late confirmed that there were millions of realities; hell, Authority: The Lost Year stated that there were still infinite universes inside the Wildstorm multiverse. Although she did justify that by saying she tapped into CA's power, but it's not like that would have been that large of an amp.

Originally posted by operator616
Tao already had the creation equation (Max's power) which would put him above either of those. Although, they treated Max like shit in Wildcats.

Same thing goes to Void too; where she said she was unable to re-create Earth; despite the fact that she rebooted the whole freaking Wildstorm multiverse instantly in Captain Atom: Armageddon not too long ago (this is important, since Void didn't start at that level initially). And an issue of Planetary which came out late confirmed that there were millions of realities; hell, Authority: The Lost Year stated that there were still infinite universes inside the Wildstorm multiverse. Although she did justify that by saying she tapped into CA's power, but it's not like that would have been that large of an amp.

So in terms of power WS Max = image max?

Originally posted by Golgo13
So in terms of power WS Max = image max?

Based on statements: Yes. Based on showings: No. In issue #13, they had a quick retelling of the events happening in Divine Right (WS/Image Max):

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"almost wrecked all reality"

Meaning they acknowledged its tremendous power as it had been portrayed originally; but for some reason, based on actual showings in Wildcats (WS/DC), Max was pretty weak.

Originally posted by operator616
Based on statements: Yes. Based on showings: No. In issue #13, they had a quick retelling of the events happening in Divine Right (WS/Image Max):

http://i.imgur.com/qIf3AUl.jpg

"almost wrecked all reality"

Meaning they acknowledged its tremendous power as it had been portrayed originally; but for some reason, based on actual showings in Wildcats (WS/DC), Max was pretty weak.

So, based on feats, TAO>>Franklin?

Originally posted by Golgo13
So, based on feats, TAO>>Franklin?

Yeah. More specifically, based on previous feats for the creation equation.

Originally posted by operator616
Yeah. More specifically, based on previous feats for the creation equation.

Feats for the creation equation? Or is it mainly just statements?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Feats for the creation equation? Or is it mainly just statements?

Creation Equation = Max's power.

Possessing the creation equation is as powerful as one can get in the Wildstorm multiverse.

In issue #7, Lynch confirmed that the omniverse will collapse under Max's power:

http://i.imgur.com/hML2fQw.jpg

And the DI gen13, implies it too:

http://i.imgur.com/3wjIttB.jpg?1

We know it's not a hyperbole since it was also confirmed that there were already tears in the basic structure of reality.

Also, im pretty sure that around issue #7, Max wasn't at his full potential. So yeah...

On top of that, we see a future where Max destroyed the universe:

http://i.imgur.com/6eBw4QJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5EZJGzz.jpg

And in the end, he casually, with a wave of his hand, created thousands of alternate earths, and claimed could create many more:

http://i.imgur.com/fGZmbW5.jpg

He also closed off the space-time continuum, which could be argued that he closed off the entire omniverse (but some people may disagree since it wasn't specifically mentioned to be the omniverse).

Also, just a thought:

Jenny Fractal was merging every single alternate reality in the WS multiverse (which im pretty sure consisted of thousands, millions or even infinite, if you consider the next volume of The Authority, universes) at the end of The Authority v2.

Jenny Quantum is her equal and has done ridiculous things such as flipping reality, replacing the Wildstorm reality with a comic book reality when she was around 5 years old iirc; absorbing the baby universe which is capable of over-writing the mainstream Wildstorm reality; and creating a pocket dimension.

...Yet we know that even they are below the creation equation, since it's the most powerful thing in the WS universe.

Just some insight regarding creation equation's standing in WS.


Franklin was implied to have omniversal potential more than once, but we know it's not his average, it's his utmost potential; conversely, Max was confirmed to have been omniversal not even at full-potential.

Legion was never stated to be omniversal, neither is he a multiversal power even; he's a casual universal power.

That's why both of them are below Max. Together though, i dunno, they may get a win. Assuming you allow Legion to merge all his personalities together and have complete control over them (which most of the time he doesn't), and have Franklin at his peak.

Originally posted by operator616
Creation Equation = Max's power.

Possessing the creation equation is as powerful as one can get in the Wildstorm multiverse.

In issue #7, Lynch confirmed that the omniverse will collapse under Max's power:

http://i.imgur.com/hML2fQw.jpg

And the DI gen13, implies it too:

http://i.imgur.com/3wjIttB.jpg?1

We know it's not a hyperbole since it was also confirmed that there were already tears in the basic structure of reality.

Also, im pretty sure that around issue #7, Max wasn't at his full potential. So yeah...

On top of that, we see a future where Max destroyed the universe:

http://i.imgur.com/6eBw4QJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5EZJGzz.jpg

And in the end, he casually, with a wave of his hand, created thousands of alternate earths, and claimed could create many more:

http://i.imgur.com/fGZmbW5.jpg

He also closed off the space-time continuum, which could be argued that he closed off the entire omniverse (but some people may disagree since it wasn't specifically mentioned to be the omniverse).

Also, just a thought:

Jenny Fractal was merging every single alternate reality in the WS multiverse (which im pretty sure consisted of thousands, millions or even infinite, if you consider the next volume of The Authority, universes) at the end of The Authority v2.

Jenny Quantum is her equal and has done ridiculous things such as flipping reality, replacing the Wildstorm reality with a comic book reality when she was around 5 years old iirc; absorbing the baby universe which is capable of over-writing the mainstream Wildstorm reality; and creating a pocket dimension.

...Yet we know that even they are below the creation equation, since it's the most powerful thing in the WS universe.

Just some insight regarding creation equation's standing in WS.


Franklin was implied to have omniversal potential more than once, but we know it's not his average, it's his utmost potential; conversely, Max was confirmed to have been omniversal not even at full-potential.

Legion was never stated to be omniversal, neither is he a multiversal power even; he's a casual universal power.

That's why both of them are below Max. Together though, i dunno, they may get a win. Assuming you allow Legion to merge all his personalities together and have complete control over them (which most of the time he doesn't), and have Franklin at his peak.

Cool thanks. Is this still in WS's continuity, Pre-Flashpoint?

Yes.

Originally posted by operator616
Yes.

Would you say HOTU is comparable to Creation Equation?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Would you say HOTU is comparable to Creation Equation?

I don't think so. Because, while CE is > multiversal powers; so is LT, and we know that LT is way below HOTU.

Basically, because the WS universe doesn't have anyone equivalent to LT for the CE to be compared to, you can't really say that CE is comparable to HOTU. Imo.