KuRuPT Thanosi
This was at the 2004 Mudials Absolute Finals. here are the key issues...
First, Jacare was up on points before the armbar
Second, Roger locked in a armbar and dislocated and tore ligaments on Jacare. As you can see he was unable to use or raise in the arm.
Third, Jacare then proceeds to run away and sometimes out of bounds for the final 2 minutes.
So here are the issues and two sides.. which do you fall under
Jacare's:
It was his choice to not tap and let his elbow get broken. He was winning that fight up till that point. He's a black belt in JJ and he earned the right not to tap. As far as the running... he stretched the rules with his running but the ref never warned him so he can't be blamed for the ref's failure.
Roger's
The goal of these events is to put your opponent in a position where he can't continue (break something or choke somebody out). People have a choice to tap before those things happen, but a tap isn't the goal of these events. It's to win my rendering your opponent defeated an unable to fight. Roger DID that. The ref made numerous mistakes that robbed Roger.. First, once it was locked in.. many fights are stopped by the ref whether there is a tap or not. It clearly was locked in as he destroyed his elbow for months. Second ref mistake was not calling the doctor over when his arm was clearly hurt.. who then would've stopped the fight. Third mistake was not DQing Jacare for breaking two rules.. first evading and running and the third not engaging. You seem Jacare do this multiple times and never received one warning.
So the question is and this has been debated by countless BJJ fans and players... Who actually won that fight.. Roger or Jacare... Here is the video decide for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYwlxHjkMA
First, Jacare was up on points before the armbar
Second, Roger locked in a armbar and dislocated and tore ligaments on Jacare. As you can see he was unable to use or raise in the arm.
Third, Jacare then proceeds to run away and sometimes out of bounds for the final 2 minutes.
So here are the issues and two sides.. which do you fall under
Jacare's:
It was his choice to not tap and let his elbow get broken. He was winning that fight up till that point. He's a black belt in JJ and he earned the right not to tap. As far as the running... he stretched the rules with his running but the ref never warned him so he can't be blamed for the ref's failure.
Roger's
The goal of these events is to put your opponent in a position where he can't continue (break something or choke somebody out). People have a choice to tap before those things happen, but a tap isn't the goal of these events. It's to win my rendering your opponent defeated an unable to fight. Roger DID that. The ref made numerous mistakes that robbed Roger.. First, once it was locked in.. many fights are stopped by the ref whether there is a tap or not. It clearly was locked in as he destroyed his elbow for months. Second ref mistake was not calling the doctor over when his arm was clearly hurt.. who then would've stopped the fight. Third mistake was not DQing Jacare for breaking two rules.. first evading and running and the third not engaging. You seem Jacare do this multiple times and never received one warning.
So the question is and this has been debated by countless BJJ fans and players... Who actually won that fight.. Roger or Jacare... Here is the video decide for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYwlxHjkMA