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Strange infuses himself with the power of Zom (like he did against WWHulk) and heads off to the Chaos Dimension, as Shuma-Gorath has been taunting him with his impending arrival on Earth.

This time, Strange will not worry about being consumed by Zom's evil and will go all out in trying to defeat Shuma. Can he take out Shuma in his realm?

Rules: Zom-Strange cannot merge with Shuma for a victory. Battle is won by one destroying the other.

lol

Shuma pwns.

Shuma

Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
This time, Strange will not worry about being consumed by Zom's evil and will go all out in trying to defeat Shuma. Can he take out Shuma in his realm?

If this is Doc with total access and control of Zom's powers, he stomps.
No manifestation of Shuma had this kind of impact:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2530/strangetalesv1158p15.th.jpg

LT had to step in and end the Zom threat. Eternity and Dormammu had to team up just to imprison him.
This means a lot of implied power.

Originally posted by Sundipped
If this is Doc with total access and control of Zom's powers, he stomps.
No manifestation of Shuma had this kind of impact:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2530/strangetalesv1158p15.th.jpg

LT had to step in and end the Zom threat. Eternity and Dormammu had to team up just to imprison him.
This means a lot of implied power.

It's actually more than that. Little do people know, but when Umar was first introduced she was said to be on the level of Dormammu in power. I can post the scans but I'm not on my main PC now. Anyway, it was this very Umar (with the Flames of Regency and all) that ran for her life from a shackled Zom (he was "melting" all her spells). She fled and sealed the gate she entered from the Dark Dimension behind her. She also hinted of a legend involving Zom and what would happen if he ever broke free from his shackles. She stated that his power "dwarfed hers".

Having said that, there is no more Zom. Every appearance after the LT incinerated him isn't the full Zom but the Zomling. The Zomling can reform into a full Zom but only after it's devoured enough mystic energy to make that happen. I just wanted to put that out there because I get annoyed when people call it Zom/Strange. It's really ZOMLING/Strange. But ZOMLING/Strange was no joke. He owned a room of Meta humans and resurrected himself from the dead!

ZOMLING/Strange for sure can take some wins. But I'd give the majority to Gorath simply because Strange always fights the Zomling's influence and screws himself over.

Shuma stomps

Zomstrange was weak

That's classic Strange. Power levels has changed then and now. Current Shuma wins.Originally posted by Sundipped
If this is Doc with total access and control of Zom's powers, he stomps.
No manifestation of Shuma had this kind of impact:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2530/strangetalesv1158p15.th.jpg

LT had to step in and end the Zom threat. Eternity and Dormammu had to team up just to imprison him.
This means a lot of implied power.

Originally posted by lilshogun
That's classic Strange. Power levels has changed then and now. Current Shuma wins.

WTF has "current" Gorath done? "Current" Gorath has an equilibrium weakeness (as stated on panel)!

I guess its just easier to type Zom Strange idunno.

Originally posted by zopzop
ZOMLING/Strange for sure can take some wins. But I'd give the majority to Gorath simply because Strange always fights the Zomling's influence and screws himself over.

Did you catch this?

Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
This time, Strange will not worry about being consumed by Zom's evil and will go all out in trying to defeat Shuma. Can he take out Shuma in his realm?

Only question is would this mean total access to Zoms power or an incomplete (zomling) manifestation? Either way with these stips I think it would be enough for a solid majority.

Originally posted by lilshogun
That's classic Strange. Power levels has changed then and now. Current Shuma wins.

Doesn't matter. This is Doc (you can use classic or current) with Zom's power.

Originally posted by Sundipped
If this is Doc with total access and control of Zom's powers, he stomps.
No manifestation of Shuma had this kind of impact:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2530/strangetalesv1158p15.th.jpg

LT had to step in and end the Zom threat. Eternity and Dormammu had to team up just to imprison him.
This means a lot of implied power.

Dormammu was able to put the Chains of Living Bondage on Zom on his own before Eternity sealed him in the amphora, and it's never even said that Zom and Eternity actually battled. Zom was having a hell of a time just trying to beat an inexperienced Strange with A0's power given to him. LT wanted Zom destroyed because of the mystical imbalance, which has nothing to do with Zom being anywhere close to a threat as far as actual power is concerned.

Shuma > Zom and especially Strange with a Zomling inside of him.

SG

Originally posted by Nihilist
Shuma stomps

Zomstrange was weak Hehe.

Very true.

Or as the skateboarders like to say in here, ZomStrange was "Weaksauce".

Originally posted by CortSether
Dormammu was able to put the Chains of Living Bondage on Zom on his own before Eternity sealed him in the amphora, and it's never even said that Zom and Eternity actually battled. Zom was having a hell of a time just trying to beat an inexperienced Strange with A0's power given to him. LT wanted Zom destroyed because of the mystical imbalance, which has nothing to do with Zom being anywhere close to a threat as far as actual power is concerned.

Shuma > Zom and especially Strange with a Zomling inside of him.

First of all Doramammu used a plot device to chain him off panel. Note: I can set a trap and imprison a bear but this doesn't mean I'm more powerful than the bear. Dormammu is no where near Zom powerwise considering Umar was terrified of him in her own dimension. The only hope Eternity had was bfr.

At Zom struggling. He toyed with a amped Strange. He inadvertently summoned LT by cutting Zoms hair which saved his ass.

I guess you missed this too:

Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
Strange infuses himself with the power of Zom (like he did against WWHulk) and heads off to the Chaos Dimension, as Shuma-Gorath has been taunting him with his impending arrival on Earth.

This time, Strange will not worry about being consumed by Zom's evil and will go all out in trying to defeat Shuma. Can he take out Shuma in his realm?


As you can see Zomling/Strange travels to the Chaos dimension and
is going all out. Under these conditions, what's stopping Doc from absorbing enough mystical energy to destroy Shuma? The Zomling's power grows due to the amount of energy absorbed. The Chaos dimension would be like a all you can eat buffet for Doc.

Originally posted by Sundipped
First of all Doramammu used a plot device to chain him off panel. Note: I can set a trap and imprison a bear but this doesn't mean I'm more powerful than the bear. Dormammu is no where near Zom powerwise considering Umar was terrified of him in her own dimension. The only hope Eternity had was bfr.


Whoop de doo. Fact is you're overrating Zom by trying to make it seem as if LT wanted Zom gone because of his level of power, when Zom was a nuisance because he created a mystical unbalance by existing in a reality where there was already a Sorcerer Supreme.

And lol at the "the only hope Eternity had was bfr" statement. Dormmamu bound Zom on his own before Eternity imprisoned him in the amphora. Eternity could have just popped up and locked Zom inside the amphora with a mere gesture for all we know.




Hah. Strange was stalemating Zom even before the Ancient One gave him his power, and he was then able to embarrass him and pull out his forelock that prevented him from detection. Zom couldn't even catch Strange until he let down his guard thinking that he had already won after pulling away the forelock. And we're expected to believe that Zom could have taken on Eternity?




Shuma-Gorath.



What magical energy would Zom/Strange even absorb? In case you're forgetting, Shuma can absorb mystical energy like its candy.

Psh, Zom's full manifestation would get owned by Shuma-Gorath.

Originally posted by CortSether
Whoop de doo. Fact is you're overrating Zom by trying to make it seem as if LT wanted Zom gone because of his level of power, when Zom was a nuisance because he created a mystical unbalance by existing in a reality where there was already a Sorcerer Supreme.

And lol at the "the only hope Eternity had was bfr" statement. Dormmamu bound Zom on his own before Eternity imprisoned him in the amphora. Eternity could have just popped up and locked Zom inside the amphora with a mere gesture for all we know.




Hah. Strange was stalemating Zom even before the Ancient One gave him his power, and he was then able to embarrass him and pull out his forelock that prevented him from detection. Zom couldn't even catch Strange until he let down his guard thinking that he had already won after pulling away the forelock. And we're expected to believe that Zom could have taken on Eternity?




Shuma-Gorath.



What magical energy would Zom/Strange even absorb? In case you're forgetting, Shuma can absorb mystical energy like its candy.

Psh, Zom's full manifestation would get owned by Shuma-Gorath.

Everything that you just said is bulls**t.

Originally posted by CortSether
Whoop de doo. Fact is you're overrating Zom by trying to make it seem as if LT wanted Zom gone because of his level of power, when Zom was a nuisance because he created a mystical unbalance by existing in a reality where there was already a Sorcerer Supreme.

Zoms release upset a balance felt across MILLIONS OF GALAXIES as explained by LT, & put them all in danger. Never (to my knowledge) has any mystical being had this kind of influence. Needless to say that for him to even be part of an intricate plan such as this speaks volumes about his power.

Originally posted by CortSether
And lol at the "the only hope Eternity had was bfr" statement. Dormmamu bound Zom on his own before Eternity imprisoned him in the amphora. Eternity could have just popped up and locked Zom inside the amphora with a mere gesture for all we know.

Once again Dormy used a plot device. Even bound Zom displayed great power. Highly unlikely it took only a gesture for Eternity. That would have been noted somewhere in the comic. Most importantly it let's you know Eternity was incapable of destroying Zom flat out. He had to resort to a bfr tactic. Why couldn't he just crush him between two planets like he did Dormy if Zom is such a weakling?

Originally posted by CortSether
Hah. Strange was stalemating Zom even before the Ancient One gave him his power, and he was then able to embarrass him and pull out his forelock that prevented him from detection. Zom couldn't even catch Strange until he let down his guard thinking that he had already won after pulling away the forelock. And we're expected to believe that Zom could have taken on Eternity?

Stalemate?
Please post these scans. Last time I checked Doc was getting his spells vaporized by Zom. While Zom was still bound.


http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4604/umarowned.th.jpg

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You're really trying to pass off Doc as being formidable vs. Zom which is hilarious. Doc (amp and all) could'nt do jack shit but evade Zom briefly. As for Eternity, see above.

Originally posted by CortSether
Shuma-Gorath.

Kneels on all tentacles before Zom/Strange.

Originally posted by CortSether
What magical energy would Zom/Strange even absorb? In case you're forgetting, Shuma can absorb mystical energy like its candy. Psh, Zom's full manifestation would get owned by Shuma-Gorath.

Read the op. He's in the Chaos dimension. A dimension base Strange had no problems absorbing energy from. Now in this thread he's fused with an entity who wants nothing but to feed. Shuma can absorb energy but failed to keep Doc from wtf stomping him in his own dimension, WITH SHUMAS OWN CHAOS ENERGY. Zom at max capacity would waste Shuma. Don't be delusional.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Stalemate?
Please post these scans. Last time I checked Doc was getting his spells vaporized by Zom. While Zom was still bound.


http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4604/umarowned.th.jpg


Did you happen to catch the prophecy in that scan? Nice foreshadowing as to why the LT had to step in and end Zom fast.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did you happen to catch the prophecy in that scan? Nice foreshadowing as to why the LT had to step in and end Zom fast.

A prophecy which spans over endless dimensions like Doc said.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Zoms release upset a balance felt across MILLIONS OF GALAXIES as explained by LT, & put them all in danger. Never (to my knowledge) has any mystical being had this kind of influence. Needless to say that for him to even be part of an intricate plan such as this speaks volumes about his power.


Yet Zom got owned by Dormammu and sealed in a vase. Then in his only real appearance he can't even handle an inexperienced Doc Strange with the Ancient One's power (hell Strange was doing fine even before receiving AO's power) until Strange let his guard down.

Meanwhile, the Ancient One had already considered committing suicide just to prevent Shuma's arrival, and later got forcefully mindraped by Shuma, culminating in a battle between Shuma and Strange that had Strange getting utterly embarrassed and toyed with until he killed the Ancient One's ego to seal Shuma's gateway into Earth.

Heck, the AO-empowered Strange wouldn't even be able to make it to Shuma's agent Arioch's realm without dying, yet that version of Strange was holding his own against Zom.



Actually, it most likely took a mere gesture from Eternity to seal Zom away. Dormammu put Zom in chains before Eternity imprisoned Zom. Coupled with the fact that it's never ever stated that Zom and Eternity even battled, that makes it more obvious that Zom's power was infinitesimal in comparison to Eternity. If Zom was powerful enough that Eternity had to fight him to put him down, that would have been noted in the comic. But it wasn't.

Dormammu himself > Zom.



Who knows, why didn't the Living Tribunal destroy Zom entirely instead of just banishing him?



The fact that Strange he was able to evade all of Zom's attacks and even rip off his mystic forelock without getting harmed says to me that Zom is nowhere near the power you're trying to give him credit for having.



Hah, no. Shuma-Gorath has done far more than Zom. Shuma's also never been stalemated by a young and inexperienced Doctor Strange lol.



First off, the Zomling's power alone more than likely wouldn't even enable Strange to make it to Shuma's dimension, let alone battle him.

Secondly, even if he did make it to Shuma's realm there's not a chance he'd be able to defeat Shuma. For one, it's against OP rules for Zom/Strange to merge with Shuma. Even if it was allowed, he wouldn't be able to do it as Shuma-Gorath.

Funny that you mention Shuma's defeat by Strange as if it was some casual thing that Strange could do in any situation. Strange needed enormous amounts of prep, including merging with various black magic, also including energy from an Old One, as well as Arioch himself. Also, Shuma-Gorath was the one who forced Strange's merging in the first place. It's even shown on panel as Shuma-Gorath hits Strange and grasps him by the leg, notifying him of the change. Before Strange had Shuma's energy in him he hadn't even been able to hurt the chaos lord. And that's after all his prep time and various mergings (which put him on a level far superior to that of Strange and a zomling, btw). Zom/Strange would get torn apart.

Zom himself would fare no better.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did you happen to catch the prophecy in that scan? Nice foreshadowing as to why the LT had to step in and end Zom fast.

It's funny seeing you support that highly hyperbolic prophecy as one who calls everything about Shuma-Gorath mere hyperbole.

Originally posted by CortSether
It's funny seeing you support that highly hyperbolic prophecy as one who calls everything about Shuma-Gorath mere hyperbole.

If that's all it was, you'd have a point. But the fact that the LT himself had to appear and put an end to Zom says that there was some truth behind that prophecy.

Keeping in mind he's NEVER interfered like that regarding any other Demon (Set, Chthon, Dormammu, Mephisto, Satannish, Gorath, etc...) ,even when they had a foothold in 616 reality, speaks volumes.

Originally posted by zopzop
If that's all it was, you'd have a point. But the fact that the LT himself had to appear and put an end to Zom says that there was some truth behind that prophecy.

Keeping in mind he's NEVER interfered like that regarding any other Demon (Set, Chthon, Dormammu, Mephisto, Satannish, Gorath, etc...) ,even when they had a foothold in 616 reality, speaks volumes.

The issue was that Zom wasn't included in the originally planned balance of magical energy in the universe. Other entities of great power, Dormammu for example, threatened the entire Marvel Universe more than once, yet LT never interfered. LT was just concerned with maintaining equilibrium between the magical energies. Zom's existence tipped the scale in the balance of evil energy, which could have bad implications for the universe if he were allowed to exist, but it wasn't so much Zom's power itself being so great that he'd destroy everyone that was the problem. Dormammu was able to shackle him alone for gosh sake.

Originally posted by CortSether
The issue was that Zom wasn't included in the originally planned balance of magical energy in the universe. Other entities of great power, Dormammu for example, threatened the entire Marvel Universe more than once, yet LT never interfered. LT was just concerned with maintaining equilibrium between the magical energies. Zom's existence tipped the scale in the balance of evil energy, which could have bad implications for the universe if he were allowed to exist, but it wasn't so much Zom's power itself being so great that he'd destroy everyone that was the problem. Dormammu was able to shackle him alone for gosh sake.

Again, the prophecy Umar spoke of that was known in "countless dimensions" seemed to back up the fact that the LT's intervention was needed before Zom broke free of his shackles to wreck havoc on the universe.

That's why the AO ,before he merged with that stone, whispered "The Forelock" to Dr. Strange. By severing it, it made the LT aware of Zom's presence and he was put down before he broke free from his shackles.

Dormammu shackled him under unknown circumstances. Even shackled Eternity (who at that time was said to be the most powerful mystic being in the universe) deemed Zom enough of a threat to imprison him in a dimension beyond all time and space.

Another thing that's odd, notice what AO says in this scan :
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8889/theamphora.th.jpg
"No force on Earth can prevail against Umar, since she possesses the supreme mystic power of the Dread Dormammu".
Yet Zom owned Umar with ease.

No beings of any universal significance ever bothered with Gorath.

Maybe LT, Eternity, etc, all got involved at one time or another, just because they think Zom is a big a$$.

In case you were wondering, I didn't miss your last delusional response Cort.

Originally posted by CortSether
Yet Zom got owned by Dormammu and sealed in a vase. Then in his only real appearance he can't even handle an inexperienced Doc Strange with the Ancient One's power (hell Strange was doing fine even before receiving AO's power) until Strange let his guard down.

Meanwhile, the Ancient One had already considered committing suicide just to prevent Shuma's arrival, and later got forcefully mindraped by Shuma, culminating in a battle between Shuma and Strange that had Strange getting utterly embarrassed and toyed with until he killed the Ancient One's ego to seal Shuma's gateway into Earth.

Heck, the AO-empowered Strange wouldn't even be able to make it to Shuma's agent Arioch's realm without dying, yet that version of Strange was holding his own against Zom.

I have to ask you the same question you asked GS. Where'd you get your crack from? Nothing alludes to Dormammu so called owning Zom. Your interpretation that Doc held his own with Zom let's everyone know your assessment of comics can't be trusted.

Doc embarrassed?
Shuma while leeching off of AOs power only stopped a invisibility spell and failed to stop Doc from destroying AO's ego right in front of him.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9554/shumagorathvsstrangef2.th.jpg http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3065/shumagorathvsstrangef21.th.jpg http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3479/shumagorathvsstrangef22.th.jpg http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5268/shumagorathvsstrangef23.th.jpg

Originally posted by CortSether
Actually, it most likely took a mere gesture from Eternity to seal Zom away. Dormammu put Zom in chains before Eternity imprisoned Zom. Coupled with the fact that it's never ever stated that Zom and Eternity even battled, that makes it more obvious that Zom's power was infinitesimal in comparison to Eternity. If Zom was powerful enough that Eternity had to fight him to put him down, that would have been noted in the comic. But it wasn't. Dormammu himself > Zom.

You're missing the whole point. Which is the fact that Zom could only be bfr'ed (not destroyed) even with the chains on. An entity such as Eternity shouldn't have any problem erasing a bound Zom from existence right? And how'd you come to the conclusion Doramammu is superior after seeing how petrified Umar was?

Originally posted by CortSether
Who knows, why didn't the Living Tribunal destroy Zom entirely instead of just banishing him?

Comming from LT, banishment was good enough. Zom hasn't been seen in over 30+ years.

Originally posted by CortSether
The fact that Strange he was able to evade all of Zom's attacks and even rip off his mystic forelock without getting harmed says to me that Zom is nowhere near the power you're trying to give him credit for having.

No it only tells you that Doc was nifty in his movements. He also used the Eye to help cut the forelock.

Originally posted by CortSether
Hah, no. Shuma-Gorath has done far more than Zom. Shuma's also never been stalemated by a young and inexperienced Doctor Strange lol.

Like what? And you better not say eating some prehistoric humans.

Originally posted by CortSether
First off, the Zomling's power alone more than likely wouldn't even enable Strange to make it to Shuma's dimension, let alone battle him.

Secondly, even if he did make it to Shuma's realm there's not a chance he'd be able to defeat Shuma. For one, it's against OP rules for Zom/Strange to merge with Shuma. Even if it was allowed, he wouldn't be able to do it as Shuma-Gorath.

Funny that you mention Shuma's defeat by Strange as if it was some casual thing that Strange could do in any situation. Strange needed enormous amounts of prep, including merging with various black magic, also including energy from an Old One, as well as Arioch himself. Also, Shuma-Gorath was the one who forced Strange's merging in the first place. It's even shown on panel as Shuma-Gorath hits Strange and grasps him by the leg, notifying him of the change. Before Strange had Shuma's energy in him he hadn't even been able to hurt the chaos lord. And that's after all his prep time and various mergings (which put him on a level far superior to that of Strange and a zomling, btw). Zom/Strange would get torn apart.

Zom himself would fare no better.

All of this is moot considering the op has Doc travel to the Chaos dimension successfully and is going all out.

The only amp that was of any significance was his merging with Arioch. Doc mentioned only this while they battled.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Shuma-Gorath/shumagorathvsstrangef31.jpg

LOL at Doc not being able to hurt Shuma. Shuma couldn't hurt him either. Shuma knew he was going to lose. That's why he used that desperate tactic but only to get his own replica of Earth used against him which totally wrecked him. Doc barely even broke a sweat. Zom would give Shuma the biggest black eye ever seen in Marvel + some.

Originally posted by Sundipped
In case you were wondering, I didn't miss your last delusional response Cort.

Good, I was hoping you'd come back and type stupid things again.



Haha, yeah, except for it being stated on panel that Dormammu chained up Zom before Eternity got involved.



Shuma toyed with him the whole time, couldn't be hurt, and was kicking Strange's ass. Strange would have died had AO's ego not been there.



And it's never said that Eternity couldn't just kill Zom instead of banishing him. Yet, like LT did later, he decided to banish him instead. It's never said that Zom was too powerful for Eternity, it's not even said that they fought. If you want to make the claim that Zom is somehow a match for Eternity you've got to have something other than "Oh Eternity decided to banish him", considering LT decided to just banish him later as well and I don't know anyone dense enough to make the claim that Zom is a match for LT.

Umar's fright hardly means anything. Umar =/= Dormammu. Dormammu has wiped the floor with Umar before. Hell, didn't he beat her and Baron Mordo up at the same time? :/



And yet this does nothing to show that Zom is somehow near Eternity's level, not even Shuma-Gorath's level.



So Zom is supposedly able to take on Eternity now and yet he can't even catch an inexperienced Doc Strange? lol. Shuma-Gorath at least was able to catch Strange through his invisibility spell. Strange only got to AO's ego because Shuma was toying with him - Zom was going all out and couldn't even catch him.



I'll respond to this last.



Not exactly moot considering Strange with just AO's power was able to hold his own against the full form of Zom whereas a peer of the Ancient One, Kaluu, couldn't even make it to Shuma's realm without collapsing into a coma because the energy in the realm was too powerful. So Strange w/ Ancient One's power is near Zom's level while AO's rival can't even go on to fight Shuma-Gorath's lieutenant.

Zom's not even as powerful as Arioch.



Strange only comments about the merging with Arioch to contradict Shuma's statement that he is just a mortal and therefore could not stand against a God.

Anyway, Strange had significant boosts of power before the merging with Arioch. Strange had enormous eldrich energy gained as a result of his and Kaluu's confrontation with Ghaszaszh Nyirh, as well as black magic tutoring from Kaluu, a sorcerer with knowledge of the spells from the Darkhold. And his absorption of Victoria Bentley's power was absolutely significant. She was stated to have incredible magical potential that was greater than even Baron Mordo's, and he even suggests killing her because of this. After gaining the power from Victoria he was significantly above Kaluu in power and by extension was above the Ancient One as well. This is before his fight with Arioch.




Because Zom has all those feats, right? Hah, no. Zom has absolutely nothing going for him, despite being shackled like a beotch by Dormammu and thrown in a vase as well as not even being able to catch an inexperienced Doc Strange until he let down his guard thinking he had won already.

The facts are these:

1) Vammatar and Kulan Gath, sorcerers who invoke spells of the Elder God Set, were turned to ash with a casual blast of energy from Shuma.

2) Shuma made the Ancient One his beotch and took him over easily. In fact, the Ancient One knew Shuma's impending arrival would mean disaster for all humanity. He plans for Strange to kill him just to prevent Shuma from coming, yet he was pretty okay with having Strange summon Zom in order to get rid of Umar.

3) Strange even before absorbing Arioch was superior to the Ancient One and his peer. Yet he still needed to absorb a God in order to have a chance against Shuma-Gorath, and still couldn't do anything definitively until he had Shuma's energy coursing through him. Yet Strange with only the Ancient One's power was able to stand up to the full rage of Zom and embarrass him by ripping off his mystic forelock. Don't give me that whole "Zom had him beat" diatribe, because Strange only got caught after he had stopped running and thought wrongly that Zom would be incapacitated without his forelock.

4) The energy from Shuma-Gorath would have destroyed galaxies just by Strange being there if he returned to his normal plane of existence. This is confirmed by Kaluu. Don't give me that "oh that's hyperbole" argument, because when Kaluu tried to open the way into the next plane the energy of the realm reacted with Strange and caused a large explosion which is how Kaluu, a master of black magic, was able to make the assessment in the first place.

5) AFTER Strange had bled out some of Shuma's energy, he still had enough power that Kaluu states that he would explode and die just by touching him once more after Strange casually blocked Kaluu's punch with his forearm

6) Strange's battle with Shuma was shaking up all the netherrealms in existence and felt from 1,000 planes of existence away.

7) Shuma-Gorath was able to casually affect the entire earth from his dimension with a mere voodoo doll. This caused Dr. Druid to feel spikes digging through his skull, the sky to be surrounded in fire, a gypsy to bleed from its eyes, and Talisman to feel as if his chest was about to burst open. And after the Earth replica was destroyed people around the world died and natural disasters took place

8) Shuma-Gorath took over a Fear Lord without having to enter the realm as well as placed a spell of silence on him.

9) Shuma-Gorath has combated the entire Vishanti, stated by the Vishanti themselves, and they weren't able to do jack squat to Shuma, which is confirmed when it is said that not even Agamotto was able to destroy a lord of chaos.

10)Sise-Neg was only moments away from recreating all of Marvel as he had absorbed every source of magical energy aside from that of Shuma-Gorath, and yet even he avoided a head-on assault against Shuma because attempting to fight him would take time and energy. Yet Sise-Neg says moments before that he could kill Strange with a mere thought. This says loads about Shuma's power.

Does Zom have anything comparable? Hell to the no. Zom would get crushed against Shuma-Gorath, and Strange with a Zomling would be eaten for dinner and tentacle raped - not necessarily in that order.

You know, Zom fanboys are pretty funny. Especially when they demand feats from other Gods