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A herald going up against a Sky Father level being in Monarch, yeah right, Monarch all the way to the bank. Monarch took out Captain Atom brigade, alternate Superman's, GL's,Fire Storms, yeah add Hulk to that list!!

Monarch

Monarch 10/10

Monarch.

At least make this hand to hand

give hulk a bit of a chance

I think the Hulk has a chance here.

Hulk has a chance in hell, Monarch rage stomps his a$$!

Hulk wins. World Breaker is above Herald level by the way Dark and he would EASILY rip Monarch armor.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk wins. World Breaker is above Herald level by the way Dark and he would EASILY rip Monarch armor.

Yeah and then die

Originally posted by jalek moye
Yeah and then die

I agree, he will die but Monarch would be out first which would constitute as a win for Hulk.

Monarch easily..

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk wins. World Breaker is above Herald level by the way Dark and he would EASILY rip Monarch armor.

Monarch stomps Hulk is out of his league

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk wins. World Breaker is above Herald level by the way Dark and he would EASILY rip Monarch armor.
You think monarch is a herald. Go to sleep kid.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
You think monarch is a herald. Go to sleep kid.

I never said Monarch is a Herald. Why would I say that when monarch was tanking punches from Heralds without movies and killing loads of them with a single blast?

Why would I go to sleep when you were the one that was wrong? Doesn't make sense KID.

So anyway Monarch blows Hulk up.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So anyway Monarch blows Hulk up.

Hmm I think he'd just beat him to death. Hulk not worthy of being blasted.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he will die but Monarch would be out first which would constitute as a win for Hulk.

lol @ reaching. But now, it wouldn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol @ reaching. But now, it wouldn't.

Naah, not reaching...90% the truth.

So why do you think WBH beats Monarch?

Because he wtfKABEWMED a planet?

Originally posted by NemeBro
So why do you think WBH beats Monarch?

Because he wtfKABEWMED a planet?

Because his strength can breach Monarch armor.

But Carver, how can he breach Monarch's armor if he is dead?!?

How is he going to die?

That's an idiotic line of thought, since it ignores the enormous speed difference.

Monarch kept pace with an amped Superboy Prime who could speedblitz 5-D Imps and traverse the Multiverse the same way I traverse my backyard. He could injure someone who could fly through planets and make them explode, and could do this by punching and blasting him. He could tear threw fifty+ herald level beings easily, and then proceeded to absorb them.

Could WBH tear through Monarch's armour? Arguably. Monarch could tear through Hulk's neck and take his head off, and do it before WBH could begin to conceive of throwing a punch, or just vaporise him with merely a gesture.

We're talking about two entirely different scales her carvey boy. WBH is perhaps the physically most dominant herald-level being there is. That doesn't even begin to suggest he can hang with Monarch.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's an idiotic line of thought, since it ignores the enormous speed difference.

Monarch kept pace with an amped Superboy Prime who could speedblitz 5-D Imps and traverse the Multiverse the same way I traverse my backyard. He could injure someone who could fly through planets and make them explode, and could do this by punching and blasting him. He could tear threw fifty+ herald level beings easily, and then proceeded to absorb them.

Could WBH tear through Monarch's armour? Arguably. Monarch could tear through Hulk's neck and take his head off, and do it before WBH could begin to conceive of throwing a punch, or just vaporise him with merely a gesture.

We're talking about two entirely different scales her carvey boy. WBH is perhaps the physically most dominant herald-level being there is. That doesn't even begin to suggest he can hang with Monarch.

Monarch never display super speed and Prime didn't use speed against him either. I agree, Monarch is a MONSTER and if Hulk doesn't cover that distance fast, Monarch is killing him. The thing about this is, WBH can cover that distance pretty quick.

WBH isnt Herald level. I would go as far to say that WWH is low trans.

Originally posted by carver9
Monarch never display super speed and Prime didn't use speed against him either. Stopped reading.

Christ you are dumb.

Originally posted by carver9
I would go as far to say that WWH is low trans.

Of course you would.

But a dead Hulk isn't even street level.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Stopped reading.

Christ you are dumb.

First time responding to Carver?

Can't debate with logic, people need to adapt like me.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Stopped reading.

Christ you are dumb.

Lol...would you like for me to post the fight Bro?

I've seen it.

You'll do your typical DBZ fantard bullshit where you say "LOOK DERE'S NO BLURRY LINES AND SHIT! THERE'S NO SPEED BEING USED! D: "

monarch with ease........

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, not reaching...90% the truth.

Not really. And it still wouldn't count as a win.

--

Also, lol @ Monarch having no speed. Especially seeing as he has years of feats to use.

Originally posted by carver9
Monarch never display super speed and Prime didn't use speed against him either. I agree, Monarch is a MONSTER and if Hulk doesn't cover that distance fast, Monarch is killing him. The thing about this is, WBH can cover that distance pretty quick.

WBH isnt Herald level. I would go as far to say that WWH is low trans. Okay, no but, you seriously think Hulk could close in on Monarch and pound the shit out of him before Monarch blasts him to nothing?

Oh boy, I need to drink some Carverade to understand the argument presented in here.

Monarch 10/10

Monarch.

His suit gets ripped open and destroys a universe, WWH is not healing back from that.

Hulkie Boy has the chanses of a garden slug getting stepped on by Fred Dukes here.

alot of hate directed towards carver here (and im not even sure its warranted. he seems pretty civil, despite some weird logic), relax guys, it's just comic lol. monarch wins but wbh will put up a good fight, imo. if prime can do it, wbh can at least put up half a fight, lol!

Originally posted by dynamix
alot of hate directed towards carver here (and im not even sure its warranted. he seems pretty civil, despite some weird logic), relax guys, it's just comic lol. monarch wins but wbh will put up a good fight, imo. if prime can do it, wbh can at least put up half a fight, lol!

I particularly like Carver, I think He is very funny and He is part of KMC.

I dislike very much his logic, but overall I think He is very funny.

Just saying, you have to love Carverade

Spite, Monarch sh!tstomps

Hulk rips him open ftw.

Come on, not even carver believes WBH can win...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Come on, not even carver believes WBH can win... If Superboy Prime can rip open his suit of armor I see no reason why WB Hulk cannot follow suit.

Ummm besides that fact that if Monarch didn't want WBH getting close to him... he wouldn't even touch him?

The same reason a 5 year old cant bench 800 pounds

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummm besides that fact that if Monarch didn't want WBH getting close to him... he wouldn't even touch him? A green lantern got close to him. Superboy Prime got close to him. Monarch's arrogance will be his undoing. Hulk rips him wide open.

So you admit that if Monarch didn't want him getting close to him.. he wouldn't right? Notice a big difference between those two and Hulk.. ya know.. the whole speed thing...

Monarch wins 10/10

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you admit that if Monarch didn't want him getting close to him.. he wouldn't right? Notice a big difference between those two and Hulk.. ya know.. the whole speed thing... In character he won't think much of the Hulk. Hulk will get up close and personal like so many have who have taken on Monarch. Prime didn't use blinding speed. Monarch's armor gets breached.

So Hulk ONLY chance is if Monarch fights dumb? Well buddy, we agree on that much.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So Hulk ONLY chance is if Monarch fights dumb? Well buddy, we agree on that much. That's how Monarch fights. If you don't know how he fights why post in the thread ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
A green lantern got close to him. Superboy Prime got close to him. Monarch's arrogance will be his undoing. Hulk rips him wide open.
Literally everybody monarch fought can both and and are ftl.

And were all effortlessly batted away with exception to Ga prime but considering the things they had him doing it is somewhat understandable

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Literally everybody monarch fought can both and and are ftl.

And were all effortlessly batted away with exception to Ga prime but considering the things they had him doing it is somewhat understandable

WBH ran through everyone as well and treated them as insects. Beings that even the great and all powerful Umar couldn't stop.

Originally posted by carver9
WBH ran through everyone as well and treated them as insects. Beings that even the great and all powerful Umar couldn't stop. So Hulk is more powerful than Umar? Thats what your posts leads me to believe. You were ragging on somebodys style of debating yet you post this shit?

Great fight...esta31

Originally posted by iceman24567
So Hulk is more powerful than Umar? Thats what your posts leads me to believe. You were ragging on somebodys style of debating yet you post this shit?

Umar couldn't stop the Mindless Ones (stated on panel) but Hulk melted them with just the backlash of his powa. Take that how you want but its an insane display of power.

The same power which didnt even inconvience umar.

I see a flaw in this reasoning.

Monarch wins. WBH is powerful but to even have a chance he would have to get close to Monarch. No need for Monarch to allow that.

It don't matter what carver9 and quanchi believe. this is not comic book in forum fight character fight at full potential. Monarch vaporized hulk in an instant

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
The same power which didnt even inconvience umar.

I see a flaw in this reasoning.

Did I say he could kill Umar. That just shows how durable Umar is since the same power that destroy the Mindless Ones would kill any Herald (the Mindless Ones were capable of walking in a Neutron Star with no trouble at all and they died from the backlash of Hulks power).

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/MindlessonesNeutron.jpg

Recent portrayal of the characters.

So in one hand we have the Mindless One being durable enough to withstand attacks from Umar. Stated on panel she couldn't stop them. Also stated on panel that Dormammu couldn't stop them but yet we have Hulk melting them from a distance with his punching power.

Him not killing Umar after this doesn't take away from him being a complete and utter monster. Umar is just powerful and durable. Umar swam in the blood of Eternity so I can see her taking a hit from Hulk.

Originally posted by hunbu04
It don't matter what carver9 and quanchi believe. this is not comic book in forum fight character fight at full potential. Monarch vaporized hulk in an instant

What blast are you comparing this too that will vaporize Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
Did I say he could kill Umar. That just shows how durable Umar is since the same power that destroy the Mindless Ones would kill any Herald (the Mindless Ones were capable of walking in a Neutron Star with no trouble at all and they died from the backlash of Hulks power).

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/MindlessonesNeutron.jpg

Recent portrayal of the characters.

So in one hand we have the Mindless One being durable enough to withstand attacks from Umar. Stated on panel she couldn't stop them. Also stated on panel that Dormammu couldn't stop them but yet we have Hulk melting them from a distance with his punching power.

Him not killing Umar after this doesn't take away from him being a complete and utter monster. Umar is just powerful and durable. Umar swam in the blood of Eternity so I can see her taking a hit from Hulk.
Umar played hulk like a gameboy.

"Im just a weak woman I need a big strong man to handle things for me"

It was all bullshit from line one

Hulk is a herald level character at best going against a character who destroyed a universe when prime destroy his suit. Here is my question what is hulk benefits if he destroy monarch suit except die horribly

Originally posted by hunbu04
Hulk is a herald level character at best going against a character who destroyed a universe when prime destroy his suit. Here is my question what is hulk benefits if he destroy monarch suit except die horribly

Hulk is above Herald level. He kill Heralds without touching them and tank Heralds attacks without flinching.

It would be an even fight and both would lose if he rips the suit.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Umar played hulk like a gameboy.

"Im just a weak woman I need a big strong man to handle things for me"

It was all bullshit from line one

How did she play him when she wanted to get him out of her realm due to his destructive power.? Is something wrong with you?

Originally posted by carver9
How did she play him when she wanted to get him out of her realm due to his destructive power.? Is something wrong with you? Nothing was ever in danger. She wanted to get him somewhere he could confront betty and play out all his drama

Unless something funky was going on no reason that Umar would need an outside portal to get Hulk out of her Realm if she wanted to she was the one who took him there and was teleporting him around at will and she already showed she could tank the effects of Betty and Hulk fighting if that was the problem getting him outta there.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Unless something funky was going on no reason that Umar would need an outside portal to get Hulk out of her Realm if she wanted to she was the one who took him there and was teleporting him around at will and she already showed she could tank the effects of Betty and Hulk fighting if that was the problem getting him outta there.

I agree and again, I NEVER said that Hulk could kill Umar, someone that is Dormammu equal (probably more powerful since she is in control of the Dark Dimension now). Does this change the fact that Umar couldn't stop the Mindless Ones but Hulk did it twice? Sure doesn't.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Nothing was ever in danger. She wanted to get him somewhere he could confront betty and play out all his drama

Huh? What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Literally everybody monarch fought can both and and are ftl.

And were all effortlessly batted away with exception to Ga prime but considering the things they had him doing it is somewhat understandable They didn't fly faster than light. The gl's weren't fighting faster than light. I argue based on how they fight in character not powersets.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree and again, I NEVER said that Hulk could kill Umar, someone that is Dormammu equal (probably more powerful since she is in control of the Dark Dimension now). Does this change the fact that Umar couldn't stop the Mindless Ones but Hulk did it twice? Sure doesn't.


I never said you did and I am not really joining in here I think you guys have it covered just pointing that out.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I never said you did and I am not really joining in here I think you guys have it covered just pointing that out.

No, I want to debate against you Superiortech. Bring it.

Originally posted by hunbu04
It don't matter what carver9 and quanchi believe. this is not comic book in forum fight character fight at full potential. Monarch vaporized hulk in an instant Based on ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's how Monarch fights. If you don't know how he fights why post in the thread ?

I know exactly how he fights, and stupid wouldn't be the first word that comes to mind... Maybe you need to read more Monarch

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I know exactly how he fights, and stupid wouldn't be the first word that comes to mind... Maybe you need to read more Monarch Give some examples. I mean most characters attacked he laughed off but two different characters breached his armor. This fight will be up close and personal.

Since when does lifting a visor = breaching armor

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Since when does lifting a visor = breaching armor His armor was ruptured/breached twice.

When

What is the point of Hulk breachinh Monarch if it will means his death. Can the Hulk regenerate from an explosion that is capable of destroying a universe now!!!!!!!!!!
Second Hulk is no Prime. Prime destroy hulk easily also

Originally posted by hunbu04
What is the point of Hulk breachinh Monarch if it will means his death. Can the Hulk regenerate from an explosion that is capable of destroying a universe now!!!!!!!!!!
Second Hulk is no Prime. Prime destroy hulk easily also I think so since it's just a chain reaction which couldn't even destroy the Monitor or his shield.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
When Once in countdown arena and in countdown.

Some Monitors are multiversal.

Yeah, think about that.

Originally posted by Bentley
Some Monitors are multiversal.

Yeah, think about that. That isn't how they were portrayed in that story. We had a weak army getting the better of an army of the Monitors.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't how they were portrayed in that story. We had a weak army getting the better of an army of the Monitors.

Yet, some monitors ARE multiversal, so maybe Solomon is one.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yet, some monitors ARE multiversal, so maybe Solomon is one. He wasn't portrayed that way in the story nor did Solomon even survive that blast. The Monitors were portrayed as badasses by Morrison after countdown.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wasn't portrayed that way in the story nor did Solomon even survive that blast. The Monitors were portrayed as badasses by Morrison after countdown.


I see you brought no proof. Cool.

Originally posted by Bentley
I see you brought no proof. Cool. I'm going by how they were portrayed in the same story. You aren't.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Once in countdown arena and in countdown.
The suicide of a gl managed to lift his visor. Thats not breaching

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
The suicide of a gl managed to lift his visor. Thats not breaching It stated it ruptured. That's breaching.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They didn't fly faster than light. The gl's weren't fighting faster than light. I argue based on how they fight in character not powersets. Prove this. "LULZ THERE WERE NO BLURRY LINES" isn't an argument, just so you know.

Also, Superboy Prime consistently utilises speed in battle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm going by how they were portrayed in the same story. You aren't.

It's no retcon and still happened, you don't like it? Who cares? Bring proof of actual limitations from the Monitor or stop cherry picking showings.

WBH has zero chance to win... ZERO.... He gets curbstomped without even laying a finger on Monarch.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove this. "LULZ THERE WERE NO BLURRY LINES" isn't an argument, just so you know.

Also, Superboy Prime consistently utilises speed in battle. No, he doesn't. He trades blows he doesn't use his speed.

He's a brick you brick.

Originally posted by Bentley
It's no retcon and still happened, you don't like it? Who cares? Bring proof of actual limitations from the Monitor or stop cherry picking showings. It isn't a retcon. Power levels vary from story to story. In the story we are referring to alternate reality versions were kicking their asses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It stated it ruptured. That's breaching. He ruptured the containment feild he didnt actually do any damage to the armor at all

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
He ruptured the containment feild he didnt actually do any damage to the armor at all He breached it. That's undeniable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he doesn't. He trades blows he doesn't use his speed.

He's a brick you brick. He's counter-blitzed the Flashes, consistently dominated Superman (Usually when he has help from someone like Power Girl) without letting him get a single hit in, he blitzed a 5-D Imp in the story, he blitzed Martian Manhunter in the Watch Tower, he blitzed Lex Luthor when he destroyed his armour, he blitzed Powergirl on Alex's tower of fun, in his first fight with Superboy he beat the shit out of him and Superboy couldn't hit him once, consistently dominates teams using his speed, he speedblitzed the team of Green Lanterns that were sent to slow him down, even while mostly depowered he speedblitzed Kal-L, but beyond that:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p05.jpg

Here we directly SEE Prime rushing Monarch using his speed.

Nice way to dodge my question though, prove that Prime didn't use his demonstratedly incredible speed against Monarch.

Also, mind posting the scan of Monarch's suit being ruptured by a Green Lantern?

A GL lifted the face plate of Monarch armor.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He's counter-blitzed the Flashes, consistently dominated Superman (Usually when he has help from someone like Power Girl) without letting him get a single hit in, he blitzed a 5-D Imp in the story, he blitzed Martian Manhunter in the Watch Tower, he blitzed Lex Luthor when he destroyed his armour, he blitzed Powergirl on Alex's tower of fun, in his first fight with Superboy he beat the shit out of him and Superboy couldn't hit him once, consistently dominates teams using his speed, he speedblitzed the team of Green Lanterns that were sent to slow him down, even while mostly depowered he speedblitzed Kal-L, but beyond that:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p05.jpg

Here we directly SEE Prime rushing Monarch using his speed.

Nice way to dodge my question though, prove that Prime didn't use his demonstratedly incredible speed against Monarch.

Also, mind posting the scan of Monarch's suit being ruptured by a Green Lantern? I never said he couldn't fly. Hulk can also jump. We don't know how fast Prime was flying. Prime usually uses his speed to avoid fighting like in Infinite Crisis or in his tie in for Sinestro.


Nah, I don't feel like it. It's late and I'd rather not go to the hard work of locating the comic and scanning it.

I see you are copping out. I take that as your concession.

Monarch stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
A GL lifted the face plate of Monarch armor.
I lift your face with my fist.
durfist

Originally posted by carver9
A GL lifted the face plate of Monarch armor. Scan please?

Originally posted by NemeBro
I see you are copping out. I take that as your concession.

Monarch stomps. You don't even know what a speed blitz is. You think flying into someone is a speed blitz. Stick to games, dude. Actually you're terrible at games too. Give checkers a shot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A green lantern got close to him. Superboy Prime got close to him. Monarch's arrogance will be his undoing. Hulk rips him wide open.

And gets a face full of universal destruction.

Still not seeing how that's a win.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And gets a face full of universal destruction.

Still not seeing how that's a win. I don't see the chain reaction type blast as putting him down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't see the chain reaction type blast as putting him down.

And that is why you fail.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And that is why you fail. Don't make me come to canada.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't even know what a speed blitz is. You think flying into someone is a speed blitz. Stick to games, dude. Actually you're terrible at games too. Give checkers a shot. A speedblitz is using your speed to overwhelm an opponent in combat.

Like the multiple examples I brought up.

Prove Superman Prime didn't use speed against Monarch.

Also: You are the worst debater in this forum, and can only rely on your ad hominems and attacks on my credibility (Which is a silly thing to do, since you have none), rather than your intellect or grasp of logic.

Address my points or leave the thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Don't make me come to canada.

They wouldn't let you in.

From what I hear it is actually pretty easy to just sort of walk into Canada.

Originally posted by NemeBro
From what I hear it is actually pretty easy to just sort of walk into Canada.

Considering how hard they're trying to make me leave, I can't agree.

Yeah but to be fair, you're just that awful man.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah but to be fair, you're just that awful man.

True...

Originally posted by NemeBro
A speedblitz is using your speed to overwhelm an opponent in combat.

Like the multiple examples I brought up.

Prove Superman Prime didn't use speed against Monarch.

Also: You are the worst debater in this forum, and can only rely on your ad hominems and attacks on my credibility (Which is a silly thing to do, since you have none), rather than your intellect or grasp of logic.

Address my points or leave the thread. A speedblitz is a succession of attacks in which your opponent cannot muster a counter attack not just flying into someone. Monarch was able to counter his attacks. Prime wasn't too quick to attack any opponents. He flies sure but he doesn't use his speed to overwhelm pretty much anyone on panel. We might see prime fly into someone and then the next time we see his opponent aka MM he's beaten but that's off panel. Landing the first attack is nice but Prime really hasn't shown anyone up on speed.

Prime is a brick. Bricks trade blows. That's exactly how he fights time and time again. He's pretty powerful but the guy doesn't use his speed offensively in the manner in which you are debating for. You're a feat arguer. Worst kind of debater.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A speedblitz is a succession of attacks in which your opponent cannot muster a counter attack not just flying into someone.

Right, like what happens when he fights Superman.



Which proves he is very fast.



He counter-blitzed three Flashes.

He dominated Superboy, who couldn't get a hit in, in most of his fights.

He did the same to a large team of Green Lanterns, and ended it with Guy Gardner gasping for air from Superboy Prime choking him with a single hand.

Please stop.



Aka you have no proof that Prime didn't use speed against Monarch. You're pretty dumb, huh?



Other than the occasions I brought up.

The only thing you do is deny the opposition's feats while wanking your side's feats to oblivion.

You should go away.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Right, like what happens when he fights Superman.



Which proves he is very fast.



He counter-blitzed three Flashes.

He dominated Superboy, who couldn't get a hit in, in most of his fights.

He did the same to a large team of Green Lanterns, and ended it with Guy Gardner gasping for air from Superboy Prime choking him with a single hand.

Please stop.



Aka you have no proof that Prime didn't use speed against Monarch. You're pretty dumb, huh?



Other than the occasions I brought up.

The only thing you do is deny the opposition's feats while wanking your side's feats to oblivion.

You should go away. He didn't speedblitz Superman. You don't even know the term means. You already embarrassed yourself.

The Hulk countered the Sentry's attacks as well. I guarantee you abandon this logic when you don't care about the character.

That's not in an offensive manner he used it in defense that time only. He also was defeated and was shown to be slower than the Flashes.

Superboy scarred him for life. Prime is a lot more powerful but doesn't speedblitz him he just attacks him. You still aren't getting this. Le sigh.

Prime attacked them while flying. That isn't a blitz. Are you doing this on purpose ?

Prime flew into him. Then he was countered. Sentry flew into the WW Hulk. Then he was countered. Are you really this simple ?

Off panel beatdowns. Whoopty doo.

You don't even know what a speed blitz is. You should go away now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't a retcon. Power levels vary from story to story. In the story we are referring to alternate reality versions were kicking their asses.

So? You lowball every Monitor feat by implying he wasn't able to tank a blast in that story, you're cherry picking the Monitor feats to suit your argument. Even if the comic was intended to depict whatever you're arguing -it sure as hell never suggested Hulk was in Monarch's level-, it would still be a meaningless argument because we already know better, we know the Monitors can be multiversal.

Originally posted by Bentley
So? You lowball every Monitor feat by implying he wasn't able to tank a blast in that story, you're cherry picking the Monitor feats to suit your argument. Even if the comic was intended to depict whatever you're arguing -it sure as hell never suggested Hulk was in Monarch's level-, it would still be a meaningless argument because we already know better, we know the Monitors can be multiversal. I am discussing the Monitop's portrayal in the story the feat occurred. You want to pretend Morrison's depictions matter in a countdown story. Far less than the Hulk was beating the collective power of the Monitors not just one.

For Once Seeing Quanchi Having A Better Point.....Now That's Just Wrong :l

Originally posted by TheHulk
For Once Seeing Quanchi Having A Better Point.....Now That's Just Wrong :l Bentley knows I am right.

Christ, it's amazing how a few idiots can drag out a cut-and-dry thread like this. srsly

Monarch wins. He wins via energy absorption, or BFR, or mindrape (he's mindphucked Maxima in the past), or by simply being more powerful--during Arena, for instance, Monarch destroyed an entire continent with a casual flick of his wrist.

^Monarch is definitely much more powerful, but destroying a continent with an energy attack is really not that impressive....Him having pontential universe busting energy within his suit is a much better indicator.

Originally posted by Galan007
or by simply being more powerful--during Arena, for instance, Monarch destroyed an entire continent with a casual flick of his wrist.

Or in Countdown, when the release of his full power destroyed the universe

Vaporizing a continent with a casual gesture is far and away more impressive than anything Hulk did under his own power. IMO.

^A "mere gesture" is equivocation and really is not at all an indicator of impressiveness. He used an energy attack produced with a gesture. Most energy attacks are produced by gestures (hand waves, hand thrusts etc) Destroying a continent with a blast is NOT that impressive and certainly not even close to WBH best. Seriously...no need to hold on to a ok feat and play it up to something it is not when Monarch has infinitely more impressive power displays at his disposal.

Originally posted by Galan007
Vaporizing a continent with a casual gesture is far and away more impressive than anything Hulk did under his own power. IMO.

Planetary destroying power>>>>>>>continental destroying power.

Originally posted by Naija boy
^A "mere gesture" is equivocation. He used an energy attack produced with a gesture. Most energy attacks are produced by gestures (hand waves, thrusts etc) Destroying a continent with a blast is NOT that impressive and certainly not even close to WBH best. Seriously...

Yeah, I'm closing this thread.

Monarch wins. He has higher feats, more feats and clearer feats. This assessment is coming from an avid Hulk fan.

I'll make sure to read the posts and see who was trolling. I believe once Raz gets back that there will be an end: to this extreme lowballng: feigning ignorance; arguing against characters people don't know; etc.