3rd raikage vs whitebeard

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Rikudo sennin
all that we have seen of them both
i say raikage

TheAuraAngel
Raikage will beat Whitebeard due to his inferior feats.

Samurai100
Lolwut? Whitebeard rapes pretty handily

Rikudo sennin
Originally posted by Samurai100
Lolwut? Whitebeard rapes pretty handily

whitebeard can barely hurt him while raikage can easily smash him aroung if squardo's sword pierced him. Raikage is faster as well and way more durable whitebeard is outclassed.

Radunuya
Unless this is Edo Raikage (who only takes it with regen/immortality and power that is not part of his standard abilities), Whitebeard rapes.

Island-busting quakes >>> A Rikudou-enhanced Rasen Shuriken (which is as damaging to like what... a city block or two?) which the former Raikage tanked largely due to his Edo status at the expense of his armor. Whitebeard can pull off weaker quakes that can one-shot him.

In terms of speed, they're almost even with the Raikage having more of an advantage (unless we apply powerscaling in which Whitebeard is slightly faster) given his ability to keep up with the Admirals in combat and moved through the battlefield and appeared behind Akainu with an attack prepared so fast that the admiral who has superhuman hearing didn't even notice him until someone yelled for him to look behind him (not that it prevented Akainu from being smashed in the head).

Squardo piercing through him via a cheap shot = Clear-cut PIS or that the sword's cutting power >> the Nukite. Let's go with PIS.

Whitebeard was durable enough to somewhat tank a direct magma fist attack from a bloodlusted Akainu to the chest while unguarded (a similiar attack was able to easily evaporate a massive iceberg thrown by Jozu) and while he was suffering from a heart attack and had a large hole in his chest and held massive endurance given he also tanked having half of his head burned off by a magma attack from Akainu and hundreds of weapons hitting him. Raikage has shown nothing that will be able to significantly harm Whitebeard.

WB takes it.

Q99
Uh, I will note the quakes are *not* that concentrated against a single target. Sure, they have a lot of power, but they don't obliterate foes in one hit. The giant hit wasn't splattered and the quake went on way past him, i.e. a lot of the power just passes through the target.

It's his actual Haki hits that deal the most individual damage.

psycho gundam
well, it's uncertain if raikage could take a punch like the one whitebeard hit akainu with (the one that like bent his shit), but whitebeard is almost a stationary target for that finger attack raikage has, and i suppose he could cut whitbeard's arms off.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Q99
Uh, I will note the quakes are *not* that concentrated against a single target. Sure, they have a lot of power, but they don't obliterate foes in one hit. The giant hit wasn't splattered and the quake went on way past him, i.e. a lot of the power just passes through the target.

It's his actual Haki hits that deal the most individual damage. Congratulations, you just proved that the giant Vice-Admiral is very durable.

Anyway Whitebeard crushes him.

Samurai100
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
whitebeard can barely hurt him while raikage can easily smash him aroung if squardo's sword pierced him. Raikage is faster as well and way more durable whitebeard is outclassed.

Can't hurt him? The side effect of a Sick, Mortally wounded Whitebeard's quake punch on Akainu pretty much split Marineford in two... Whitebeard has a definite edge in destructive power here...

http://www.mangareader.net/103-47876-13/one-piece/chapter-576.html
As seen here, Whitebeard's ability to soak up damage is massive, not forgetting Akainu's Magma Fist to the face and chest... yeah, the Raikage ain't taking him down easily

The high-tier One Piece Characters are generally caled to be Mach 20 or higher, and this holds for Whitebeard, considering he managed to intercept Kizaru and get behind Akainu

Bentley
The Raikage gets shallowed in earth and dies by being suffocated. Chump.

Q99
Originally posted by NemeBro
Congratulations, you just proved that the giant Vice-Admiral is very durable.

He is very durable, but the point still stands- the quake's energy does *not* stay focused on the target. Most of it went way beyond the giant VA and unleashed it's power elsewhere.


It's like with Pain when he did in city-crush. While that is plenty to kill most people, all you need to do to survive is withstand the part that hits *you*.

Radunuya
Originally posted by Q99
Uh, I will note the quakes are *not* that concentrated against a single target. Sure, they have a lot of power, but they don't obliterate foes in one hit. The giant hit wasn't splattered and the quake went on way past him, i.e. a lot of the power just passes through the target.

It's his actual Haki hits that deal the most individual damage.

Sure, but it was still able to split an island. Even if a substantial portion of the power passes through the target and is directed to the ground, that person will have to tank at the very least most of the power of the quake before it passes through them, something that Akainu was able to accomplish against Whitebeard's strongest quake while in a critically injured state. The other cases were people survive and something else gets destroyed instead was because they could take those weaker quakes. Whitebeard's quakes is a concentrated force whose power quickly expands upon contact. Pain's gravity attack was spread out from the very beginning. It was an attack with a massive area of effect.

And the Raikage's durability is nowhere near Akainu's tanking abilities... or Whitebeard's.

Q99
Not really- all of the quakes extended well beyond the target.

Think about it, when it's used on the ground itself, it all goes through the first part of the ground hit but that section isn't made way wider than most of the chasm made. The power is spread out evenly along the path of destruction.

Most of the power is passing through but doesn't use itself on the target.

It does increase the destruction done to the target, it's just never been shown as being concentrated.

Radunuya
Originally posted by Q99
Not really- all of the quakes extended well beyond the target.

Think about it, when it's used on the ground itself, it all goes through the first part of the ground hit but that section isn't made way wider than most of the chasm made. The power is spread out evenly along the path of destruction.

Most of the power is passing through but doesn't use itself on the target.

It does increase the destruction done to the target, it's just never been shown as being concentrated.

I will need to saw scans of the more generic quakes. We can't really judge how much quake power is divided since there are 3 mediums it can be directed to; the air, the target itself, and the ground. We see Whitebeard with a bubble aura around his fist, and when he hits something upon contact, the ground splits, the air shatters, and the target of course feels the impact of the attack. That impact can be consisted of the raw punch of Whitebeard and the shockwave generated. Regardless, the Raikage won't be tanking a strong quake punch.

Q99
Well, that's sort of my point- it is spread between those mediums *every time*. You can't scale it's damage to an individual based on it's area effect damage because it's always divided, even when Whitebeard is aiming at people he hates and is trying to kill.



Blackbeard did, and a hit from Luffy was able to hurt him while being no-where near island busting.

Bentley
Originally posted by Q99
Well, that's sort of my point- it is spread between those Blackbeard did, and a hit from Luffy was able to hurt him while being no-where near island busting.

Being hurt by Luffy is no low feat, he also decked Garp and resisted a hit from a Gigantic Budha. We also know for a fact BB also faced Ace's Entei without suffering severe wounds, Blackbeard has pretty high end durability as far as One Piece goes.

Q99
Originally posted by Bentley
Being hurt by Luffy is no low feat,

It is massively massively less than island busting, though.



But, notably, said hits he's taken that have hurt him some, are a tiny fraction of 'island destroying force concentrated on target' that people are claiming.


His reaction to Whitebeard's hit also wasn't all that much worse than to some of those other hits.

Bentley
Considering that Luffy casually splits ships in half, he can easily reach mountaing boosting strength when facing BB. Besides, being hurt by lesser attacks is what Blackbeard does, he went to resist Ace's most powerful blast but was squeaking after a random finger fire.

Q99
Originally posted by Bentley
Considering that Luffy casually splits ships in half,

Not that casually- a battleship hit by Gear 3 didn't sink, and he didn't use Gear 3 on BB.



Uh, pre-timeskip Luffy has never shown near mountain-busting power with single hits, especially not in base form.


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Point is, Whitebeard's quake hits have never been shown to concentrate their power in the manner being suggested. Now, his basic muscle hits are already strong, and Haki even more-so, so the quake going through the person on top of that still makes them incredibly powerful blows, but it is not the one-hit takedown people are suggestion (and especially not at a distance).

Bentley
Well, if you think it's hard to measure WB's damage output, that much can be stated as true. That hardly makes it so 3rd Raikage has a real chance here, as he can always get buried with a regular Earthquake.

Rikudo sennin
Originally posted by Bentley
Well, if you think it's hard to measure WB's damage output, that much can be stated as true. That hardly makes it so 3rd Raikage has a real chance here, as he can always get buried with a regular Earthquake.

How is he gonna get buried with his phenomenal speed plus the fact his balance wont be broke since he can put chakra in his feet. Also whitebeard was easily pierced by bullets and swords and was only able to ignore the pain. The one finger nukite can easily end him.

Samurai100
He managed to take Akainu's Magma fist to the chest, and was still able to continue fighting, Akainu's Magma was able to vaporize a huge block of Ice in seconds, it should be far above Anything the Raikage could dish out.

TheAuraAngel
He also took a sword wound to the gut.

No one can doubt that Whitebeard can certainly deal with pain but being hurt by something doesn't mean he is as durable as whatever else that something has hurt.

Whitebeard strikes me as a Glass cannon that just has a shit ton of HP. He gives not a damn how much you hurt him, he will keep going.

That said Raikage wins here. Obviously. I mean like, that guy took on 10,000 ninja and shit. vin

Rikudo sennin
Originally posted by Samurai100
He managed to take Akainu's Magma fist to the chest, and was still able to continue fighting, Akainu's Magma was able to vaporize a huge block of Ice in seconds, it should be far above Anything the Raikage could dish out.

those hits werent to vitals and second he still got injured and just used will power to continue. The raikage can actually not get injured by most attacks like blades and shit where whitebeard was. One slice from the nukite and his head is gone.

NemeBro
One Quake from Whitebeard and Raikage's everything is gone.

Rikudo sennin
Originally posted by NemeBro
One Quake from Whitebeard and Raikage's everything is gone.

just no.

wakkawakkawakka
Didn't Whitebeard tag Kizaru...or someone with more impressive speed than Gear 2 Luffy that I can't recall at the moment? 3rd Raikage might be fast but he shouldn't be faster than A's v2 Raiton Armor.

Though Raikage tied with a mountain bustsing biju. There's also the tanking the Rasenshuriken which should be just as powerful as one of Whitebeard's quake punches...though not the stronger ones.

Then again Whitebeard's destructive power cis waay above 3rd Raikage's. So I'd still call Whitebeard for now.

SupremeDragoon
3rd Defeats whitebeard

AuraAngel
Why?

Bentley
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
just no.


He buries the Raikage underground with an earthquake, then what?

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