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Don Corleone

Don Corleone
No one but the judges , mods , myself, jake , existere , and abhilegend are permitted to post here until the match is over.

Digi
Originally posted by Don Corleone
No one but the judges , mods , myself, jake , existere , and abhilegend are permitted to post here until the match is over.

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Don Corleone
Note :

Battle location has been changed to the Savage Lands !

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/Savage_Land.jpg

Don Corleone
Somebody throw the first punch ! stick out tongue

Gecko4lif
*Shoots digi in the kneecaps*

Existere
Ok boys and girls, let's get this show on the road.

Cable vs Wonder Woman

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Smurph Post 1

Wooo, sorry for keeping people waiting. I realized my scans were blurrier than I'd like - readable, but not nice on my eyes, not to mention Abhi, judges or spectators.

Anyways, got my hands on a new set (thanks Id!) so I'm good to go now.

I'm gonna start off this match by making a clear a couple of details that are immediately important in determining this match.

Firstly:


Shields

In a PM between Don and myself, I was trying to clear up a number of things, including the bare minimum that could be accomplished in prep.

He made it very clear that shields could be raised prior to the start of the match.

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/1959/bulletshields.jpg

Wonder Woman is based heavily around close quarters combat, and there's really no reason Cable should ever allow this match to be taken to close quarters.

Second:

Reaction Speeds

The first two of my points have a lot to do with Wonder Woman's speed - I know if I were arguing for Diana, I'd bank a lot of my case on the perception that she is faster and go for the blitz.

First I established that Cable will be constantly shielded.

Now I'll show that he can hold his own as well:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/surferblitz1.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/surferblitz2.jpg/

Here he intercepts a blitz from Surfer that had to come from at least orbit or farther, given that Cable could account for every presence on Earth at the time and would have picked up on Surfer's massive energies had he been hanging out. It fits with the dialogue, that talks about 'Richards making contact with the alien'.

Anyways, that's all he'd really need to do if Diana were to somehow get up close - he intercepts Surfer's attack, giving him time to make this easily a distance game again.

Still, while we're at it, let's show the rest of the scene:

I know the dialogue can be a little hard to read in that last scan, so I zoomed up on the part that mattered. Guys in the background are like 'How is the casualty count at zero from this orbital blitz!?', and the response is:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/zoomvaporize.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/humptydumpty.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/humpydumpty2.jpg/

Did you all get that? As Cable explains, they're sundering things at the atomic level and IMMEDIATELY putting them back together again.

WOW! nuts

They do this as their fight takes them from Providence, across the pacific, eventually ending up in Sydney, Australia.

Anyways, clearly, if Cable has the reactions to intercept an orbital blitz from Surfer and the thinking speed to accomplish atomic re-structuring on a massive scale, it should be a very simple matter for him to simply telekinetically punch Diana in her fat amazonian face, should she bring the fight close. Or, hell, should she not break through the shields - unlike his opponent, Cable can punch from across the globe.

Which brings me to point three...

Cable SMASH!

What do you think the durability of Diana's neck is compared to, say, Surfer's board?

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5922/cablesmash.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/275/cablesmash2.jpg


It can be noted that, during all of this, Cable was floating Providence, his massive country/island with his telekinesis:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/providencetk.jpg/

Of course, Cable has all his power at his disposal here, so once he cracks Diana's neck like Surfer's board, he can break all her ribs with enough force to keep an island aloft in the air.

Brute force isn't Cable's only path to victory however, bringing us to the final point of this post:

Telepathy!

The other half of Cable's powerset! How could I forget. So foolish.

It's often spouted that Wonder Woman is 'immune to telepathy', but I don't know that that's true. She often enough seems to communicate with the team via J'onn. It could be that she's immune to being controlled, but that isn't super relevant here - an offensive mental shut down would work just fine.

During the fight with Surfer, Cable was trying to reason with the alien- he needed to stop fighting Surfer so he could save the world. All while restructuring everything atomically, keeping providence aloft, and fighting Surfer with TK.

In this fight, we aren't plagued by ulterior goals and greater purposes.

No talking necessary. Telepathy can be used purely offensively, which means either as a hammer, or as a scalpel. I know Diana's lasso dispels most illusions (goddess of truth shtick, etc), but a girl and her toys are easily parted.

Cable gets a five minute breakdown on everything Wonder Woman can do and what she brings to the table. As soon as he knows what her lasso can do, it becomes a simple matter to lift it from her body and toss it off the battlefield, or, hell, use it himself.

After that point, illusions are fair game, and what Wonder Woman sees becomes his tool for amusement.

Fernus destroyed the league, the first time largely due to his invisibility.

Telepathic invisibility is a knack for Cable
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/invisibleo.jpg/


Here, Fernus restrains Wonder Woman with her own lasso. Also easy to accomplish with the right application of telekinesis.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/VsJla13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/VsJla14.jpg




Conclusion:


Cable is going to be shielded constantly throughout the fight

Cable is going to lift Wonder Woman's lasso from her via telekinesis whenever he wants, probably ASAP

Cable possesses the reflexes to respond to Wonder Woman's speed

Cable possesses the telekinetic might to pound Wonder Woman's clay-molded body into the dirt

Cable also has telepathy on top of all this to shape what Wonder Woman sees, and to hammer her psyche into paste




Wonder Woman is a gladiator. She is a one-on-one, close quarters, personal combatant.

Cable is a controller. The battlefield, the minds of his opponents, and matter itself is all his to manipulate.

His powerset allows him to dictate the terms of this match, and it allows him to strike anywhere with all of his might.

Don Corleone
Wow , good stuff. happy

leonidas
i know i shouldn't post, but i was curious--can everyone see those scans? all of them are broken for me..... sad

JakeTheBank
I can see all of them.

Endless Mike
They're working fine for me too

leonidas
huh. NOW i see them. blink

sorry for the interruption. continue killing each other. smile

Don Corleone
Rule #1 has been changed to a 10 post max . Pm me should there be any inconveniences.

* sees abhilegend riding a Marwari in from the sunset with dagger in mouth and an incredible counter post*

abhilegend
Originally posted by Existere
Ok boys and girls, let's get this show on the road.

Yeah, lets get on it.




thumb up



Abhilegend post 1.



Yeah, I am sorry for the late reply too.



Lets see what you've got.



Auto shields mean nothing unless you show us its feats of taking hits on the level of wonder woman can dish out. Diana on the other hand can break green lantern shields

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/ww19p1.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWoman019Page11.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWoman019Page12.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWoman019Page13.jpg

How durable are green lantern shields and constructs? Two rookie gls(got their rings on the same day) survive a star going nova and a black hole by just their auto shields.

http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=recharge02pg133ld.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=recharge02pg170je.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=recharge02pg180ny.jpg
http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?image=recharge02pg194lf.jpg
http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?image=recharge02pg227jg.jpg

A sinestro clone's constructs

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWoman110-12.jpg

Or she can just use her tiara and carve his shields like a turkey

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/wonderwomanv2087p218rf.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/wonderwomanv2087p223rb.jpg



Fat chance of that happening

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/wwaresgodsofgotham14ac-1.jpg

Here diana pushes through ares' blast and pounds on him. Cable can try to push her back any time he wants, her strength, speed and aegis can push through any attack he can muster.



For whatever its worth for him, unless it has some other feats than merely blocking bullets, its not much help for him.



False, surfer was just bullrushing cable at such a speed that beast and domino could point at him while he was already on providence. Cable just flew at him and met his bullrush head on, it doesn't denotes his reaction time. While we're at it, why don't we see how well cable does against a true blitz

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/cableblitzed.jpg

By someone whose fastest speed while in his suit is 140 MPH.

Wonder woman's speed is something else entirely. Just for reminder, Jesse quick is one of the fastest beings on the planet who looks faster than even energy superman here

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/specosmicsteal13.jpg

Jesse breaks the outer limit of speed force by saying her speed force formula twice which triples a speed force user's speed for a short time

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WWPlus1JesseQuick-30.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WWPlus1JesseQuick-31.jpg

She then grabs the scroll of hermes which boosts a speedster's speed hundredfold.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WWPlus1JesseQuick-32.jpg

Diana breaks the outer limit of speed force by her own speed and catches this hugely amped jesse without any problem

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WWPlus1JesseQuick-33.jpg

Now tell me that cable can comprehend diana's speed with a straight face.





Like I said, he is welcome to try.



LOL, it was the voice of one of fury's assistant speculating not cable explaining anything to surfer. Speculation from a third character and a shared feat makes it invalid for cable. Now what is cable's limit with TK at full power before he gets exhausted? mmm
Apparently sucking a virus from someone's body

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/CD002-20.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/CD002-21.jpg



In an unspecified amount of time and it was mostly surfer dragging cable around the southern pacific ocean, diana fought superman from earth to sun, back to earth and god knows where else in 1 minute 54 second. Go ahead and match their speed.



Correction, cable had enough speed to meet the bullrush of surfer head on who was so fast that beast and domino could point out who was coming clearly. Like I said, speculation from a third character and shared feat make it invalid for cable. Oh and she can't block it with her impenetrable aegis bracers because? You know that telekinetic attack can be blocked by force-fields which is what aegis does when diana crosses her arms, right? She could certainly break through his shields and unlike cable can cross over the globe really easily.

How fast is her reaction time? Here pieces of shattered god attack her from coming from every direction of space, meaning way FTL

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WW194-1.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WW194-2.jpg

How fast you need to be able to block or evade psychic attacks?
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/WebofSpider-Man104-13.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/WebofSpider-Man104-14.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoDeflectPsionic.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/astonishingx-men-003-20.jpg

Yeah, diana has that secured.


CONTINUED

abhilegend
CONTINUED FROM THE PREVIOUS POST.





He wishes.



Better, considering that he has his board broken by firelord
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/Finalsurf3.jpg

Cleaved by terrax

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/silver-surfer-vs-terrax-wallpaper-l.jpg

cleaved by morg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/874532-morg_vs_surfer_super.jpg

while surfer himself was only stunned by a full strike by morg's axe.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/SilverSurferv3071-09.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/SilverSurferv3071-10.jpg

While its a very impressive feat for cable, it isn't anything diana hasn't taken before, when she can only get a bloody nose from a punch like this

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/job40cx.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/job60xb.jpg

So, superman punched her out of the gravity well of sun and crashing on earth at FTL speeds and what did she got? A bloody nose!



Yeah, right. Because diana has never taken hits from people who have better feats of power than keeping an island aloft, right? While he had his powers divided, its a pure speculation how much power he would gain from taking that power back, it might be a huge gain or it might be a small gain in power at the level cable was playing. There isn't much proof to either way, but cable ain't breaking diana's ribs with "power to lift islands".


It is next to useless against diana.


laughing out loud



Telepathy is next to useless against diana. Here she frees another guy from Dr. Psycho's mental control by her lasso

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WWforcesoutDr.jpg

What is so important about this? Its important because her lasso is just a conduit to her innate power

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/jla05413.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/jla05414.jpg

Here she says outright that due to her wisdom and eyes given by gods, max lord's telepathy wouldn't work on her

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWomanv221903.jpg

This is after her eyes were restored by pallas which makes her previous showings against telepaths invalid to use against her.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWomanV2217page19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWomanV2217page20.jpg



He can try to use his full telepathy on her for what its worth. Diana would just ignore it.



Yeah, he can use telepathic blasts all he likes. Not really, the lasso can act like a living object even if diana is koed
http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/WonderWomanV2006-16.jpg
http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/WonderWomanV2006-17.jpg

If diana commands it to not leave her hands which she would do when she would know that cable is a telekinetic, cable can't separate it from her hands.



No, he can't as the lasso would be commanded to not leave her hands.



Illusions are useless for someone who sees through eyes of a god. Dr. psycho has tried to use illusions on her after her eyes are restored and failed miserably. Here she directly sees through her illusions

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/ww-02-017.jpg



Not usable here as its not invisibility with telepathy and its before her eyes were restored by pallas.



They were able to see him.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/CD003-16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/CD003-17.jpg

Diana can certainly see through his illusions.


Not when she would order it to not leave her hands. Fernus beat them off panel with a surprise and then restrained her. Now when she knows what cable can do, he wouldn't have a chance doing it.




laughing out loud


Which would do him no good when diana can just bust through it.



Not gonna happen as the lasso would be ordered to not leave her hands.



Absolutely not.



Not gonna happen, diana has taken better and bounced back right after that.



Cable's telepathy can go suck a dick against diana.






She has many other options too.



Cable has a glass-jaw, which diana is going to break in million pieces.



Half of his powerset is useless against her and the other half is in-sufficient in power to win this match. Diana on the other hand can win this by many options. Wanna know what happened when GOD LIKE cable got hit by normal lightning a helicopter blowing in his face? It knocked his ass out

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/20.jpg

Guess what does aegis pack?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWoman34Page22.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWoman39pg19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWoman39pg20.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/aegislightning.jpg


Conclusion:

Diana whips that ass.

abhilegend
One more scan which I left out by accident and the time limit got expired. This would be considered part of the first post.

Here diana reverses the molecular decay by absorbing the life force from earth

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWomanv24pg12.jpg

Don Corleone
Gentlemen that concludes your first post you still have 9 more should you need it. Very professional start to this championship .

Don Corleone
Just a reminder this thing is over on the 26th .

Who ever wins can help himself to this.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/kmcrvm.jpg

It's by Estacado so pay him respect if you decide on using it.

Existere
Ok guys, sorry that this took so long. I'm not meaning to rush in and post at the last minute - Abhi, feel free to take your time in responding to this. If you agree, we could seek an extension. Two posts each feels pretty measly for the first championship battle, eh?

Anyways, such is life.

Smurph Post 2

Ok, I'm going to break apart the above quote war into what I see as the key points of the match so far:

1. Defense
a) Shields
b) Reaction Speeds

2. Telekinesis

3. Telepathy
a. The Lasso
b. Other resistance

Defensively and offensively, those are what Cable brings to the match and thus gonna be my focus in order to drive home why he's the superior combatant in this battlezone.

Defense


Shields

Here I'm going to cover how Abhi has attempted to simply wave away Cable's defense and why, all in all, the argument he offers is pretty silly.

He argues that Cable would need to pit his shields against a Wonder Woman level brute to show that he has the telekinetic might to hold off a Wonder Woman level brute.

Fact of the matter is, a fully powered Cable is capable of constantly and effortlessly exerting the force required to keep Providence aloft. Literally, the man did this while he was sleeping. He also did this while he exerted the force required to smack Surfer away and break his board.

He also contained the energy from 240 closely grouped missiles and redirected it into the atmosphere. That energy has to have a lot of punch, and it's not unreasonable to think if he can contain all that, he can contain himself, even momentarily, from Diana's fists.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/containmissiles.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/201/containmissiles2.jpg/

We also know he can make shields, and we can see that herald-level shields do in fact cause Diana momentary pause:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWoman019Page11.jpg

And with that scan, one of Abhi's own, this point already becomes useless.

See, the time that Diana takes to bust through a construct or shield is literally all that Cable will need. She can follow through with her punch, and his brain can already be in the middle of TK-striking her face with the same force it took to break Surfer's board- a feat that he accomplished easily, while multi-tasking in a gazillion other ways simultaneously.

Further: Diana having the capacity to break a shield or not isn't super relevant, because literally as soon as her fist passed through it, it would be repaired.

See here:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/zoomvaporize.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/humptydumpty.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/humpydumpty2.jpg/

It's Cable talking about how he's going to piece together again the entire fleet at an atomic level as soon as they fly through it. Abhi would like to dismiss this due to it being 'speculation and a shared feat', but we can see Cable there directly talking about how he's going to perform that feat. Surfer, by the way, says nothing. The only speculation happening in those scans is that Surfer is in any way aiding the process. We know that Cable is doing this (which makes the claim that removing a virus from a person's body had taxed Cable look pretty silly in retrospect).

Cable, incidentally, is also constantly fighting back the techno-organic virus from overtaking his body in every single appearance he has in comics.

Here, Cable's telekinesis was disabled at the beginning of the issue.

Before the end of that single issue, the techno-organic virus in his body has rendered him utterly immobile, and no longer really even humanoid.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/fightto.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/fightto2.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/fightto3.jpg/

In Cable's entire run as a character, he is constantly performing minute, precise and extremely fast manipulation to keep the TO from spreading past his arm.

Again, he shows us that he's capable of performing this manipulation in a high speed battle across the earth to vast structures, repairing massive damage...

And you think that Wonder Woman is going to do any sort of real damage to a shield? To a featureless wall of energy?

Cable will literally repair it as her fingers strike its surface.

Reaction Speeds

The natural reaction to this, and the only avenue Abhi has left, is to argue that Wonder Woman's speed will make a difference here.

Well, I've already shown you that Cable can intercept an attacker at high speeds (dismissed because of dialogue, according to Abhi- because dialogue is never unrealistic in comics, amirite?).

Further, however, I've shown you that Cable can perform vast atomic manipulation and repairs at high speeds while holding a conversation, levitating an island, fighting Surfer and performing vast telepathic feats (to be touched on soon!).

If that's not enough, there's also Cable redirecting a blast of energy as it is inches away from its target.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/444/redirectblast.jpg/

(In that annual, Sinister had temporarily restored Cable's powers and removed the TO virus from his body. The upgrade lasted less than an issue, but Cable was similarly impressive in it).

Finally, we know that Cable can do all this simultaneously while fighting Diana, just as he did more while fighting Surfer. So he can repair his shields, fend her off momentarily, and continue to smack her in the face with enough force to break Surfer's board. smile

Oh and before I move on, I guess I should respond to the red herring about Cable getting 'blitzed'

Originally posted by abhilegend
While we're at it, why don't we see how well cable does against a true blitz

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/cableblitzed.jpg

By someone whose fastest speed while in his suit is 140 MPH.



baka

Nice of you to edit out the rest of the scene. Let's view what happens in context, shall we?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/lansky.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/lansky2.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/lansky3.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/lansky4.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/lansky5.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/lansky6.jpg/

So, with a little reading comprehension, we realize Cable actually goaded the speed-of-light attacker into attacking, as a part of his plan, remained completely unharmed and actually made the man look like a fool. All according to plan. smile

Meanwhile, he showed that he's thinking fast enough to time things according to the fraction of a second and can shrug off a speedblitz.

I'd also say that that feat shown on panel (which I'm guessing you must have read and subsequently avoided showing) is a hell of a lot faster than 140 MPH.

If you're going to misrepresent a feat, you should pull it from something that's not a couple issues behind the one I've been using this entire debate.

baka

Telekinesis

There's not too much to cover here.

Abhi likes to downplay Surfer's board's durability, pointing out that Terrax and Morg have done similar.

Well, Terrax has busted a planet with his axe.

baka

And a strike from Morg's axe? Abhi dismissed it saying it only 'stunned' Surfer.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/SilverSurferv3071-09.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/SilverSurferv3071-10.jpg

Tell me judges, is 'stunned' the word you would use to describe Surfer there?

If you'd like to imagine Cable telekinetically wielding either axe and continuously bashing Wonder Woman in the face with it, I think you might agree that she still wouldn't last very long.

Note that the only breakers of the board besides Cable that Abhi can name are other wielders of the Power Cosmic. Cable was the only one to do it with sheer, unquestionable force.

Awesome.

I also want to quickly touch on the fact that Cable's one of the best precision manipulators at the herald level. I've already gone over various feats with it, but consider that should Diana accomplish any sort of damage to Cable's person, he's already shown that he can a) manipulate and heal his organic body with TK and b) at full power, near-instantaneously perform massive atomic reparation to structures he's never seen before in his life

Healing himself while he smacks her in the face should be cake, considering he did similar to Surfer while make said reparations and levitating an entire island (the force of which, if I hadn't said it enough, would again be his to wield, and would again serve in the beatdown of Diana's domepiece).

However, if all this isn't ludicrous enough as is, smacking around Surfer, making atomic reparations and levitating Providence definitely wasn't all Cable was doing simultaneously. Which brings me to my next category...

Existere
Telepathy

Here I'm going to quickly deconstruct the smoke that Abhi's attempted to throw up regarding the lasso, and then I'll get to Diana's complete lack of other defenses.

Lasso

Ok, so basically what Abhi's tried to say is that Cable can't remove
Diana's lasso because she... commands it otherwise?

Funny how here she must have been commanding it to restrain her as Fernus taunted...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/VsJla13.jpg

Or, you know, when she commanded it to feed Genocide power and nuke a bunch of innocent souls.

Basically, you can interpret that combined with Abhi's defense (claiming that Diana has easy control of the lasso) in two different ways:

Either you can believe that she's controlling the lasso, in which case you have to accept that Fernus is controlling her, as he was the rest of the League...

...or you can believe that she really doesn't have ultimate control of that rope, and you can realize that Cable, being able to touch everything in the room, can easily separate it from her person while he telekinetically slams the force of Providence into her forehead.

Other Resistance

Ok, here's the fun part.

So Abhi has yet to show us Wonder Woman resisting the telepathy of anybody greater than Maxwell Lord - a low herald level telepath at best, whose best feat was taking years to infiltrate the mind of Superman.

Cable? Well, let's say that he's a different story.

I wouldn't put Max Lord above the likes of Emma Frost, a planetary telepath in her own right with one of the five strongest minds on Marvel Earth.

Here, Emma comments that she can barely hold up psionic shields because Cable has telepathically ionized the atmosphere of the entire planet
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/ionizeplanet.jpg/

He's done so in the process of simply listening to the planet's thoughts, without even actively attempting to manipulate a single mind and without giving any real attempt to break shields.

And yet Emma was still cracking like an egg by being simply close to the island that he inhabited.

That's right you guys. Cable simultaneously:

Levitated Providence
Fought Surfer
Instantly atomically repaired everything they passed
Read the minds of the entire planet, telepathically ionizing Earth's atmosphere while doing so

Here he actually talks about how he's constantly soothing the pain of every person on the planet dying of any kind of disease.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/225/soothepain.jpg/

This is what Cable does passively with his telepathic might, without actually using his telepathy as the powerful sledgehammer that it can be.

What I'm getting at with all of this is that Cable is obviously a telepath far out of the league of anybody that Abhi has shown Diana resisting.

I mean, Maxwell Lord and Dr. Psycho? Let's try and avoid a no-limits fallacy here and see the claim that Diana is immune to telepathic tampering backed up.

We know she's been parts of teams that have been repeatedly dominated by Fernus and Despero, and she's held telepathic communication with J'onn in the past. Clearly she's not entirely immune. At best we can say she can see through some illusions or has resistance to her perceptions being bent, but, as I showed, that was utterly useless against Fernus' own invisibility.

Ultra-Humanite directly controlled her mind as well, with the power of Jakeem Thunder's Thunderbolt. Obviously a powerful tool, but the point remains that there is an upper limit to Diana's so-called immunity to mental tampering.

Really, at the end of the day, even if she could see through telepathic illusions and couldn't be mind controlled (big ifs, given the lack of evidence), without outright evidence of immunity to telepathy (which we know she doesn't have, given that she's telepathically communicated with allies in the past), her mind can still be smashed into paste.

Just like Cable will do to her face.

Conclusion

As I've shown, Cable is an absolutely ridiculous multi-tasker with an absolutely ludicrous amount of power at his disposal.

It is clearly within his ability to maintain an actively repair a great number of shields, while driving all his world-ionizing telepathic might into Diana's mind, while smashing Diana's pretty features into the clay they were made from with the combined force that it takes to levitate Providence and break Surfer's board.

He can keep up this assault, being freshly rested (unlike any appearance he's ever had as God-Like Cable), and he can simultaneously choke out Diana with her own lasso.

Finally, he can also repair any damage to his person as quickly as Diana can hope to deliver it.

He has ultimate battlefield control in this match, and Diana, a close-combat competitor, falls prey to somebody with the reach, versatility and assortment of physical and non-physical powers that Cable brings to the table.

Don Corleone
Abhi, you can get 1 last post in . You'll have 48 hours to do so.

Good luck to both you, you're both winners.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Existere
Ok guys, sorry that this took so long. I'm not meaning to rush in and post at the last minute - Abhi, feel free to take your time in responding to this. If you agree, we could seek an extension. Two posts each feels pretty measly for the first championship battle, eh?

Anyways, such is life.

Yeah, tell me about it. No problem buddy.



Abhilegend Post 2



Good.



Good.



If its like your last attempt, I'm not impressed.



I didn't wave away anything at all. That's just a silly thing to say. All I demanded was the proof that cable's autoshields can take the damage diana can dish out and sadly I haven't seen anything that proves me wrong.



Yeah, basically or anything remote to that level of power.



Yeah and? Lifting Islands is all good and dandy but that doesn't holds a candle to autofields that can save someone from black holes and such. Like I said previously, at the level cable was playing lifting islands is no big deal. Here is hercules holding themyscira on his shoulders for thousands of years without any strain.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/th_WWunderTheIsland.jpg

Not to mention that even if we take the notion into account that he can divert all that "Island holding power" to his auto-shields, it wouldn't hold to this kind of power.

Superman has hit konvickt with punches to shatter small planets and had no effect on him

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/th_trinity05a.jpg

While diana with just one punch knocks the wind out of konvickt

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/th_755504-trinity_05_2008cbr_8_super.jpg

Like I said cable even in this imaginary scenario that he would just divert all that "Island lifting power" diverted to his auto-shields is going to cause any problem against diana.





http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/containmissiles.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/201/containmissiles2.jpg/
Yeah, you just forgot to add that it was having a major toll on cable and his nose was bleeding as an aftereffect after funneling the energy

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/th_cablebleed.jpg

Also, if containing some missiles can take its toll on cable, then diana's punches are sure gonna overload him.



Whoa, whoa, whoa since when do we start to give herald level credits to shields like that. Two rookie gls survived a star going nova and a black hole and they are hardly a mid herald bunch of characters. In fact a single random kryptonian has broke the auto-shields of both hal and john and they have high herald level shields.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/03.jpg

So unless, you have something more substantial than he's going to divert his "Island lifting power" to his shields and hope that diana's planetary level strength doesn't break it like an egg shell. Because force-fields better than cable's force-fields get broken by people at or below diana's strength level.



She can easily deflect his telekinetic punches with her bracers which have done things like these

Deflecting the combined power of entire greek pantheon

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWomanV2021-19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/WonderWomanV2021-20.jpg

Nekron's power

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/wwwitchfirenekron38ev.jpg

A quantum zealot's power

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/wonder-woman-saves-the-day.jpg

How powerful are quantum zealots? Here one of them pwns 5-d imps

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/JLAHeavensLadderp036.jpg

I've already shown that deflecting or evading a psychic attack isn't hard at all.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/WebofSpider-Man104-13.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/WebofSpider-Man104-14.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoDeflectPsionic.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/astonishingx-men-003-20.jpg

On the other hand all diana has to do is to either shoots a lightning from his bracers or simply just punch him. Seriously cable had terrible durability during that phase. Take a look

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/Cabledurabilitysucks1.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/battlezone/Cabledurabilitysucks2.jpg



I already said that it is invalid due to speculation from a third character and being a shared feat.



Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that. Anyone who has a brain and can read properly can see that it was a commentary by fury and his assistant and by previous proof that removing a virus from a person's body which we clearly see on panel that cable is incapable of such a large scale matter manipulation. Are we really going to prove that surfer had nothing to do with it because he didn't speak? The on panel commentary which is our only proof "suggests" that THEY are doing it. Like I previously said, its unusable for cable as his solo feat.

CONTINUED

abhilegend

abhilegend

abhilegend

Don Corleone
Thank you very much gentlemen that concludes our Mid Herald Championship match . I'll pm the judges so they can start they can get in their votes. Good luck once again.

Placidity
Wow, I thought that was a very nice first round. Shorter post limits are a good idea I think, long-winded battles make people lose interest.

Anyway, I was very impressed by the Cable that Existere presented, but I think abhilegend soundly responded to all of his points and convinced me Wonder Woman would inevitably win. In fact, I'm starting to Wonder (smile) if this was a fair fight at all, maybe WW should be a high herald, her high end feats were far more impressive than Cables. Abhilegend did a good job of questioning the durability of the shields using various comparisons, a point which Existere did not successfully rescue IMO.

I think both defended their champions as well as they could've given the post limit and how the exchange was going. I think abhilegend is going to win.

Good luck to both.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Placidity
Wow, I thought that was a very nice first round. Shorter post limits are a good idea I think, long-winded battles make people lose interest.

Anyway, I was very impressed by the Cable that Existere presented, but I think abhilegend soundly responded to all of his points and convinced me Wonder Woman would inevitably win. In fact, I'm starting to Wonder (smile) if this was a fair fight at all, maybe WW should be a high herald, her high end feats were far more impressive than Cables. Abhilegend did a good job of questioning the durability of the shields using various comparisons, a point which Existere did not successfully rescue IMO.

I think both defended their champions as well as they could've given the post limit and how the exchange was going. I think abhilegend is going to win.

Good luck to both.

Glad you enjoyed it and remember it's just the start. Hopefully we'll have many more matches like this in the near future.

The small post count was done so that anybody experienced or not could compete in this.

Digi
Will vote over the weekend.

JakeTheBank
I'll have my vote in by tonight.

Good match, guys. thumb up

Gecko4lif
I believe wonder woman has edged out cable in this outing

Digi
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I believe wonder woman has edged out cable in this outing

You're a judge, you know. Is this a vote?

Gecko4lif
Indeed it is

Galan007
My vote goes to Smurph.

Abhil did an excellent job. Excellent. In the end, though, this is why I chose Smurph...

-Shielding. While I believe Dianna could eventually break through Cable's shields, I do not believe she could do so before Cable went the 'mind-phuckery' route. She broke through a GL's construct-shielding, yes. However, breaking through said shielding took multiple blows. I believe Cable's shields could hold up equally as long... And for the record, I don't think we ever saw Dianna break through GL auto-shielding in those scans (a GL's manifested constructs =/= the auto-shields the ring itself produces.)

-Speed. I saw evidence pertaining to how uber Dianna's travel speed was. I saw no evidence that led me to believe her battle speed would be sufficient to overwhelm Cable before he preformed mind-phuckery. Tbh, the fact that he was able to compete with Surfer on fairly equal terms (while also weaker than normal do to preforming other esoteric tasks simultaneously) is proof enough that Cable would have no problems keeping up with Dianna in a battle.

-Telepathy/telekinesis. Considering the above, I saw no full-proof plan regarding how Dianna would get around these abilities. She isn't mind-phuck-proof (and Cable is one of the best telepaths in comics)--and the fact that Cable was able to, so effortlessly, shatter Surfer's board, certainly makes me believe his amped blows would harm Dianna extensively, IF he opted to throw fisticuffs.


Sorry if there are any spelling errors. Typing this shit on an iphone isn't easy. embarrasment

abhilegend
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Galan007
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abhilegend
^Ok.

Digi
I edited that exchange there for fairness reasons. Scans after the whistle and whatnot. I can put them back in if Don or the other judges feel strongly about it.

Otherwise, no harm, no foul. We've all been tempted to do the same in our matches.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Digi
I edited that exchange there for fairness reasons. Scans after the whistle and whatnot. I can put them back in if Don or the other judges feel strongly about it.

Otherwise, no harm, no foul. We've all been tempted to do the same in our matches.

I got here late and could not see it. If it has anything to do with a disagreement because of a judges decision I do not want to see it.

Tell you guy's the truth the part of the voting process is almost as exciting as the matches. All tide up 1 a piece !

JakeTheBank
Write up coming up in a few mins.

JakeTheBank
This was a pretty good debate, so I want to personally congratulate both Existere and Abhil for doing a good job making their case. I like to rant and talk a bit, so excuse me if my vote isn't brief enough. stick out tongue

Now, Cable vs. Wonder Woman is an intriguing match because both these characters could not be more different than one another for their respective Mid-Herald Tiers. This match is made all the more interesting because you have two debaters who know their shit when it comes to each character.

One thing that I liked from Existere's posts is that he was able to show me the level of precision and control Cable had. Multitasking and the like while dealing with arguably one of - if not the - top high herald in Marvel in the form of ol' Norrin Radd. Being able to fight, even in the form of an ultimately losing battle against the Surfer, is a good feat. Being able to do that while performing everything else at the same Cable was doing is pretty absurd, all things considered. Considering that in this fight, Cable has no need to split his attention while fighting Wonder Woman, that's a strong advantage I personally don't think Abhil properly countered or deconstructed here.

On the other hand, Abhil made a strong case concerning the sheer raw physical might of Diana, who's a solid level below the likes of Superman and able to give him and other "elites" a strong physical fight. He was definitely capable of bringing some points to light such as Cable's default durability outside of his shields. Should Diana breach them, I'd confident Nate wouldn't be able to endure a full powered punch from the Amazon.

But could she breach them to begin with?

This is ultimately something I wasn't convinced with utmost certainty. Given time, I'm positive she could, but Existere made a lot of strong points showing that Cable wouldn't give her that time. Cable's versatility and ability to do a laundry list of things at once while fighting an opponent was a point that Abhil dismissed, but didn't outright counter, imo. Granted, levitating a massive landmass and repairing structures and reading minds of the planet doesn't matter in terms of this fight as there's no reason for him to even attempt those things, but the fact that Cable was able to do those things while during a fight leads me to believe that should he focus all of his effort on his opponent as he would here, things would simply look progressively bad for Diana.

I certainly don't think Cable would have an easy time besting Wonder Woman, but Existere proved to me that he'd eventually overwhelm Diana with a multitude of different options where as Diana is limited in comparison. Ultimately, I have to give him the vote. Tough, tough match up. thumb up to the both of you.

Placidity
Time to Put On my Batman cape.

The Score:

Galan - Cable
Jake - Cable
Gecko4lif - Wonder Woman

Would've predicted these easily too btw stick out tongue

Predictions:

Digi - Cable (90-100%)
Blair - Wonder Woman ( 60%)

Bad Luck Abhi

abhilegend
Originally posted by Placidity
Time to Put On my Batman cape.

The Score:

Galan - Cable
Jake - Cable
Gecko4lif - Wonder Woman

Would've predicted these easily too btw stick out tongue

Predictions:

Digi - Cable (90-100%)
Blair - Wonder Woman ( 60%)

Bad Luck Abhi
No problem to me man. This was my first match and apparently I didn't do too bad against a forum veteran. Win and loss hardly matter in such kind of debates.

Digi
...should probably keep predictions out of official matches. The judges, mods, and participants rule should still be in affect.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Digi
...should probably keep predictions out of official matches. The judges, mods, and participants rule should still be in affect.

Agreed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No problem to me man. This was my first match and apparently I didn't do too bad against a forum veteran. Win and loss hardly matter in such kind of debates.

Don't sell yourself short there are still 2 more votes to go and I think you did an excellent job. Anybody can win.

Blair Wind
I'll have my vote in by tonight.

Blair Wind
The match up is between superior physical stats/magical equipment and versatility in psi-powers. Wonder Woman is obviously more powerful in a physical sense. Her speed, strength, durability, and magical equipment give her an underrated edge in most battles. However, I do believe that Cable's force-fields and 360 degree control of objects through telekinesis is a major point to this battle. I will concede that his telepathy isuseless with WW's Pallas upgrades (Athena gave Wonder Woman her vision - basically no mind phucking of any kind will happen).

However, WW is a close combat fighter. Her only ranged attacks are her Tiara throw and her Aegis lightning. Her tiara would almost definitely tear through Cable's forcefield but I believe that while it might tear through a wall of force, it can be re-directed if pushed from the side. Her lightning won't do much against his forcefields. She has to be able to break past his force-fields to actually be able to fight the man she is clearly physically superior to - the main question becomes can she do it before he telekinetically slices off her head?

This becomes especially relevant when you take into account the fact that during his fight with Silver Surfer he was holding up an entire island in the sky (and the Namor examples do not fly with me as it's supported by a large body of water - meaning he was not the only thing keeping the island afloat. The buoyancy issue only meant that it was not stable, part of it was sinking. He kept that part up.) So, taking into considering that a large portion of Cable's power is now freed up to do damage, I can see him TK striking WW with a ton of force. And being that he can do it omni-directionally, I see him striking her from behind, slicing her head off - because TK is nothing you can physically/mentally see. Just because Spiderman dodged Moondragon's mental blast (btw, Spidey has Spider Sense - WW doesn't have that) does not mean that anyone can dodge an invisible force.

However, and this was the point I had the most trouble on - I've seen the lasso do incredible things. Often it is the easiest and simplest things that would have netted you the win: If Abhi had talked more about encasing Cable, inside his forcefield, with the lasso I might have been inclined to give him the win - because then Cable's powers would have basically been nullified. She would have nullified his powers, contained him, and mind controlled the mind controller. Instead Abhi went for a brute force attack against Cable's TK, from which he can use to attack at any angle.

In my opinion, that leads to her death. Existere gets my vote.

Originally posted by Placidity
Predictions:

Digi - Cable (90-100%)
Blair - Wonder Woman ( 60%)

Bad Luck Abhi

Let's play poker sometime smile

Digi
I was just popping on to read and vote. I will give it a look-through anyway.

Don Corleone
I will respect Digi's vote. After that I will coronate our new champion.

Digi
Blah, stuff got busy. I will still vote tonight. At least I'm not keeping anyone in suspense. wink

Don Corleone
Originally posted by Digi
Blah, stuff got busy. I will still vote tonight. At least I'm not keeping anyone in suspense. wink

You're delaying smurph's coronation. stick out tongue

Digi
Ok.

To say that Smurph did a better job debating, and I believe he did, is no insult to Abhi. If this is your first KMC tourney-style match - and I think I remember you saying it is - it's better than 90% of the debuts others have had.

However, I'm voting for Abhilegend. Why? Smurph was fighting an uphill battle imo. He picked a character with variable power levels and not a ton of time at the apex of his power. Abhi had a lot more raw material to draw from, since Diana is the older character and has stayed fairly consistent in portrayals. Abhi didn't do anything unexpected, but also didn't shoot himself in the foot and did a good job showing what Diana is capable of, which was enough in my eyes.

The gambit that is a telepath at this power level also did Smurph no favors, so it wasn't an easy matchup for him. The fact that I was siding with Cable briefly is a testament to your ability to squeeze the most out of the character. Judges tend to side with the best in-thread arguments, usually with good reason, but occasionally matches can be won in the draft room.

Would liked to have seen a few things though. One, at least a couple more posts from each. I felt like I was still in the "see-saw" early stages of fighting when each post sways me back and forth, before I can form a coherent opinion that is less susceptible to individual posts. Second, no ABC logic (Abhi). Watch yourself there, it usually doesn't stick. Third, discussion on some of the old scans Abhi used, which may have been able to be disqualified on grounds of continuity.

Vote to Abhi, but grats to Smurph. You earned the win, and I thought did more with a slightly less powerful character.

Don Corleone
I'd like to thank everyone that came together to create this battlezone.

Digi, jake, Galan, Blair , and Gecko thank you for your expert analysis of this very hard to judge match. I'm just glad I wasn't a judge because this match was very close and too hard to pick out a clear winner.

Smurph and Abhil I thought both of you did an excellent job and set the standard of what it takes to come in here and win a belt.

Abhil , you where sensational ! Never did I think going into this match you were such a good debater ( I better watch out in the vs. forum). My hat's off to you man. Keep up doing what you're doing and I'm sure you'll have a title in no time.

Smurph , once again you've proven that you are the best of the best. Top 1% in KMC in terms of debating. Congratulations man you are KMC'S Mid Herald Champion . Here'e a little something the gang over at Team Authority made for you.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/kmcrvm.jpg

Enjoy champ !

Don Corleone
Now that this is over , anyone from the forum is welcome to give their thoughts on this match.

leonidas
i think it was very well done. not entirely sure who i would have voted for tbh. i think maybe more posts would have helped solidify things for me in one direction or the other.

smurph is among the class of kmc and was likely the huge favorite going in. drafting one of the best in the tier also didn't hurt. stick out tongue

i've had reason to come to know abhi is distinguishing himself as a very good debater as well. don't know of anyone in the forum who can bring scans to bear like he can in a debate. VERY impressive and very knowledgeable and fun to debate against. he made a great first showing here.

all told, i think it went very well for the first event. great idea jake and well run by don. kudos gents.

Don Corleone
Originally posted by leonidas
i think it was very well done. not entirely sure who i would have voted for tbh. i think maybe more posts would have helped solidify things for me in one direction or the other.

smurph is among the class of kmc and was likely the huge favorite going in. drafting one of the best in the tier also didn't hurt. stick out tongue

i've had reason to come to know abhi is distinguishing himself as a very good debater as well. don't know of anyone in the forum who can bring scans to bear like he can in a debate. VERY impressive and very knowledgeable and fun to debate against. he made a great first showing here.

all told, i think it went very well for the first event. great idea jake and well run by don. kudos gents.

This was my idea. I asked Jake to co-host so the show would never stop. Glad you liked it man ! smile

leonidas
Originally posted by Don Corleone
This was my idea.! smile

ah, my bad then. had it crossed with that other bz event jake was trying to throw together. regardless. it's cool and hopefully it will pan out.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Don Corleone
I'd like to thank everyone that came together to create this battlezone.

Digi, jake, Galan, Blair , and Gecko thank you for your expert analysis of this very hard to judge match. I'm just glad I wasn't a judge because this match was very close and too hard to pick out a clear winner.

Smurph and Abhil I thought both of you did an excellent job and set the standard of what it takes to come in here and win a belt.

Abhil , you where sensational ! Never did I think going into this match you were such a good debater ( I better watch out in the vs. forum). My hat's off to you man. Keep up doing what you're doing and I'm sure you'll have a title in no time.

Smurph , once again you've proven that you are the best of the best. Top 1% in KMC in terms of debating. Congratulations man you are KMC'S Mid Herald Champion . Here'e a little something the gang over at Team Authority made for you.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/kmcrvm.jpg

Enjoy champ ! mmm

abhilegend
Originally posted by Don Corleone
I'd like to thank everyone that came together to create this battlezone.

Digi, jake, Galan, Blair , and Gecko thank you for your expert analysis of this very hard to judge match. I'm just glad I wasn't a judge because this match was very close and too hard to pick out a clear winner.

Smurph and Abhil I thought both of you did an excellent job and set the standard of what it takes to come in here and win a belt.

Abhil , you where sensational ! Never did I think going into this match you were such a good debater ( I better watch out in the vs. forum). My hat's off to you man. Keep up doing what you're doing and I'm sure you'll have a title in no time.

Smurph , once again you've proven that you are the best of the best. Top 1% in KMC in terms of debating. Congratulations man you are KMC'S Mid Herald Champion . Here'e a little something the gang over at Team Authority made for you.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/paladin_04/kmcrvm.jpg

Enjoy champ ! Originally posted by leonidas
i think it was very well done. not entirely sure who i would have voted for tbh. i think maybe more posts would have helped solidify things for me in one direction or the other.

smurph is among the class of kmc and was likely the huge favorite going in. drafting one of the best in the tier also didn't hurt. stick out tongue

i've had reason to come to know abhi is distinguishing himself as a very good debater as well. don't know of anyone in the forum who can bring scans to bear like he can in a debate. VERY impressive and very knowledgeable and fun to debate against. he made a great first showing here.

all told, i think it went very well for the first event. great idea jake and well run by don. kudos gents.
Thanks for the support. I'm just glad I didn't made a fool of myself in my first tourney. See you guys in the next match.

dmills
Just read through it all. Great job gentlemen!

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