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Who can defeat him at best ? One on one battle only no group battles.

Pre-retcon Beyonder? (If he first uses his omnipotence to make himself more intelligent)

1. The Presance from DC comics

2. Elaine Belloc she became like the presance.

3. The Greast Beast from the swamp thing comics because he was like the brother to the presance.

Originally posted by TheMask
1. The Presance from DC comics

2. Elaine Belloc she became like the presance.

3. The Greast Beast from the swamp thing comics because he was like the brother to the presance. Thanos destroys them all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos destroys them all. Based on?





























yeah I pulled a quanchi on you quan

Originally posted by Reacting2
Based on?





























yeah I pulled a quanchi on you quan Absorbs the presence and outright stomps Elaine through sheer power.

Anything equal to the presence is less than the heart of the infinite imo.

Yeah quanchi cause you have so much proof right? All these things are DC and your saying they all are subject to Marvel rules wow your out of your mind as always.

Thanos dies here get over it and go home and do something constructive with your life instead of worshipping thanos.

Originally posted by TheMask
Yeah quanchi cause you have so much proof right? All these things are DC and your saying they all are subject to Marvel rules wow your out of your mind as always.

Thanos dies here get over it and go home and do something constructive with your life instead of worshipping thanos. The presence exists in all of dc's creation while Thanos easily absorbs all of creation which he's done on panel.

Squirrel Girl still could

Originally posted by quanchi112
The presence exists in all of dc's creation while Thanos easily absorbs all of creation which he's done on panel. so thanos with HOTU is above god? I mean like the primal monitor?

Originally posted by Reacting2
so thanos with HOTU is above god? I mean like the primal monitor? Thanos' supreme power has the goods and the capabilities to stop dc's supreme being. Primal Monitor didn't display anything close to the heart of the infinite on panel.

People need to stop with some of this bias. The Presence is God in the DCU. And since God would have to be beyond universal/multiversal constraints in order to create the universe/multiverse, those universal/multiversal rules don't apply. This means The Presence and TOAA are above the HOTU and IG in any universe.

This isn't just from this thread, but a few others. The best way to think of things is that The Presence and TOAA as being one, but different for each universe.

It's nice to stick up for your favorite character, but my patience with some people is about taxed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' supreme power has the goods and the capabilities to stop dc's supreme being. Primal Monitor didn't display anything close to the heart of the infinite on panel. ofcourse he didnt but on implied power he is way superior to the HOTU, HOTU is just a germ to him right?

of course not the presance only created beings like the spector, nekron, thunderbolt, the source, Lucifer morningstar, Micheal, and every single other character in DC.

Yeah your right as usual thats not impressive.

Originally posted by Reacting2
ofcourse he didnt but on implied power he is way superior to the HOTU, HOTU is just a germ to him right? No.

the beast being equal to that is also not impressive and elain also being equal to that is also not impressive

Originally posted by quanchi112
No. why not, the universe/multiverse was/is a germ to him

Originally posted by Reacting2
why not, the universe/multiverse was/is a germ to him Supreme power is not a germ to him.

Just ignore quanchi he thinks that thanos can beat the guys i just mentioned even with out the HOTU right quan?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supreme power is not a germ to him. well in that case any Writer(Stan lee) is above HOTU, there I win

Originally posted by Badabing
People need to stop with some of this bias. The Presence is God in the DCU. And since God would have to be beyond universal/multiversal constraints in order to create the universe/multiverse, those universal/multiversal rules don't apply. This means The Presence and TOAA are above the HOTU and IG in any universe.

This isn't just from this thread, but a few others. The best way to think of things is that The Presence and TOAA as being one, but different for each universe.

It's nice to stick up for your favorite character, but my patience with some people is about taxed.

see quan? He's above the HOTU so is elain cause she was the presance so was the great beast cause he was like the anti presance.

Originally posted by Reacting2
well in that case any Writer(Stan lee) is above HOTU, there I win I don't debate real life people versus fictional characters.

God / TOAA / Presence

That's it.

Thanos eats the rest, including Pre-Retcon Beyounder.

Fred Hembeck could beat Thanos(HOTU)

TOAA,Presence,Primal Monitor,Mandrak and PR Beyonder..

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
God / TOAA / Presence

That's it.

Thanos eats the rest, including Pre-Retcon Beyounder.

Great beast is the Presance evil brother

Originally posted by TheMask
Great beast is the Presance evil brother Who is their dad? Primal Monitor?

Just to note: Thanos did not absorb all of creation. Death and Adam Warlock both left the multiverse and escaped Thanos. Thanos clearly lacked omniscience as he didn't know about it until Adam Warlock came back.

Who created the gems?

Originally posted by carver9
Who created the gems? Batman.

Squirrel Girl 10/10

The supreme being of DC (in-universe) stalemates THOTI.
(if that's the Presence, then so be it)

In Marvel, only Classic Beyonder either stalemates or wins. (it's a debate)

Anything below gets stomped.

That aside:

TOAA & the Presence are nothing alike.

If I had to pin someone to stalemate TOAA in DC,
it would be the Morrison avatar in Animal Man,
or any other representative avatars of the writers/artists.

That's what TOAA is in Marvel.

Originally posted by Cogito


Death and Adam Warlock both left the multiverse and escaped Thanos.

Thanos clearly lacked omniscience
as he didn't know about it until Adam Warlock came back.
That's not exactly accurate good friend.

Adam & Death didn't "escape."

Adam wasn't absorbed due to him being outside the influence of space-time,
and also because he's intrinsically part, and yet apart from reality.
Thanos literally explained that "This saved you" to Adam.
Although Thanos also told him he could wipe him out right there on the spot.
Adam explained,
Thanos wouldn't do that,
cause he would want a witness for his grand gesture. (re-creating everything)

That aside, the second Adam appeared Thanos instantly knew where Adam was and what he was doing before Warlock told him.

It's just that Thanos absorbed all of space-time in a frenzy,
and since Adam is special, he would've had to single him out to join the absorption.

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Death on the other hand is also apparently not affected by space-time's demise.

I remember one of her alternates surviving after their respective universe was erased.

On the other hand Starlin used the reasoning of her existing outside reality.

Imo, Starlin simply had his most attached characters to Thanos (Adam & Death)
be part of the dramatic crescendo.

Which is:

Adam talking Thanos into re-creating all reality.

Death giving Thanos what he always wanted, her attentive affection via a kiss.

@ Mr. M, Thanks for saving me the trouble of correcting his lies.

You do know Mr M that a moderator says that The Presance is already above HOTU right? and the great beast is equal to the presance and elaine bulloc is also equal right. The only reason she couldnt fight the presance is cause she was one of his creations.

Originally posted by Badabing
People need to stop with some of this bias. The Presence is God in the DCU. And since God would have to be beyond universal/multiversal constraints in order to create the universe/multiverse, those universal/multiversal rules don't apply. This means The Presence and TOAA are above the HOTU and IG in any universe.

This isn't just from this thread, but a few others. The best way to think of things is that The Presence and TOAA as being one, but different for each universe.

It's nice to stick up for your favorite character, but my patience with some people is about taxed.

Bada in another thread there is a scan where an angel of creation who would thus be an agent of god indicates there are forces even outside of creation....

Is it really so wrong to think that even in dc the presence isn't the greatest threat when Angels refer to threats outside of creation.

Originally posted by Badabing
Batman.

Wrong. It was Alfred.

Originally posted by rotiart
Bada in another thread there is a scan where an angel of creation who would thus be an agent of god indicates there are forces even outside of creation....

Is it really so wrong to think that even in dc the presence isn't the greatest threat when Angels refer to threats outside of creation.

Perhaps he knows that BUT he still knows that the presance is above the HOTU.

Originally posted by TheMask
You do know Mr M that a moderator says that The Presance is already above HOTU right? and the great beast is equal to the presance and elaine bulloc is also equal right. The only reason she couldnt fight the presance is cause she was one of his creations. You already have my opinion on the matter, kiddo.

Correct your OPINION which as we know your opinion is about as worthless as a rock in a foodbank.

Originally posted by TheMask
Correct your OPINION which as we know your opinion is about as worthless as a rock in a foodbank. Let it go, kid. Let the rage go.

I dont have no rage. I just love making a fool out of you actually you do a fine job of it yourself.

Originally posted by TheMask
I dont have no rage. I just love making a fool out of you actually you do a fine job of it yourself. You really are kinda obsessed with me though. I mean the pms and all.

Originally posted by TheMask

You do know Mr M that a moderator says that The Presance is already above HOTU right?

And?

I respect the kmc mods, and I especially like the commentator you're referring too.

Although,
since when did the opinion of kmc mods
supersede the established understanding that Marvel & DC have put put on panel?

Marvel has even further corroborated said understanding in their Handbooks?

In Marvel (on panel) TOAA
and the true "god" of DC (on panel)
are the representative avatars of the writers/artists of any given story.

Simple.

TOAA and it's DC counterpart shouldn't be used in vs debates,
because everything within the Marvel and DC Omniverses
is nothing but ink and paper to them, including the Presence and the HOTI.

(within) the Marvel and DC Omniverse canon continuity:

On panel, the supreme power in Marvel was/is the "Heart of the Infinite."

On Panel, the supreme power in DC is the "Presence" or the "PM."

Simple.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And?

I respect the kmc mods, and I especially like the commentator you're referring too.

Although,
since when did the opinion of kmc mods
supersede the established understanding that Marvel & DC have put put on panel?

Marvel has even further corroborated said understanding in their Handbooks?

In Marvel (on panel) TOAA
and the true "god" of DC (on panel)
are the representative avatars of the writers/artists of any given story.

Simple.

TOAA and it's DC counterpart shouldn't be used in vs debates,
because everything within the Marvel and DC Omniverses
is nothing but ink and paper to them, including the Presence and the HOTI.

(within) the Marvel and DC Omniverse canon continuity:

On panel, the supreme power in Marvel was/is the "Heart of the Infinite."

On Panel, the supreme power in DC is the "Presence" or the "PM."

Simple.
Actually you're right. Hotu and One above all,which are the same, would destroy the preseance. Why because it was stated that the preseance came into existance at the beginning of time and he himself hinted at a higher power. while the one above all was always the alpha and omega. in the name of the one above all, hotu and infinty gems Amen. -_-

Pre-retcon Beyonder could overpower him.

Squirrel Girl by plot device.

What about WF Mxy?

Originally posted by Hulkbuster1

Hotu and One above all, which are the same
Actually friend:
Originally posted by Mr Master

TOAA and it's DC counterpart shouldn't be used in vs debates,
because everything within the Marvel and DC Omniverses
is nothing but ink and paper to them, including the Presence and the HOTI.

(within) the Marvel and DC Omniverse canon continuity:

On panel, the supreme power in Marvel was/is the "Heart of the Infinite."

On Panel, the supreme power in DC is the "Presence" or the "PM."

Simple.

I think the Presance would win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really are kinda obsessed with me though. I mean the pms and all.

Sir I pm you with one post and you send me back 3 who's really obsessed here?

Originally posted by TheMask
Sir I pm you with one post and you send me back 3 who's really obsessed here? I pmed you once for every pm you sent me save one.

PR-Beyonder
Primal Monitor
Presence
TOAA
WF Mxy
CA Superman
Brothers (DC vs Marvel)
Lucifer & Michael

should beat or stalemate the HOTU

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
PR-Beyonder
Primal Monitor
Presence
TOAA
WF Mxy
CA Superman
Brothers (DC vs Marvel)
Lucifer & Michael

should beat or stalemate the HOTU

What do you have to laugh about quanchi? You think that Lucifer Morningstar would lose to thanos even if thanos had no upgrades such as the IG or HOTU. Your a joke.

Originally posted by TheMask
What do you have to laugh about quanchi? You think that Lucifer Morningstar would lose to thanos even if thanos had no upgrades such as the IG or HOTU. Your a joke. Your grammar is a joke. Quit going off topic, sport.

Classic Beyonder for me, it would be epic!! But most likely it will end in a stalemate at best

On topic? You mean like in solar vs thanos? Is that what you mean by on topic why didnt you stfu and go on topic then you and your boyfriend nihilist? The topic was settled anyway Thanos dies. As for your ability to reason that topic was settled also your a nutjob.

Originally posted by TheMask
What do you have to laugh about quanchi? You think that Lucifer Morningstar would lose to thanos even if thanos had no upgrades such as the IG or HOTU. Your a joke.

Don't take him seriously, no one does. He is quite fanatic and delusional about everything concerning Thanos and he admitted he is biased against DC and Superman. Forget him, he isn't worth the time or the effort .

Originally posted by Badabing
People need to stop with some of this bias. The Presence is God in the DCU. And since God would have to be beyond universal/multiversal constraints in order to create the universe/multiverse, those universal/multiversal rules don't apply. This means The Presence and TOAA are above the HOTU and IG in any universe.

This isn't just from this thread, but a few others. The best way to think of things is that The Presence and TOAA as being one, but different for each universe.

It's nice to stick up for your favorite character, but my patience with some people is about taxed.

OBJECTION! Based on what I Seen and heard the presence is below one above all. why? because he was 'created' at beginning of time and I thought I read that he mentions a greater power than him that he answer to or something like that. Hotu is basically all the powers allowed and granted by one above all. Thanos use heart of the universe and destroyed everything:living tribunal,galactius and even all of reality/multiverse itself. one above allowed him to do this so that he may learn a leason which he did since after a while he restored reality. as for the lesson he learn I guess it dealt with either lonelyness or that ruling nothing is boring.
referance: marvel database heart of universe...The moar you learn. marvel ftw

All evidence points to Loeb. He and only he has the power to do it.


Maybe Cho could stalemate Thanos, if given enough grapes and a brand new iPhone 4GS.

TOAA and Presence are the only two. We'll never know about the Primal Monitor.