Celestial vs Watchers

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PillarofOsiris
Against an "average" Celestial, how many Watchers would it take to win a majority against it? 1? 5? 100? More? What do you guys think?

janus77
It'd have to be at least a Maradona (2 Watchers), imo.

Sundipped
No telling how many 1 Celestial can obliterate.
Look how easy this was.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11866143_87525_celwat8_122_122lo.JPG

guy222
poor watchers

zopzop
Originally posted by Sundipped
No telling how many 1 Celestial can obliterate.
Look how easy this was.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11866143_87525_celwat8_122_122lo.JPG

That entire arc was shit. God how I hate the FF series sometimes.

A far more interesting take on the Celestial/Watcher power difference :
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1059/woez.th.jpg

Watchers : If the Prime Celestial Host can't do anything, woe unto us.

That basically said it all. Celestials > Watchers.

quanchi112
Celestials stomp.

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by Sundipped
No telling how many 1 Celestial can obliterate.
Look how easy this was.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11866143_87525_celwat8_122_122lo.JPG

I'm not sure that counts as an "average" celestial in terms of power. Didnt a watcher give Galactus a fight once?

quanchi112
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I'm not sure that counts as an "average" celestial in terms of power. Didnt a watcher give Galactus a fight once? Abc logic. Laughs.

Sundipped
Originally posted by zopzop
That entire arc was shit. God how I hate the FF series sometimes.

A far more interesting take on the Celestial/Watcher power difference :
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1059/woez.th.jpg

Watchers : If the Prime Celestial Host can't do anything, woe unto us.

That basically said it all. Celestials > Watchers.

Good so we're on the same page.
I know you hated the arc but my scene was more interesting though. smile

Exitar actively displaying on panel how far beyond they are.

Black bolt z
Originally posted by zopzop
That entire arc was shit. God how I hate the FF series sometimes.

A far more interesting take on the Celestial/Watcher power difference :
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1059/woez.th.jpg

Watchers : If the Prime Celestial Host can't do anything, woe unto us.

That basically said it all. Celestials > Watchers. To be fair that was Exitar, not the average celestial.

zopzop
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Didnt a watcher give Galactus a fight once?

When did this happen in 616 reality? I know that in various What If and Alternate Realities a Watcher (usually Uatu and one time Ecce) has thrown down against Galactus. But those are What Ifs and Alt Realities and don't count for anything 616 power level wise.

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by zopzop
When did this happen in 616 reality? I know that in various What If and Alternate Realities a Watcher (usually Uatu and one time Ecce) has thrown down against Galactus. But those are What Ifs and Alt Realities and don't count for anything 616 power level wise.

That's what I was asking. I remember seeing it online, but I guess it might have been the what if you mentioned.

Sundipped
Yeah non cannon.
Big G actually consumed his energy.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11866251_whatifv24136fu5.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11866249_whatifv24137zl8.jpg

zopzop
Originally posted by Sundipped
Yeah non cannon.
Big G actually consumed his energy.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11866251_whatifv24136fu5.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11866249_whatifv24137zl8.jpg

There was another encounter in a What If, the 200th issue. This time Uatu won, but since these are all alt realities..... stick out tongue

Hyperion Prime
Originally posted by quanchi112
Celestials stomp.

WTF???? You didn't even answer the OP question! confused

guy222
watchers' power pales in comparsion to celestials

its simple

Colossus-Big C
Exitar solos

Utrigita
A single Watcher vs a single Celestial, will imo lead to a win for the Celestial eventually. What I however would like to point out is that it toke Exitar eons to built up the energy required to slay The One. So I think ultimately that the Celestial and the Watcher are closer then people think. Also remember that the Watchers so far are the only race that have survived the fourth Host giving them a thumb down. Repelling the Fourth Host is no small feat.

Mr Master
Originally posted by zopzop

When did this happen in 616 reality?

I know that in various What If and Alternate Realities a Watcher (usually Uatu and one time Ecce) has thrown down against Galactus.

But those are What Ifs and Alt Realities and don't count for anything 616 power level wise.
Hey there good friend.

A little clarification, the Ecce fight was not a What if.

It was a standalone Marvel titled story. (9 issues the arc expanded)

It was 616 Galactus in the future, (100 million years from now)
by then he had uber cosmic scale energy contained from the years of consumption.

Big G and Ecce destroyed all reality in their battle, finally Galactus won and Ecce died.

Then Galactus created the next Marvel Universe by ripping his chest open
which poured out of him big bang style.

*note

The point of the story was Byrne introducing Galactus great purpose in Marvel,
aside from balancing it with his existence,
which is to re-create the Marvel Universe
with the energy he consumes across his life-time.

That aside, while this was 616 Galactus' future self,
like all Timelines outside the present,
it did take place in an alternate reality.

That is, another potential future. smile

basilisk
Originally posted by zopzop
That entire arc was shit. God how I hate the FF series sometimes.

A far more interesting take on the Celestial/Watcher power difference :
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1059/woez.th.jpg

Watchers : If the Prime Celestial Host can't do anything, woe unto us.

That basically said it all. Celestials > Watchers.

I just forget that garbage FF story ever happened and ignore it. Terrible stuff.

And yes Celestials >> Watchers.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Mr Master


*note

The point of the story was Byrne introducing Galactus great purpose in Marvel,
aside from balancing it with his existence,
which is to re-create the Marvel Universe
with the energy he consumes across his life-time.

That aside, while this was 616 Galactus' future self,
like all Timelines outside the present,
it did take place in an alternate reality.

That is, another potential future.
There's also another alternate ending John Byrne made I just discovered at his website:

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/listing.asp?ID=3&T1=Questions+about+Aborted+Storylines#57

If anyone is interested, it's pretty cool, involves Doom, nuff said.

keiththegreat
Originally posted by Utrigita
A single Watcher vs a single Celestial, will imo lead to a win for the Celestial eventually. What I however would like to point out is that it toke Exitar eons to built up the energy required to slay The One. So I think ultimately that the Celestial and the Watcher are closer then people think. Also remember that the Watchers so far are the only race that have survived the fourth Host giving them a thumb down. Repelling the Fourth Host is no small feat.

How did they survive the Celestial's thumbs down? What issue is that? Sounds awesome.

Also, in your opinion is a Celestial vs Watcher 1on1 no prep to either side a good fight?

guy222
Originally posted by basilisk
I just forget that garbage FF story ever happened and ignore it. Terrible stuff.

And yes Celestials >> Watchers.

indeed

Utrigita
Originally posted by keiththegreat
How did they survive the Celestial's thumbs down? What issue is that? Sounds awesome.

Also, in your opinion is a Celestial vs Watcher 1on1 no prep to either side a good fight?

We don't see them do it, only hear about it. IIRC it was Uatu talking about it in the Fantastic Four comic that a picture was posted from on the last page. IIRC, Uatu said that this confrontation between the Celestials and the Watchers was merely one in a long line, and that Exitar had required to built up energy for eons in order to finally judge the watchers, which meant that the first time Exitar didn't have enough energy to actually accomplish his task of wiping out the watchers. Granted it's been a long time since I read the comic and it's possible that I remember it wrong.

guy222
hey eternal friend

ur opinion is always respected smile

imho, celestials are on a higher scale than the watchers yes

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