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Galactus(Black Celestial Arc)

vs

Caos King

It was my impression that the Chaos King was above Galactus at any level. I think he wins this with ease.

clark kent rips him apart

Chaos King all the way.

since g was just a near brainless vaccum in that arc, i'll go with ck.

Originally posted by leonidas
since g was just a near brainless vaccum in that arc, i'll go with ck. I dont know, he was in his way to eat the mulitiverse

Originally posted by Reacting2
I dont know, he was in his way to eat the mulitiverse


No; Galactus was on his way to devour Omniverse if he didn't blink him self out and that universe/reality out of existences.

Originally posted by the Darkone
No; Galactus was on his way to devour Omniverse if he didn't blink him self out and that universe/reality out of existences.
Which means nothing since he himself was going to die anyway. The only beings that would have survived were the beings that were protected by the Black Celestial's equipment/base.

Leaving the Black Celestial and his tech out of this, CK still wins. Since once Galactus died, CK would win since there would be nothing but the Void which is exactly what Chaos King is anyway.

No matter how you look at it, Chaos King wins.

CK was garbage, Black celestial Galactus was a better story lol!

Originally posted by the Darkone
CK was garbage, Black celestial Galactus was a better story lol!

Oh no doubt, Chaos War (like almost all of Marvel's recent "Big Events" sucked @$$. But Chaos King still wins this though.

I never said he wouldn't, plus we never say what that version Galactus level would have been, now that Would be a good What If story.


CK contradict Oblivion origin, Abraxas hell everything!! It's pretty sad when the side stories are better than the main one, Hell Glory was better than CK.

What do expect from Pak who f**ked up Atum the God Eater, Gaea history and the Elder Gods

Originally posted by the Darkone
CK contradict Oblivion origin, Abraxas hell everything!! It's pretty sad when the side stories are better than the main one, Hell Glory was better than CK.

What do expect from Pak who f**ked up Atum the God Eater, Gaea history and the Elder Gods
Yup, don't even get me started with that. I felt like taking a trip down to Marvel HQ and punching that fool in his throat. I just ignore it, that does wonders for my sanity

I'm not impressed at all with CK.

BCA Galactus absorbs him easily.

That goes for any concept too, in that story, Galactus was unstoppable,
except for that moment of clarity he had when he stopped absorbing and did himself with the UN.

If Space-Time and everything in-between was going down,
I don't see why CK will be left out.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not impressed at all with CK.

BCA Galactus absorbs him easily.

That goes for any concept too, in that story, Galactus was unstoppable,
except for that moment of clarity he had when he stopped absorbing and did himself with the UN.

If Space-Time and everything in-between was going down,
I don't see why CK will be left out.

Maybe because before there even was a space/time/whatever there was nothingness/the Void/CK? He predates even Galactus' universe.

This isn't even a fight anyway seeing as how Galactus himself would have died leaving nothing except the Black Celestial and his base.

Originally posted by zopzop

Maybe because before there even was a space/time/whatever there was nothingness/the Void/CK? He predates even Galactus' universe.
He can't pre-date Galactus' universe cause that's the Infinity Being,
who always was and had no beginning.

Although, Oblivion makes the exact same boast:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11716740_O2.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11716741_O3.jpg

Oblivion is the embodiment of nothingness,
even the nothingness that proceeded the Multiverse.

Bio certified as the "embodiment of nothingness"

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11716747_O1.jpg

(even references what Oblivion said about himself on panel)
Originally posted by zopzop

This isn't even a fight anyway seeing as how Galactus himself would have died leaving nothing except the Black Celestial and his base.
This isn't the story vs CK, it's Galactus and his capabilities during that arc.

That said, Space-Time was getting absorbed, CK is not above Eternity/Infinity.

At best, if we jam him into the hierarchy (out of nowhere)
at best, hyperbolically speaking, he's supposed to be equal.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He can't pre-date Galactus' universe cause that's the Infinity Being,
who always was and had no beginning.

Although, Oblivion makes the exact same boast:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11716740_O2.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11716741_O3.jpg

Oblivion is the embodiment of nothingness,
even the nothingness that proceeded the Multiverse.

Bio certified as the "embodiment of nothingness"

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11716747_O1.jpg

(even references what Oblivion said about himself on panel)

This isn't the story vs CK, it's Galactus and his capabilities during that arc.

That said, Space-Time was getting absorbed, CK is not above Eternity/Infinity.

At best, if we jam him into the hierarchy (out of nowhere)
at best, hyperbolically speaking, he's supposed to be equal.

What abilities? He was eating and he was out of control. He himself would have died and then the only beings left would be the Black Celestial and anyone in his base. That was the whole point of Tiamut altering Galactus like that. Also how does on consume the Void that predates all existence?

And regarding CK :
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/articles/chaos_war_interview


That says it all right there.

Originally posted by zopzop

What abilities? He was eating and he was out of control. He himself would have died and then the only beings left would be the Black Celestial and anyone in his base. That was the whole point of Tiamut altering Galactus like that.
Actually, he consciously ate the Black Celestial,
and he consciously erased himself with the UN.

That aside, again,
you're using the story as the fighter, and not the character.

We are of course assuming this is a BCA G with control of what he can do,
or at the very least being able to use what he can do as a means to battle,
otherwise, what's the point of the thread?
Originally posted by zopzop


Also how does on consume the Void that predates all existence?
If he has a form to fight, he gets absorbed.

Otherwise, big G just looks at him in the void baffled at how CK is the void,
wow, and can't do anything cause he's just ... the ... void ... that's ... there.

Oblivion is supposed to be this "void" nothingness at the pre-Big Bang timeless emptiness.

Reed and the Alien Entity were there,
and so was Thanos before that,
and Genis/Entropy before that,
and Sise-Neg before that,
and guess what, the "void" that pre-dates the Marvel Universe is meaningless,
since it does nothing, is nothing, and hence has one purpose ... nothing.
Originally posted by zopzop

And regarding CK :
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/articles/chaos_war_interview
That says it all right there.
Doesn't say anything for me,
unless it happens on panel, and then is corroborated in handbooks hopefully.

Like in Oblivion's case.

"The Chaos King is a whole new kind of threat."

Eat a dick lol no he isn't.

BCA Galactus .

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, he consciously ate the Black Celestial,
and he consciously erased himself with the UN.

That aside, again,
you're using the story as the fighter, and not the character.

We are of course assuming this is a BCA G with control of what he can do,
or at the very least being able to use what he can do as a means to battle,
otherwise, what's the point of the thread?
But that's just the thing, HE COULDN'T CONTROL HIMSELF. The only times he regained sanity were times he absorbed a lot of power instantly rather than the gradual way he was doing it. The first time it happened was when he ate the weakened Tiamut, Reed noticed his senses return to him then he was back in his ravenous phase. The second time it happened (when he was sane enough to use the Nullifier) was when they bombarded him with energy again and he regain sanity.



R E T C O N. The Chaos War story is the most recent so it retcons those past instances. Galactus is not absorbing the "Void" before there even was a Creation. That's ridiculous.


We'll see what happens if/when the new handbooks are released.

Originally posted by NemeBro
"The Chaos King is a whole new kind of threat."

Eat a dick lol no he isn't.
That wasn't even the worst part. They said it was "Bigger than the Infinity Gauntlet" and "The greatest threat the Marvel Universe has yet faced."

Galactus was going to survive the absorption as well btw,
I didn't read anywhere stating he would die with all reality.

The story does tell us
that the "mechanisms of probability" within the base would ensure their survival,
but,
it never suggest or even alludes to any reference that suggests G dies.

What we do know, is that Reed said:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/12003398_G2.jpg

This means that not even all of Marvel's history (in comic - future/present/past)
being consumed would be enough to satiate G's hunger.

Holy!
Originally posted by zopzop

But that's just the thing, HE COULDN'T CONTROL HIMSELF. The only times he regained sanity were times he absorbed a lot of power instantly rather than the gradual way he was doing it. The first time it happened was when he ate the weakened Tiamut, Reed noticed his senses return to him then he was back in his ravenous phase. The second time it happened (when he was sane enough to use the Nullifier) was when they bombarded him with energy again and he regain sanity.
Ok, and friend?

This is a battle, no need for control,
all G has to do is do what he was doing in the original story,
absorb everything and anything (reality) "exponentially"
until nothing remains.

In the void left behind, CK is supposed to embody that,
well what good does that do?

It didn't help him stop the LT, Eternity/Infinity
and the rest of the Universe from being born/created.

So, the CK is really pointless and inconsequential in this state.

5 on panel showings of the beginning of the Marvel Universe,
from 1972 to 2006,
all Handbook/Marvel sites corroborated.
Originally posted by zopzop

R E T C O N. The Chaos War story is the most recent so it retcons those past instances. Galactus is not absorbing the "Void" before there even was a Creation. That's ridiculous.
So you say, and I never said G absorbs the "Void"
so please be thorough and don't try to derail my sensible posts with nonsense I would never utter.

Here, you're misconstruing this post below:
Originally posted by Mr Master

If he has a form to fight, he gets absorbed

OTHERWISE, big G just looks at him in the void baffled at how CK is the void,
wow, and can't do anything cause he's just ... the ... void ... that's ... there.
Originally posted by Mr Master

We'll see what happens if/when the new handbooks are released.
Definitely.

CK still hasn't done anything impressive on panel though,
it's all implied power via hyperbolic status.

As the "Void" he's as insignificant as the void itself. (ouch)
Originally posted by Mr Master

That wasn't even the worst part. They said it was "Bigger than the Infinity Gauntlet" and "The greatest threat the Marvel Universe has yet faced."

Originally posted by Mr Master


Ok, and friend?

This is a battle, no need for control,


Didn't you yourself say THIS on the previous page :

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, he consciously ate the Black Celestial,
and he consciously erased himself with the UN.

That aside, again,
you're using the story as the fighter, and not the character.

We are of course assuming this is a BCA G with control of what he can do,
or at the very least being able to use what he can do as a means to battle,
otherwise, what's the point of the thread?

If he has a form to fight, he gets absorbed.

Otherwise, big G just looks at him in the void baffled at how CK is the void,
wow, and can't do anything cause he's just ... the ... void ... that's ... there.

Oblivion is supposed to be this "void" nothingness at the pre-Big Bang timeless emptiness.

Reed and the Alien Entity were there,
and so was Thanos before that,
and Genis/Entropy before that,
and Sise-Neg before that,
and guess what, the "void" that pre-dates the Marvel Universe is meaningless,
since it does nothing, is nothing, and hence has one purpose ... nothing.

Doesn't say anything for me,
unless it happens on panel, and then is corroborated in handbooks hopefully.

Like in Oblivion's case.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Didn't you yourself say THIS on the previous page :
Yes, I said THAT, and it still applies.

I'm not talking about Galactus speedblitzing, flying around, or using versatility in attacks,
I'm talking about, Galactus doing what he did, absorb everything.

He only needs to control that.

But the twist is, there is no need for control,
because the absorption process takes care of itself.

Basically, Galactus was a living weapon in that story.

He just has to sit there, and well ... absorb.

Also friend, don't just pick out the underlined part,
cause within the SAME sentence I continue: (now underlined)

"We are of course assuming this is a BCA G with control of what he can do,
or at the very least being able to use what he can do as a means to battle,
otherwise, what's the point of the thread?"

Galactus wins, imo. CK was a f-cked up story with a pathetic villain who did nothing of any note to justify rating him much more than a mere skyfather killer.

No celestials, no real challenge to Galactus, no impact on the upper echelon, merely the middle order.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Galactus was going to survive the absorption as well btw,
I didn't read anywhere stating he would die with all reality.

The story does tell us
that the "mechanisms of probability" within the base would ensure their survival,
but,
it never suggest or even alludes to any reference that suggests G dies.

What we do know, is that Reed said:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/12003398_G2.jpg

This means that not even all of Marvel's history (in comic - future/present/past)
being consumed would be enough to satiate G's hunger.

Holy!

Ok, and friend?

This is a battle, no need for control,
all G has to do is do what he was doing in the original story,
absorb everything and anything (reality) "exponentially"
until nothing remains.

In the void left behind, CK is supposed to embody that,
well what good does that do?

It didn't help him stop the LT, Eternity/Infinity
and the rest of the Universe from being born/created.

So, the CK is really pointless and inconsequential in this state.

5 on panel showings of the beginning of the Marvel Universe,
from 1972 to 2006,
all Handbook/Marvel sites corroborated.

So you say, and I never said G absorbs the "Void"
so please be thorough and don't try to derail my sensible posts with nonsense I would never utter.

Here, you're misconstruing this post below:


Definitely.

CK still hasn't done anything impressive on panel though,
it's all implied power via hyperbolic status.

As the "Void" he's as insignificant as the void itself. (ouch)



I'm pretty sure Galactus himself would have died otherwise how the hell would Tiamut's plan make sense?
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3642/godhy.th.jpg


With the Universe dead, only those inside the BC's base would survive. Then the BC would be the nucleus and founder of the new universe. How could he do that if Galactus would still be alive and ravenous? Galactus himself dying was part of the plan all along. That's why he (the BC) altered him so that he couldn't stop himself. He couldn't move, he couldn't think, he could do nothing save consume. And what would be the result of all this consumption? Nothing but the Void.

What is Chaos King? The Void that predates ALL creation. BCA Galactus cannot win this. If anything all he does is help Chaos King achieve his goal.

Galactus beats the guy who cant even defeat marvel heros.

Originally posted by zopzop

I'm pretty sure Galactus himself would have died
otherwise how the hell would Tiamut's plan make sense?

With the Universe dead, only those inside the BC's base would survive. Then the BC would be the nucleus and founder of the new universe. How could he do that if Galactus would still be alive and ravenous? Galactus himself dying was part of the plan all along. That's why he (the BC) altered him so that he couldn't stop himself. He couldn't move, he couldn't think, he could do nothing save consume. And what would be the result of all this consumption? Nothing but the Void.
No where on panel or in the bio reference is it suggested that Galactus would die.

I don't know what the BC was expecting,
but there seemed to be no contingent plan for the ravenous Galactus.
The writer was smart to omit that explanation
since the story was never destined to reach that far.

In fact, Reed said that Galactus would continue to absorb,
and even all space-time across history will not be enough.
Originally posted by zopzop

What is Chaos King? The Void that predates ALL creation.
BCA Galactus cannot win this.
If anything all he does is help Chaos King achieve his goal.
That goal is to sit there as nothingness and do what nothingness can do ... nothing.

Until the Alien Entity comes along and re-crates Marvel right on top of him,
or the others that have done the same.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No where on panel or in the bio reference is it suggested that Galactus would die.

I don't know what the BC was expecting,
but there seemed to be no contingent plan for the ravenous Galactus.
The writer was smart to omit that explanation
since the story was never destined to reach that far.

In fact, Reed said that Galactus would continue to absorb,
and even all space-time across history will not be enough.

Uhm that was the whole POINT. The total destruction of EVERYTHING and then Galactus himself would die leaving only the BC and his servants protected by his machines. Tell me something Mr. Master, what happens to Galactus if he doesn't feed? He dies right? That's exactly what would happen in that story arc, he'd eat everything and there'd be NOTHING left to sustain him, then he'd die himself. Then the BC would recreate everything with the BC becoming God.


The point is, BCA Galactus would devour all there is to devour then DIE because there was nothing left to eat and nothing would be left except the Void aka Chaos King. Chaos King doesn't even HAVE to fight BCA because BCA cannot fight back (he's not even in control of himself or his actions) AND the ultimate result of BCA Galactus' actions would actually cause Chaos King to win without even needing to throw a punch.

Originally posted by zopzop


Uhm that was the whole POINT. The total destruction of EVERYTHING and then Galactus himself would die leaving only the BC and his servants protected by his machines. Tell me something Mr. Master, what happens to Galactus if he doesn't feed? He dies right? That's exactly what would happen in that story arc, he'd eat everything and there'd be NOTHING left to sustain him, then he'd die himself. Then the BC would recreate everything with the BC becoming God.
So CK wins by waiting for Galactus to die on his own.

That's a Nintendo cheese win.

That aside, the BC and his base surviving was based on probabilities.

Still, if CK isn't going to take form to fight, this thread is pointless.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So CK wins by waiting for Galactus to die on his own.

That's a Nintendo cheese win.

That aside, the BC and his base surviving was based on probabilities.

Still, if CK isn't going to take form to fight, this thread is pointless.

But that's the thing, there is literally NOTHING BCA Galactus could do vs the Chaos King that would result in a win for him. Nothing.

At least a normal Galactus wielding the UN could possibly destroy him.

Originally posted by zopzop

But that's the thing, there is literally NOTHING BCA Galactus could do
vs the Chaos King that would result in a win for him. Nothing.
The unbeatable foe that was beaten anyway.
Originally posted by zopzop

At least a normal Galactus wielding the UN could possibly destroy him.
How? He's the void, he can't be touched, blah, blah ...

Anyhow, again, if this character can't manifest anymore to battle,
he's inconsequential and not worth mentioning again.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The unbeatable foe that was beaten anyway.
True but only by BFRing him into a universe that existed outside the multiverse and tricking him into thinking he achieved his goal.


He could pull a Reed Richards and destroy and recreate the multivese with the Nullifier like they did during the Abraxas arc.

But BCA Galactus is incapable of this since he can't do anything except sit there and eat. CK can manifest to battle him but Galactus can't do anything except attempt to consume the very thing that will be the result of his consuming the universe, BCA Galactus cannot win.

I don't see this debate going anywhere further.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The unbeatable foe that was beaten anyway.

How? He's the void, he can't be touched, blah, blah ...

Anyhow, again, if this character can't manifest anymore to battle,
he's inconsequential and not worth mentioning again.

Actually , it has been shown before , that if the UN is used to nullify nothing , then it ends up producing EVERYTHING , i.e the entire multiverse . So, by nullifying CK , Galactus would end up recreating everything that was destroyed by CK >

I believe I saw a scan referencing to this particular ability of the UN in one of your threads , and I'll try to find it again .

CK.