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Their ultimate duel.

Darth Bane, at the peak of his power, knowledge and skill - versus Exar Kun, at the peak of his power, knowledge and skill.

Time and Space have whisked these two warriors away, to the distant world of Lehon - where a young Darth Bane fought and defeated the magnificent Kas'im.

The Ultimate Duel begins on the Ground Floor of the Rakata Temple.

Now, Sith Lords Bane and Kun take each other on in a 3-stage scenario trial:

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Darth Bane without Orbalisk Armor against Exar Kun .

Starting Distance Between Opponents: Five Feet.






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Darth Bane With Orbalisk Armor against Exar Kun

Starting Distance Between Opponents: Twenty Feet.





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Darth Bane Against Exar Kun - Force Powers Only.

Starting Distance Between Opponents: Thirty Feet.




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Setting:Lehon(Rakata Prime), Temple of the ancients (Ground-floor)

Remember, 3 Stages!

kun

Amulets are just to OP to get around. Even for Bane.

1. Bane
2. Kun
3. Kun

In all out battle he may be able to close distance and keep Kun on the defencive with his lightsaber, so he could win the all out battle.

Lets not forget that Bane has his own weapons too liek Fporce Storm.

I'm thinking Bane would win all out - by the skin of his teeth.

Bane without Orbalisks loses, IMO.

The other stages are more difficult to figure out.

Don't forget, Bane knows exactly how to beat an opponent with a double bladed saber, I would give him the win in 1 and 2. Though with the Amulets, Kun takes it in 3.

Originally posted by Major Valerian
Bane without Orbalisks loses, IMO.

The other stages are more difficult to figure out.

Orbalisks shouldn't protect from the amulet blasts. They are likely dark side energy which means they can burst the Orbalisks like Bane's lightning did.

But it is not darkside energy it is electricity that damages the orbalisks like when the assassins used stun pikes on them.

Originally posted by ares834
Orbalisks shouldn't protect from the amulet blasts. They are likely dark side energy which means they can burst the Orbalisks like Bane's lightning did.

So you're saying his Orbalisks are basically useless against Exar Kun?

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
But it is not darkside energy it is electricity that damages the orbalisks like when the assassins used stun pikes on them. As far as we know, the only thing that gets past Orbalisks is lightning or other forms of electricity. Obviously I am not saying the amulets couldn't, but I think they would protect Bane for long enough.

Exar Kun's amulets never impressed me.

Bane takes it in all three scenarios, imo.

Those pictures of Kun (the third one especially) are G-Status, though. What a baller.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Exar Kun's amulets never impressed me.

Bane takes it in all three scenarios, imo.

Those pictures of Kun (the third one especially) are G-Status, though. What a baller.

he has other great weapons such as mind tricking more than 1000 people in one of the comics.

Plus, the amulets are imo probably the single best short range weapon in all of canon. He can fire them repeatedly and quickly and they can grow really large in size easily equipping someone's body (probably building size). It doesn;t really matter if orbalisks can defend against them imo as bane will still need to protect his head.

Do people think someone like The Secret Apprentice could tank them? darth Maul can quite possibly do it.

At maximum distance, they start off at 30 feet from each other. A normal human being can cover that in a few seconds by sprinting. A Jedi, especially one of Bane's calibur, would be covering that in half a second or so, maybe less. So at best, Kun would be getting maybe one shot off before he's desperately fending for his life against a far quicker lightsaber-wielding Bane.

And that's assuming Bane doesn't just casually lay Kun out with a force wave at the get-go. He has a superior grasp of the force, and his feats are superior to anything Kun has shown, even with his amulets.

Yeh I give Bane the all out fight for that reason 2. For force battle though I think Kun takes it.

You really think so? Bane when he desoryed the tmeple was great but exar mind tricking all those people is better imo.

Another thing about the amulets is that they attack in continuous beam so kun can maintain a single blast and bane will have to continuously defend against it.

I can't remember the mind-tricking scene; I haven't read TotJ in five or six years, but if it's anything like his senate freezing feat, you have to take into consideration that it may have been ritual-induced, as opposed to a spur of the moment ability he has access too. In addition, mind-tricking isn't a combat feat. It's been established that force abilities belong to categories, which is why most force users "excell" at certain things. While impressive by its own merits, being able to mind-trick mass amounts of people is not indicative of an ability to repel a temple destroying force wave.

Yeah. The comic states it was a Sith spell that froze the Senate.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
But it is not darkside energy it is electricity that damages the orbalisks like when the assassins used stun pikes on them.

Sorta. Electricity stuns the creatures at which point they can be pried off from Bane. However, that isn't what happened in his duel with the Jedi. In that, they fed on the energy. It was sated earlier on in the book they fed on Bane's dark side energy, but when he used his lightning they ate so much they burst and in doing so released toxins into Bane.

I always thought the Orbalisk armor Bane wears, seems to be a nod to Leto II's Sandtrout armor from Dune.

Except the major difference being that Leto's Sandtrout afford greater pros than cons, and that one is symbiotic, while the other, parasitic.

Still pretty cool, though.

Bantha got your tongue, Mr. Park?

lol

I wouldn't give so much weight to amulets. Bane had other means to gain immense power. If I am not wrong, his Obralisk, for example, also, was boosting power.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Bantha got your tongue, Mr. Park?

Haha.

You did it wrong, it's supposed to be "Bantha got your tail NemeBro?"

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I can't remember the mind-tricking scene; I haven't read TotJ in five or six years, but if it's anything like his senate freezing feat,

Yeah that is what I am talking about.



It was not a ritual he was in the senate at the time and he didnt sacrfice anyone likle he did wtiht eh Massasi at the end of the comic.



Well its probably harder to sue against force users bit it could be used in combat. Kaan was able to mind control force users for exmaple and he was a weakling.

Also, he might be able to use the amulets to block the force wave. If he unleashes one of the building sized ones it should cover area pf force wave and push it back.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park

Also, he might be able to use the amulets to block the force wave. If he unleashes one of the building sized ones it should cover area pf force wave and push it back.


Do we have any evidence that his Amulet-blast can push back Force waves?

Sounds like two different mediums to me.

Also, I agree with Blax.

In a Force fight, Bane could just charge up a powerful TK wave, and likely release it in the same way that ended up killing Kas'im.

Depends which is more powerful but i dont think the force wave will just pass through the blasts and i think they would make contact, as long as blasts are wide and tall enough.

In fight against Kasim Bane has to powerup during kasims speech to use force wave. Im sure it will take at the least several seconds. Kun cna spam blasts at will and leisure.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Depends which is more powerful but i dont think the force wave will just pass through the blasts and i think they would make contact, as long as blasts are wide and tall enough.


I've never heard of pure energy making contact with TK.



Originally posted by Darth Ray Park

In fight against Kasim Bane has to powerup during kasims speech to use force wave. Im sure it will take at the least several seconds. Kun cna spam blasts at will and leisure.


True.

We're still missing the fact that the amulets increase Kun's rage and by extention his connection to the Dark Side exponentially. By the words of the narration alone, thousands of times. This is a man who shrugged off the Wall of Light technique from the foremost practitioner of said technique, ragdolled or dominated every Jedi to step up to him once he acquired said amulets, and toyed with Vodo before destroying him in saber combat. Literally, the instant Kun decided the fight was over, he clove through a stick that was, and I quote, made "stronger than a lightsaber". That's not to suggest that a lightsaber itself would break under Kun's strength (although the user would certainly suffer) but that's an immense amount of strength he can apply one-handed. Look at Kun's blade once both blades are out - there's literally no way to put all of his strength into a swing, yet he decimates Vodo's staff and the Jedi Master in a single continuous swing.

Bane's no push-over. I think if anyone can defeat Kun or at least come damn close, his name would be one I'd pick. But let's not sell Kun short either. He was a titan in Force powers, and his amulets boost him to levels beyond the rank and file.

True that.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
In a Force fight, Bane could just charge up a powerful TK wave, and likely release it in the same way that ended up killing Kas'im.

Remember though, Kasim blocked Bane's wave it was only the collapse of the temple that killed him.

Yep

How much more powerful is Bane by DoE>? Forcewise I think PoD and RoT Bane put up good fight but Exar ultimately prevales.

Originally posted by ares834
Remember though, Kasim blocked Bane's wave it was only the collapse of the temple that killed him.


Originally posted by Battlemaster
and likely release it in the same way that ended up killing Kas'im.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Yep

How much more powerful is Bane by DoE>? Forcewise I think PoD and RoT Bane put up good fight but Exar ultimately prevales.


I'd say this Peak Bane is good enough to beat Exar in Saber combat, and can probably find a way around him in Force combat.

By DoE Bane is a Titan. He is a master of defensive fighting (see the rain feat) and he is insanely powerful with the force, and can make a cocoon of dark energy at any time (fight with Zannah on Doan, he made it during her saber swing, and it protected him then exploded)

On a nexus (maybe off one, but he only performed the technique on Prakith) he can create an aura of pure dark side, which instantly saps the life of anybody who enters it and transfers it to him.

Sounds almost like sith sorcery even though he has no talent for it.

Does he have any cool TK feats. Anything "Force Unelased" esque?

*cough* pulling Dxun out of its orbit while riding on a flying thingy *cough*


*cough* crushing an entire temple with one force wave *cough*

Oh I mean in DoE.

When did he pull Dxun out of orbit? I thought he just flew across.

Originally posted by Pwned
*cough* pulling Dxun out of its orbit while riding on a flying thingy *cough*

Didn't happen.

Originally posted by Pwned
*cough* crushing an entire temple with one force wave *cough*

That feat is wanked. The book notes that the temple is rundown and ancient. Then when Bane uses his force wave it destroys the entrance to the temple which destabilizes the structure causing the rest to collapse. It's still highly impressive, but not as great as some make it out to be.

I could have sworn in the flight over to Onderon, he had to just BARELY nudge Dxun closer so the atmospheres would meet at one point.



Also, I know that the temple is rundown and ancient. Hell, I bet Kas'im could have brought it down. But its one of my favorite fight scenes from the books XD

In Bane of the Sith he contemplates moving Dxun, but in the book it didn't happen. Rather he ripped a piece of the atmosphere off and then flew through space on the back of a pterodactyl...

Originally posted by ares834
Rather he ripped a piece of the atmosphere off and then flew through space on the back of a pterodactyl...


Sounds like an Acid Trip.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Sounds almost like sith sorcery even though he has no talent for it.

Does he have any cool TK feats. Anything "Force Unelased" esque?

At the end of RoT Bane disintergrates multiple technobeasts with his TK. His Force Pushes are lethal as shown by the narration stating that had Farfalla not of partially blocked his Push, Raskta would have died from that alone, as well as in PoD it being described as capable of liquidising bones.

That's sick.

Neph has a point there. He ends up being insanely powerful.

Not to mention that dark side field. That is some twisted s*** XD

Originally posted by ares834
Remember though, Kasim blocked Bane's wave it was only the collapse of the temple that killed him. He "blocked" the wave in the sense that he prevented it from outright killing him. The wave still managed to literally disintegrate every single bone in his body. So really, it's academic. He would have died from just the wave anyway. Downplaying the feat by pointing out that Kas'im survived it is like saying that getting shot in the heart doesn't kill you, it's your heart failing and your body dying from lack of blood flow that kills you.

Also, it's important to keep in mind that at that point in the fight, Bane was literally using up the last of his energy reserves after fighting for his life for like half an hour, and he was also a relative neophyte in regards to his power. A non-exhausted, EoD-level Bane would be capable of a drastically stronger force wave than the one we see in PoD.

edit- I'll address the rest of you guys tomorrow. At work right now.

No it didn't. He blocked himself from the wave preventing it from shattering his bones.


"There was nothing subtle about Bane's attack: the massive shock wave shook the very foundations of the great Rakatan Temple. The concussive blast had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid. But at the last possible instant he threw up a shield to protect himself from the attack.

Unfortunately, he couldn't shield the Temple around him."

Huh. **** you then.

Heh. It reminded me of SW_LeGeND claiming that Vitiate's lightning melted Revan's mask, when in fact it was flesh melting and sticking to the mask.