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Alright Ichigo knows the final getsugatensho and can use it once but still keep his powers and Goku khows super sayain 4 and can only use a dragon fist once but still keep his form.

You don't need an overpowered and non-canon version of Goku to defeat this version of Ichigo. Honestly, even 23rd Budokai Goku can beat any version of him with a Kamehameha right off the bat. The range and AoE of most DB characters' blasts are enough to beat any of the HST-verses, regardless of what unorthodox abilities they have. Kid Goku would be a different story but other than that, Ichigo is hopeless.

SS4 Goku vs FGT Ichigo?

Yeah, 23rd Budokai Goku > any HST character outside a full powered Bijuu.

I want Goku at his best which is ssj3. Ichigo cut iron thicker than Goku's body, and it was done easy. Ichigo wins because there's no way Goku can deflect his attacks. He'll avoid most of the fight until he is hit, and Ichigo himself can take a hit. Lets keep it at can Goku take a hit from Ichigo, if he can, than he gains the advantage, if can't, Ichigo takes the match. There's is no purpose in fighting if you're going to be on the defense, and Goku has no way of knowing how strong and easy it is he can cut through ssj3 Goku.

Goku kicks his head off.

Then he goes to beat up Luffy and Naruto. Gotta keep those upstart youngins in line.

Originally posted by dvampire
I want Goku at his best which is ssj3. Ichigo cut iron thicker than Goku's body, and it was done easy. Ichigo wins because there's no way Goku can deflect his attacks. He'll avoid most of the fight until he is hit, and Ichigo himself can take a hit. Lets keep it at can Goku take a hit from Ichigo, if he can, than he gains the advantage, if can't, Ichigo takes the match. There's is no purpose in fighting if you're going to be on the defense, and Goku has no way of knowing how strong and easy it is he can cut through ssj3 Goku. Actually Goku can punch Ichigo's head off at the start of the fight.

A punch from Goku has more power than any attack in Bleach.

Also, iron? Are you ****ing high? Goku's punches level landscapes, as do those he fights, and you have the audacity to bring up Ichigo cutting iron as proof that he can cut Goku?

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What would happen if Goku didn't try to win.

And then Ichigo tires out.

Make it 22nd Budokai Goku, Then Ichigo should have a feasible chance of winning, despite the speed difference

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-hBqK7-E-jDg/TjGn6UwFfvI/AAAAAAAACTM/0ecdip9GYig/Bleach4-Chad-Catches-Girder2.jpg

That > Breaking Goku's back. Fact.

Originally posted by Samurai100
Make it 22nd Budokai Goku, Then Ichigo should have a feasible chance of winning, despite the speed difference

Explain your claim? Because Ichigo can beat ssj3 Goku. If you believe in Goku's ability, then don't coware away by limiting Goku's ability to make him out to be superior. Explain how Goku survives a cut from Ichigo? Lets keep it on Goku's defense against Ichigo's cutting attacks.

Originally posted by dvampire
Explain your claim? Because Ichigo can beat ssj3 Goku. If you believe in Goku's ability, then don't coware away by limiting Goku's ability to make him out to be superior. Explain how Goku survives a cut from Ichigo? Lets keep it on Goku's defense against Ichigo's cutting attacks.

Ichigo can beat SSJ3 Goku because he can cut through iron? Well the above video shows Goku casually blocking a character stronger than Ichigo(and faster but not really the point), based on his ability to slice through the skin of someone who could survive the explosion of a planet.

So offensively, Ichigo won't hurt Goku. Mind, this implies he'll be able to hit Goku. Mind, this implies Goku will let him get close since Goku can use Ki to fight from a distance. Mind, this all comes from the assumption that the superior calced Goku won't just casually knock Ichigo out with one punch.

Originally posted by dvampire
Explain your claim? Because Ichigo can beat ssj3 Goku. If you believe in Goku's ability, then don't coware away by limiting Goku's ability to make him out to be superior. Explain how Goku survives a cut from Ichigo? Lets keep it on Goku's defense against Ichigo's cutting attacks.


I don't quite understand you. Do you by any chance hate Goku? First you make a thread about Goku which you think the opponent (Superman) would stomp Goku, and now you said Ichigo can beat Goku?


The video above should explain what would Goku do to Ichigo if Ichigo fight Goku and I think, Goku doesn't even need to go SSJ if the opponent is Ichigo. Let me know when Ichigo is capable of destroying at least, a moon. Even if he could, a moon busting attack didn't hurt a pipsqueak like Raditz or Nappa. And you tried to compare Ichigo to Goku?

Originally posted by dvampire
Explain your claim? Because Ichigo can beat ssj3 Goku. No he can't.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I don't quite understand you. Do you by any chance hate Goku? First you make a thread about Goku which you think the opponent (Superman) would stomp Goku, and now you said Ichigo can beat Goku?


The video above should explain what would Goku do to Ichigo if Ichigo fight Goku and I think, Goku doesn't even need to go SSJ if the opponent is Ichigo. Let me know when Ichigo is capable of destroying at least, a moon. Even if he could, a moon busting attack didn't hurt a pipsqueak like Raditz or Nappa. And you tried to compare Ichigo to Goku?

You don't understand because you're not debating fairly, you're not proving anything, just listing characters Goku can beat in his universe, doesn't mean he'll do the same in Bleach. Can ssj3 take a cutting attack from Ichigo? You're avoiding it, which means you're not confident in ssj3 Goku's ability to win. Just saying he would win without any shown evidence is proof that you would rather evade the question in oder for ssj3 Goku to win. Ichigo cuts through iron like butter, he'll easily cut through ssj3 Goku. That's my claim, can ssj3 Goku survive being cut by Ichigo?

Originally posted by NemeBro
No he can't.

You have no facts to back up your claim.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
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What would happen if Goku didn't try to win.

And then Ichigo tires out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA8fFLlwLEs

Ichigo is stronger than ssj2 Gohan and can cut through pillars of steel and ssj3 Goku won't be given the chance to put ki into a specific part of his body. He doesn't have natural durability to take a cutting attack from Ichigo. And Gohan won't be able to break Ichigo's sword.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FiJlRte_Go

There's a huge difference in power.

That's nice.

Goku punches Ichigo's head off at the start of the fight.

Like that could kill a character from Bleach.

You watch, Byakuya will turn out to just be taking a nap.

Originally posted by dvampire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA8fFLlwLEs

Ichigo is stronger than ssj2 Gohan and can cut through pillars of steel and ssj3 Goku won't be given the chance to put ki into a specific part of his body. He doesn't have natural durability to take a cutting attack from Ichigo. And Gohan won't be able to break Ichigo's sword.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FiJlRte_Go

There's a huge difference in power.

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Are you high? Dabura's slashes are way, way more impressive the cutting some guys stupid axes.

Why are you even linking us to a Gohan fight to begin with? You want to see how Goku stands up to swords? Look at the video you quoted. Goku literally does nothing but block a sword. Cutting through iron is a feat equivalent to cutting through plastic compared to the crap DBZ characters can do. Unless your video was to imply that because Dabura cut some of Gohan's hair, Ichigo can cut Goku's hair?

But yeah, to wrap things up: Goku is harder(blocks a sword from a guy who can cut a being capable of surviving of planet explosion), better(Ichigo's best showing near as I can tell was cutting off a section of a hill, Goku can do that in his sleep), faster(mach 10 vs...well Tao was apparently 14 so use your imagination on how fast Goku is), stronger than Ichigo(casual mountain busting>>>cutting through axes) and can kill him pretty much whenever in the fight. Never mind him actually using a ki blast.

Goku wins!

Originally posted by dvampire
You don't understand because you're not debating fairly, you're not proving anything, just listing characters Goku can beat in his universe, doesn't mean he'll do the same in Bleach. Can ssj3 take a cutting attack from Ichigo? You're avoiding it, which means you're not confident in ssj3 Goku's ability to win. Just saying he would win without any shown evidence is proof that you would rather evade the question in oder for ssj3 Goku to win. Ichigo cuts through iron like butter, he'll easily cut through ssj3 Goku. That's my claim, can ssj3 Goku survive being cut by Ichigo?


a.) Ichigo still can't cut a moon or even planet like butter. The best thing Ichigo has ever done is cutting a mountain.

b.) I already showed you a moon busting attack can't even hurt some weaklings like Nappa or Raditz, while Goku is far superior to both combined, especially in SSJ3 form. A cut from Ichigo won't even cut Goku's finger. A single punch from Goku would destroy Ichigo. Completely.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
a.) Ichigo still can't cut a moon or even planet like butter. The best thing Ichigo has ever done is cutting a mountain. Ichigo hasn't even done that.

That mountain was the size of a hill.

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...................How....is this still able to be discussed ._. .....Goku is the shounen father the HST doesn't want to step to..He'll teach this kid some manners and probably state some flaw in his technique while Ichigo will just be getting pissed >_>.


God forbid Goku get serious, it wouldn't even be a match. DBZ and Bleach are on two incredibly different tiers.

Originally posted by Yamcha
probably state some flaw in his technique while Ichigo will just be getting pissed >_>.

How would Goku know if his technique is flawed or not since Ichigo uses a sword and Goku...well doesn't? I mean, he'll call him slow and stuff but Goku really wouldn't know the difference between good/bad technique.

Goku does have extensive martial arts training which included getting rid of innecesary movements.

Wow...

actuallu i could see goku at ssj2 losing. first of all is that although hes at a planet busting level it still is a large amount of energy required and any other attacks other than planet busters usually dont drastically change the landscape.as for ichigo, we never saw the full extent of his mature forms power for all we now he could use the arrancar mask and another thing is i think if he had not used the final getsugatenshou he could have recieved a third release for his hollow form becuase his 2nd release just alowed him arrancar abilities and the 3rd would be his resurrecion heck he could even have a 4th release or in other words a 2nd resurrecion like ulquiora did im pretty sure if he had a resurrecion plus his bankai in his mature form he could take down a ssj goku maybe even a ssj2 goku plus lets also not forget that getsugatenshou can be used in many different ways ichigo only knows how to use it as an offensive attack in 3 different ways and the final getsugatenshou but it can be used other ways as well