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Wolverine is totally bloodlusted. Danny and Luke will fight to win but not to kill. Can they take him out?

Danny one shots him.

I dont think they could kill him if they tried so holding back isnt an issue.

They get cut to pieces, Cage dies first.

At this point Danny is such a walking plot device that I wouldn't be surprised if he had some sort of anti rage calming chi attack.

Danny solos.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They get cut to pieces, Cage dies first.
This. Cage is a brawler, no skill whatsoever. One good slash across the throat or stab at the heart and he's finished. Iron Fist will last longer because of his chi abilities and excellent H2H skills but he'll fall.......... eventually.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Danny solos.
Oh please.......

Originally posted by zopzop
Oh please.......

Wolverine's continued existence is owed to Danny Rand allowing it.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Wolverine's continued existence is owed to Danny Rand allowing it.
And then Danny Rand woke up............

Originally posted by zopzop
And then Danny Rand woke up............

...and found himself standing over the desiccated body of Wolverine.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...and found himself standing over the desiccated body of Wolverine.
......and then realized it was a simulation in the Danger Room.

Originally posted by zopzop
......and then realized it was a simulation in the Danger Room.

....and lamented how a simulation of Wolverine was marginally harder to put down than the real thing.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
....and lamented how a simulation of Wolverine was marginally harder to put down than the real thing.
...........but then remembered that the real Wolverine was holding back because he didn't want to harm Danny's gimpy self.

And than stops operating at a 3.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Danny solos.

Blindfolded, with both hands behind his back. On one foot.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...and found himself standing over the desiccated body of Wolverine. Originally posted by JakeTheBank
....and lamented how a simulation of Wolverine was marginally harder to put down than the real thing.

Originally posted by zopzop
...........but then remembered that the real Wolverine was holding back because he didn't want to harm Danny's gimpy self.
.. danny only wished he himself had held back. At least they would still have logan with them if he did.

people underestimate cage in this.

team takes it.

Originally posted by Trackz
people underestimate cage in this.

team takes it.

If this is AvsX Cage, he solos.

I think Cage is one of those bricks who's actually gotten worse instead of better with time.

Back in the day, he could take a full Danny Rand Iron Fist and shrug it off. Now, he gets bloodied from your average less than Iron Fist punch.

Wolverine one shots Cage, than shoots for a double leg on Iron Fist and gnp him unconscious in under 10 seconds.

Originally posted by Trackz
people underestimate cage in this.

team takes it.

Danny oneshots logan.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Danny oneshots logan.

Originally posted by cdtm
If this is AvsX Cage, he solos.

I think Cage is one of those bricks who's actually gotten worse instead of better with time.

Back in the day, he could take a full Danny Rand Iron Fist and shrug it off. Now, he gets bloodied from your average less than Iron Fist punch.

The average ironfist is stronger than it once was, no?

Cage doesn't solo, but he's far from ineffective in this fight.

Against a "totally bloodlusted" Wolverine he wouldn't last a second...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Danny oneshots logan.

lol

There is a better chance of him hurting himself punching Wolverine, then there is of him doing any sort of lasting damage to Wolverine. Logan could shrug off those Iron Fists all day.

Srank check your pm when you get a chance. Thanks bro.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Against a "totally bloodlusted" Wolverine he wouldn't last a second... he has the ability keep wolverine disoriented and change the battle field with a ground pound. he doesn't take the majority against wolverine at all, but when ironfist is around to capitalize, the team takes this more often than not.

Originally posted by Trackz
The average ironfist is stronger than it once was, no?

Cage doesn't solo, but he's far from ineffective in this fight.

Yeah, Cage isn't useless by any means.

For his weight class, he can hit pretty hard, and knows how to fight.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
lol

There is a better chance of him hurting himself punching Wolverine, then there is of him doing any sort of lasting damage to Wolverine. Logan could shrug off those Iron Fists all day.

Danny solos. Let's be real.

Originally posted by cdtm


Read some comics.

Danny's most powerful punch is an impotent wet noodle compared to what Wolverine has shrugged off with a smile on his face. If you think Iron Fist can beat Wolverine, you need to get you f@cking head examined, because there is something wrong.

Beserk Logan takes either of them by himself but both combined are way too much.

Originally posted by FlyingAces
Logan takes either of them by himself but both combined are way too much.

Nah. Danny can take him alone.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
lol

There is a better chance of him hurting himself punching Wolverine, then there is of him doing any sort of lasting damage to Wolverine. Logan could shrug off those Iron Fists all day. Originally posted by cdtm

Didn't Danny's most powerful punch one-shot a train packed with enough explosives to destroy the universe and all of reality?

nono

Originally posted by KingD19
Didn't Danny's most powerful punch one-shot a train packed with enough explosives to destroy the universe and all of reality?

It wasn't just an IF technique, he leaped and turned himself into a human bullet.

Originally posted by KingD19
Didn't Danny's most powerful punch one-shot a train packed with enough explosives to destroy the universe and all of reality?

Yes. Danny's punches at full force are what will someday destroy the universe.

Originally posted by KingD19
Didn't Danny's most powerful punch one-shot a train packed with enough explosives to destroy the universe and all of reality?

Yeah and he needed to amp himself with the magnetic forces of the rail line to destroy a bullet train.

Wolverine shrugs off punches from the Hulk. The Hulk one shots asteroids twice the size of earth. Iron Fist might as well be throwing snow balls, because he has NO chance of putting Wolverine down for the count.

Yet Logan got Ko'd by a tap to the noggin with a sword pommel.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yet Logan got Ko'd by a tap to the noggin with a sword pommel.

And Iron Fist got beat in h2h by Invisible Woman. PIS.

^ It's called sparring. Not fighting. You're not fooling anybody by leaving out context. The forums are generally too well read for it. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine shrugs off punches from the Hulk. The Hulk one shots asteroids twice the size of earth. Iron Fist might as well be throwing snow balls, because he has NO chance of putting Wolverine down for the count. Don't be so simplistic. Wolverine does not shrug off punches from Hulk. He has, often times, been one or two shotted. And invoking the Hulk's highest striking feats is embarassing, even for you.

Team wins. Danny can solo. Make a better argument if you're going to disagree.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yet Logan got Ko'd by a tap to the noggin with a sword pommel.

A magical sword

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
lol

There is a better chance of him hurting himself punching Wolverine, then there is of him doing any sort of lasting damage to Wolverine. Logan could shrug off those Iron Fists all day.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
lol

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
A magical sword

Just the blade, buddy. Just the blade.

USAgent twoshotted logan, cap oneshotted him. Gorgon oneshot killed him. Pip just dropped an ice cube. Namor oneshotted him. Daredevil oneshotted him, blah, blah, blah. Danny oneshots the midget.

Originally posted by ODG
Don't be so simplistic. Wolverine does not shrug off punches from Hulk. He has, often times, been one or two shotted. And invoking the Hulk's highest striking feats is embarassing, even for you.

Team wins. Danny can solo.

When was Wolverine one or two shotted by the Hulk? His fist appearance? Before he had a healing factor? Wolverine routinely shrugs off Hulks most powerful attacks. That's just a fact.

Iron Fist's best striking feat is one shotting a helicarrier, which is a FAR cry above this typical class 40 punching feats, and even that isn't shit compared to Wolverine has effortlessly tanked.

Iron Fist can't beat Wolverine, anyone with more than two braincells to rub together should be able to figure that out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
USAgent twoshotted logan, cap oneshotted him. Gorgon oneshot killed him. Pip just dropped an ice cube. Namor oneshotted him. Daredevil oneshotted him, blah, blah, blah. Danny oneshots the midget.

You know that can't "one shot" someone if they've already been fighting and repeatedly been hit? And if the character immediately gets up... it's also not a "one shot". As such most of the stuff you just said... never happened.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
When was Wolverine one or two shotted by the Hulk? His fist appearance? Before he had a healing factor? Wolverine routinely shrugs off Hulks most powerful attacks. That's just a fact.

Iron Fist's best striking feat is one shotting a helicarrier, which is a FAR cry above this typical class 40 punching feats, and even that isn't shit compared to Wolverine has effortlessly tanked.

Iron Fist can't beat Wolverine, anyone with more than two braincells to rub together should be able to figure that out.
Professor hulk has twoshotted him IIRC, thing has oneshotted him, juggernaut has two or three shotted him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Professor hulk has twoshotted him IIRC

You recall incorrectly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
thing has oneshotted him

Twoshotted, but yes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
juggernaut has two or three shotted him.

Pre-healing factor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Professor hulk has twoshotted him IIRC

When?

Originally posted by abhilegend
, thing has oneshotted him,

He was still groggy after Rogue fastball special'd him into Ben.

Originally posted by abhilegend
juggernaut has two or three shotted him.

Before his healing factor was even mentioned.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You know that can't "one shot" someone if they've already been fighting and repeatedly been hit? And if the character immediately gets up... it's also not a "one shot". As such most of the stuff you just said... never happened.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM_120_Sasquatch.jpg
Originally posted by bigbran
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9229/crusades0536uo0.th.jpg Originally posted by bigbran
Well... I figure since people like to use him beating Gamora (you saw what he did)...

Also, Pip has taken him out.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6606/infintywars0412iq9.th.jpg

People like to say he wasn't KOed, but the fact is, that he was out, just like Gamora, Nova, Colossus, and others when they were being brought up by Galactus.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8813/infintywars0418mq5.th.jpg Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You recall incorrectly.



Twoshotted, but yes.



Pre-healing factor.
In Real heroes 2 IIRC.

So, he was still koed.

Doesn't matter.Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
When?



He was still groggy after Rogue fastball special'd him into Ben.



Before his healing factor was even mentioned.
Real heroes 2 IIRC.

So he isn't so durable after all if he gets groggy hitting Thing of all people. Anyway poor excuse, Thing just koed him.

Still doesn't matter.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
When was Wolverine one or two shotted by the Hulk? His fist appearance? Before he had a healing factor? Wolverine routinely shrugs off Hulks most powerful attacks. That's just a fact.

Iron Fist's best striking feat is one shotting a helicarrier, which is a FAR cry above this typical class 40 punching feats, and even that isn't shit compared to Wolverine has effortlessly tanked.

Iron Fist can't beat Wolverine, anyone with more than two braincells to rub together should be able to figure that out. His first fight which was retold in Wolverine Origins #28. The fight in Hulk/Wolverine: 6 Hours #4. Wolverine doesn't shrug off Hulk's most powerful attacks. Those are two of the only times he's actually fought Savage Hulk. That's a fact.

Wolverine's been beaten by far less than Hulk and far less than Iron Fist. Wolverine doesn't shrug off Hulk's punches. And no matter how you try to spin it, or try to liberally use the term, "shrug off," that's completely false.

Invoking Hulk with some of the sh1ttiest ABC logic seen on these forums doesn't help your case. It only makes you a target for more derision. You can make a better argument. Why you choose not to is beyond me. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Pre-healing factor. There's no such thing. This myth has already been busted.

Originally posted by KingD19
Didn't Danny's most powerful punch one-shot a train packed with enough explosives to destroy the universe and all of reality?

Yes.

Except it wasn't just reality, it was the omni-reality.

Either on team 1 solos imo.

Danny can certainly one-shot Logan if he got the same chance to cheap-shot like USAgent, Pip or Cap, but he ain't doing it heads up.

Originally posted by FlyingAces
Danny can certainly one-shot Logan if he got the same chance to cheap-shot like USAgent, Pip or Cap, but he ain't doing it heads up.


USAgent, Pip, or Cap can't one shot a helicarrier. Or even Luke Cage.

And they're slower than Danny.

Well it's a toughy if you're using high level portrayals. If that's the version of Danny to use, then someone's gonna pull the time Logan fell from an orbiting space station, burned through earth's atmosphere and smacked straight into the ground and was still conscious. In that instance, even the Helicarrier punch won't do much.

The thing is, Danny's average is above Logan's average.

He can one shot KO Luke Cage, on average. That's because any time he used his Iron Fist back in the day, it was the plot device "Form Voltron" dues ex mechanica that ended the conflict. And it's only gotten more plot device-ish since.

What's Logan's average? I think for the board's sanity sake, that should be established first. I'm not sure what "average" means nowadays for a character like Logan since his powers and skill level are so scattered across his thousands of appearances. In his early days with Claremont, he was pretty low compared to the pumped up '90s version that beat everyone. Today's version tends to be even less consistent.

^ In his early days with Claremont, he was a mutant, he had "powers," he was really strong, really fast, freakishly durable even though he could be occasionally ktfo, he had adamantium, he went into berserker rages, embarassed others in training sessions, he was a trained operative for the Canadian government, he said "bub," he was mysterious (in that there's-more-to-him-than-meets-the-eye type of way), he could survive being sent into lunar orbit by Jahf, shrug off being engulfed in flame, was noted to heal extremely fast, and was capable of fighting with the Hulk and Wendigo.

That doesn't strike me as "pretty low" compared to the '90s version who was a mutant, had "powers," was really strong, really fast, freakishly durable but can be occasionally ktfo, had adamantium, went into berserker rages, embarassed others in training sessions, was a trained operative for the Canadian government and SHIELD, said "bub," continued to be mysterious with a shady past, could survive being punched into orbit, shrug off explosions, healed extremely fast, and... is capable of fighting with the Hulk and Wendigo...

Wolverine just got a healing factor last year iirc.

Originally posted by ODG
That doesn't strike me as "pretty low" compared to the '90s version who was a mutant, had "powers," was really strong, really fast, freakishly durable but can be occasionally ktfo, had adamantium, went into berserker rages, embarassed others in training sessions, was a trained operative for the Canadian government and SHIELD, said "bub," continued to be mysterious with a shady past, could survive being punched into orbit, shrug off explosions, healed extremely fast, and... is capable of fighting with the Hulk and Wendigo...

Compared to what came after, it was very low. He went way above that in the '90s. At one point in Hama's run, he was rammed in the back with a stealth bomber flying a full speed and didn't blink. He just took it and just started slashing at the window to the cockpit. And that was just the tip if it.

Sweet Christmas, there's a lot of cage hate here

Originally posted by ODG
^ In his early days with Claremont, he was a mutant, he had "powers," he was really strong, really fast, freakishly durable even though he could be occasionally ktfo, he had adamantium, he went into berserker rages, embarassed others in training sessions, he was a trained operative for the Canadian government, he said "bub," he was mysterious (in that there's-more-to-him-than-meets-the-eye type of way), he could survive being sent into lunar orbit by Jahf, shrug off being engulfed in flame, was noted to heal extremely fast, and was capable of fighting with the Hulk and Wendigo.

That doesn't strike me as "pretty low" compared to the '90s version who was a mutant, had "powers," was really strong, really fast, freakishly durable but can be occasionally ktfo, had adamantium, went into berserker rages, embarassed others in training sessions, was a trained operative for the Canadian government and SHIELD, said "bub," continued to be mysterious with a shady past, could survive being punched into orbit, shrug off explosions, healed extremely fast, and... is capable of fighting with the Hulk and Wendigo...

Lmfao!!!

Originally posted by FlyingAces
Compared to what came after, it was very low. He went way above that in the '90s. At one point in Hama's run, he was rammed in the back with a stealth bomber flying a full speed and didn't blink. He just took it and just started slashing at the window to the cockpit. And that was just the tip if it.

Didn't CBR strike Hama from debates, for some reason?

I've heard the phrase "That was hama'd, we don't count it anymore" more than once.

Originally posted by cdtm
Didn't CBR strike Hama from debates, for some reason?

I've heard the phrase "That was hama'd, we don't count it anymore" more than once.

Not sure. Never followed anything on CBR. They'd be pretty stupid to ignore Hama's Wolverine, since it's seen favorably.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Danny solos.

This guy knows where it's at.

Originally posted by ODG
His first fight which was retold in Wolverine Origins #28. The fight in Hulk/Wolverine: 6 Hours #4. Wolverine doesn't shrug off Hulk's most powerful attacks. Those are two of the only times he's actually fought Savage Hulk. That's a fact.

Wolverine's been beaten by far less than Hulk and far less than Iron Fist. Wolverine doesn't shrug off Hulk's punches. And no matter how you try to spin it, or try to liberally use the term, "shrug off," that's completely false.

Invoking Hulk with some of the sh1ttiest ABC logic seen on these forums doesn't help your case. It only makes you a target for more derision. You can make a better argument. Why you choose not to is beyond me. There's no such thing. This myth has already been busted.


Dude you troll so hard, the mods should change your name to Chael Sonnen.

Those are the only two times Wolverine has fought the Savage Hulk? What about Kubert drawn fight in the Savages Lands? Or the Marvel Knights Wolverine / Hulk mini series. Punisher fight? The fight between Hulk and Deathverine? Wolverine has fought Savage Hulk more than the two times you've referenced. And Savage Hulk isn't the only class 100 brick Wolverine has thrown down with by a long shoot... he isn't even the strongest iteration of the Hulk Wolverine has fought.

Shitty ABC logic? Wolverine can shrug off punches from the Hulk. A single blow from the Hulk is more damage than Iron Fist could dish out if he had all day to do it. That's not ABC logic, it's just called logic. Iron Fist can't put Wolverine down. Wolverine's base line average is better than, Danny's absolute very best 1 in 1000 outlier feats... by a long shot. The best Iron Fist could muster wouldn't make Wolverine bat an eye lid... he might as well spray Wolverine with saline solution for all the good it will do. Iron Fist can't beat Wolverine. Danny is a glass canon, Wolverine can't take his best shots in stride and drop him with a single blow. That's it.

Wolverine didn't have a healing factor until Uncanny X-Men 142. That's not a myth that can be busted because it is A fact. Prior to that he was a mutant with unspecified powers that seemed to be an undefined (and inconsistent) level of invulnerability and super senses. Prior to 1981, Wolverine did not have a healing factor.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Dude you troll so hard, the mods should change your name to Chael Sonnen.

Those are the only two times Wolverine has fought the Savage Hulk? Two of the only times. Not the only two times. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What about Kubert drawn fight in the Savages Lands? Or the Marvel Knights Wolverine / Hulk mini series. Punisher fight? The fight between Hulk and Deathverine? Mindless Hulk dying from his separation from Banner. That Sam Keith miniseries was awful. I recall Wolverine getting one-shotted to Boston there... so??? Wolverine had his Death amp. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has fought Savage Hulk more than the two times you've referenced. And Savage Hulk isn't the only class 100 brick Wolverine has thrown down with by a long shoot... he isn't even the strongest iteration of the Hulk Wolverine has fought. And he gets one or two shotted by him. You're right that he's not the only class 100 brick Wolverine's fought. Skaar two-shotted him too. Juggernaut tossed him around and one-shotted him. Thing one-shotted him once. Sentry tossed him around and one-shotted him. Wolverine can fight class 100 bricks. But acting like Wolverine fights them while shrugging off their blows is a mischaracterization and bastardization. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shitty ABC logic? Wolverine can shrug off punches from the Hulk. A single blow from the Hulk is more damage than Iron Fist could dish out if he had all day to do it. That's not ABC logic, it's just called logic. Iron Fist can't put Wolverine down. Wolverine's base line average is better than, Danny's absolute very best 1 in 1000 outlier feats... by a long shot. The best Iron Fist could muster wouldn't make Wolverine bat an eye lid... he might as well spray Wolverine with saline solution for all the good it will do. Iron Fist can't beat Wolverine. Danny is a glass canon, Wolverine can't take his best shots in stride and drop him with a single blow. That's it.

Wolverine didn't have a healing factor until Uncanny X-Men 142. That's not a myth that can be busted because it is A fact. Prior to that he was a mutant with unspecified powers that seemed to be an undefined (and inconsistent) level of invulnerability and super senses. Prior to 1981, Wolverine did not have a healing factor. Invoking Hulk doesn't help your case, since Wolverine gets wrecked by him and has been wrecked by him. Wolverine's been knocked out by far less than Hulk. So your sh1tty ABC logic of comparing Iron Fist to Hulk's power output is meaningless.

Prior to 1981, we the audience did not know he had a defined healing factor that was responsible for the feats Wolverine had under his belt. After it was explicitly revealed, Wolverine's prior feats made complete sense in retrospect (how else does he survive getting knocked into lunar orbit by Jahf in 1977???). So he had a healing factor before 1981 in his appearances and it is applied. You also are aware of this because every single flashback to his pre-1981 appearances conserves those fights as they stood with his healing factor in play.

Until you have on-panel evidence that Wolverine did not have his healing factor to overturn all the flashbacks to his pre-1981 appearances, you're just making up sh1tty excuses and myths to disregard fights you don't care for. As for post-1981 fights that you want to disregard, you just make up other sh1tty excuses and invoke "zomg PIS" to disregard fights you don't care for. Your myth is busted. It was easy to bust. Stop trying to bring that sh1tty myth up.

So Wolverines HF is basically a retcon to explain bad writing?

Fantastic.

Originally posted by ODG
Two of the only times. Not the only two times.

Why even bother to specify that?

Originally posted by ODG
Mindless Hulk dying from his separation from Banner. That Sam Keith miniseries was awful. I recall Wolverine getting one-shotted to Boston there... so??? Wolverine had his Death amp. And he gets one or two shotted by him. You're right that he's not the only class 100 brick Wolverine's fought. Skaar two-shotted him too. Juggernaut tossed him around and one-shotted him. Thing one-shotted him once. Sentry tossed him around and one-shotted him. Wolverine can fight class 100 bricks. But acting like Wolverine fights them while shrugging off their blows is a mischaracterization and bastardization. Invoking Hulk doesn't help your case, since Wolverine gets wrecked by him and has been wrecked by him. Wolverine's been knocked out by far less than Hulk. So your sh1tty ABC logic of comparing Iron Fist to Hulk's power output is meaningless.


It's true Banner-less Hulk was dying, but he was also stronger than Savage Hulk.

The Sam Keith mini was better than both the examples you cited... by like 10 orders of magnitude on a logarithmic scale better. Although I do think it funny that you cite an example from one of the most universally reviled arcs in comic book history, and then have the audacity to write off another example because the book was "awful."

He got punched to Boston, but he was completely fine. Wolverine tanked being punched across state lines like it was nothing. Which should give you and indication of how much effect the Iron Fist will have on him. Hint: None what-so-ever.

Deathverine amp was the return of his Adamantium, a scimitar that shot a laser, and some other weaponry that he never used against the Hulk... that's it. He wasn't stronger, or faster and his healing factor wasn't amped any, the fact that he was Deathverine is of little to no significance. He got hit a good half a dozen plus times on panel before the Wolverine persona regained control and gave-up, then Apoc summed Deathverine back and said he and Hulk could fight for an eternity before either one of them won (something WWH also said).

It is the height of humor that you claim that Wolverine shrugging off class 100 blows is a "bastardization and characterization," then say something like "Thing one shotted Wolverine," as though that holds any weight. How many times have Thing and Wolverine fought? And how many times has Wolverine been one shotted? Same goes for the dozen or so times Wolverine has fought the Hulk. It's blatantly obvious that the example you are citing is the exception not the rule. For every single instance there is of Wolverine being one or two shotted by a class 100 brick there is half a dozen more when he takes those shots in stride like they are nothing. You are using the outlier to formulate your opinion and you have the gale to accuse someone else of creating a bastardize idealization of the character's abilities? What makes you think the minority representation is more valid that majority? The stuff you are citing can be countered by a margin of more than ten to one in a feat war. Not do you low ball Wolverine with bullshit PIS feats, that but in your next breath you purport the merits of the Iron Fist by citing 1 in a 100 examples like the train or helicarrier punch... as though that's the standard for Danny's striking power? 9 out of 10 times the Iron Fist is more or Spider-man, car destroyer level. Dude, I doubt your bias could be any more transparent if you tried.



Originally posted by ODG
Prior to 1981, we the audience did not know he had a defined healing factor that was responsible for the feats Wolverine had under his belt. After it was explicitly revealed, Wolverine's prior feats made complete sense in retrospect (how else does he survive getting knocked into lunar orbit by Jahf in 1977???). So he had a healing factor before 1981 in his appearances and it is applied. You also are aware of this because every single flashback to his pre-1981 appearances conserves those fights as they stood with his healing factor in play.

Until you have on-panel evidence that Wolverine did not have his healing factor to overturn all the flashbacks to his pre-1981 appearances, you're just making up sh1tty excuses and myths to disregard fights you don't care for. As for post-1981 fights that you want to disregard, you just make up other sh1tty excuses and invoke "zomg PIS" to disregard fights you don't care for. Your myth is busted. It was easy to bust. Stop trying to bring that sh1tty myth up.

Now you are purposely confusing the issue. You aren't citing flash backs that take place pre 1981 in Wolverine continuity, you are citing actually issues that were published in that time frame. Obviously we know that in current continuity Wolverine has always had a healing factor, but that wasn't always the case, and you are citing issues from before those clarifications were made. Sunspot originally didn't have enhanced durability to go along with his super strength.... the fact that he does now doesn't magically elevate all the feats of people injuring him prior to that point in his history of publication. Welcome to the world of retcons. If you want to cite Flashbacks, feel free to do so... but that is not what you are doing. You are citing examples from a well documented time when the writers had no idea what Wolverine's origin was, what his powers were and hadn't even decided if he was an actually mutant yet, and then pretending like those incidents have a relevant baring in a discussion regarding Wolverine now. They don't. In any issue of Wolverine published before 1981, Wolverine does not have a healing factor.

If you really don't understand the concept of retcons and continuity, I'm sure you can PM one of the mods and have them explain it to you.

Originally posted by cdtm
So Wolverines HF is basically a retcon to explain bad writing?

Fantastic.

Yes. Chris Claremont's seminal and universally acclaimed run on the Uncanny X-Men was bad writing. dur

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes. Chris Claremont's seminal and universally acclaimed run on the Uncanny X-Men was bad writing. dur

I don't know about his Xmen run, not being the biggest X-fan, but his Iron Fist run is pretty acclaimed too.

But I still think turning Yu Ti into an arsehole despot who happens to be the brother to his father that he helped murder (along with his mother) for the sake of drama is pretty poor writing (And how much sense does it make to push Danny into becoming the next Iron Fist, when Danny has every reason to avenge his family if he discovers Yu Ti's crimes?), even if I do enjoy other aspects of his run.

Tough fight for Logan. Team majority.

Individual 1 vs 1. Logan for the majority.

Wolverine wins.

Yep, he does.

Originally posted by cdtm
I don't know about his Xmen run, not being the biggest X-fan, but his Iron Fist run is pretty acclaimed too.


And thus the mystery of how a person could come to the absurd notion that Iron Fist could beat Wolverine, was solved.

I've read much more Wolverine than IF.

IF 10/10

Originally posted by Mindset
I've read much more Wolverine than IF.

IF 10/10

Maybe, but you also live your life in a meth haze...

Wolverine 10/10

If in doubt, thunderclap.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If in doubt, thunderclap.

That would do more damage to IF than Wolverine. lol

He's standing behind him, fool!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Maybe, but you also live your life in a meth haze...

Wolverine 10/10 Meth clears your mind to see the truth behind the truth.

IF 11/10

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's standing behind him, fool!

Because the thunderclap only goes in one direction! dur

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Why even bother to specify that?Because that is precisely what I said. The majority of Wolverine's fights with Hulk are accompanied with circumstance/weaker versions. This context is vitally important when it comes to judging your blanket statements. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's true Banner-less Hulk was dying, but he was also stronger than Savage Hulk. Feel free to prove it. In that very same Savage Land fight, Hulk got overpowered and beaten by a Tyrannosaurus. He experienced such debilitated weakness episodes following his separation with Banner that even Deadpool beat him with a god damn street pole. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The Sam Keith mini was better than both the examples you cited... by like 10 orders of magnitude on a logarithmic scale better. Although I do think it funny that you cite an example from one of the most universally reviled arcs in comic book history, and then have the audacity to write off another example because the book was "awful."The irony of this post cannot be understated. You're taking me to task because I don't care to focus on one particular fight? First, I never said that Savage Hulk has one/two-shotted Wolverine in every single fight they've ever had. Two, who the hell are you to be chastizing others on not taking a particular story's depictions at face value? You try and act like Daniel Way's entire 50-issue run of Wolverine: Origins never happened much less all his beatdowns by street levelers. For phucks sake, you don't even want to count anything published before 1981, short-bus. As for Sam Keith's mini, a god damn polar bear was overpowering the both of them in that Sam Keith mini. Reading that four issue series was like experiencing someone's else's acid trip:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/th_SamKeith01.jpg Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He got punched to Boston, but he was completely fine. Wolverine tanked being punched across state lines like it was nothing. Which should give you and indication of how much effect the Iron Fist will have on him. Hint: None what-so-ever.

Deathverine amp was the return of his Adamantium, a scimitar that shot a laser, and some other weaponry that he never used against the Hulk... that's it. He wasn't stronger, or faster and his healing factor wasn't amped any, the fact that he was Deathverine is of little to no significance. He got hit a good half a dozen plus times on panel before the Wolverine persona regained control and gave-up, then Apoc summed Deathverine back and said he and Hulk could fight for an eternity before either one of them won (something WWH also said). One-shot BFR. So much for "shrugging it off."

Deathverine amp was an amp. Don't force the mods to remind you that amps aren't standard for characters... again. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It is the height of humor that you claim that Wolverine shrugging off class 100 blows is a "bastardization and characterization," then say something like "Thing one shotted Wolverine," as though that holds any weight. How many times have Thing and Wolverine fought? And how many times has Wolverine been one shotted? Same goes for the dozen or so times Wolverine has fought the Hulk. It's blatantly obvious that the example you are citing is the exception not the rule. For every single instance there is of Wolverine being one or two shotted by a class 100 brick there is half a dozen more when he takes those shots in stride like they are nothing. You are using the outlier to formulate your opinion and you have the gale to accuse someone else of creating a bastardize idealization of the character's abilities? What makes you think the minority representation is more valid that majority? The stuff you are citing can be countered by a margin of more than ten to one in a feat war. Not do you low ball Wolverine with bullshit PIS feats, that but in your next breath you purport the merits of the Iron Fist by citing 1 in a 100 examples like the train or helicarrier punch... as though that's the standard for Danny's striking power? 9 out of 10 times the Iron Fist is more or Spider-man, car destroyer level. Dude, I doubt your bias could be any more transparent if you tried.Your shallow remarks deserve shallow rebuttals. You want to pretend that Wolverine's standard operating status is him shrugging off class 100 blows? Then you need a reminder of all the times he hasn't. And the bluntest way to do that is to remind you of all the times he's been casually one-shotted by class 100s. Sorry that it chafes. You set yourself up for your own disappointment, after all. And your idiotic ultimatums don't mean sh1t to me.

You wan to battlezone your god damn claim that Iron Fist's best shot won't make Wolverine even bat an eyelid? You're on. Make the topic, smart-mouth. Or shut the phuck up with this horsecrap you're panhandling. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Now you are purposely confusing the issue. You aren't citing flash backs that take place pre 1981 in Wolverine continuity, you are citing actually issues that were published in that time frame. Obviously we know that in current continuity Wolverine has always had a healing factor, but that wasn't always the case, and you are citing issues from before those clarifications were made. Sunspot originally didn't have enhanced durability to go along with his super strength.... the fact that he does now doesn't magically elevate all the feats of people injuring him prior to that point in his history of publication. Welcome to the world of retcons. If you want to cite Flashbacks, feel free to do so... but that is not what you are doing. You are citing examples from a well documented time when the writers had no idea what Wolverine's origin was, what his powers were and hadn't even decided if he was an actually mutant yet, and then pretending like those incidents have a relevant baring in a discussion regarding Wolverine now. They don't. In any issue of Wolverine published before 1981, Wolverine does not have a healing factor.

If you really don't understand the concept of retcons and continuity, I'm sure you can PM one of the mods and have them explain it to you. Shut the phuck up. Wolverine in the past had a healing factor. He had a healing factor after he hit puberty. All of his past historical flashback stories show that. In every issue published before 1981, he had a healing factor. 1977 Wolverine doesn't survive getting punched into lunar orbit by Jahf without it. 1978 Wolverine even mentioned he had accelerated healing explicitly. And him having a healing factor was the only god damn explanation for him surviving adamantium being bonded to his entire skeletal structure which was a mystery almost from the god damn beginning. He obviously had a healing factor, and it being explicitly detailed later only makes its presence in prior stories obvious in retrospect.

You not liking a few pre-1981 stories where you think "he got beaten too easily" doesn't change that. The fact is, you b1tch and moan more about post-1981 stories where "he got beaten too easily" more than you do about the pre-1981 ones.

IDLI =/= reverse-retcon. Your myth is a sh1tty myth. And it's been busted already.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because the thunderclap only goes in one direction! dur

Proof:

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd89/ils411/clap.gif

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And thus the mystery of how a person could come to the absurd notion that Iron Fist could beat Wolverine, was solved.

The only mystery, is how you, of all people, would assume not being a X-fan = not following Wolverine.

Not to mention, Wolverine has only been in EVERYTHING, and he has plenty of stories outside of X-books.

But, perhaps more pertinently:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/103745/2301298-2117245-1837238-luke_thunder_clap_super_super.png

Notice how:
A: chandeliers do not move, but more importantly;
B: Iron Fist is behind him. Also, note how his own baby is next to him, and is fine, and yet, Hand is thrown backwards a good few feet and shattering some pots. Ergo, its not equally powerful in a 360 degree arc around him.

Originally posted by ODG
Feel free to prove it. In that Savage Land fight, he got overpowered and beaten by a Tyrannosaurus. He experienced such debilitated weakness episodes following his separation with Banner that even Deadpool beat him with a god damn street pole.

He also beat Gladiator and Abom, in the same time frame. Bannerless Hulk was directly stated to be more powerful than the Savage Hulk... that was the entire reason Hulk separated from Banner in the Onslaught Saga. It just happened that there was the negative side effect of the separation killing him.

Originally posted by ODG
The irony of this post cannot be understated. You're taking me to task because I don't care to focus on one particular fight? First, I never said that Savage Hulk has one/two-shotted Wolverine in every single fight they've ever had. Two, who the hell are you to be chastizing others on not taking a particular story's depictions at face value? You try and act like Daniel Way's entire 50-issue run of Wolverine: Origins never happened much less all his beatdowns by street levelers. For phucks sake, you don't even want to count anything published before 1981, short-bus. As for Sam Keith's mini, a god damn polar bear was overpowering the both of them in that Sam Keith mini. Reading that four issue series was like experiencing someone's else's acid trip:


I don't think you understand what the word irony means.

My dismissal of many feats that took place in Wolverine Origins has nothing to do with how terrible the book is and everything to do with the fact that Origins is 50 + issues of poor characterization and misrepresentation of the character based on how he has consistently been portrayed in comics for the last 30 years. Way nerfed Wolverine's (and Deadpool's) power level significantly to the point that it does not fall in like with the majority representation of the character and thus according the KMC forum rule is rendered invalid. The quality of the writing is irrelevant, it could have been the greatest run in Wolverine's history and the net result would be the same. If you don't like it, propose a rule change.

Originally posted by ODG
Deathverine amp was an amp. Don't force the mods to remind you that amps aren't standard for characters... again.


Feel free to prove that Deathverine was amped. I'll be waiting. Wolverine got his Adamantium skeleton back. That was the extent of the amp... a return to the Wolverine status quo.

Also FYI, I've never been reminded my mods that amps aren't standard for the characters champ.


Originally posted by ODG
You want to pretend that Wolverine's standard operating status is him shrugging off class 100 blows? Then you need a reminder of all the times he hasn't. And the bluntest way to do that is to remind you of all the times he's been casually one-shotted by class 100s. Sorry that it chafes. You set yourself up for your own disappointment, after all. And your idiotic ultimatums don't mean sh1t to me.


I'm not pretending anything, that is Wolverine's standard "operating status." You are the one dreaming up fairy tales and trying to build a case on the back of PIS by low balling the character. You don't need to apologize for any chafing, because you can't cite enough examples of Wolverine being "casually one-shotted by class 100s" to warrant even a mild skin irritation. You and I both know that for every single example of Wolverine being one shotted by a class 100, there are half a dozen of him eating those blows in stride. There is no debate to be had here, but by all means feel free to continue making yourself look like a fool by perusing this idiotic train of thought.

Originally posted by ODG
You wan to battlezone your god damn claim that Iron Fist's best shot won't make Wolverine even bat an eyelid? You're on. Make the topic, smart-mouth. Or shut the phuck up with this horsecrap you're panhandling. Shut the phuck up.


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4q07hAV7E1rnfdl2.gif

Easiest ****ing Battlezone ever, I'll take that challenge any time you want buddy and laugh all the way to the bank.

Originally posted by ODG
Wolverine in the past had a healing factor. He had a healing factor after he hit puberty. All of his past historical flashback stories show that. In every issue published before 1981, he had a healing factor. 1977 Wolverine doesn't survive getting punched into lunar orbit by Jahf without it. 1978 Wolverine even mentioned he had accelerated healing explicitly. And him having a healing factor was the only god damn explanation for him surviving adamantium being bonded to his entire skeletal structure which was a mystery almost from the god damn beginning. He obviously had a healing factor, and it being explicitly detailed later only makes its presence in prior stories obvious in retrospect.


facepalm

Again: You are confusing continuity with publication history. Wolverine had a healing factor when he hit puberty and x gene activated???? No shit, Sherlock. That isn't the issue. You aren't citing flash backs or other stories told in the past after the revelation that Wolverine had a healing factor was made, you are citing issues that were published before a healing factor was written into the character and pretend that the hold the same weight. Well, they don't. Wolverine told Storm not to worry because "He healed fast," a throw a way one liner, nothing more, and nothing less. A line that has been said in hundreds of movies, by hundreds of human characters, hell Punisher has sad THE. EXACT. SAME. THING. and he doesn't have a healing factor. Now it might have been the impetus of Wolverine's future origin, the seed that resulted in Clarmont later giving Wolverine a healing factor... but that seed didn't bloom until 1981 in Uncanny X-Men 142. He survived being punched into orbit because he had an undefined level of invulnerability, not a healing factor. Both Bullseye and Hammerhead, have had their skeleton's partially and fully, respectably, replaced with Adamantium... and neither of them has any sort of healing factor. If the comic was published before 1981, Wolverine didn't have a healing factor. If it came after that point... he did. Do you understand why you saying "HE HADA HEALING FACTORZ WHEN HE PUPERTY!121!!!!" is of no relevance? All those stories came after 1981... and were building on the established Wolverine mythos and the powers that he was established as having in Uncanny X-Men 142.

Originally posted by ODG
You not liking a few pre-1981 stories where you think "he got beaten too easily" doesn't change that. The fact is, you b1tch and moan more about post-1981 stories where "he got beaten too easily" more than you do about the pre-1981 ones.


What are you even mewling about? Claremont's run on Uncanny X-Men is a decade and a half of gold. I like it... almost everyone likes it, like I said a few posts ago, it's a universally praised and seminal run. None of which changes that fact that in the issues being discussed right now, the writing and editorial staff had not yet decided what Wolverine's powers were. Uncanny X-Men 142 is the first appearance of Wolverine's healing factor and it is referenced constantly from that point onward as being Wolverine's mutant ability. Prior to that he had some nebulous and ill-defined abilities, and those issues don't hold any relevance as harvest material for Wolverine feats. Now can you stop braying, and start composing and actually relevant counter point... or are you going to continue with this embarrassing charade?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But, perhaps more pertinently:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/103745/2301298-2117245-1837238-luke_thunder_clap_super_super.png

Notice how:
A: chandeliers do not move, but more importantly;
B: Iron Fist is behind him. Also, note how his own baby is next to him, and is fine, and yet, Hand is thrown backwards a good few feet and shattering some pots. Ergo, its not equally powerful in a 360 degree arc around him.

PIS, if it had been handled correctly... Luke would have murdered his baby.

Stop lowballing the baby....

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7bl4hWlDS1qzto8jo1_250.gif

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Dude you troll so hard, the mods should change your name to Chael Sonnen.
LOOOOOOOOOOOL

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He also beat Gladiator and Abom, in the same time frame. Bannerless Hulk was directly stated to be more powerful than the Savage Hulk... that was the entire reason Hulk separated from Banner in the Onslaught Saga. It just happened that there was the negative side effect of the separation killing him. Right, and lost to a Tyrannosaurus and Deadpool... badly in the same time frame. He fluctuated enormously. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't think you understand what the word irony means.

My dismissal of many feats that took place in Wolverine Origins has nothing to do with how terrible the book is and everything to do with the fact that Origins is 50 + issues of poor characterization and misrepresentation of the character based on how he has consistently been portrayed in comics for the last 30 years. Way nerfed Wolverine's (and Deadpool's) power level significantly to the point that it does not fall in like with the majority representation of the character and thus according the KMC forum rule is rendered invalid. The quality of the writing is irrelevant, it could have been the greatest run in Wolverine's history and the net result would be the same. If you don't like it, propose a rule change. Translation: "Waah waah waah. The comics I don't like, some spanning several years of continuity... I don't like and I am allowed to pretend they never happened! But you're nt allowed to like a Sam Keith mini where Wolverine looked good against Hulk even though Wolverine and Hulk get slapped around by a polar bear !!!!"

Wolverine: Origins ran for over 4 years. Before 1981, Wolverine was around for 7 years. You are in no position to judge anyone on who is being picky and choosy over what comics they're not taking at face value. Your flimsy, carefree treatment of over a decade's worth of Wolverine's appearances finds no justification in the rules. They're canon. They're not SMvFL or BPvSS. That's what PIS is. Not your childish hand-wringing over Wolverine being given a hard time by streets, much less Hulk. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Feel free to prove that Deathverine was amped. I'll be waiting. Wolverine got his Adamantium skeleton back. That was the extent of the amp... a return to the Wolverine status quo.

Also FYI, I've never been reminded my mods that amps aren't standard for the characters champ.He walked right through Cyclops beam easily, no sold a blind-sided suckershot from Colossus and zapped Colossus with his gauntlet. To quote Bugs Bunny, "Don't be such a maroon!"

Let's not revive the Hellverine debacle. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not pretending anything, that is Wolverine's standard "operating status." You are the one dreaming up fairy tales and trying to build a case on the back of PIS by low balling the character. You don't need to apologize for any chafing, because you can't cite enough examples of Wolverine being "casually one-shotted by class 100s" to warrant even a mild skin irritation. You and I both know that for every single example of Wolverine being one shotted by a class 100, there are half a dozen of him eating those blows in stride. There is no debate to be had here, but by all means feel free to continue making yourself look like a fool by perusing this idiotic train of thought.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4q07hAV7E1rnfdl2.gif

Easiest ****ing Battlezone ever, I'll take that challenge any time you want buddy and laugh all the way to the bank. Make the battlezone topic over this issue: "The best Iron Fist could muster wouldn't make Wolverine bat an eye lid... he might as well spray Wolverine with saline solution for all the good it will do."

Do it now in the Battlezone forum. Five posts each. We'll pick judges afterwards or let a mod pick judges. I don't want you slinking away from this like so many others do. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
facepalm

Again: You are confusing continuity with publication history. Wolverine had a healing factor when he hit puberty and x gene activated???? No shit, Sherlock. That isn't the issue. You aren't citing flash backs or other stories told in the past after the revelation that Wolverine had a healing factor was made, you are citing issues that were published before a healing factor was written into the character and pretend that the hold the same weight. Well, they don't. Wolverine told Storm not to worry because "He healed fast," a throw a way one liner, nothing more, and nothing less. A line that has been said in hundreds of movies, by hundreds of human characters, hell Punisher has sad THE. EXACT. SAME. THING. and he doesn't have a healing factor. Now it might have been the impetus of Wolverine's future origin, the seed that resulted in Clarmont later giving Wolverine a healing factor... but that seed didn't bloom until 1981 in Uncanny X-Men 142. He survived being punched into orbit because he had an undefined level of invulnerability, not a healing factor. Both Bullseye and Hammerhead, have had their skeleton's partially and fully, respectably, replaced with Adamantium... and neither of them has any sort of healing factor. If the comic was published before 1981, Wolverine didn't have a healing factor. If it came after that point... he did. Do you understand why you saying "HE HADA HEALING FACTORZ WHEN HE PUPERTY!121!!!!" is of no relevance? All those stories came after 1981... and were building on the established Wolverine mythos and the powers that he was established as having in Uncanny X-Men 142. You don't need to write an essay to prove how stupid you are. Wolverine was a mysterious character. Like any mysterious character, they didn't reveal all his cards from the very beginning. You can't separate out the history from the character and pretend that all his feats that show extraordinary healing, feats that could not have been possible without extraordinary healing, his very nature as having adamantium completely bonded to every single bone in his body, as somehow not having a healing factor. This bs myth that Wolverine was some malformed amorphous character is nothing but bs. Per canon, he had a healing factor ever since his mutation kicked in. Per publishing, he had feats that show he has accelerated healing otherwise he would have died. Had there been a single statement where Wolverine or another character noted that Wolverine doesn't heal any better than a normal human, you'd have an argument. As it stands, you have no evidence that he positively had no healing factor. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What are you even mewling about? Claremont's run on Uncanny X-Men is a decade and a half of gold. I like it... almost everyone likes it, like I said a few posts ago, it's a universally praised and seminal run. None of which changes that fact that in the issues being discussed right now, the writing and editorial staff had not yet decided what Wolverine's powers were. Uncanny X-Men 142 is the first appearance of Wolverine's healing factor and it is referenced constantly from that point onward as being Wolverine's mutant ability. Prior to that he had some nebulous and ill-defined abilities, and those issues don't hold any relevance as harvest material for Wolverine feats. Now can you stop braying, and start composing and actually relevant counter point... or are you going to continue with this embarrassing charade? Stop trying to pretend it never happened then. You have no on-panel evidence that he had no healing factor. You don't even have an editor's/ writer's interview saying he had no healing factor (even though per KMC forum rules, those are inadmissable). Wolverine wasn't nebulous, he wasn't ill-defined. He was a mutant, he had "powers," he was really strong, really fast, freakishly durable even though he could be occasionally ktfo, he had adamantium, he went into berserker rages, embarassed others in training sessions, he was a trained operative for the Canadian government, he said "bub," he was mysterious (in that there's-more-to-him-than-meets-the-eye type of way), he could survive being sent into lunar orbit by Jahf, shrug off being engulfed in flame, was noted to heal extremely fast, and was capable of fighting with the Hulk and Wendigo.

Now you can stop with your 5-year old whining and crying about "NO! THAS NOTS FAIR!!!! WOLVERINE HAZZED NO POWERS BACK THEN, U NOT ALLOWED TO TALKS ABOUTS EM!!!!!" Every time Wolverine gets beat up by a street leveler, or anything less than an atom bomb, you make the same god damn excuse about his healing factor. And we're all tired of hearing about it.

Now make that battlezone and don't you b1tch out.

God dam...

This is basically Logan vs IF all over again. No disrespect to Cage but he will get skewered almost instantly. Logan will go after him first.

Originally posted by ODG
Right, and lost to a Tyrannosaurus and Deadpool... badly in the same time frame. He fluctuated enormously. Translation: "Waah waah waah. The comics I don't like, some spanning several years of continuity... I don't like and I am allowed to pretend they never happened! But you're nt allowed to like a Sam Keith mini where Wolverine looked good against Hulk even though Wolverine and Hulk get slapped around by a polar bear !!!!"

Wolverine: Origins ran for over 4 years. Before 1981, Wolverine was around for 7 years. You are in no position to judge anyone on who is being picky and choosy over what comics they're not taking at face value. Your flimsy, carefree treatment of over a decade's worth of Wolverine's appearances finds no justification in the rules. They're canon. They're not SMvFL or BPvSS. That's what PIS is. Not your childish hand-wringing over Wolverine being given a hard time by streets, much less Hulk. He walked right through Cyclops beam easily, no sold a blind-sided suckershot from Colossus and zapped Colossus with his gauntlet. To quote Bugs Bunny, "Don't be such a maroon!"

Let's not revive the Hellverine debacle. Make the battlezone topic over this issue: "The best Iron Fist could muster wouldn't make Wolverine bat an eye lid... he might as well spray Wolverine with saline solution for all the good it will do."

Do it now in the Battlezone forum. Five posts each. We'll pick judges afterwards or let a mod pick judges. I don't want you slinking away from this like so many others do. You don't need to write an essay to prove how stupid you are. Wolverine was a mysterious character. Like any mysterious character, they didn't reveal all his cards from the very beginning. You can't separate out the history from the character and pretend that all his feats that show extraordinary healing, feats that could not have been possible without extraordinary healing, his very nature as having adamantium completely bonded to every single bone in his body, as somehow not having a healing factor. This bs myth that Wolverine was some malformed amorphous character is nothing but bs. Per canon, he had a healing factor ever since his mutation kicked in. Per publishing, he had feats that show he has accelerated healing otherwise he would have died. Had there been a single statement where Wolverine or another character noted that Wolverine doesn't heal any better than a normal human, you'd have an argument. As it stands, you have no evidence that he positively had no healing factor. Stop trying to pretend it never happened then. You have no on-panel evidence that he had no healing factor. You don't even have an editor's/ writer's interview saying he had no healing factor (even though per KMC forum rules, those are inadmissable). Wolverine wasn't nebulous, he wasn't ill-defined. He was a mutant, he had "powers," he was really strong, really fast, freakishly durable even though he could be occasionally ktfo, he had adamantium, he went into berserker rages, embarassed others in training sessions, he was a trained operative for the Canadian government, he said "bub," he was mysterious (in that there's-more-to-him-than-meets-the-eye type of way), he could survive being sent into lunar orbit by Jahf, shrug off being engulfed in flame, was noted to heal extremely fast, and was capable of fighting with the Hulk and Wendigo.

Now you can stop with your 5-year old whining and crying about "NO! THAS NOTS FAIR!!!! WOLVERINE HAZZED NO POWERS BACK THEN, U NOT ALLOWED TO TALKS ABOUTS EM!!!!!" Every time Wolverine gets beat up by a street leveler, or anything less than an atom bomb, you make the same god damn excuse about his healing factor. And we're all tired of hearing about it.

Now make that battlezone and don't you b1tch out. Not trying to interrupt your conversation but do you really believe that all the writers who wrote Wolverine prior to that year.. All of them... Had a silent agreement that he had a healing factor rather than just superhuman durability? I'm asking because Black Cat beat Sabertooth when he had no HF. The fight stayed in continuity but his healing factor clearly wasn't present when they fought.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do you understand why you saying "HE HADA HEALING FACTORZ WHEN HE PUPERTY!121!!!!" is of no relevance?


Dang it srank. I was enjoying my coffee up until I read that.

Originally posted by SamZED
Not trying to interrupt your conversation but do you really believe that all the writers who wrote Wolverine prior to that year.. All of them... Had a silent agreement that he had a healing factor rather than just superhuman durability? I'm asking because Black Cat beat Sabertooth when he had no HF. The fight stayed in continuity but his healing factor clearly wasn't present when they fought. Conversation is hardly meant to be limited, it's an open one; so no need to be politely cautious about throwing in your two cents. My question is, did they need to have a silent agreement that he had a healing factor? Sabretooth displayed accelerated healing in a drag-out knock-down fight with Ms. Marvel before he ever fought Black Cat too in his second appearance.

I don't care what fanboys like us can theorize that writers agree on unless its shown on-panel. Unless Wolverine absolutely could not have a healing factor, which is something that you'd need positive clear evidence for, you cannot discount that per comics history he did have a healing factor back then, especially not when it's supported by his actual healing feats back then and all the hints and allusions.

Just because the writers likely didn't decide Wolverine was a mutant in his first appearance with Hulk doesn't mean he wasn't a mutant in that specific issue and so... hey... a Sentinel wouldn't bother with him. Just because the writers didn't likely decide Wolverine had his claws attached to his skeletal structure, doesn't mean that they weren't and so... hey... I can argue Cap could simply pull his gloves off and beat him easy. Just because the writers didn't likely decide Wolverine had full adamantium lacing over all his bones back then, doesn't mean he didn't have full lacing and so... hey... Iron Man could only magnetize his claws.

That kind of precise paring is absolutely retarded. A new fully formed revelation that is both supported and obvious in retrospect, doesn't reverse-retcon a character. There is no on-panel proof he had no healing factor. We know at that age and with that history, he did. And just because there are some "low feats" according to some people that make it suspect that the writer intends him to have a healing factor along with some high feats that make it obvious he does, doesn't mean he has no healing factor ever. In current times, the same exact thing happens.

Originally posted by ODG
Right, and lost to a Tyrannosaurus and Deadpool... badly in the same time frame. He fluctuated enormously.

First he didn't lose to Deadpool, he got tricked into impaling himself on a pipe... then Deadpool teleported away because he only wanted Hulk's blood in the first place. Anyway the examples you have cited question the durability and stamina of Bannerless Hulk, but not his strength... which is what is germane to this particular conversation. Wolverine didn't beat up Bannerless Hulk, he meerly tanked a punch from him, and Bannerless Hulk was stated as being stronger than Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by ODG
Translation: "Waah waah waah. The comics I don't like, some spanning several years of continuity... I don't like and I am allowed to pretend they never happened! But you're nt allowed to like a Sam Keith mini where Wolverine looked good against Hulk even though Wolverine and Hulk get slapped around by a polar bear !!!!"


Yeah I'm reeeeeeeeeeeeeal butt hurt about it. It keeps me up at night.

As usual, you're the one throwing a temper tantrum, and have resorted to your typical straw manning like you do every time you can't formulate an actual rebuttal. Again - and I'm not sure how much clearer I can be lay this out for you - "liking" the issues at hand has nothing to do with what we are talking about, the forum rules are very clear on what his considered valid and appropriate.

Full Capacity

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.

It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

AND

No Mentioning Events of PIS

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

I don't ignore anything because "I don't like it," my personal feelings on the quality of an arc or individual issue are completely irrelevant when determining the validity in using a particular example as evidence in a forum match. The rules that cover this issue - as posted above - are clearly stated and defined. High or low, if something is inconstant with the majority representation of a character, then it is irrelevant in these discussions. You my friend are the one who lets his personal feelings dictate what feats are and are not valid in order to facilitate your own confirmation bias, I am merely fallowing the rules as laid out by the forum Mods, rules that exist to create a single consistent portrait of a character for the sole purpose of debate. So we don't treat Thor being knocked out by a falling mast, and him tanking punches form Gladiator with equal objectivity because we can't. Without some extenuating circumstance there is no way to reconcile the conflicting portrayal in a singular ideation of a character... which is why we don't even bother trying.

The rules clearly specifies that a character operates at the best of their abilities, where as you are clearly low balling the character by basing your argument around bottom of the barrel PIS examples that don't fall in line with majority representation of the character. We have these rules for a reason Dumb, fallow them. Stop looking for examples that support your twisted idea of how things should be, and start formulating opinions based on that facts that are presented to you.

Originally posted by ODG
Do it now in the Battlezone forum. Five posts each. We'll pick judges afterwards or let a mod pick judges. I don't want you slinking away from this like so many others do.

Fine, the threads up. I'm not proving a negative, so make your point and then I'll counter it.

Originally posted by ODG
You don't need to write an essay to prove how stupid you are. Wolverine was a mysterious character. Like any mysterious character, they didn't reveal all his cards from the very beginning. You can't separate out the history from the character and pretend that all his feats that show extraordinary healing, feats that could not have been possible without extraordinary healing, his very nature as having adamantium completely bonded to every single bone in his body, as somehow not having a healing factor. This bs myth that Wolverine was some malformed amorphous character is nothing but bs. Per canon, he had a healing factor ever since his mutation kicked in. Per publishing, he had feats that show he has accelerated healing otherwise he would have died. Had there been a single statement where Wolverine or another character noted that Wolverine doesn't heal any better than a normal human, you'd have an argument. As it stands, you have no evidence that he positively had no healing factor.

Don't you don't know the difference between an essay, and a paragraph?

They didn't reveal the cards at the very begin because they didn't know what the cards were. He was supposed to be a teen-age Spider-man analogue with claws built into his gloves, then he was going to be a mutant Wolverine who just looked human by happenstance of his mutation, and then he became more or less the Wolverine we know. There wasn't a deliberate intent from the writer to hide the fact that Wolverine had a healing factor, the simply handed decided he had one yet. Originally Wolverine simply had animistic characteristics, and undefined level of invulnerability, and there was no need to specify what his powers were because it was originally intended that Wolverine would be killed off. This stuff is all well documented. They were still hinting at the fact that Logan wasn't even a mutant

Also... why on earth would a writer specify that a character doesn't have a healing factor? That's not how things work. Show me a line of dialogue that states that Foggy Nelson is not a Herald of Galactus! dur

Originally posted by ODG
Stop trying to pretend it never happened then. You have no on-panel evidence that he had no healing factor. You don't even have an editor's/ writer's interview saying he had no healing factor (even though per KMC forum rules, those are inadmissable). Wolverine wasn't nebulous, he wasn't ill-defined. He was a mutant, he had "powers," he was really strong, really fast, freakishly durable even though he could be occasionally ktfo, he had adamantium, he went into berserker rages, embarassed others in training sessions, he was a trained operative for the Canadian government, he said "bub," he was mysterious (in that there's-more-to-him-than-meets-the-eye type of way), he could survive being sent into lunar orbit by Jahf, shrug off being engulfed in flame, was noted to heal extremely fast, and was capable of fighting with the Hulk and Wendigo.


I've never said that didn't happen, I said they irrelevant to the discussion... because they are. Do to retcon's and 30 years of character development the feats carried out in the Claremont's Uncanny X-Men prior to 1981 are largely inconsequential and are applicable to any discussion involving the current iteration of the character. Even if we pretended that this fairy tale that you've spun was accurate there would still be 30 years of natural character evolution on top of all this, that would leave you espousing the merits of feats that are the equivalent of teenage Spider-man struggling with Kingpin in a contest of strength, pretending that those hold an sort ground in relationship to the current operation levels of the character.

Wolverine didn't have a healing factor prior to 1981.


Originally posted by ODG
Now you can stop with your 5-year old whining and crying about "NO! THAS NOTS FAIR!!!! WOLVERINE HAZZED NO POWERS BACK THEN, U NOT ALLOWED TO TALKS ABOUTS EM!!!!!" Every time Wolverine gets beat up by a street leveler, or anything less than an atom bomb, you make the same god damn excuse about his healing factor. And we're all tired of hearing about it.




Christ you are butt hurt, you are acting so juvenile, its cute how easily you get frustrated.

As much as you'd like to pretend that the only Wolverine feats that matter are Punisher hitting Wolverine in the nuts with a baseball bat, and Daredevil punching him in the throat, that isn't how things work on this forum. The rules are clear as to what is and what is not considered applicable, and for whatever reason your sad confirmation bias prevents you from fallowing this rules. Wolverine's baseline average is FAR and above what Iron Fist is capable off, and for everyone of your sad sack low ball feats, I can cite a dozen more to support my stance. You've been a member of this site for a long time, stop pretending like you need someone to hold your hand and explain how things work to you.

We aren't here to write a character bio or bibliography, we are here to debate and decide which characters would win fights. In order to do that we have a set of forum rules that dictate what feats are and are not relevant to the discussion, so that we can formulate a consistent and accurate idea of what the characters are capable of and have everything on the same page. For those purposes not everything is valid merely by virtue of being canon, and further more you don't have the luxury of picking and choosing the feats you want to matter in order to conform to a preconceived notion of what the character can and can't do. How a characters is typically portrayed is what is of the out most importance, any showings - high or low - that do not fall in line with a character's baseline average are completely irrelevant whether they are PIS or not.

SIMPLE

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
First he didn't lose to Deadpool, he got tricked into impaling himself on a pipe... then Deadpool teleported away because he only wanted Hulk's blood in the first place. Anyway the examples you have cited question the durability and stamina of Bannerless Hulk, but not his strength... which is what is germane to this particular conversation. Wolverine didn't beat up Bannerless Hulk, he meerly tanked a punch from him, and Bannerless Hulk was stated as being stronger than Savage Hulk.

Yeah I'm reeeeeeeeeeeeeal butt hurt about it. It keeps me up at night.

As usual, you're the one throwing a temper tantrum, and have resorted to your typical straw manning like you do every time you can't formulate an actual rebuttal. Again - and I'm not sure how much clearer I can be lay this out for you - "liking" the issues at hand has nothing to do with what we are talking about, the forum rules are very clear on what his considered valid and appropriate. I don't care about weakened versions of Hulk that get overpowered by a Tyrannosaurus. You do. Cry more about it. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Full Capacity

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.

It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened Did Wolverine explicitly have no healing factor pre-1981? No. You have not presented any explicit on-panel evidence suggesting it. So pretending like I cannot refer to 7 whole years of some of the most important, vital history of Wolverine's adventures when you have not produced a single shred of explicit on-panel evidence that explicitly says he has no healing factor means nothing to me. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels. Wolverine has never casually waded through Cyclops focused beams or zapped Colossus with energy blasts from his hands. Deathverine was an amp. I don't care about amped characters. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't ignore anything because "I don't like it," my personal feelings on the quality of an arc or individual issue are completely irrelevant when determining the validity in using a particular example as evidence in a forum match. The rules that cover this issue - as posted above - are clearly stated and defined.No sh1t, Sherlock. Use them and understand them properly. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Fine, the threads up. I'm not proving a negative, so make your point and then I'll counter it.Don't b1tch out. You made your blanket statements and have argued them til the cows come home. This is a positive statement, not a negative: "The best Iron Fist could muster wouldn't make Wolverine bat an eye lid... he might as well spray Wolverine with saline solution for all the good it will do." And you've been arguing it with your backwards-a$$ Hulk=/=Iron Fist ABC logic from the start.

Don't b1tch out.

Was there really a big difference between Wolverines damage soak prior Claremont? Not sure if Hulk always had a healing factor either......or Captain America.

Originally posted by SamZED
This is basically Logan vs IF all over again. No disrespect to Cage but he will get skewered almost instantly. Logan will go after him first. False, don't underestimate cage at all. As stated before Using ground pounds and thunder claps he has the power to do some serious damage from a distance.

Originally posted by Trackz
False, don't underestimate cage at all. As stated before Using ground pounds and thunder claps he has the power to do some serious damage from a distance.

Against Victoria Hand?

Originally posted by Trackz
False, don't underestimate cage at all. As stated before Using ground pounds and thunder claps he has the power to do some serious damage from a distance. but its not really in Cage's CIS. Hed mosy likely charge at Logan. And that wont end well.

Originally posted by Deadline
Against Victoria Hand? that was obviously a tame one he was using, but Luke Cage should definitely not be counted out of this fight.

Originally posted by SamZED
but its not really in Cage's CIS. Hed mosy likely charge at Logan. And that wont end well. From what I've read, Cage isn't the most skilled fighter, but he works well with what he knows. If he knows Wolverine can skewer him, I hardly see him running at Wolverine. Cage by no means could take a majority against Wolverine one-on-one. Ge can't one-shot him. But if he lands a few thunder claps and maybe one hay maker before going down, that will do plenty to weaken Logans healing factor. If you don't believe Ironfist can one-shot logan, he could definitely be able to after Cage wreaks havoc on Logan's cranium.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We aren't here to write a character bio or bibliography, we are here to debate and decide which characters would win fights. Then stop trying to act like some arbiter of canon material and editorialize what adventures we're allowed to talk about and what adventures we're not allowed to talk about because of your juvenile, half-baked notions.

The 7 years of Wolverine's Claremont's adventures are canon to the character, so deal with it. So are the 4 years of Wolverine: Origins. Those lengthy adventures do not constitute some one-off victory of a street-leveler beating a Herald of Galactus, which is what PIS is. PIS =/= your guesswork that maybe the healing factor was completely non-existent based on: 1) no on-panel proof, 2) no writer/editor interviews (that are banned from the KMC rules anyway), and 3) actual allusions and feats of his accelerated healing.

Nuff said. Originally posted by Deadline
Was there really a big difference between Wolverines damage soak prior Claremont? Not sure if Hulk always had a healing factor either......or Captain America. No, there wasn't. He could survive being swatted by Colossus full force, survive getting knocked into lunar orbit by Jahf (who railed Colossus), survive being completely engulfed in flame, survived Harry Leland's gravity assault that sent him crashing through the Hellfire mansion into the sewers, survived Hulk's shot in their Hulk/Wendigo fight... etc.

Srank is drinking the Wolverine koolaid.

Home brewed.

Originally posted by Mindset
Srank is drinking the Wolverine koolaid.

You guys should try it, wash the taste of Iron Fist's cock out of your mouth.

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You just picking and choosing the parts of my post you want to respond to now Dumb? *sigh*

Whatever is convenient for you I guess, it's not like you are saying anything that I haven't discredited a dozen times already.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is a better chance of him hurting himself punching Wolverine, then there is of him doing any sort of lasting damage to Wolverine. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Danny's most powerful punch is an impotent wet noodle compared to what Wolverine has shrugged off with a smile on his face. If you think Iron Fist can beat Wolverine, you need to get you f@cking head examined, because there is something wrong. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Iron Fist might as well be throwing snow balls, because he has NO chance of putting Wolverine down for the count. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Iron Fist can't put Wolverine down. Wolverine's base line average is better than, Danny's absolute very best 1 in 1000 outlier feats... by a long shot. The best Iron Fist could muster wouldn't make Wolverine bat an eye lid... he might as well spray Wolverine with saline solution for all the good it will do. I had plenty of idiotic posts like this to pick and choose from. You didn't want to battlezone it because you didn't want judges to declare how retarded you are. Fine by me. They speak for themselves.

Nice attempt at trying to resucitate that bullsh1t "pre-1981 Wolverine was depowered" myth though. kinda

Originally posted by ODG
I had plenty of idiotic posts like this to pick and choose from. You didn't want to battlezone it because you didn't want judges to declare how retarded you are. Fine by me. They speak for themselves.

Nice attempt at trying to resucitate that bullsh1t "pre-1981 Wolverine was depowered" myth though. kinda



The threads ready to go man, make your case any time you're ready, you know where I am. Back your shit up or stop wasting my time already.

Originally posted by ODG
You wan to battlezone your god damn claim that Iron Fist's best shot won't make Wolverine even bat an eyelid? You're on. Make the topic, smart-mouth. Or shut the phuck up with this horsecrap you're panhandling. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Easiest ****ing Battlezone ever, I'll take that challenge any time you want buddy and laugh all the way to the bank. Originally posted by ODG
Make the battlezone topic over this issue: "The best Iron Fist could muster wouldn't make Wolverine bat an eye lid... he might as well spray Wolverine with saline solution for all the good it will do."

Do it now in the Battlezone forum. Five posts each. We'll pick judges afterwards or let a mod pick judges. I don't want you slinking away from this like so many others do.

Now make that battlezone and don't you b1tch out. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Fine, the threads up. I'm not proving a negative, so make your point and then I'll counter it. The point is the underlined point. Well you shutted the phuck up. That you did it with all the grace of a slobbering weasel trying to backdoor a turtle is on you, not me. Good job with another non-starter battlezone, srankmissingnin. Good job.

i see s-rank's point about wolverine being able to stand up to hulk and others and still be able to breathe, but those types of heavy weights are not equal to the amount of street-meta types that have indeed hurt him, so you definitely have some explaining to do if you want to make a case for wolverine against a guy who's chief power is to punch the shit out of things

Originally posted by ODG
The point is the underlined point. Well you shutted the phuck up. That you did it with all the grace of a slobbering weasel trying to backdoor a turtle is on you, not me. Good job with another non-starter battlezone, srankmissingnin. Good job.

The Battlezones there and waiting champ, I made it just like you asked. It will be open in perpetuity on the off chance your balls drop and you decide do to more than just run your mouth.

^

Your attempt to rewrite the history of my battlezone challenge is about as accurate as your attempt to editorialize away 80 issues and 11 years of Wolverine's canon history. Anybody can read the quotes, clownshoes.

Don't change, ever. You always do spectacularly self-combust when it comes to Wolverine. Entertaining. Where should I leave the tip?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You guys should try it, wash the taste of Iron Fist's cock out of your mouth.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7djgmOqGM1qhwkkdo1_500.gif
Wolverine got your butt pregnant, just admit it.

Originally posted by ODG
^

Your attempt to rewrite the history of my battlezone challenge is about as accurate as your attempt to editorialize away 80 issues and 11 years of Wolverine's canon history. Anybody can read the quotes, clownshoes.

Don't change, ever. You always do spectacularly self-combust when it comes to Wolverine. Entertaining. Where should I leave the tip?

Like you said man, everyone can read the quotes. I don't think anyone is going to read this exchange and feel like I'm the one who dropped the ball here. Feel free to puff out your chest and act as though you've won some sort of moral victory here, because your blusterous attitude is as about transparent as your arguments. You aren't fooling anyone.

At least you have a Doom set.

Originally posted by Mindset
At least you have a Doom set.

NJ_dcdyI-9A

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Like you said man, everyone can read the quotes. I don't think anyone is going to read this exchange and feel like I'm the one who dropped the ball here. Feel free to puff out your chest and act as though you've won some sort of moral victory here, because your blusterous attitude is as about transparent as your arguments. You aren't fooling anyone. Mhmm. kinda

In the meantime, explain again how 11 years of Wolverine's publishing history doesn't count but that me not caring much about a single psychedelic Sam Keith miniseries means I'm being unfair.

hysterical

Originally posted by ODG
Mhmm. kinda

In the meantime, explain again how 11 years of Wolverine's publishing history doesn't count but that me not caring much about a single psychedelic Sam Keith miniseries means I'm being unfair.

hysterical

Stop straw manning, you are embarrassing yourself. facepalm

hysterical Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine didn't have a healing factor until Uncanny X-Men 142. That's not a myth that can be busted because it is A fact. Prior to that he was a mutant with unspecified powers that seemed to be an undefined (and inconsistent) level of invulnerability and super senses. Prior to 1981, Wolverine did not have a healing factor. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
My dismissal of many feats that took place in Wolverine Origins has nothing to do with how terrible the book is and everything to do with the fact that Origins is 50 + issues of poor characterization and misrepresentation of the character based on how he has consistently been portrayed in comics for the last 30 years. OF course, according to you, here I sit with the "audacity" for dismissing a single fight in a single mini-series: Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I do think it funny that you cite an example from one of the most universally reviled arcs in comic book history, and then have the audacity to write off another example because the book was "awful." Gawd. I'm so audacious. kinda

Here I am, not caring too much about a single fight where a polar bear overpowered both Wolverine and Hulk... but somehow you're doing it right by banishing pre-1981 Wolverine from discussion and pretending an entire 50-issue run also never happened. Only on the internet do you get genius like this. And by genius, I mean complete unawareness of the spectacular hypocrisy you just exhibited.

This whole back and forth is ridiculous. Wolverine needs just ONE good cut or stab and it's game over. IF or LC don't have that luxury.

Wolverine for the majority.

^ Oh no! We all forgot Iron Fist's weakness! Sharp pointy things!

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One-foot long, less than one millimeter thick blades made of the miracle metal that can cut through damn near anything with minimum effort. Wielded by the guy who can't be disarmed and is an expert martial artist. Yeah, IF is screwed.

Lol.

Originally posted by Mindset
Lol.

Stilman's joking around, right?

For some reason, I remember him being a good poster.

Fist donkey punches him like he just did to Phoenix Namor.

Originally posted by zopzop
This whole back and forth is ridiculous. Wolverine needs just ONE good cut or stab and it's game over.

What makes you think that?

Danny's pretty durable.

Besides, getting in that one good shot is easier said than done, when your opponent has a radar sense similar to Daredevils, is fast enough to catch a bullet, and chi heal from any glancing cuts.

Originally posted by cdtm
Stilman's joking around, right?

For some reason, I remember him being a good poster.

Only good Wolverine fan is a dead one

Originally posted by zopzop
This whole back and forth is ridiculous. Wolverine needs just ONE good cut or stab and it's game over. IF or LC don't have that luxury.

Wolverine for the majority. luke cage and ironfist only need 2-3 to take out wolverine. they also can use a combination of range attacks to keep wolverine at bay, and IronFist is more the capable of fighting Wolverine up close. If Ironfist draws him into hand-to-hand, it would be the easiest thing for Luke Cage to blindside him with a punch. The team works to well together and are far from incompetent.

Originally posted by Trackz
luke cage and ironfist only need 2-3 to take out wolverine. they also can use a combination of range attacks to keep wolverine at bay, and IronFist is more the capable of fighting Wolverine up close. If Ironfist draws him into hand-to-hand, it would be the easiest thing for Luke Cage to blindside him with a punch. The team works to well together and are far from incompetent.

And Danny taught Luke a few tricks, too.

He even managed to judo toss Danny, after a ton of practice.

Its been confirmed on panel that Danny is nigh immortal. A single stab aint putting him down at all. Cage pins Lofan's arms while Danny fists his brain into jelly.

But for real though, Danny solos.

Originally posted by zopzop
This whole back and forth is ridiculous. Wolverine needs just ONE good cut or stab and it's game over.

Jokes.

Unless that one good cut or stab punctures or removes his skull, Danny will just heal it after he's done raining IF combos like he did to BP.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But for real though, Danny solos.

Hellz yeah!!! My boy Jake knows what's up.

Me, Jake and Al Pachino trolling it up at sdcc!!! GOOD TIMEZ!

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Originally posted by dmills
Hellz yeah!!! My boy Jake knows what's up.

Me, Jake and Al Pachino trolling it up at sdcc!!! GOOD TIMEZ!

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Can't believe you saved that pic.

This will be the last time. I swear it...

Expect dmills vs. JackeytheBanke: Nova vs. Black Adam soon.

Settle it here!

Originally posted by dmills
Hellz yeah!!! My boy Jake knows what's up.

Me, Jake and Al Pachino trolling it up at sdcc!!! GOOD TIMEZ!

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/120/1342675757picsay1342675.jpg

You're the one on the left huh? Riddick?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Expect dmills vs. JackeytheBanke: Nova vs. Black Adam soon.

Settle it here!

I know right lol?

THIS TIME IT'S FOR KEEPS!!!

Originally posted by carver9
You're the one on the left huh? Riddick?

No that's Jackey. I'm the guy in the Al Pachino mask.