Cyttorak vs. Surtur

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Endless Mike
Fight 1: Cyttorak's realm
Fight 2: Muspelheim
Fight 3: Neutral universe

Surtur can get Twilight Sword and Casket of Ancient Winters if he needs it

eaebiakuya
I say they can win in their own realm.

In Neutral universe i dont know.

Lord Feron
Cytttorak in all but thats basically going off implied power.

the Darkone
Surtur in 2 and 3, if Surtur has the twilight sword he'll win the last two

Gecko4lif
Cyttorak
Surter
Surter

3 would probably be a split without twilight but with either twilight or the cask surter wins solidly

Golgo13
Any feats for Cyttorak?

JakeTheBank
Surtur.

red sabre
got to love people giving answers without having any feats from cyttorak aside of being more powerful than one of the 5 phoenix force avatars which is high herald- low trans at best

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by red sabre
got to love people giving answers without having any feats from cyttorak aside of being more powerful than one of the 5 phoenix force avatars which is high herald- low trans at best

He did fight some of those other mystic deities from whom Dr Strange invokes power , and that was OUTSIDE . The fight itself was to a standstill until the Vishanti intervened .
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3104/drstrangesorcerersupreme4913qa5.jpg
I'll easily put him at elder-god level .

That said , here's my analysis :
1.Cyttorak
2.Surtur
3.Toss-up(although I am leaning with Surtur here , because of the multiple super-weapons he has available) .

PillarofOsiris
An Elder god should be beyond any skyfather, feats or no. It doesn't matter what dimension they are in. The only thing I'm not sure of is if the Twilight Sword would amp Surtur enough to make him a threat (though it still wouldn't do him any good in Cyttorak's realm, IMO).

celestialdemon
Originally posted by TheGodKiller


That said , here's my analysis :
1.Cyttorak
2.Surtur
3.Toss-up(although I am leaning with Surtur here , because of the multiple super-weapons he has available) .

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JakeTheBank
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
The only thing I'm not sure of is if the Twilight Sword would amp Surtur enough to make him a threat (though it still wouldn't do him any good in Cyttorak's realm, IMO).

Yes.

Surtur with Twilight was clearly above Odin when they fought and Odin is elite skyfather. Adding in the Casket and Surtur is well above skyfather level.

Marvel_Mystic
Cyttorak stomps all three scenarios. He's easily one of the most powerful God characters there is in Marvel.

Endless Mike
What makes you say that? I thought he was around Odin level outside of his realm but Elder God or around there in it

vansonbee
Odin raped Gaea, an elder god.

What now?

Endless Mike
When was this?

CosmicComet
Trion Juggernaut is just a fraction of Cyttorak's power.

Trion Juggernaut > Surtur.

So Cyttorak in all three.

I would VERY comfortably say Cyttorak would stomp Surtur. And someone like Brevoort would probably agree, since he holds Cyttorak above either Zom or Shuma Gorath.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Endless Mike
When was this?

Her pregnancy with Thor is proof of that .

Odin is a phackin pimp . smokin'

CortSether
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Trion Juggernaut is just a fraction of Cyttorak's power.

Trion Juggernaut > Surtur.

So Cyttorak in all three.

I would VERY comfortably say Cyttorak would stomp Surtur. And someone like Brevoort would probably agree, since he holds Cyttorak above either Zom or Shuma Gorath.

Too bad Brevoort has shown consistently that he doesn't know wtf he's talking about.

Endless Mike
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Her pregnancy with Thor is proof of that .

Odin is a phackin pimp .

Pretty sure that was Consensual...

vansonbee
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Pretty sure that was Consensual... I am not a huge Thor fan, but I remember it was related or recton to rape

Found this on google
http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?204797-THOR-For-Asgard-Odin-is-a-WHAT-now-!-spoilers&

Endless Mike
Not seeing any reliable source there, and even the guy who wrote that posts says he's not sure if it's in continuity

JakeTheBank
Odin didn't rape Gaea. Not like he could anyway if he wanted to.

It was a mutual affair as they both knew that their offspring, Thor, would be a god of both Earth and Asgard. It was planned by both of them.

snowdragon
Juggernaut at one time defeated Cyttorak as his avatar, I realize that is ridiculous however cyttorak really doesn't have alot of showings really.

He is supposed to be an elder but is gibbed so perhaps surtur should just walk through this win.

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by vansonbee


Found this on google


This says it all.

Uriel005
Originally posted by Endless Mike
What makes you say that? I thought he was around Odin level outside of his realm but Elder God or around there in it crimson bands are cytorrak artifacts and at their best are pretty beast and I think they could bind surtur if he can tighten them before they get cut by the sword.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by vansonbee
I am not a huge Thor fan, but I remember it was related or recton to rape

Found this on google
http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?204797-THOR-For-Asgard-Odin-is-a-WHAT-now-!-spoilers&

That guy didn't even mention which issue of "Thor : For Asgard" he's talking about .

Right now , I am searching it out on my own . And so far there has been no mention of any wrongdoing(s) on Odin's part .

Also , does anyone here know the reputation of Rob Rodi ? He's the guy who's writing these issues .

TheGodKiller
Holy Sh|t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTH has Marvel come to !?!?!?!?!?!?

Here are the spoilers for #3 , #4 and # 5 :

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?341710-Thor-For-Asgard-3-Review-*spoilers*
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?346196-Thor-For-Asgard-4-*Spoilers*
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?349032-Thor-For-Asgard-5-*Spoilers*

In the spoilers for # 5 its confirmed that Odin's "crime" is that of raping Gaea/Jord .

This had better be outside of continuity .

TheGodKiller
In this scan(from Thor : For Asgard # 3) Gaea flat out tells us that Odin violated her :
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5943/thorforasgard3016.th.jpg

From Thor : For Asgard # 4 :
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7829/thorforasgard4012.th.jpg

Jynocidus
rofl you went on a mission to find that

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Holy Sh|t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTH has Marvel come to !?!?!?!?!?!?

Here are the spoilers for #3 , #4 and # 5 :

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?341710-Thor-For-Asgard-3-Review-*spoilers*
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?346196-Thor-For-Asgard-4-*Spoilers*
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?349032-Thor-For-Asgard-5-*Spoilers*

In the spoilers for # 5 its confirmed that Odin's "crime" is that of raping Gaea/Jord .

This had better be outside of continuity .

Now that I have read these issues for myself , the "crime" which Odin committed was not Gaea's rape(although it happened nonetheless) but the murder of Balder :

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7829/thorforasgard4012.th.jpg

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
This says it all.

Its true . Most of the things van has said in this thread are true .

JakeTheBank
It's out of continuity.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's out of continuity.

Yeah . It is . Still doesn't change the dark tone with which this mini has been written .

Horrificus
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Her pregnancy with Thor is proof of that .

Odin is a phackin pimp . smokin' Yeah, but it wasn't "rape".

It was just big 'ole Gungnir, his deep Odin voice and some sweet Skyfather-Lovin'!

Sweet Skyfather-Lovin' for the win! roll eyes (sarcastic)


PS: Rumor has it that Odin taught Barry White how to roll out the "get busy" tunes.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Horrificus
Yeah, but it wasn't "rape".

It was just big 'ole Gungnir, his deep Odin voice and some sweet Skyfather-Lovin'!

Sweet Skyfather-Lovin' for the win! roll eyes (sarcastic)


PS: Rumor has it that Odin taught Barry White how to roll out the "get busy" tunes.

You should check out some of the scans I just posted above .

Horrificus
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You should check out some of the scans I just posted above . Oh I did. Marvel will not stop until the Asgardians are just a memory.

DarkSaint85
I love how this thread turned into Odin getting jiggy.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I love how this thread turned into Odin getting jiggy.

Van was the instigator . So I think its fair to say that all the blame lies squarely on his shoulders .

Colossus-Big C
Odin raping gaea is not cannon.


By the way, for anything is worth, brevoort said the most powerful demons in marvel are Zom and Cyttorak

Thats comming from a writer and writers opinions >> fans opinions because if he wrote it thats how it would be

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Odin raping gaea is not cannon.
That's already been established .

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

By the way, for anything is worth, brevoort said the most powerful demons in marvel are Zom and Cyttorak

Thats comming from a writer and writers opinions >> fans opinions because if he wrote it thats how it would be
Except Brevoort has never written a story about these characters , not to mention that his current position is that of an Editor , not a writer , so his opinion is useless here .

Colossus-Big C
As an editor he should have knowledge of these characters no? Because he is going to edit the writers storys obviously, but i rather take an opinion from someone working with marvel than a fan for obvious reasons.

CosmicComet
Editor's word is nearing as close to word of God as we can get for Marvel.

His statement is worth more than any fan supposition.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
As an editor he should have knowledge of these characters no? Because he is going to edit the writers storys obviously, but i rather take an opinion from someone working with marvel than a fan for obvious reasons.

Nope . Half the time he's trolling those who ask him questions on Formspring . That should be sufficient of an indicator that his opinion means sh!t in a Battle Board discussion .

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Nope . Half the time he's trolling those who ask him questions on Formspring . That should be sufficient of an indicator that his opinion means sh!t in a Battle Board discussion . erm

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
erm
*Sigh*

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