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Tsunade is so underated to the point people forget she is a character. People tend to forget how strong she is physically

Physical strength
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/156/6
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/159/3(one finger!!!)
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/163/18
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/170/15
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/427/7
Now tsunade easily shattered a ribcage susanoo
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/577/3
The same susanoo ribcage that took this which is a powerful attack
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/10.html
And itachi's skeletal susanoo tanked this(though it was destroyed and itachi got a little burned it absorbed at least 99% of the damage.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/391/9
And tsunade broke something almost as fully formed as itachi skeletal susanoo
She was also able to knock down and break the neck of a complete susanoo with only one punch who knows what she could do if she could hit it with a barrage
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/588/7
And a complete susanoo's durability speaks for itself.
Agree her physical strength is near or at this level?

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
And itachi's skeletal susanoo tanked this(though it was destroyed and itachi got a little burned it absorbed at least 99% of the damage.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/391/9

It wasn't Susano'o that blocked that, rather it was the Yata No Kagami shield, which can deflect any attack that did it. A skeletal Susano'o can't block a mountain busting attack, which is why Tsunade does not, in fact, have mountain level strength.

In my experience mountains aren't very strong at all. I can lift a rock off them and they can't do squat about it!

Speak for yourself. Last week Everest beat me half to death for the last tootsie pop.

I'm not mad though. I needed to be reminded of my place. It was for my own good.

Well that's what you get for picking a fight with Everest. It's a Kage class mountain.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Tsunade is so underated to the point people forget she is a character. People tend to forget how strong she is physically

Physical strength
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/156/6
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/159/3(one finger!!!)
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/163/18
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/170/15
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/427/7
Now tsunade easily shattered a ribcage susanoo
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/577/3
The same susanoo ribcage that took this which is a powerful attack
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/10.html
And itachi's skeletal susanoo tanked this(though it was destroyed and itachi got a little burned it absorbed at least 99% of the damage.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/391/9
And tsunade broke something almost as fully formed as itachi skeletal susanoo
She was also able to knock down and break the neck of a complete susanoo with only one punch who knows what she could do if she could hit it with a barrage
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/588/7
And a complete susanoo's durability speaks for itself.
Agree her physical strength is near or at this level?

Seeing as Neph only brought up the Yata Mirror, Q99 gave a witty response, and I'm currently bored out of my ass, I'll destroy your argument.

a) Firstly, this is not a mountain, but a large hill. Secondly, it was never completely destroyed by Kirin. Kirin is large town-busting level, which is far below mountain-busting.

b) We don't know what form Itachi's Susano'o was in when it survived Kirin. As Nephthys pointed out, Itachi's Susano'o also has the Yata no Kagami, which can stop any attack.

c) You're equating the defensive durability of Itachi's Susano'o to that of Madara's Susano'o in its rib-cage version. Unless Itachi's Susano'o was in its rib-cage version when he used it to defend against Kirin, of which there is no proof, equating their durability is illogical.
In fact, no proof exists to show the Susano'o of two different users would both have the same durability if they were in the same forms. However, there's proof that they'd have a differing level of durability.
Sasuke's rib-cage Susano'o is broken by one of A's strikes. Madara's rjb-cage Susano'o on the other hand was capable of outright stopping A's strike without getting cracked.

d) Even if Itachi's Susano'o and Madara's Susano'o had the same durability, it would matter little. Kirin is implied to havecompletely destroyed Itachi's Susano'o.
Before Tsunade could break through, but not completely destroy, Madara's Susano'o, it was weakened by Tsunade's Punch, and a high level Suiton Jutsu.

So no, Tsunade does not have Mountain-level strength. Unless she likes to shit in her pants regularly, Madara slashing two Mountains with Susano'o scared the shit out of her because she could never do that kind of damage.

Behold, whereas Nephthys gets spanked by Kage Level Mountains, and Q99 has strength greater than Mountain level, I have strength greater than Rikudo-Sennin level. rock

Originally posted by Nephthys
It wasn't Susano'o that blocked that, rather it was the Yata No Kagami shield, which can deflect any attack that did it. A skeletal Susano'o can't block a mountain busting attack, which is why Tsunade does not, in fact, have mountain level strength.

The yata no kagami reflects attacks so kirin should have been thrown back up. He cannot manifest final susano fast enough the fastest he could was a full skeletal susanoo with some skin starting to grow like sasuke.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Seeing as Neph only brought up the Yata Mirror, Q99 gave a witty response, and I'm currently bored out of my ass, I'll destroy your argument.

a) Firstly, this is not a mountain, but a large hill. Secondly, it was never completely destroyed by Kirin. Kirin is large town-busting level, which is far below mountain-busting.

b) We don't know what form Itachi's Susano'o was in when it survived Kirin. As Nephthys pointed out, Itachi's Susano'o also has the Yata no Kagami, which can stop any attack.

c) You're equating the defensive durability of Itachi's Susano'o to that of Madara's Susano'o in its rib-cage version. Unless Itachi's Susano'o was in its rib-cage version when he used it to defend against Kirin, of which there is no proof, equating their durability is illogical.
In fact, no proof exists to show the Susano'o of two different users would both have the same durability if they were in the same forms. However, there's proof that they'd have a differing level of durability.
Sasuke's rib-cage Susano'o is broken by one of A's strikes. Madara's rjb-cage Susano'o on the other hand was capable of outright stopping A's strike without getting cracked.

d) Even if Itachi's Susano'o and Madara's Susano'o had the same durability, it would matter little. Kirin is implied to havecompletely destroyed Itachi's Susano'o.
Before Tsunade could break through, but not completely destroy, Madara's Susano'o, it was weakened by Tsunade's Punch, and a high level Suiton Jutsu.

So no, Tsunade does not have Mountain-level strength. Unless she likes to shit in her pants regularly, Madara slashing two Mountains with Susano'o scared the shit out of her because she could never do that kind of damage.

Behold, whereas Nephthys gets spanked by Kage Level Mountains, and Q99 has strength greater than Mountain level, I have strength greater than Rikudo-Sennin level. rock

a)this is not a mountain?
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/380/11
And even if it wasn't this is one hell of a large hill!

b)Itachi cannot manifest final form susanoo with the mirror fast enough as in a instant so he could only pull out the skeleton susanoo that fast that could partially have skin or face
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/391/16
And if he did pull out the mirror than he would have sent the attack right back up instead in when fully down with its path not reflected or disrupted at all.

c)You are right on the fact that madara's susanoo is much stronger than sasuke's and probably itachi's considering how madara was the strongest uchiha and blah blah blah. However like I have showed you
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/391/16
Itachi shows that he can mostly pull out his skeleton in a instant as he showed how long it took for a final susanoo to form
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/392/3
He did not have that luxury of time when kirin was closing down on him.

d) However his skeleton susanoo absorbed literally around 99% of kirin as he only got a little burned and that is saying something. You do know that suanoo automatically heals right? That why you don't see the cracks in it right before tsunade and A play beach volleyball with it. And mei suiton did nothing but throw it in the air there was no visible damage at all.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I have strength greater than Rikudo-Sennin level. rock

Ha. Clever.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
The yata no kagami reflects attacks so kirin should have been thrown back up. He cannot manifest final susano fast enough the fastest he could was a full skeletal susanoo with some skin starting to grow like sasuke.

Then he just angled it downwards.

But who's the say he didn't deflect it back up? All we see is lightning, we don't see which way its going.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
a)this is not a mountain?
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/380/11
And even if it wasn't this is one hell of a large hill!

b)Itachi cannot manifest final form susanoo with the mirror fast enough as in a instant so he could only pull out the skeleton susanoo that fast that could partially have skin or face
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/391/16
And if he did pull out the mirror than he would have sent the attack right back up instead in when fully down with its path not reflected or disrupted at all.

c)You are right on the fact that madara's susanoo is much stronger than sasuke's and probably itachi's considering how madara was the strongest uchiha and blah blah blah. However like I have showed you
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/391/16
Itachi shows that he can mostly pull out his skeleton in a instant as he showed how long it took for a final susanoo to form
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/392/3
He did not have that luxury of time when kirin was closing down on him.

d) However his skeleton susanoo absorbed literally arounf 99% of kirin as he only got a little burned and that is saying something. You do know that suanoo automatically heals right? That why you don't see the cracks in it right before tsunade and A play beach volleyball with it. And mei suiton did nothing but throw it in the air there was no visible damage at all.

a) No, it isn't. It's a large hill. It's been scaled at 900m high or so. That's quite below Mountain-level height, therefore its volume & mass, which is what we would look at, is far below that of a mountain's.
Once again, Kirin did not completely destroy it.

b) Itachi can access the Yata no Kagami with this partially skinned-Susano'o. Itachi's forms the same Susano'o as fast as Sasuke creates his. Sasuke is capable of creating his armored Susano'o near-instantly.
Like Madara & Sasuke, Itachi does not have to go through each stage individually, i.e. he does not have form the skeleton, then the muscles, then the skin, and finally the armor. He can access any stage he wants near-instantly. So no, there was more than enough time for Itachi to use the Yata no Kagami.
The mirror does not really reflect all attacks back to where they came from. It just stops them.

c) There's no proof that Madara's Susano'o is stronger defensively than Itachi's on a stage-by-stage basis, as we have nothing to compare them against. With the Yata no Kagami though, Itachi's Susano'o is stronger defensively.
However, like I showed you, Itachi could have easily accessed the mirror or his armored Susano'o in the time Kirin took to reach Itachi.

d) Yes, Itachi's Susano'o stopped Kirin from hitting him for the most part, but it was still completely destroyed in the process.
Yeah, I missed the part where Madara repaired the damage caused by Tsunade's first punch. Nonetheless, it proves that she cannot always break through Madara's rib-cage Susano'o with just one strike, and that she cannot possibly have 'Mountain-level' strength, or the level of destruction that Kirin has.
Even assuming that each Susano'o has the same durability, which is illogical, completely destroying a Susano'o as Kirin did >>>>> breaking through Susano'o.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
a) No, it isn't. It's a large hill. It's been scaled at 900m high or so. That's quite below Mountain-level height, therefore its volume & mass, which is what we would look at, is far below that of a mountain's.
Once again, Kirin did not completely destroy it.

b) Itachi can access the Yata no Kagami with this partially skinned-Susano'o. Itachi's forms the same Susano'o as fast as Sasuke creates his. Sasuke is capable of creating his armored Susano'o near-instantly.
Like Madara & Sasuke, Itachi does not have to go through each stage individually, i.e. he does not have form the skeleton, then the muscles, then the skin, and finally the armor. He can access any stage he wants near-instantly. So no, there was more than enough time for Itachi to use the Yata no Kagami.
The mirror does not really reflect all attacks back to where they came from. It just stops them.

c) There's no proof that Madara's Susano'o is stronger defensively than Itachi's on a stage-by-stage basis, as we have nothing to compare them against. With the Yata no Kagami though, Itachi's Susano'o is stronger defensively.
However, like I showed you, Itachi could have easily accessed the mirror or his armored Susano'o in the time Kirin took to reach Itachi.

d) Yes, Itachi's Susano'o stopped Kirin from hitting him for the most part, but it was still completely destroyed in the process.
Yeah, I missed the part where Madara repaired the damage caused by Tsunade's first punch. Nonetheless, it proves that she cannot always break through Madara's rib-cage Susano'o with just one strike, and that she cannot possibly have 'Mountain-level' strength, or the level of destruction that Kirin has.
Even assuming that each Susano'o has the same durability, which is illogical, completely destroying a Susano'o as Kirin did >>>>> breaking through Susano'o.

a)Yeah like I said even if it is a large hill it is still a huge feat and im pretty sure it was completely destroyed by kirin.

b) I knew about this scan and there is a reason i didn't talk about it. Your comaparing the speed of kirin to kabuto's fat ass snakes. Itachi was able to manifest a partially complete susanoo as he had more time incomparison it a jutsu that is as fast a lightning. He can only do mostly skeleton and some skin probably without the mirror.

c) Of course with the mirror itachi's susanoo is stronger defensively. I already talked about the kirin thing above.

d)Well madara's cracked up susanoo caused by tsunade is not longer cracked up when her and A are about to double team him.
And If you do say if it is a large hill kirin destroyed tsunade then would not have mountain strength and probably somewhere around large hill busting strength if she could slap complete susanoo around a feat that definitely should not be over looked. She did beak ribcage susanoo with a kick though. So she could break it with a strike though raikage did slap it to her she did still break it.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
a)Yeah like I said even if it is a large hill it is still a huge feat and im pretty sure it was completely destroyed by kirin.

b) I knew about this scan and there is a reason i didn't talk about it. Your comaparing the speed of kirin to kabuto's fat ass snakes. Itachi was able to manifest a partially complete susanoo as he had more time incomparison it a jutsu that is as fast a lightning. He can only do mostly skeleton and some skin probably without the mirror.

c) Of course with the mirror itachi's susanoo is stronger defensively. I already talked about the kirin thing above.

d)Well madara's cracked up susanoo caused by tsunade is not longer cracked up when her and A are about to double team him.
And If you do say if it is a large hill kirin destroyed tsunade then would not have mountain strength and probably somewhere around large hill busting strength if she could slap complete susanoo around a feat that definitely should not be over looked. She did beak ribcage susanoo with a kick though. So she could break it with a strike though raikage did slap it to her she did still break it.

a) It was not completely destroyed by Kirin, and Kirin's destructive capacity is leagues above what Tsunade can do with her strength. She is probably at building-block to multi-block level based on what A & B can do with Lariat. The Hachibi itself is just at multi-block level when it comes to physical strength, based on it bi***-slapping away the 5-Tailed Beast. That is much lower than Kirin's Destructive Capacity.

b) You missed the point by a mile. Susano'o users have shown they can manifest any form of Susano'o they want to with the same speed, which is faster than Kirin. Itachi could have manifested the rib-cage, or the armored form in the same amount of time it took Kirin to reach him, and he can access the mirror with a partially completed form. You have not proven otherwise with your scans. You have simply shown Itachi manifesting his Susano'o in stages, which Sasuke has also displayed. Guess what, he does not have to. Itachi is no different.

c) You were wrong about the Kirin thing, as well as Susano'o's activation speed, and the Yata no Kagami.

d) I know.
Except she would not have large hill busting strength if you are only using her feat of breaking through Madara's rib-cage Susano'o with a kick. Kirin completely destroyed Itachi's Susano'o. Madara's rib-cage Susano'o has not shown Kirin-level resistance, and Tsunade cannot always break through it.


Originally posted by AuraAngel
Ha. Clever.

Inorite? stoned

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
a) It was not completely destroyed by Kirin, and Kirin's destructive capacity is leagues above what Tsunade can do with her strength. She is probably at building-block to multi-block level based on what A & B can do with Lariat. The Hachibi itself is just at multi-block level when it comes to physical strength, based on it bi***-slapping away the 5-Tailed Beast. That is much lower than Kirin's Destructive Capacity.

b) You missed the point by a mile. Susano'o users have shown they can manifest any form of Susano'o they want to with the same speed, which is faster than Kirin. Itachi could have manifested the rib-cage, or the armored form in the same amount of time it took Kirin to reach him, and he can access the mirror with a partially completed form. You have not proven otherwise with your scans. You have simply shown Itachi manifesting his Susano'o in stages, which Sasuke has also displayed. Guess what, he does not have to. Itachi is no different.

c) You were wrong about the Kirin thing, as well as Susano'o's activation speed, and the Yata no Kagami.

d) I know.
Except she would not have large hill busting strength if you are only using her feat of breaking through Madara's rib-cage Susano'o with a kick. Kirin completely destroyed Itachi's Susano'o. Madara's rib-cage Susano'o has not shown Kirin-level resistance, and Tsunade cannot always break through it.




Inorite? stoned

a)do you have proof that the large hill was not completely destroyed
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/392/7
you can see partially the other hill and itachi is clearly at the base so that means that the hill they were on was destroyed

b)Well the yata mirror is known to reflect all attacks being a mirror and all so how come kirin was not thrown back up? And sasuke has shown the ability to instantly go to final form susanoo after he got ems as before he only was able to materialize complete susanoo in a instant.

c/d) Where would you put tsunade's physical strength in the hst with her feats?

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
a)do you have proof that the large hill was not completely destroyed
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/392/7
you can see partially the other hill and itachi is clearly at the base so that means that the hill they were on was destroyed

b)Well the yata mirror is known to reflect all attacks being a mirror and all so how come kirin was not thrown back up? And sasuke has shown the ability to instantly go to final form susanoo after he got ems as before he only was able to materialize complete susanoo in a instant.

c/d) Where would you put tsunade's physical strength in the hst with her feats?

a) Here you can see that the lower base of the hill isn't destroyed, and there are huge rocks left lying about. Most of it was destroyed though.

b) Same way Orochimaru's Snakes were not thrown back to where they came from.
Doesn't matter if it is Sasuke with his EMS or not. Besides, before he got Itachi's eyes, Sasuke only used the armored Susano'o once, for a couple of seconds or so.
The point is that they can create Susano'o in any form they want, and the activation speed won't drop, unless they actually go through the process of showing the skin etc. forming.

c/d) With the rest of the HST? No idea. I don't read One Piece, and I'm not interested in doing so at the moment. I'm also not that up-to-date with Bleach's strength feats. She's physically the strongest human character in Naruto-verse at the moment, though maybe Sage Mode Naruto might be stronger as far as lifting goes.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
a) Here you can see that the lower base of the hill isn't destroyed, and there are huge rocks left lying about. Most of it was destroyed though.

b) Same way Orochimaru's Snakes were not thrown back to where they came from.
Doesn't matter if it is Sasuke with his EMS or not. Besides, before he got Itachi's eyes, Sasuke only used the armored Susano'o once, for a couple of seconds or so.
The point is that they can create Susano'o in any form they want, and the activation speed won't drop, unless they actually go through the process of showing the skin etc. forming.

c/d) With the rest of the HST? No idea. I don't read One Piece, and I'm not interested in doing so at the moment. I'm also not that up-to-date with Bleach's strength feats. She's physically the strongest human character in Naruto-verse at the moment, though maybe Sage Mode Naruto might be stronger as far as lifting goes.

Yeah I already saw that but ignored it as im sure it is just a pile of rubble as I can see nothing bu very large rocks scattered everywhere and they do not seem to be at a elevated height
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/392/8

Sasuke was thrown back after he attempted to attack the mirror
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/393/11
And the snakes were sliced before we can see what destination they were thrown away before being sliced...
Okay that sounded stupid ill admit that i created this sloppy thread out of boredom and the fact that people told me to move on from my last thread.

Oh and I would advise you that you might not want to read one piece. You see you have probably heard alot of stuff about it and that alone spoils much of the story. Then you have to take into account that the first 60 or 70 chapters of the manga are AGONIZINGLY BORING. It doesn't help that you are constantly going through chapters and therefore killing the anticipation or mystery. On top of it all you will go fast for sure cuz you will be looking for all the hype around one piece which trust me does not start for a while.
And the fights are uhhh this is how it goes
-they go to a island
-they find someone they want to recruit
-they hear there sob story
-luffy fights the main bad guy ruining he or she's life
-luffy starts losing
-luffy starts spouting out his lack luster and very annoying beliefs
-beats the bad guy with basically the same thing that wasn't working before most of the time

Oh and if itachi did use the yata mirror than susanoo should not have been destroyed. So I do not think he used it... just putting that out there after reading the thread out of boredom.