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Movie versions in the following:

1.H2H no weopons
2.Both can use standard weopens ie caps his shield

who wins in the above how and why?

Ozy in both

I think this would be good, but Cap.

Cap wins.

Ozy would be doing philosophy about Cap's outfit while being pummeled.

Cap ftw x2

Cap in both.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap in both.

Cap.

The problem here is that movie Cap isn't a very skilled fighter like he is in the comic. He received almost no martial arts training. He was basically maintaining off his physicality and increased reflexes.

Ozy is a much better fighter and can catch freaking bullets (which require tons of strength).

Movie cap still had more impressive feats than Ozy


Cap in both

Movie Ozy wins.

Originally posted by society619
Movie cap still had more impressive feats than Ozy


Cap in both

Impressive feats =/= know how to fight as Silent Master says so.

Captain America wins.

One punch from Cap and Ozzy disappears from the screen.

Originally posted by deathlife
Captain America wins.

One punch from Cap and Ozzy disappears from the screen.

Good luck to Cap hitting Ozy before getting kicked in the throat.

Cap tanked hits from someone that could dent steel, Ozy doesn't have what it takes to put him down.

Ozy stomps Cap in both.

Ozy doesn't have what it takes to beat movie Cap.

Ozy has what it takes to destroy Cap. Cap has superior strength and stamina but he has horrible fighting skills compared to Ozy. He would never land a hit. Ozy took on two fighters much more skilled that Movie Cap has ever been shown to be and casually dismissed them while trying not to overly hurt them AND held a pleasent conversation! I don't think he even raised his voice once!

Cap soloed a bunch of armed Hydra thugs, aliens, and even managed to fight Loki weaponless and hold his own. Cap was able to stagger a guy who's bulletproof and takes Mjolnir strikes and lives after. Those displays of skill are better than anything Niteowl and Rorschach showed who basically beat up thugs and cops.

Statwise, he's far above the likes of Niteowl and Rorschach. Cap would have one shot either of them and would have easily decimated Comedian in faster time than Ozy did.

Originally posted by juggerman
Ozy has what it takes to destroy Cap. Cap has superior strength and stamina but he has horrible fighting skills compared to Ozy. He would never land a hit. Ozy took on two fighters much more skilled that Movie Cap has ever been shown to be and casually dismissed them while trying not to overly hurt them AND held a pleasent conversation! I don't think he even raised his voice once!

What feats did those two fighters have that place them above movie Cap?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap soloed a bunch of armed Hydra thugs, aliens, and even managed to fight Loki weaponless and hold his own. Cap was able to stagger a guy who's bulletproof and takes Mjolnir strikes and lives after. Those displays of skill are better than anything Niteowl and Rorschach showed who basically beat up thugs and cops.

Statwise, he's far above the likes of Niteowl and Rorschach. Cap would have one shot either of them and would have easily decimated Comedian in faster time than Ozy did.

Hydra thugs and Chitauri were fodder. Hawkeye KO'd one and Black Widow and jumped on some of them and killed them.
Loki on the other hand was his best feat. And he failed miserably. BW said "He's all over the place" indicating Caps old fashioned fighting methods are dated in her eyes.
Cap's strength was able to stagger Loki momentarily via jump kick. But all Loki had to do was pull the trigger.

Ozy has the strength to kick full grown men into the air. Jump 15 ft into the sky and crush Niteowl's laser. And crush Niteowl into a stone stair railing shattering the stone underneath.

He has the strength to kick Cap in the throat. And the skill to do it with ease.
He toyed with combatants more skilled than Cap as well.

Ozy takes Round 1 easily.
Round 2. I see Cap throwing the shield and Ozy kicking it aside mid jump. Then repeating Round 1.

Cap won't get a good hit on Ozy, whereas Ozy will make his hits count.

If Cap holds onto the shield Ozy will jump around taunting Cap. Waiting for Cap to throw the shield then kick it aside as easily as Loki did with his scepter.

What feats did these "more skilled than Cap" combatants have?

Oh not this crap again! Already went through this in the movie versus forum.

The Ozy camp is going to try and convince you that not only is Ozy stronger than Cap, but Cap couldn't possibly even touch him because of how fast he is.

Then they will take the argument to a new level of stupidity in claiming Rorschach and NiteOwl are both in the same strength league as Cap, but far superior fighters, hence even either of them would take out Cap.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What feats did these "more skilled than Cap" combatants have?

Getting taken down by a bunch of cops.

Hey I never said in the MVF that Niteowl or Rorschach had what it took to take down Cap.

Don't boil down my views on what the others say.

Ozy is on another level to those guys. Obviously.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What feats did these "more skilled than Cap" combatants have?
General skills in MA.

What skills did Cap show? Besides brute force with the shield and agility?

Again, what feats do they have that place them above movie Cap?

Originally posted by the ninjak

General skills in MA. What I take from that statement is that you thought they looked better therefore they are better.

Am I wrong?

Ok for 1 i do not think Nite Owl II and Rorschach are as strong as Captain America. I don't even think Ozy is.

As far as fighting skill goes Cap basically just bullied people due to his superior stats. He would run up and bull rush guys and send them flying never to be seen again. That's basically like Brock Lesnar taking on a bunch of 5th graders. He wouldn't need much skill because he would just manhandle them. But once Cap fought someone on his level (Red Skull) or above (Loki) he got beat down and relied mostly on luck to survive.

Now the Watchmen on the other hand faced people about their level in the alley and with their skill completely destroyed them. Ozy faced Comedian who was above his strength level and still completely dominated him due to his skill. Ozy faced two Watchmen about his level and completely dominated them while not using much effort due to his skill. Then he caught a bullet a point blank range which would put his combat speed and reflexes above Cap's and his durability and strength well within Cap range

Originally posted by Newjak
What I take from that statement is that you thought they looked better therefore they are better.

Am I wrong?

No you're not wrong. They looked better because they were better skilled fighters. But not stronger.
Cap would overwhelm them with the shield and enhanced strength.
But Niteowl's feats of skill are far above anything we saw Cap do.

Cap's slow reverse jump kick on Loki was amateurish compared to Niteowl's sidekick, jumpkick then leg sweep maneuver. And Ozy watched the whole attempt and kicked him away.

Which puts Cap above Nite Owl and Rorschach. But not Ozy. Ozy has the strength to dent Cap....yet Cap hasn't shown feats to get a shot in H2H.

Cap is stronger than any Watchmen but skillwise? He is lacking.

Ozy caught a bullet!

So, Nite Owl II and Rorschach are more skilled because they beat up common thugs?

The way they beat them yes. Also i might add that those "common thugs" were much closer to their level than the Hydra guys were to Cap's level.

It's much more impressive for a 15 year old to beat up six other 15 year olds at the same time than it is for a 15 year old to beat up six 9 year olds.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, Nite Owl II and Rorschach are more skilled because they beat up common thugs?

No, they are more skilled because they showed more skill.

Ozymandias wins.

Originally posted by juggerman
The way they beat them yes. Also i might add that those "common thugs" were much closer to their level than the Hydra guys were to Cap's level.

It's much more impressive for a 15 year old to beat up six other 15 year olds at the same time than it is for a 15 year old to beat up six 9 year olds.

They were still common thugs. the people that Cap beat were trained soldiers.

Still doesn't carry much weight. Cap was so far above them that they don't help the skill argument. Is it impressive if a grown man easily beat up trained kittens?

Originally posted by Silent Master
They were still common thugs. the people that Cap beat were trained soldiers.
They were fodder like any other fodder in any other movie.

How would an unarmed Cap have faired against the thugs in the alley scene with Nite Owl and Silk Spectre II in Watchmen?

He would've gotten shot.

Originally posted by juggerman
Still doesn't carry much weight. Cap was so far above them that they don't help the skill argument. Is it impressive if a grown man easily beat up trained kittens?

In order for Cap's strength to play a role, he has to have the skill to hit the people he's fighting and his skill allowed to tag multiple trained soldiers, that puts him far above tagging common thugs.

No it just makes all the Hydra agents thugs/fodder as well.

You mean the trained soldiers that engaged Cap physically even tho they had guns?

And again when Cap fought against people on his level he didn't fair so well. The Watchmen on the other hand faired extremely well when faceing people on the same level. Just because Cap would have handled the thugs as well does not mean he was as skilled.

Hulk is not as skilled as Blade yet he could have beaten Nomak down with very little effort. Your point is not valid

Originally posted by juggerman
You mean the trained soldiers that engaged Cap physically even tho they had guns?

And again when Cap fought against people on his level he didn't fair so well. The Watchmen on the other hand faired extremely well when faces people on the same level. Just because Cap would have handled the thugs as well does not mean he was as skilled.

Hulk is not as skilled as Blade yet he could have beaten Nomak down with very little effort. Your point is not valid

I'm glad you admit that the Watchmen's level is that of common thugs.

Nice try.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm glad you admit that the Watchmen's level is that of common thugs.

Damn..........No.

Someones scraping the barrel.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Loki on the other hand was his best feat. And he failed miserably.

So its a low feat to be beaten by a God?



I took that as a compliment to Cap knowing she couldnt get a clean shot since he was moving so fast.

Cap in both easily.

Originally posted by the ninjak
They were fodder like any other fodder in any other movie.

How would an unarmed Cap have faired against the thugs in the alley scene with Nite Owl and Silk Spectre II in Watchmen?

He would've gotten shot. You're on crack if you actually believe that.

You need to gtfo if you think Cap would have been killed by those thugs.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You're on crack if you actually believe that.

You need to gtfo if you think Cap would have been killed by those thugs.

Hey he took a blast to the chest and started to heal it. I'll like to see how he handles a bullet in the chest.
There is a reason why all Cap related movies had him fighting laser based opponents.

Originally posted by tkitna
So its a low feat to be beaten by a God?



I took that as a compliment to Cap knowing she couldnt get a clean shot since he was moving so fast.

Cap in both easily.

Oh Cmon it wasn't a compliment. She meant he was fighting like crap. She could've made the shot once he made the kick.
Lucky Ironman was there to save the day.

Originally posted by the ninjak
No you're not wrong. They looked better because they were better skilled fighters. But not stronger.
Cap would overwhelm them with the shield and enhanced strength.
But Niteowl's feats of skill are far above anything we saw Cap do.

Cap's slow reverse jump kick on Loki was amateurish compared to Niteowl's sidekick, jumpkick then leg sweep maneuver. And Ozy watched the whole attempt and kicked him away.

Which puts Cap above Nite Owl and Rorschach. But not Ozy. Ozy has the strength to dent Cap....yet Cap hasn't shown feats to get a shot in H2H.

Cap is stronger than any Watchmen but skillwise? He is lacking.

Ozy caught a bullet! That's a very subjective statement to make.

It's basically a personal opinion because you're not basing it off of feats but rather what you felt it looked like. So cause you thought Cap looked slow and sluggish therefore he was a terrible fighter... even though he was shown with Super human speed and reaction time and senses, he is a slow fighter because the choreography didn't make him look fast enough to you? That's not right cause it ignores everything the story built him up to be.

And as for the strength gap argument. I can agree with it but Cap has also taken on groups of the Chitauri and they very clearly showed above human stats like when they used their hands and feat to cling to the sides of buildings.

It's obvious he was meant to be a very skilled human being. Just because you think it looked bad doesn't make it so.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Hey he took a blast to the chest and started to heal it. I'll like to see how he handles a bullet in the chest.
There is a reason why all Cap related movies had him fighting laser based opponents.



Oh Cmon it wasn't a compliment. She meant he was fighting like crap. She could've made the shot once he made the kick.
Lucky Ironman was there to save the day. The same lasers that were vaporizing entire human beings just by touching them?

Yeah those things are so obviously weaker than guns with bullets

Originally posted by Newjak
That's a very subjective statement to make.

It's basically a personal opinion because you're not basing it off of feats but rather what you felt it looked like. So cause you thought Cap looked slow and sluggish therefore he was a terrible fighter... even though he was shown with Super human speed and reaction time and senses, he is a slow fighter because the choreography didn't make him look fast enough to you? That's not right cause it ignores everything the story built him up to be.

And as for the strength gap argument. I can agree with it but Cap has also taken on groups of the Chitauri and they very clearly showed above human stats like when they used their hands and feat to cling to the sides of buildings.

It's obvious he was meant to be a very skilled human being. Just because you think it looked bad doesn't make it so.

The same lasers that were vaporizing entire human beings just by touching them?

Yeah those things are so obviously weaker than guns with bullets

Hawkeye struck one off a building. He's human. Chitauri were fodder with arguably amazing tech armor.

Originally posted by Newjak
The same lasers that were vaporizing entire human beings just by touching them?

Yeah those things are so obviously weaker than guns with bullets

Touche. Shame they didn't shoot Cap with it. Nor the Chitauri having the same level of tech.

A bullet in the gut will put movie Cap down in pain HF has no factor. And there are 5 more bullets.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Hawkeye struck one off a building. He's human. Chitauri were fodder with arguably amazing tech armor.

Yes they were fodder but you are still ignoring their feats. They were clearly stronger than human beings based off of their on screen feats.

Of course that just goes back to the point of ignoring the feats.

You keep looking at it from the point of view of if Hawkeye can beat one than that somehow lessens their abilities despite what is clearly shown and stated. You never stop to look at the fact that Hawkeye could just be that skilled as he is intended to be.

You just keep thinking they didn't look good enough or skilled enough to you so that means they can't be. You ignore what feats they pulled off, what the story has said about them and what their enemies did.

Also Hawkeye never engaged any of them without a weapon nor did he engage them in the same numbers Cap did.

This is another example here.

Your reasoning goes like this. The alien weapons obviously can't be as good as a gun with bullets because Cap was able to get shot in the stomach and be ok. He could never do that if he were shot by a gun.

But that ignores the fact that we already clearly see that these Alien weapons are likened to Hydra weapons before by Cap. It also ignores the fact that those weapons were able to hurt and knock down Ironman something no bullet from a gun has been able to to do in 3 movies.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes they were fodder but you are still ignoring their feats. They were clearly stronger than human beings based off of their on screen feats.

Of course that just goes back to the point of ignoring the feats.

You keep looking at it from the point of view of if Hawkeye can beat one than that somehow lessens their abilities despite what is clearly shown and stated. You never stop to look at the fact that Hawkeye could just be that skilled as he is intended to be.

You just keep thinking they didn't look good enough or skilled enough to you so that means they can't be. You ignore what feats they pulled off, what the story has said about them and what their enemies did.

Also Hawkeye never engaged any of them without a weapon nor did he engage them in the same numbers Cap did.

HawkEye stonecold KO'd one with a flick of his bow! Which shows that the Chitauri's gloves and boots are designed to take insane pressure.
-Chitauri's grabbing buildings after being launched.
-Chitauri's smashing cars beneath their feet.

Cap struggled with a Chitauri before elbowing it in the throat. And struggled with another whilst trying to protect the civilians form being exploded. What does that say about Cap's incredible skill?
Movie Cap isn't Comic Cap. By a long shot.


Originally posted by Newjak
This is another example here.

Your reasoning goes like this. The alien weapons obviously can't be as good as a gun with bullets because Cap was able to get shot in the stomach and be ok. He could never do that if he were shot by a gun.

But that ignores the fact that we already clearly see that these Alien weapons are likened to Hydra weapons before by Cap. It also ignores the fact that those weapons were able to hurt and knock down Ironman something no bullet from a gun has been able to to do in 3 movies.

The Chitauri weapons were concussive in nature. They hit hard. They didn't disintegrate their enemies upon touch like the HYDRA weapons did.
Hence Cap grasping his chest and being lifted by Thor. Both agreeing to fight some more.
Arguing such ammunition is like arguing Star Wars lasers against the projectile ammunition in our world.
You could burn Cap with a laser. But shoot a bullet in him.......and he can't get that bullet out can he?
Bullets are also invisible to the human eye. Not like laser bursts.

Well.... not if you're Ozymandias

Cap got shot in the gut in The First Avenger when the assassin tried to get away in the beginning...we he was still able to run and swim him down....

I don't remember Cap getting shot in that chase?

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't remember Cap getting shot in that chase?

after using the door as a partial shield he leaned against a wall and held his side, he was bleeding from a GSW. Take a look again

Originally posted by ctsketch
after using the door as a partial shield he leaned against a wall and held his side, he was bleeding from a GSW. Take a look again I'll have to check that out but I don't remember him bleeding or having any blood stains after that on his shirt

it was like on his oblique area, he held it with his hand, then looked at the blood for a second then continued the chase...didn't seem to slow him down.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What feats did those two fighters have that place them above movie Cap?

Every fight they had showed greater skill. Cap never learned how to fight. He relied on his enhanced physicality. Give them the super soldier serum and they would stomp Cap with ease.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Ozy doesn't have what it takes to beat movie Cap.

Let's see, Ozy is more skilled, just as strong (catching a bullet is a multi ton feat), and much faster (he can catch a bullet).

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, Nite Owl II and Rorschach are more skilled because they beat up common thugs?

It's how you beat someone up that determines skill and not who you beat up. Otherwise no one could ever make it to A level fighting ability.

You know, if Cap's stats prevent his fights from being proof of his skill level, then the same holds true for Ozy, since you're claiming his stats are just as good, if not better.

Cap should beat the snot out him, imo.

Originally posted by h1a8
Every fight they had showed greater skill.


Good lord. Rorschach was brought in by the police department. Thats just sad.

Originally posted by tkitna
Good lord. Rorschach was brought in by the police department. Thats just sad.

It's fun watching him dismiss Cap's wins because of his stats, then turn around and claim that Ozy is faster and just as strong as Cap.

Using his logic, shouldn't we dismiss Ozy wins?

Originally posted by tkitna
Good lord. Rorschach was brought in by the police department. Thats just sad.

Superman was koed by a gas station. That has nothing to do with the skill he has shown. Also Police has guns. Guns =/= fighting ability right Silent Master?

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's fun watching him dismiss Cap's wins because of his stats, then turn around and claim that Ozy is faster and just as strong as Cap.

Using his logic, shouldn't we dismiss Ozy wins?

I dismiss Cap because he hasn't shown awesome MA skill. He received NO training in the fighting arts in the movie. He will be outclassed by Ozy skill wise. It's only his physicality that will keep him in the fight.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You know, if Cap's stats prevent his fights from being proof of his skill level, then the same holds true for Ozy, since you're claiming his stats are just as good, if not better. It's how you beat someone that shows skill and not who you beat. Thor can beat the shit out of CA in h2h and it's not because he is more skilled.

Using your logic, the local karate forms champion is more skilled than Floyd Mayweather jr. after all, his moves look fancier than Floyd's.

Cap in both

Originally posted by the Darkone
Cap in both

Yeah, its not hard.

When was it ever stated in the movie that Ozy was a master martial artist?

Originally posted by iceman24567
When was it ever stated in the movie that Ozy was a master martial artist?

He's basing skill on what he thinks looks cooler, rather than effectiveness.

Some of the most effective martial arts are not flashy at all...

Originally posted by Silent Master
Using your logic, the local karate forms champion is more skilled than Floyd Mayweather jr. after all, his moves look fancier than Floyd's.

No, it's how you beat someone and not who you beat nor not how you look when doing forms. One must show their skill against an opponent or threat of some kind.

Originally posted by iceman24567
When was it ever stated in the movie that Ozy was a master martial artist? He was shown to be, I don't think it was stated.

Shown>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stated anyway.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He's basing skill on what he thinks looks cooler, rather than effectiveness.

Actually it's more scientific than that. It's about the technique, speed, reflexes, etc. It's not how flashy or how cooler one looks.


Ozy in both without much difficulty.

Cap puts his boot up Ozy a$$

When it comes to determining skill, Effectiveness >>>> looks cool

ozy IS peak physical as well or are the articles in the comic book completely disregarded?

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's fun watching him dismiss Cap's wins because of his stats, then turn around and claim that Ozy is faster and just as strong as Cap.

Using his logic, shouldn't we dismiss Ozy wins?
He did a similar thing in another thread , where he claimed that mathematical theories were not applicable to comics , and in the very next sentence used math to justify his argument .

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
ozy IS peak physical as well or are the articles in the comic book completely disregarded?
This is movie Oz , not comic Oz .

^well then it was never stated or shown that ozy is peak physical as far as i remember. dont think he has much of a chance then

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He did a similar thing in another thread , where he claimed that mathematical theories were not applicable to comics , and in the very next sentence used math to justify his argument . Oh really
Why tell lies
1. I never once used the term Mathematical Theories. You should start quoting a person to prevent saying false things.

2. I never claimed anything similar to this as it is through logic, science, and math that determines how great each feat is. Without it I can say that thrashing a tank = knocking someone in orbit since both seems impressive to me or that destroying a planet with a few punches = moving a planet at great speeds. It would all be subjective with no actual debate.

Misunderstanding and rearranging one's words doesn't do anyone any good.

Go and find the post where I stated any such things and I will show you a misunderstander and misinterpreter.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
^well then it was never stated or shown that ozy is peak physical as far as i remember. dont think he has much of a chance then
He has shown strength levels that matches movie Cap.
He jumps than 20-40ft away.
Throws a heavy ass throne chair more than 50ft with great speed before Nite Owl can shoot him with a laser.
Crushes a gun with his feet.
Knocks opponents more than 6ft away through the air.
Throws a more than 200lb person through a skyscraper building's reinforced glass window like it was made of tissue paper.
He caught a bullet with his own strength.


Displayed much greater skill in his techniques of fighting than Cap did (Cap received no training whatsoever).

lol@ thinking that catching a bullet requires strength rather than technique. until you're at a level where you are bullet proof/resistant, it has almost nothing to do with strength. it is purely reaction time + skill

Originally posted by h1a8
Oh really
Why tell lies
1. I never once used the term Mathematical Theories. You should start quoting a person to prevent saying false things.

2. I never claimed anything similar to this as it is through logic, science, and math that determines how great each feat is. Without it I can say that thrashing a tank = knocking someone in orbit since both seems impressive to me or that destroying a planet with a few punches = moving a planet at great speeds. It would all be subjective with no actual debate.

Misunderstanding and rearranging one's words doesn't do anyone any good.

Go and find the post where I stated any such things and I will show you a misunderstander and misinterpreter.
I don't need your input on how to interpret or understand someone's words , thank you very much .
However I will show your post which I was referring to and I'll let the onlookers decide what this post of yours implies :
Originally posted by h1a8
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The IG does have infinite power , only its infinity isn't the highest level of infinity , it is second to that of TOAA . When it comes to infinite power , Marvel has established levels of infinity , and this is based on an actual mathematical study done by the late Georg Cantor , which Zopzop provided a long time back in the Lucifer VS Thanos(w/ IG) thread .

As far as the IG being only universal goes , ample evidence was provided by MrMaster in that very same thread(Lucifer VS Thanos), which revealed that only does the IG have a trans-multiversal scale of power , it is quite possibly omniversal as well .

As far as Dr.Strange goes , he only stalemated individual gems , and he essentially needed every last artifact(and most of these artifacts are powered by high level Elder Gods, beings considerably above skyfathers like Odin) he possessed to accomplish such a feat .
Math and the nature of the universe are two different things. For example, with math Zenos' paradox still hold true.

Lastly, if showings contradict what is said then we ignore what is said and go by what is shown. The IG never showed infinite power. For example, with infinite force I can touch something and instantly disintegrate it. If I touch something and it just breaks to pieces then this is not infinite force but a finite force.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
lol@ thinking that catching a bullet requires strength rather than technique. until you're at a level where you are bullet proof/resistant, it has almost nothing to do with strength. it is purely reaction time + skill

Either way it shows Ozy superiority over Cap (skill or strength)

With that said, change in momentum over time equals force. Stopping a bullet with the hand is to change it's momentum, which requires a good deal of force (along with speed and technique)

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I don't need your input on how to interpret or understand someone's words , thank you very much .
However I will show your post which I was referring to and I'll let the onlookers decide what this post of yours implies :

Math and the nature of the universe are two different things. For example, with math Zenos' paradox still hold true.

Lastly, if showings contradict what is said then we ignore what is said and go by what is shown. The IG never showed infinite power. For example, with infinite force I can touch something and instantly disintegrate it. If I touch something and it just breaks to pieces then this is not infinite force but a finite force.

Now I will show you a misunderstander.
My statement was being applied to 'infinity'. The nature of the universe's infinity isn't the same as the mathematical interpretation. Otherwise we wouldn't have problems with Zeno's paradoxes. I'll explain later, got to go.

Originally posted by h1a8


Now I will show you a misunderstander.

As I stated before , I don't need your input on how to understand or interpret someone's statements .

Originally posted by h1a8


My statement was being applied to 'infinity'. The nature of the universe's infinity isn't the same as the mathematical interpretation. Otherwise we wouldn't have problems with Zeno's paradoxes. I'll explain later, got to go.
You dismissed the mathematical theory on which Marvel's "levels of infinity" concept is based , and in the very next paragraph , went on to use to math to justify your stance .
Yeah , that makes a lot of sense .

Last I checked h1a8 wasn't an expert in terminal ballistics, so I see no reason to assume his claim in regards to the strength needed to stop a bullet in accurate.

it doesnt matter the strength required to stop a bullet because if he tried to simply stop it it would go thru his hand <_<

I'm assuming Ozy had Kevlar or armored gloves?

Originally posted by ctsketch
I'm assuming Ozy had Kevlar or armored gloves?

I remember his hands bleeding, so I don't think so...

Originally posted by h1a8
Either way it shows Ozy superiority over Cap (skill or strength)

With that said, change in momentum over time equals force. Stopping a bullet with the hand is to change it's momentum, which requires a good deal of force (along with speed and technique)

No.

No.

No.

It's not about force at all

-Your local engineer and physics teacher

Originally posted by h1a8
He was shown to be, I don't think it was stated.

Shown>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stated anyway.



Actually it's more scientific than that. It's about the technique, speed, reflexes, etc. It's not how flashy or how cooler one looks.


Ozy in both without much difficulty. Nah he didn't show any martial arts mastery stop lying. Fancy moves doesn't equate to skill. Batman showed no fancy moves and he was trained by one of the oldest assassin sects in the world. Spiderman was able to do kicks and flips that only the best martial artist could dream about but he wasn't a master not even close. So it seems you are basing Ozys skills solely on how flashy it looked which is fail. You should leave and never return

this would be a much better fight comic book ozy vs movie cap. much more would come to bear for ozy

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah he didn't show any martial arts mastery stop lying. Fancy moves doesn't equate to skill. Batman showed no fancy moves and he was trained by one of the oldest assassin sects in the world. Spiderman was able to do kicks and flips that only the best martial artist could dream about but he wasn't a master not even close. So it seems you are basing Ozys skills solely on how flashy it looked which is fail. You should leave and never return

According to h1a8's logic, the 14 year old black belt at the local Mcdojo is more skilled than most Olympic wrestlers. after all, his sparring matches look much flashier than their matches.

^as far as i can tell, you are misrepresenting the spirit of his argument. hes not talking about how flashy they are but that looking at the moves someone uses you can tell how good they are

Cap tore through his opponents faster than Ozy did and yet according to h1a8, Ozy is faster and just as strong.

Sounds to me like Cap's style was more effective. yet he's giving Ozy the skill edge because Ozy's style looked more impressive to him, IOW, he's basing it on looks rather than results.

Originally posted by cdtm
I remember his hands bleeding, so I don't think so...

If it's a thin weave of kevlar then that is possible but no bare human hand is gonna stop a bullet, technique or not.

Cap vs Ozy would be a good fight IMO. Strength goes to Cap, Speed goes to Ozy. Skill goes to Ozy and combat effectiveness goes to Cap (due to durability, healing factor, hitting power, etc.).

Don't see a stomp in either part and twould be a good fight to watch, IMO.

I'll give the slight edge to Ozy 6/10 without the shield while cap edges him off 7/10 with the shield IMO.

There's a movie vs forum.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=102