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The version of Superman I'm talking about is OWAW Sundipped Superman. Is he faster than:

1) Pre Reboot Barry

2) Pre Reboot Wally

3) DCnU Flash


Combat speed and running speed.

No one is faster than Flash.. Period

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Wait for it....

The version of Superman I'm talking about is OWAW Sundipped Superman. Is he faster than:

1) Pre Reboot Barry

2) Pre Reboot Wally

3) DCnU Flash


Combat speed and running speed. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/344/845/fe3.png

In theory I could see a long sundip increasing Superman's speed well beyond the Flash, since he is already close.

In theory With the flashes precise control of the speedforce can make a long sundipped Supes moving at x slugs speed, in theory that is.

Superman speed blitz Flash.

Flash

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/Superman709-023.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/Superman709-025.jpg

Flash, else the character would be pointless...

sundipped superman should be faster.

also in terms of running at super speed, doesn't that translate to combat speed? I mean, if he's faster in one, why wouldn't he be faster in the other?

Originally posted by carver9
Superman speed blitz Flash. I hope you get Newjak-ed straight to a time out. sneer

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Flash

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/Superman709-023.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/Superman709-025.jpg
A normal superman caught flash. Not a bad showing.

All flashes are faster

Barry > Superman >= Wally

Flash is faster. They raced. Flash won.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A normal superman caught flash. Not a bad showing.

lol see I know what you are doing....and it feels like Deja Vu.

Ooh Abhil I can see a long and fruitful friendship.

Anyways at first I hadn't read the Op. Now that I know its a sun dipped sups....I still say flash. Just not in all 3.

Superman cutting loose has said Wally isn't fast enough to do anything to him. Fast enough to see it coming, but not fast enough to do anything.

Superman getting annoyed, casually backhanded Professor Zoom in the Time Masters mini. With Prof Zoom then immediately declaring Supes' speed as on par with his own. He then continued to match Zoom in that issue speed wise.

Flash in all three.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
lol see I know what you are doing....and it feels like Deja Vu.

Ooh Abhil I can see a long and fruitful friendship.

Anyways at first I hadn't read the Op. Now that I know its a sun dipped sups....I still say flash. Just not in all 3.
Just for you
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/barysupesholdingback.jpg

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superman cutting loose has said Wally isn't fast enough to do anything to him. Fast enough to see it coming, but not fast enough to do anything.

Superman getting annoyed, casually backhanded Professor Zoom in the Time Masters mini. With Prof Zoom then immediately declaring Supes' speed as on par with his own. He then continued to match Zoom in that issue speed wise.

then thats either PIS or CIS or both

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
then thats either PIS or CIS or both
Its neither. Superman is just that fast. He also has femtosecond level reaction speed.

He's not faster than Wally, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He's not faster than Wally, though.
Never said that.

He doesn't have to be faster than Wally running wise to be too fast for Wally too fight him up close when he's serious.

Barry is the best however.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just for you
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/barysupesholdingback.jpg

you are like the brother I never needed

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its neither. Superman is just that fast. He also has femtosecond level reaction speed.

Scans? Because I am interested to know why people would think superman is this fast.

ooh and btw

Originally posted by abhilegend
^That was when barry was black flash. Kal caught barry speeding in superman 709. What happened still happened and "could've", "would've" are meaningless. Barring some very high end portrayls superman is just under the flash's speed.


http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/JLA89pg01.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/JLA89pg02.jpg

Superman has feats of his own comparable to that one from Wally.

I need to find the issues again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Never said that.

Good.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He doesn't have to be faster than Wally running wise to be too fast for Wally too fight him up close when he's serious.

Barry is the best however.

You honestly think Superman's dynamic reflexes are faster than Wally's?

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/the_ninjak/flashsupesrace.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
Good.



You honestly think Superman's dynamic reflexes are faster than Wally's?

Hey man, Superman said so directly himself in comparison to Wally while he was fighting him and rest of the league, and this was well into Pre-Reboot. The way he talked of it, it was like comparing an average man to a Pacquiao or Mayweather in motor reflex, upper limb speed. "Fast enough to see it coming, not fast enough to do anything about it"

Superman is literally more powerful the most of the league combined. Wally included.

And he matched Professor Zoom in speed, he casually matched Barry in his perception speed in the Grounded Arc--same arc where Barry tells us he can see within Attoseconds or less.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
you are like the brother I never needed



Femtosecond level combat speed

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/th_supermanfemto.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/th_supermanfemto3.jpg

He was specifically under lightspeed. Not sure what is so special about it outside of calculations.

Every Flash is faster.

Writer mistakes are Writer mistakes. You are supposed to ignore them.

Same way Dwayne Mcduffie ****ed up and thought the real moon was only billions of tons.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not you.
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/flight/JLAClassified16a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/flight/JLAClassified16b.jpg

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hey man, Superman said so directly himself in comparison to Wally while he was fighting him and rest of the league, and this was well into Pre-Reboot. The way he talked of it, it was like comparing an average man to a Pacquiao or Mayweather in motor reflex, upper limb speed. "Fast enough to see it coming, not fast enough to do anything about it"

Superman is literally more powerful the most of the league combined. Wally included.

And he matched Professor Zoom in speed, he casually matched Barry in his perception speed in the Grounded Arc--same arc where Barry tells us he can see within Attoseconds or less.

And what do we do about all of Wally's reflex feats, then?

Originally posted by -Pr-
And what do we do about all of Wally's reflex feats, then?


http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/INSANE%20FEATS/CATCHES%20THE%20FLASH/th_TITANS010HOLDSTHEFLASH.jpg http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/INSANE%20FEATS/CATCHES%20THE%20FLASH/th_TITANS010HOLDSTHEFLASH2.jpg http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/INSANE%20FEATS/CATCHES%20THE%20FLASH/th_TITANS010HOLDSTHEFLASH3.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its neither. Superman is just that fast. He also has femtosecond level reaction speed.


So you can accept a statement from Zoom but you can't accept a statement from 3 people saying Wonder Woman is faster than Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend




Femtosecond level combat speed

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/th_supermanfemto.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/th_supermanfemto3.jpg

He was specifically under lightspeed. Not sure what is so special about it outside of calculations.

yea on panel it says that but it would be far beyond light speed to do that.

Berry also has Femtosecond speed.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/f-18-1.jpg

(would have responded earlier but Im making a new sig. Trying to make it pop out and animated.)

Originally posted by the ninjak
http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/the_ninjak/flashsupesrace.jpg


This isn't a good scan...humans was able to perceive them. They clearly wasn'tgoing anywhere close to light, let alone multiples the speed of sound.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/INSANE%20FEATS/CATCHES%20THE%20FLASH/th_TITANS010HOLDSTHEFLASH.jpg http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/INSANE%20FEATS/CATCHES%20THE%20FLASH/th_TITANS010HOLDSTHEFLASH2.jpg http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/INSANE%20FEATS/CATCHES%20THE%20FLASH/th_TITANS010HOLDSTHEFLASH3.jpg

Nice feat, but don't see how it's relevant.

Originally posted by carver9
So you can accept a statement from Zoom but you can't accept a statement from 3 people saying Wonder Woman is faster than Superman?

lol, the irony.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hey man, Superman said so directly himself in comparison to Wally while he was fighting him and rest of the league, and this was well into Pre-Reboot. The way he talked of it, it was like comparing an average man to a Pacquiao or Mayweather in motor reflex, upper limb speed. "Fast enough to see it coming, not fast enough to do anything about it"

Superman is literally more powerful the most of the league combined. Wally included.

And he matched Professor Zoom in speed, he casually matched Barry in his perception speed in the Grounded Arc--same arc where Barry tells us he can see within Attoseconds or less.

You are lying again.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And what do we do about all of Wally's reflex feats, then?

Why do we have to do anything?

He has his feats, and so do Superman, which are arguably just as good if not better.

Evacuating a city in 1000th of a microsecond, for instance, is probably at best as good as rebuilding a New York sized city like Metropolis within a few seconds--and Clark did that completely casually by the way.

Originally posted by carver9
So you can accept a statement from Zoom but you can't accept a statement from 3 people saying Wonder Woman is faster than Superman? All she has is statements, superman stopped zoom and thus its more believable.

Under a blue sun?

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
you are like the brother I never needed



Scans? Because I am interested to know why people would think superman is this fast.

ooh and btw




http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/JLA89pg01.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/JLA89pg02.jpg

Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by abhilegend
All she has is statements, superman stopped zoom and thus its more believable.

Diana stopped Zoom as well and tied him up "while blind". Diana has also entered the speed force off pure speed alone.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
yea on panel it says that but it would be far beyond light speed to do that.

Berry also has Femtosecond speed.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/f-18-1.jpg

(would have responded earlier but Im making a new sig. Trying to make it pop out and animated.)
We go by on panel feats. Otherwise superman is quadrillions of times lightspeed fast.

That's after the reboot, not applicable.

Originally posted by carver9
Diana stopped Zoom as well and tied him up "while blind". Diana has also entered the speed force off pure speed alone.
Zoom was distracted. She never did.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Zoom was distracted. She never did.

Zoom tried to dodge it but failed and again, this happened while she was blind.. She has also tagged Flash as well. I know she never did but she was at the brink of entering it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We go by on panel feats. Otherwise superman is quadrillions of times lightspeed fast.

That's after the reboot, not applicable.

I can bust out the Rebirth scans if you would like. For wally I think I have done my job already.

the three races are according to the OP..

1. Pre reboot Berry

2. Pre reboot Wally

3. DCnU Flash(Berry)

Post Flashpoint superman to my knowledge isn't capable of that kind speed. Not to mention we have yet to even see a sun dipped superman(I think)

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nice feat, but don't see how it's relevant.



lol, the irony.
Superman directly matched wally's reflexes?

Originally posted by carver9
Zoom tried to dodge it but failed and again, this happened while she was blind.. She has also tagged Flash as well. I know she never did but she was at the brink of entering it.
That scene is just PIS. It was made abundantely clear that diana was no match for zoom and that solidified when later zoom blitzed the shit out of her when she had the eyes. Not even close.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That scene is just PIS. It was made abundantely clear that diana was no match for zoom and that solidified when later zoom blitzed the shit out of her when she had the eyes. Not even close.


Lol...that scene was PIS huh? Hahahaha... , you are cool with me abhi...bias as f*** but you are a trip.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I can bust out the Rebirth scans if you would like. For wally I think I have done my job already.

the three races are according to the OP..

1. Pre reboot Berry

2. Pre reboot Wally

3. DCnU Flash(Berry)

Post Flashpoint superman to my knowledge isn't capable of that kind speed. Not to mention we have yet to even see a sun dipped superman(I think)
No need to. Rebirth was a barry wankfest and even in it barry had to enter speed force to ditch superman. I disagree but that's usual, isn't it?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that scene was PIS huh? Hahahaha... , you are cool with me abhi...bias as f*** but you are a trip.
Zoom having trouble dodging pebbles? Definitely PIS otherwise jesse quick tossed a bar at a speeding zoom and koed him. Jesse quick is faster than superman too?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Zoom having trouble dodging pebbles? Definitely PIS otherwise jesse quick tossed a bar at a speeding zoom and koed him. Jesse quick is faster than superman too?

I don't care who Jesse quick is faster than, what I'm telling you is "Wonder Woman wrapped Zoom up while blind". It can't get any better than that buddy. In your bias eyes it might be PIS but it happened.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No need to. Rebirth was a barry wankfest and even in it barry had to enter speed force to ditch superman. I disagree but that's usual, isn't it?

It is entirely usual lol Check you pm.

Anyways what can I say you gotta rep you character even if they happen to be the slow one

Originally posted by carver9
I don't care who Jesse quick is faster than, what I'm telling you is "Wonder Woman wrapped Zoom up while blind". It can't get any better than that buddy. In your bias eyes it might be PIS but it happened.
Jesse quick is on panel slower than superman. Its still PIS. Not to mention it wasn't entirely due to her reflexes.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
It is entirely usual lol Check you pm.

Anyways what can I say you gotta rep you character even if they happen to be the slow one
Yeah, flash is slower than superman. Poor you!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, flash is slower than superman. Poor you! No. He's not.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No. He's not.
Lulz.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jesse quick is on panel slower than superman. Its still PIS. Not to mention it wasn't entirely due to her reflexes.

I don't care what Jesse Quick is, what I'm saying is, Wonder Woman tied up Zoom while blind with something covering her eyes as well and Wonder Woman nearly entered the speed force off of pure speed alone. Like I said, take that how you want, it happened...deal with it.

Is there any quantifiable way to detiremine how much faster a Sundipped Superman would be?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Why do we have to do anything?

He has his feats, and so do Superman, which are arguably just as good if not better.

Evacuating a city in 1000th of a microsecond, for instance, is probably at best as good as rebuilding a New York sized city like Metropolis within a few seconds--and Clark did that completely casually by the way.

I'm just wondering what side of the fence you come down on.

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Originally posted by carver9
Diana stopped Zoom as well and tied him up "while blind". Diana has also entered the speed force off pure speed alone.

Originally posted by carver9
Zoom tried to dodge it but failed and again, this happened while she was blind.. She has also tagged Flash as well. I know she never did but she was at the brink of entering it.

What?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman directly matched wally's reflexes?

I don't see it as being that. Wally was running in a straight line, and Superman was fast enough to get in his way and grab him. Fast, sure, but not an indication that they're dead even.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, flash is slower than superman. Poor you!

No he isn't.

Originally posted by -Pr- ]I don't see it as being that. Wally was running in a straight line, and Superman was fast enough to get in his way and grab him. Fast, sure, but not an indication that they're dead even. I wasn't saying dead even. I was saying that wally couldn't get out of superman's grip as he matched his speed.




I was just teasing him. Party pooper.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7604/1164958-flashv2209p011_super.jpg

Question...minus amping his speed off others or amping from the speed force, has Wally or any of the Flashes went from 0 to light speed instantly?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, flash is slower than superman. Poor you!

pssh you wish! If superman were faster dont you think I would have a shrine in my room for him instead? I acknowledge sups is fast but not flash fast. In All Flash (I think) Wally's body was being controlled. Jay and superman were side by side and jay said something like "we are a closer match then you and wally. His speed is beyond ours." Then Jay steals supermans speed to catch up with wally.

Originally posted by carver9
Question...minus amping his speed off others or amping from the speed force, has Wally or any of the Flashes went from 0 to light speed instantly?

Weird question.

"amping from the speed force" suggests that Wally can't do it normally, but considering that's where his source of power comes from, everything he does is amped by the Speed Force. It would be like asking if Hulk can perform a strength feat without Gamma Radiation amping him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Weird question.

"amping from the speed force" suggests that Wally can't do it normally, but considering that's where his source of power comes from, everything he does is amped by the Speed Force. It would be like asking if Hulk can perform a strength feat without Gamma Radiation amping him.

Don't encourage him. facepalm

Originally posted by Batman-Prime


You didn't post the best part! Wally gets out of sups grasp and blats past him!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Weird question.

"amping from the speed force" suggests that Wally can't do it normally, but considering that's where his source of power comes from, everything he does is amped by the Speed Force. It would be like asking if Hulk can perform a strength feat without Gamma Radiation amping him.


I understand that but has he ever went from 0 to light from the get go?

Originally posted by carver9
I understand that but has he ever went from 0 to light from the get go?

I dunno.

I'd like to imagine he can.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
pssh you wish! If superman were faster dont you think I would have a shrine in my room for him instead? I acknowledge sups is fast but not flash fast. In All Flash (I think) Wally's body was being controlled. Jay and superman were side by side and jay said something like "we are a closer match then you and wally. His speed is beyond ours." Then Jay steals supermans speed to catch up with wally.
That was the re-telling of a past race. Superman has a upgrade since then and made Jay look like a statue. Jay has himself said that superman is faster than him.Originally posted by BlackZero30x
You didn't post the best part! Wally gets out of sups grasp and blats past him!
Superman has had an upgrade since then and wally a downgrade.

Originally posted by carver9
I understand that but has he ever went from 0 to light from the get go?

What is 'from the get go'?

Light is in slow motion--or not even moving at all, to a Flash.

Barry simply raising his hand to pick a booger within the attoseconds he thinks in, is already moving massively faster than light by the very meaning of attoseconds.

He will fling speed force amped boogers up your own nostrils and through your brain, that will then promptly explode like an atom bomb from the chain reaction. Massively faster than light booger picking. You cannot win against this man.

Originally posted by carver9
I understand that but has he ever went from 0 to light from the get go?

Flash #240 is what you are looking for (I believe he had no speed steals to obtain it)

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was the re-telling of a past race. Superman has a upgrade since then and made Jay look like a statue. Jay has himself said that superman is faster than him.
Superman has had an upgrade since then and wally a downgrade.

Well as of right now wally has had the biggest downgrade ever.....he doesn't exist yet

I agree Jay is slower then Sups. Especially after his run with Black Adam. I was just pointing out that superman wasn't up to par in that race. I think over all Superman would be faster then Jay but not Berry, Wally, or Bart.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was the re-telling of a past race. Superman has a upgrade since then and made Jay look like a statue. Jay has himself said that superman is faster than him.
Superman has had an upgrade since then and wally a downgrade.

He said Wonder Woman, Superman, and Hal is faster than him.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What is 'from the get go'?

Light is in slow motion--or not even moving at all, to a Flash.

Barry simply raising his hand to pick a booger within the attoseconds he thinks in, is already moving massively faster than light by the very meaning of attoseconds.

He will fling speed force amped boogers up your own nostrils and through your brain, that will then promptly explode like an atom bomb from the chain reaction. Massively faster than light booger picking. You cannot win against this man.

Lol...Sigh*, can someone else answer my question please. Scans would be nice.

Abhi just go on and tell pr you think Superman is faster then Wally. You've already made him break from Team Clark might as well finish the divide.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Flash #240 is what you are looking for (I believe he had no speed steals to obtain it)

Do you have scans?

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Abhi just go on and tell pr you think Superman is faster then Wally. You've already made him break from Team Clark might as well finish the divide.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Sigh*, can someone else answer my question please. Scans would be nice.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Flash #240 is what you are looking for (I believe he had no speed steals to obtain it)

I can't offer that atm because I am on my laptop and I only have scans that I have already uploaded to my photobucket. I will see if I can find the page online.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Sigh*, can someone else answer my question please. Scans would be nice.

What more is there to answer?

Light barely has time to cross the length of a few atoms in an attosecond.

Barry , simply being able to even *blink* in an attosecond is already like trillions of times faster than light.

Him taking even a step forward in an attosecond is likewise even greater than that.

I "obtained" this. If I get in trouble for getting something I already own....im gonna cry.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/Flash240018.jpg

Ahh one of the infamous Speed of Thought > Light instances

Dumb as phuck.

The speed of thought is slow as SHIT.

At least, the mortal speed of thought.

indeed. but like albhi said "we go by on panel" otherwise those scans I posted a bit back would have taken care of this

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I "obtained" this. If I get in trouble for getting something I already own....im gonna cry.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/ScarletSpeed/Flash240018.jpg

Naah, I guess what I'm asking for will never show on panel. He did it once when he was going against that guy that was teleporting but he absorbed speed from people around the planet.

I doubt you'll find a scan of it actually stated he goes from standing to FTL instantly unless you scrub through all his appearances for maybe like 5 scans. Most of it will be just implied

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
indeed. but like albhi said "we go by on panel" otherwise those scans I posted a bit back would have taken care of this

We don't go by on-panel when writers who are too stupid to do even 5 minutes of research, get something blatantly wrong.

Writer gaffes are completely ignorable.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What more is there to answer?

Light barely has time to cross the length of a few atoms in an attosecond.

Barry , simply being able to even *blink* in an attosecond is already like trillions of times faster than light.

Him taking even a step forward in an attosecond is likewise even greater than that.


Do you have scans of him moving at a attosecond or are you basing this off of a statement?

Once again....

Him even taking a casual god damn step within even nanoseconds already makes him as fast or faster than light.

light can only move a single foot in a nanosecond.

Barry or Wally are far beyond nanoseconds. Especially Barry.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I doubt you'll find a scan of it actually stated he goes from standing to FTL instantly unless you scrub through all his appearances for maybe like 5 scans. Most of it will be just implied
Yea. Best I can think of is Wally posing as Flash and himself at the same time in the same room to ask zooms girl questions. Though it doesn't state he is at the speed of light. He just goes from standing still to so fast you cant see him.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Well as of right now wally has had the biggest downgrade ever.....he doesn't exist yet

I agree Jay is slower then Sups. Especially after his run with Black Adam. I was just pointing out that superman wasn't up to par in that race. I think over all Superman would be faster then Jay but not Berry, Wally, or Bart.
Jay is a statue to a blitzing superman now
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_JusticeLeagueofAmerica010-0203.jpg
Superman has outsped bart too and current bart can't beat even superboy in race.Originally posted by carver9
He said Wonder Woman, Superman, and Hal is faster than him. Give it up carv. You can't win against me

i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/E06.jpg

i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/E07.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Do you have scans of him moving at a attosecond or are you basing this off of a statement?

How do you portray something happening within an attosecond without saying 'this is an attosecond', Carver?

Please think. That would be a statement as well. A statement of speed at a certain scale is the only way you can easily do so.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jay is a statue to a blitzing superman now
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_JusticeLeagueofAmerica010-0203.jpg
Superman has outsped bart too and current bart can't beat even superboy in race. Give it up carv. You can't win against me

i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/E06.jpg
i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/E07.jpg

Well I specifically meant bart as in flash bart. He had the entire speed force in himself. Only other existing speedster was jay but jay originally wasn't drawing on the speed force anyways. I wouldn't know current bart as I haven't read Titans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jay is a statue to a blitzing superman now
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_JusticeLeagueofAmerica010-0203.jpg
Superman has outsped bart too and current bart can't beat even superboy in race. Give it up carv. You can't win against me

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Why are you saying Jay was a statue in that scan? Was Jay using his full speed in the scan you provided.?

Can't see your second scan but the instance where Jay say the 3 is faster is in the same comic you are saying Jay was a statue.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
How do you portray something happening within an attosecond without saying 'this is an attosecond', Carver?

Please think. That would be a statement as well. A statement of speed at a certain scale is the only way you can easily do so.

I remember Flash saying he can perceive at attoseconds but he was talking to someone. Do you have attosecond fts while he is running or taking action?

Dang, here it is and no carver jay didn't mention diana


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Originally posted by carver9
Why are you saying Jay was a statue in that scan? Was Jay using his full speed in the scan you provided.?

Can't see your second scan but the instance where Jay say the 3 is faster is in the same comic you are saying Jay was a statue.
He was portrayed as a statue while running when superman blitzed him. Of course he was using his full speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dang, here it is and no carver jay didn't mention diana


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Ok, I got Diana mixed up with Powergirl. I don't think Red Tornado is faster than Jay. During that time, wasn't Jay top speed 2000mps.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dang, here it is and no carver jay didn't mention diana


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I wouldn't take that as admission that they were all faster then him. More that the others can match or out run him.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We don't go by on-panel when writers who are too stupid to do even 5 minutes of research, get something blatantly wrong.

Writer gaffes are completely ignorable.

I really don't think comics are for you, yeah this is a laughable one but I mean in general you take more issue then most with things that don't make sense in real terms.

I think in an issue before this, Vixen kept up with him while using her cheetah abilities IIRC. That was a bad issue for Jay.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I really don't think comics are for you, yeah this is a laughable one but I mean in general you take more issue then most with things that don't make sense in real terms.

comics have the worst writing in fiction, bar none.

but they also have my favorite characters, bar none. it's a love hate thing.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
comics have the worst writing in fiction, bar none.

but they also have my favorite characters, bar none. it's a love hate thing.

So you love the characters but hate the stories? Makes sense, I can understand that.

Originally posted by carver9
I think in an issue before this, Vixen kept up with him while using her cheetah abilities IIRC. That was a bad issue for Jay.
Vixen was stealing his power.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I got Diana mixed up with Powergirl. I don't think Red Tornado is faster than Jay. During that time, wasn't Jay top speed 2000mps.
You always mix up. Red tornado is a wind elemental, he is pretty fast. You again with that 2000 mps bullshit? He's always just under lightspeed.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Flash, else the character would be pointless... he still is

Originally posted by abhilegend
You always mix up. Red tornado is a wind elemental, he is pretty fast. You again with that 2000 mps bullshit? He's always just under lightspeed.


I'm going by his speed being decreased. I think Darth made a good argument on this as well.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm going by his speed being decreased. I think Darth made a good argument on this as well.
Where was his speed decreased? Darth was always lowballing superman, so no surprise there.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I got Diana mixed up with Powergirl. I don't think Red Tornado is faster than Jay. During that time, wasn't Jay top speed 2000mps.

lol.

This debate is pointless. Everyone who's ever read a DC comic knows the Flash is faster than Superman. This is about SUNDIPPED Superman, and who the hell knows how fast he is. Common sense would tell me he'd be faster than any Flash, but there's no way to prove it, so what else is there to discuss?

A sunamped superman makes boom tube like effect in space-time and goes to source wall instantenously
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Now consider how fast sundipped superman would be.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
This debate is pointless. Everyone who's ever read a DC comic knows the Flash is faster than Superman. This is about SUNDIPPED Superman, and who the hell knows how fast he is. Common sense would tell me he'd be faster than any Flash, but there's no way to prove it, so what else is there to discuss?

More or less how I feel. It's speculative how fast a sundipped amp would make him.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We don't go by on-panel when writers who are too stupid to do even 5 minutes of research, get something blatantly wrong.

Writer gaffes are completely ignorable.

if thats the case then he was very clearly going over the speed of light saving those half a million people.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
if thats the case then he was very clearly going over the speed of light saving those half a million people.

Absolutely.

Likewise, the shadow moon didn't only weigh 'billions' of tons because that isn't the weight of our actual moon--which it was supposed to be equivalent to in that front.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Barry > Superman >= Wally
lol wat? wally has way better speed feats than superman and barry

No, he does not.

Barry IS the speed force. Flashpoint > Wally's entire career.

Likewise, Superman directly shows us that his reflexes are faster than Wally's. His stand alone feats by themselves compare favorably to Wally's as well.

^ nono

Kingdom Come Superman was already as fast as Wally, per Jay, and he's in conception, if not in actual Earth 1 continuity, an older Superman who soaked more solar energy.

The amount of power he had was still inconsequential as far as a sundipped Superman is concerned.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No, he does not.

Barry IS the speed force. Flashpoint > Wally's entire career.

Likewise, Superman directly shows us that his reflexes are faster than Wally's. His stand alone feats by themselves compare favorably to Wally's as well.

so? bart was the speed force and he didn't do much

wally saved half million people from nuclear explosion in 0.0001 microsecond

Originally posted by MrMind
so? bart was the speed force and he didn't do much

wally saved half million people from nuclear explosion in 0.0001 microsecond

well I can see how thats a problem on a forum but it is entirely reasonable to think he didn't do anything because he was terrified of his power. iirc Bart even said he felt like he was going to be torn apart from the inside.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No, he does not.

Barry IS the speed force. Flashpoint > Wally's entire career.

Likewise, Superman directly shows us that his reflexes are faster than Wally's. His stand alone feats by themselves compare favorably to Wally's as well.

This guy can't be serious.