Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

OK so there has been a lot of discussion about which one is tougher, Captain America's nearly indestructible shield, and Galactus' nearly indestructible armor. Which of these two objects are more durable at base levels? When I say base levels, I mean without amplification.

Good luck determining Galactus' "base" levels.

Cap's shield.

Unless you think Thanos can do this to it :
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/2076/2333505thanos0507ec5.th.jpg
Look at the helmet, it's broken.

Edited for image size.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Good luck determining Galactus' "base" levels.


Well not really, because Galactus typically hangs out at around the 25-50 foot range to conserve energy, and only becomes larger than planets in special circumstances. I could be a bit off in terms of size, but I'm sure that most will understand my meaning.

Originally posted by zopzop
Cap's shield.

Unless you think Thanos can do this to it :
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/2076/2333505thanos0507ec5.th.jpg
Look at the helmet, it's broken.

Edited for image size.

This is a very compelling scan. Are there any of Thanos hitting the shield without anything amplifying his physical stats? Lol Zop you came out swinging.

Originally posted by Stoic
This is a very compelling scan. Are there any of Thanos hitting the shield without anything amplifying his physical stats? Lol Zop you came out swinging.

Mindless Thanos (newly reborn/weakened state) smashing down on Major Victory's shield. Even at a weakened state, Thanos was still quite powerful. Three very powerful telepaths(Moondragon, Mantis, Cosmo) couldn't do anything psionically, Gamora's blade "Godslayer" which was nigh indestructible broke on his skin, and a cosmic cube no less was the only thing that worked to knock him out. It didn't even kill him. Comic inconsistencies for the win.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Miscellany/th_GuardiansoftheGalaxyv225-013.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Miscellany/th_GuardiansoftheGalaxyv225-014.jpg

Originally posted by Stoic
This is a very compelling scan. Are there any of Thanos hitting the shield without anything amplifying his physical stats? Lol Zop you came out swinging.
And then there's this, keep in mind Thor had a GAPING wound at the time :
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7898/2496970screenshot201207.th.png
I don't see him doing that to Cap's shield.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mindless Thanos (newly reborn/weakened state) smashing down on Major Victory's shield. Even at a weakened state, Thanos was still quite powerful. Three very powerful telepaths(Moondragon, Mantis, Cosmo) couldn't do anything psionically, Gamora's blade "Godslayer" which was nigh indestructible broke on his skin, and a cosmic cube no less was the only thing that worked to knock him out. It didn't even kill him. Comic inconsistencies for the win.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Miscellany/th_GuardiansoftheGalaxyv225-013.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Miscellany/th_GuardiansoftheGalaxyv225-014.jpg




Do you recall the Sentry (Not Sentroid or Voidtry) wrestling against the pressures of a Cosmic Cube attempting to free itself from his grasp? Draw your own conclusions on where I'm going with that. Here's a hint, Sentry would not be able to crack that shield.

Fallen One breaking Galactus' armor :
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5300/fallenxr.th.jpg
I don't see him doing jack vs Cap's shield.

it's a strange issue, and one that opens a lot of other similar issues. the 2 things are almost impossible to fairly compare imo. the entire history of the shield is based on its unbreakability. when the shield is damaged or broken, it is usually associated with some sort of major event--it's one of those 'holy f***' moments that indicates there was a massive power used. i think the shield has actually been nerfed in recent years, but that's just my opinion.

in contrast, if g's armor is damaged, readers (at least myself) take it in stride. it isn't a means of defence, as much as it is a costume, or containment suit. has it withstood greater cosmic forces than the shield? yeah, i think that is safe to say. the best feats for the shield i can recall off-hand are withstanding krona's blast (i think it was krona who blasted kal when he had it, and the same krona who beat down galactus (did he wreck g's armour in his attack?)), and taking korvac's power (iirc) in the avengers. i'm sure there must be others but for some reason i can't think of any.

still, g's armor has been through greater battles (like the beyonder) and survived. but again, not sure it's a great comparison. the armour also keeps him from appearing naked, so it will always survive. like hulk's pants.

galan made some great and fair points in that other thread about a desire to compare higher durability feats and there WAS an awful lot of dodging by several people when he asked for the higher order comparisons. but is g's armor based on his power levels? the armour is certainly thicker. too many variables. the shield is renowned for its durability. g's armour is not. that of course doesn't mean shield>armour but the shield does not suffer from all the variables i mentioned. if push came to shove, i would say the shield is likely stronger in general, but given the nature of galactus himself, i see no reason to think the armour can't fluctuate in levels and we can't dismiss the high showings of the armour to survive conflicts that would likely have destroyed the shield. i just tend to see that as more related to the nature of galactus himself, than the armour in particular. if that makes sense.

Originally posted by zopzop
Fallen One breaking Galactus' armor :
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5300/fallenxr.th.jpg
I don't see him doing jack vs Cap's shield.


I would agree, and guess who is indirectly the yardstick? Yep Thanos.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's a strange issue, and one that opens a lot of other similar issues. the 2 things are almost impossible to fairly compare imo. the entire history of the shield is based on its unbreakability. when the shield is damaged or broken, it is usually associated with some sort of major event--it's one of those 'holy f***' moments that indicates there was a massive power used. i think the shield has actually been nerfed in recent years, but that's just my opinion.

in contrast, if g's armor is damaged, readers (at least myself) take it in stride. it isn't a means of defence, as much as it is a costume, or containment suit. has it withstood greater cosmic forces than the shield? yeah, i think that is safe to say. the best feats for the shield i can recall off-hand are withstanding krona's blast (i think it was krona who blasted kal when he had it, and the same krona who beat down galactus (did he wreck g's armour in his attack?)), and taking korvac's power (iirc) in the avengers. i'm sure there must be others but for some reason i can't think of any.

still, g's armor has been through greater battles (like the beyonder) and survived. but again, not sure it's a great comparison. the armour also keeps him from appearing naked, so it will always survive. like hulk's pants.

galan made some great and fair points in that other thread about a desire to compare higher durability feats and there WAS an awful lot of dodging by several people when he asked for the higher order comparisons. but is g's armor based on his power levels? the armour is certainly thicker. too many variables. the shield is renowned for its durability. g's armour is not. that of course doesn't mean shield>armour but the shield does not suffer from all the variables i mentioned. if push came to shove, i would say the shield is likely stronger in general, but given the nature of galactus himself, i see no reason to think the armour can't fluctuate in levels and we can't dismiss the high showings of the armour to survive conflicts that would likely have destroyed the shield. i just tend to see that as more related to the nature of galactus himself, than the armour in particular. if that makes sense.

That makes lot's of sense to me. And where was this post when all of that fuss about the subject was going down?

*sighs* People are still using the lowest possible showing of G's armor in THIS thread, too?

Let's start with this...
Galactus teleports into a star going nova, without his armor being breached in the slightest:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/galactusnova.jpg

Has the shield tanked forces comparable to a TRUE nova? If so, we'll move on to other medium/high-end feats. If not, the debate ends here.

Originally posted by Galan007
*sighs* People are still using the lowest possible showing of G's armor in THIS thread, too?

Let's start with this...
Galactus teleports into a star going nova, without his armor being breached in the slightest:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/galactusnova.jpg

Has the shield tanked forces comparable to a TRUE nova? If so, we'll move on to other medium/high-end feats. If not, the debate ends here.


but in the same arc it shows Thanos cracking his armor, by leaving micro cracks all along his chest plate, and his helmet was all cracked up. Two things would need to be proven.

1. That Galactus was not shielding himself from the exposure of the nova.
2. Proving that the shield would not survive the exposure unscathed.

You know what I mean?

Originally posted by zopzop
And then there's this, keep in mind Thor had a GAPING wound at the time :
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7898/2496970screenshot201207.th.png
I don't see him doing that to Cap's shield.

It was a space-time wound that didn't seem to really diminish his fighting capability.

But still, at base levels it's harder to break the shield than the armor.



He could if he used matter manipulation

Originally posted by Stoic
but in the same arc it shows Thanos cracking his armor, by leaving micro cracks all along his chest plate, and his helmet was all cracked up. Two things would need to be proven.

1. That Galactus was not shielding himself from the exposure of the nova.
2. Proving that the shield would not survive the exposure unscathed.

You know what I mean? Even though Starlin's interpretation of Galactus was laughable, Thanos is no less than a trans-tier being. Newb King Thor was also a trans-tier being, and he dented Cap's shield with a mere swat(no energy attacks were required.) See what I'm saying?

If it wasn't stated that G was shielding himself from the nova(which it wasn't) then it's illogical to assume he was. Therefore, I don't really need to prove anything.

Listen, I'm not denying that G's armor has lower-end showings. I am simply saying that when you take into consideration ALL of the armor's showings, it has historically tanked much higher-level of attacks than the shield. That much cannot be argued. If you disagree, then please post the most powerful force the shield has tanked, and we'll go from there. I urge you not to dodge this question like everyone else has.

Originally posted by Galan007
Even though Starlin's interpretation of Galactus was laughable, Thanos is no less than a trans-tier being. Newb King Thor was also a trans-tier being, and he dented Cap's shield with a mere swat(no energy attacks were required.) See what I'm saying?

If it wasn't stated that G was shielding himself from the nova(which it wasn't) then it's illogical to assume he was. Therefore, I don't really need to prove anything.

Listen, I'm not denying that G's armor has lower-end showings. I am simply saying that when you take into consideration ALL of the armor's showings, it has historically tanked much higher-level of attacks than the shield. That much cannot be argued. If you disagree, then please post the most powerful force the shield has tanked, and we'll go from there. I urge you not to dodge this question like everyone else has.


1. Thanos was certainly a trans tier, but I disagree in concerns to King Thor, I believe that he was a lower level Sky Father. He always had the power, but not the experience. It's kind of like saying that a 1970s Wonder Man was a low meta due to his ineptitude at combat, or lack of expertise in terms concerning the martial arts. He still had the power to chuck 100 ton objects.

2. There is nothing to say that he was or was not shielding himself from the extreme temperatures of the star. I'll leave it at that.

3. Well as another poster pointed out, the shield has taken hits from Korvak, and other powerful forces that may raise a few eyebrows on it's recent showings. I believe that Marvel's recent upgrade of the shield and the Serpent cracking it wasn't a coincidence. Something to think on perhaps? Again I'm not dodging, I just can't recall the higher durability feats that the shield has tanked, but it does not mean that they don't exist, just that I am hard pressed to recite them. Read the above posts, and you will get your answers.

@ Galan. Read this.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's a strange issue, and one that opens a lot of other similar issues. the 2 things are almost impossible to fairly compare imo. the entire history of the shield is based on its unbreakability. when the shield is damaged or broken, it is usually associated with some sort of major event--it's one of those 'holy f***' moments that indicates there was a massive power used. i think the shield has actually been nerfed in recent years, but that's just my opinion.

in contrast, if g's armor is damaged, readers (at least myself) take it in stride. it isn't a means of defence, as much as it is a costume, or containment suit. has it withstood greater cosmic forces than the shield? yeah, i think that is safe to say. the best feats for the shield i can recall off-hand are withstanding krona's blast (i think it was krona who blasted kal when he had it, and the same krona who beat down galactus (did he wreck g's armour in his attack?)), and taking korvac's power (iirc) in the avengers. i'm sure there must be others but for some reason i can't think of any.

still, g's armor has been through greater battles (like the beyonder) and survived. but again, not sure it's a great comparison. the armour also keeps him from appearing naked, so it will always survive. like hulk's pants.

galan made some great and fair points in that other thread about a desire to compare higher durability feats and there WAS an awful lot of dodging by several people when he asked for the higher order comparisons. but is g's armor based on his power levels? the armour is certainly thicker. too many variables. the shield is renowned for its durability. g's armour is not. that of course doesn't mean shield>armour but the shield does not suffer from all the variables i mentioned. if push came to shove, i would say the shield is likely stronger in general, but given the nature of galactus himself, i see no reason to think the armour can't fluctuate in levels and we can't dismiss the high showings of the armour to survive conflicts that would likely have destroyed the shield. i just tend to see that as more related to the nature of galactus himself, than the armour in particular. if that makes sense.

Originally posted by Stoic
That makes lot's of sense to me. And where was this post when all of that fuss about the subject was going down? I did pretty much say roughly the same thing in the other thread

Galactus' armor seems to fluctuate as he gets weaker... for an in comic explanation

But since it says base levels..

Galactus' armor after him and Mephisto were spitting enough power out at each other to destroy distant constellations:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Mephisto/ssjd617ye.jpg

His armor looks pretty ok after the Galactus Engine fight:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/thanos_06_007-008.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/thanos_06_016.jpg

His armor after the Scrier/Other fight (taking their shots, planets getting thrown at him, etc), and after taking an enhanced Godblast:
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/?action=view&current=ThorAnnual038.jpg

If the highest thing Cap has taken without getting broken is Korvac, then you can call this right now.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Galactus' armor seems to fluctuate as he gets weaker... for an in comic explanation

But since it says base levels..

Galactus' armor after him and Mephisto were spitting enough power out at each other to destroy distant constellations:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Mephisto/ssjd617ye.jpg

His armor looks pretty ok after the Galactus Engine fight:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/thanos_06_007-008.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/thanos_06_016.jpg

His armor after the Scrier/Other fight (taking their shots, planets getting thrown at him, etc), and after taking an enhanced Godblast:
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/?action=view&current=ThorAnnual038.jpg

If the highest thing Cap has taken without getting broken is Korvac, then you can call this right now.

Thor used a godblast in that annual?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor used a godblast in that annual?
This sure as hell seems like it
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/?action=view&current=ThorAnnual037.jpg

The next page is the one I showed

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This sure as hell seems like it
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/?action=view&current=ThorAnnual037.jpg

The next page is the one I showed
Well it kinda just looks like massive lightning. The godblast has always been portrayed as a solid energy blast shooting out from Mjolnir, but the narration sure makes it seem like Thor's tapping into that godly energy.

Galactus does have the feats.
A better question would be if a Galactus armor made of the vibranium/adamantium mix hold up the same? It would be thicker and more compact.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Well it kinda just looks like massive lightning. The godblast has always been portrayed as a solid energy blast shooting out from Mjolnir, but the narration sure makes it seem like Thor's tapping into that godly energy. I don't think I've seen Galactus shoot lightning either, but that was his main attack (and from his eyes too). Galactus was Palpatine there.

It looked really cool I guess, and the art was fantastic, so Thor's Blast was lightning.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't think I've seen Galactus shoot lightning either, but that was his main attack (and from his eyes too). Galactus was Palpatine there.

It looked really cool I guess, and the art was fantastic, so Thor's Blast was lightning.

Oh yeah the art was awesome. The story was pretty good too and I liked the good showing for Galactus.

http://i49.tinypic.com/zmcr9c.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/1zez0w4.jpg

If anything, it helps the Godblast being useful in threads (shields, quick blast)...
heh, maybe someone will argue it when Thor stops being used like a pillow in a pillow fight.

Basically what I'm saying is enjoy your last well written good Thor feat for a while

True. If it was a godblast I wouldn't really mind. Galactus was starving when the godblast hurt him as bad as it did anyway.

Dear God I hope Thor doesn't use the godblast right now. I'd be money Bendisforce Luke Cage shrugging it off the way things are now.


oh & I guess it's actually going by that official name now also. i always thought it had just been a forum thing lol.


http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/35192/1722656-astonishing_thor__1_020.jpg

Originally posted by Damborgson
oh & I guess it's actually going by that official name now also. i always thought it had just been a forum thing lol.

I thought you were referring to Bendisforce at first

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I thought you were referring to Bendisforce at first
Thats common knowledge.


http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3o25lhJmj1qesjyfo1_500.gif

I am going with Cap's sheild, So far the things i remember effecting it was

The beyonder

King Thor

The serpant after he was "more" powerful then Odin

Plus cap's sheild is even stronger now

Galactus' helm, was also cracked or destroyed in BRB mini i think

Originally posted by Stoic
That makes lot's of sense to me. And where was this post when all of that fuss about the subject was going down?

well, like i said, i don't think it's a comparison that can really work. it's apples and oranges to me. i could see that other thread tail-spinning and i kinda had an idea where odg was going with his posts. i actually referenced hulk's pants before he brought up superman's cape..... it's what i meant when i said the question opened up other, similar cases....

thing is, i don't think odg's reasoning is really off-base. but, i also don't think there is anything wrong with the way galan is viewing it either. both are simply approaching from different places. hrm. sounds like i'm straddling, but i'm not. i think my pov is differs from both but i definitely get where each is coming from.

A question:

Galactus really have a armor ?

His true form is this:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/rave74/silversurfer19880101213vz1.jpg

People only "see" Galactus as human

People from other races see Galactus with others forms. The BRB race saw Galactus as a mithological monster from their Culture:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/47254/1656654-brb_strike5_super.jpg

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
A question:

Galactus really have a armor ?

His true form is this:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/rave74/silversurfer19880101213vz1.jpg

People only "see" Galactus as human

. People from other races see Galactus with others forms. The BRB race saw Galactus as a mithological monster from their Culture.
Yeah he really does wear armor.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7jn4to9Pb1qzizmho1_1280.jpg
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/GerryTurnbull/2006-12-03_060011_armour.jpg
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/MarinBalabanov/2006-12-01_181020_galactus.jpg

Originally posted by DarkOdin
I am going with Cap's sheild, So far the things i remember effecting it was

The beyonder

King Thor

The serpant after he was "more" powerful then Odin

Plus cap's sheild is even stronger now

Galactus' helm, was also cracked or destroyed in BRB mini i think

It was actually Doom with Beyonder's powers. It was also broken by Molecule Man and Thanos w/IG

is this a phoenix powered SS cutting through the sheild or is it just ghosting through?

In the past the SS w/o PF would always just bounce off the shield when Magik tried to hit Cap.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2533014-avx_zone_9013.jpg

His armor was starting to get eaten away by the acid rain on Wraithworld in the Dark Nebula. When he returned after being driven off by the Deathwings his armor was totally shredded.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Galactus' armor seems to fluctuate as he gets weaker... for an in comic explanation

But since it says base levels..

Galactus' armor after him and Mephisto were spitting enough power out at each other to destroy distant constellations:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Mephisto/ssjd617ye.jpg

His armor looks pretty ok after the Galactus Engine fight:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/thanos_06_007-008.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/thanos_06_016.jpg

His armor after the Scrier/Other fight (taking their shots, planets getting thrown at him, etc), and after taking an enhanced Godblast:
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/?action=view&current=ThorAnnual038.jpg

If the highest thing Cap has taken without getting broken is Korvac, then you can call this right now.

End of discussion.

Originally posted by Galan007
*sighs* People are still using the lowest possible showing of G's armor in THIS thread, too?

Let's start with this...
Galactus teleports into a star going nova, without his armor being breached in the slightest:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/galactusnova.jpg

Has the shield tanked forces comparable to a TRUE nova? If so, we'll move on to other medium/high-end feats. If not, the debate ends here.

If it is such a low showing then why do you use it when trying to debate BRB's power? Either BRB busting Galactus helmet is PIS or Cap's shield>>>>>Galactus helmet.

Also know that Cap's shield is more durable than primary adamantium. That means it has the feats of primary adamantium.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also know that Cap's shield is more durable than primary adamantium. That means it has the feats of primary adamantium. What's the best thing that's tanked H1?

Even if we follow this logic...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Galactus' armor seems to fluctuate as he gets weaker... for an in comic explanation

But since it says base levels..

Galactus' armor after him and Mephisto were spitting enough power out at each other to destroy distant constellations:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Mephisto/ssjd617ye.jpg

His armor looks pretty ok after the Galactus Engine fight:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/thanos_06_007-008.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/thanos_06_016.jpg
The problem is that we don't see G take a hit. He could have used shields (G does have shields you know) or simply repaired his armor (like he always does). Without seeing the actual details of the battle (G getting hit) we are forced to speculate.



Planets are fluff when compared to the durability of adamantium. It's like a strong piece of iron getting hit with a mountain of fluff.

Also blunt force durability isn't the same as energy projection durability.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What's the best thing that's tanked H1?

Even if we follow this logic...

IDK so you have a good point. But one thing is for certain. Energy blast =/= blunt force trauma. G has both high and low showings, where Cap's shield doesn't have many low showings and it's high showings may not quite compare. So averaging things out Cap's shield may fare better. But am I the only one that goes by highest non PIS showings? I thought you guys went by averages.

Originally posted by Galan007


End of discussion.

Pretty much. It's been shown that Caps shield fails at a certain point against skyfather like powers. Galactus at his higher showings stomps on the shield.

Originally posted by h1a8
The problem is that we don't see G take a hit. He could have used shields (G does have shields you know) or simply repaired his armor (like he always does). Without seeing the actual details of the battle (G getting hit) we are forced to speculate.



Planets are fluff when compared to the durability of adamantium. It's like a strong piece of iron getting hit with a mountain of fluff.

Also blunt force durability isn't the same as energy projection durability. So, these battles actually happened off panel then?

Except when Morlun has snapped adamantium.

Planets are fluff everybody

Originally posted by h1a8
If it is such a low showing then why do you use it when trying to debate BRB's power? Either BRB busting Galactus helmet is PIS or Cap's shield>>>>>Galactus helmet.

Also know that Cap's shield is more durable than primary adamantium. That means it has the feats of primary adamantium. I can accept the notion that Bill damaging Galactus' armor is PIS. But wouldn't that, in turn, mean that we'd have to call any instance in which a herald-level character has damaged G's armor PIS as well? Such a line of logic certainly doesn't help the shield supporters in this thread, though.


Listen, almost everyone/thing in comics has high and low showings. The point of this thread is to figure out which of these 'items' has been consistently portrayed as more durable. ie. The shield has consistently been damaged, or outright destroyed, by sub-Odin-level forces-- newb King Thor(weaker than Odin) dented the phuck out of it, Reigning King Thor(close to Odin's level, but still weaker) slagged it casually, The Serpent(weaker than Odin) shattered it like cheap glass. Galactus' armor, on the other hand, has consistently held up to forces far more powerful than those sufficient to damage the shield(bran posted a few of such instances.)

Consistency is key-- and in that respect, Galactus' armor>Cap's shield.

---

As far as Bill being able to damage the shield, I do believe the potential is there. The fella has downed B&T Thor(who was powerful enough to two-shot Surfer), downed Kurse, shattered planets, etc. via hammer-strikes alone. A newb King Thor put a huge dent in Cap's shield with a swift uppercut-- a strike that certainly didn't seem to be packing all of his power behind it. Because of that, I personally think an argument could be made for Bill to dent it as well, IF he put every iota of energy at his disposal behind the strike. He might not leave as large of a dent as KT did, but I think he'd damage it to some extent.

...But that's neither here nor there.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Planets are fluff to things far greater in durability everybody

fixed

Originally posted by Galan007
I can accept the notion that Bill damaging Galactus' armor is PIS. But wouldn't that, in turn, mean that we'd have to call any instance in which a herald-level character has damaged G's armor PIS as well? Such a line of logic certainly doesn't help the shield supporters in this thread, though.


Listen, almost everyone/thing in comics has high and low showings. The point of this thread is to figure out which of these 'items' has been consistently portrayed as more durable. ie. The shield has consistently been damaged, or outright destroyed, by sub-Odin-level forces-- newb King Thor(weaker than Odin) dented the phuck out of it, Reigning King Thor(close to Odin's level, but still weaker) slagged it casually, The Serpent(weaker than Odin) shattered it like cheap glass. Galactus' armor, on the other hand, has consistently held up to forces far more powerful than those sufficient to damage the shield(bran posted a few of such instances.)

Consistency is key-- and in that respect, Galactus' armor>Cap's shield.

---

As far as Bill being able to damage the shield, I do believe the potential is there. The fella has downed B&T Thor(who was powerful enough to two-shot Surfer), downed Kurse, shattered planets, etc. via hammer-strikes alone. A newb King Thor put a huge dent in Cap's shield with a swift uppercut-- a strike that certainly didn't seem to be packing all of his power behind it. Because of that, I personally think an argument could be made for Bill to dent it as well, IF he put every iota of energy at his disposal behind the strike. He might not leave as large of a dent as KT did, but I think he'd damage it to some extent.

...But that's neither here nor there.

Cap's has not been consistently damaged. That is an overstatement. Yes it has been damaged several times but not consistently. But each time was a phucking awe moment in comics. It may be true that G's armor has survived things greater than Cap's shield has shown to survive but also G's armor has succumb to lesser things multiple times than anything that Cap's shield succumb to. This must average out my friend.

I disagree with your King Thor Odin analogy. KT dented the shield with an awesome phucking tool. Odin isn't seen having this tool. So King Thor (with a major advantage)>>>>>>>>Odin with his bare fists. Before you go there let me say that Blast energy =/= blunt force trauma and I'm not sure Odin has feats of damaging things more durable than Cap's shield or primary adamantium.

And I agree that BRB traveling ftl speeds into the shield will dent it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, these battles actually happened off panel then?

Except when Morlun has snapped adamantium.

Morlun physically snapped primary adamantium or secondary? Although I must admit I have no clue who Morlun is and what he has done.

I like how h1 tries to throw his logic in there all casual like, like it's an absolute fact. "Remember, this logic I made up means that..."

I gotta really start using ignore like how it's meant to work.

Originally posted by h1a8
Morlun physically snapped primary adamantium or secondary? Although I must admit I have no clue who Morlun is and what he has done. Yeah, I think we're done here...

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap's has not been consistently damaged. That is an overstatement. The entire statement I made:
"The shield has consistently been damaged, or outright destroyed, by sub-Odin-level forces-- -- newb King Thor(weaker than Odin) dented the phuck out of it, Reigning King Thor(close to Odin's level, but still weaker) slagged it casually, The Serpent(weaker than Odin) shattered it like cheap glass."

That isn't an overstatement whatsoever. Any time the shield has gone up against a Skyfather-ish being, it has been obliterated. That certainly isn't a low showing, as it is hugely impressive that a man-made alloy requires forces of that magnitude to damage it. However, Galactus' armor has consistently soaked much higher level of attacks throughout his character history. That's why the armor>the shield, in terms of durability.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I like how h1 tries to throw his logic in there all casual like, like it's an absolute fact. "Remember, this logic I made up means that..."

I gotta really start using ignore like how it's meant to work.

LOL Im a math and science teacher. I can't help it.

Originally posted by h1a8
LOL Im a math and science teacher. I can't help it.

Like you could teach anyone anything. We weren't born yesterday.

Originally posted by Galan007
The entire statement I made:
"The shield has consistently been damaged, or outright destroyed, by sub-Odin-level forces-- -- newb King Thor(weaker than Odin) dented the phuck out of it, Reigning King Thor(close to Odin's level, but still weaker) slagged it casually, The Serpent(weaker than Odin) shattered it like cheap glass."

That isn't an overstatement whatsoever. Any time the shield has gone up against a Skyfather-ish being, it has been obliterated. That certainly isn't a low showing, as it is hugely impressive that a man-made alloy requires forces of that magnitude to damage it. However, Galactus' armor has consistently soaked much higher level of attacks throughout his character history. That's why the armor>the shield, in terms of durability.

I see, my mistake. But again KT with Mjolnir>>>>>Odin alone.
I disagree that Odin is physically stronger than the Serpent, I don't care if Odin beat him in the context way that he did.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I like how h1 tries to throw his logic in there all casual like, like it's an absolute fact. "Remember, this logic I made up means that..."

I gotta really start using ignore like how it's meant to work. you have to read them, though, or else you'll miss all that free jewelry he keeps droppin':

Originally posted by h1a8
I already did several posts ago. I showed that Hulk's full strength equals only a small portion of Colossus's strength.

Again, you can pinch your own skin with a very minute amount of force.
It would take Hulk almost all of his strength to pinch Colossus's skin. But Colossus can pinch his own skin very easily. So a tiny portion of his strength matches ALL of Hulk's strength. A full punch from Colossus should splatter Hulk.


.......

Retards need to learn too.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2s8jngz.gif

Was that Math or Meth?

I'm guessing the latter... seriously.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you have to read them, though, or else you'll miss all that free jewelry he keeps droppin':



....... I was talking about adamantium Colossus, not standard 616 Colossus. My point still stands.

Originally posted by h1a8
LOL Im a math and science teacher. I can't help it.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lorhvftTHi1r0ojhto1_500.gif

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you have to read them, though, or else you'll miss all that free jewelry he keeps droppin':



....... You're right, I might just take him off.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You're right, I might just take him off.

He quoted me out of context. That thread was about Adamantium Colossus, not 616 Colossus. In light of that now read my quote.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you have to read them, though, or else you'll miss all that free jewelry he keeps droppin':

I already did several posts ago. I showed that Hulk's full strength equals only a small portion of Colossus's strength.

Again, you can pinch your own skin with a very minute amount of force.
It would take Hulk almost all of his strength to pinch Colossus's skin. But Colossus can pinch his own skin very easily. So a tiny portion of his strength matches ALL of Hulk's strength. A full punch from Colossus should splatter Hulk.


....... If I drop stupid statements then you should quote them in context. Why be slick and try to hide the fact I was talking about adamantium Colossus? Is it because the quote isn't so stupid in that case?

Originally posted by h1a8
If I drop stupid statements then you should quote them in context. Why be slick and try to hide the fact I was talking about adamantium Colossus? Is it because the quote isn't so stupid in that case? Give him a detention, teach.

Originally posted by h1a8
If I drop stupid statements then you should quote them in context. Why be slick and try to hide the fact I was talking about adamantium Colossus? Is it because the quote isn't so stupid in that case? Originally posted by h1a8
Although large in size dead galaxies aren't very durable like adamantium or Juggernaut.

Originally posted by h1a8
If I drop stupid statements then you should quote them in context. Why be slick and try to hide the fact I was talking about adamantium Colossus? Is it because the quote isn't so stupid in that case? Your post makes no sense at all in context.

Plus, Colossus is usually more durable to his skin getting damaged than Hulk anyway. He's still no where near Hulk's level.
Absorbing Man can turn into adamantium or Cap's shield or whatever, he's never portrayed as supremely strong in these forms.

The whole pinching argument is beyond stupid as well.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i49.tinypic.com/2s8jngz.gif

Originally posted by h1a8
Your opponent can have the power of TOAA (minus the speed) and flash will still win.

Originally posted by h1a8
Magic is Superman's kryptonite.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Your post makes no sense at all in context.

Plus, Colossus is usually more durable to his skin getting damaged than Hulk anyway. He's still no where near Hulk's level.
Absorbing Man can turn into adamantium or Cap's shield or whatever, he's never portrayed as supremely strong in these forms.

The whole pinching argument is beyond stupid as well.
Did you even read my reply? I'm talking about Adamantium Colossus, not 616 Colossus.

Originally posted by h1a8
Did you even read my reply? I'm talking about Adamantium Colossus, not 616 Colossus. Yes, it's a really stupid argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
Did you even read my reply? I'm talking about Adamantium Colossus, not 616 Colossus. I sure did.

You didn't read mine though by the looks of it Mr Scientist.

Originally posted by h1a8
Gladiator is more skilled. And I doubt BA is stronger and more durable than Glads at his best. Hell BA has proven to be very weak against HV. Glads has HV in spades.

So again how would a flying brick beat someone who is a peer and has more powers? Originally posted by h1a8
Glads has low showings yes but that has nothing to do with him fighting at his best ability in this forum.

Fact one: Glads has displayed faster combat speed than BA
Fact two: Glads can seriously damage BA with HV. MM proved that BA is weak against it. Also Glads HV is hotter than the core of stars and have penetrated Hulk's chest to his heart organ. And if you believe in matching blasts shows being in the vicinity of someone's power (I don't) then Gladiator's HV has matched Tyrants output and PF Cyke's output.
Fact three: Currently Glads is shown to much more powerful than his average self. He went toe to toe with a being that blocked Thor's swings with a pinky.
Fact four: Glads has freeze breath that he can use to slow BA down to not only get more hits in but to be able to defend better against him.


LOL at BA being a high herald let alone a trans. He's just a flying brick who is very strong and durable. Anyone with HV or nice energy projection will uck him up.

Here's h1 focusing entirely on BA and Thor's low showings while defending Gladiator...

Instances when CA's shield was damaged or broken:

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/14735/how-was-thor-able-to-dent-captain-americas-shield

If they've not been mentioned already.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I sure did.

You didn't read mine though by the looks of it Mr Scientist.
I did read yours. I'll clarify.
I never implied stronger skin = stronger being.

He base strength off feats, not whose skin is more durable. The fact that Adamantium Colossus CAN PINCH his own skin with ease proves that he is stronger. This is a strength feat my friend, that's why I said you didn't read my reply correctly. Hulk can easily pinch 616 Colossus skin although Hulk's skin is less durable.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Here's h1 focusing entirely on BA and Thor's low showings while defending Gladiator... BA getting damaged by HV isn't a low showing. If you disagree then clearly state what feats by him contradict his being damaged by HV.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did read yours. I'll clarify.
I never implied stronger skin = stronger being.

He base strength off feats, not whose skin is more durable. The fact that Adamantium Colossus CAN PINCH his own skin with ease proves that he is stronger. This is a strength feat my friend, that's why I said you didn't read my reply correctly. Hulk can easily pinch 616 Colossus skin although Hulk's skin is less durable. Originally posted by h1a8
With a microscopic amount of my strength I can move my flesh. Similarly, If it takes a microscopic amount of Colossus' strength to move his own adamantium flesh BUT all of Hulk's strength to barely move in Colossus's adamantium flesh skin then a tiny portion of Colossus strength is far beyond Hulk's. So if Colossus hit Hulk with any significant portion of his strength Hulk would be splattered.

Now this is and if then argument. So the conclusion only follows if the premises does.

Also, you completely made up Colossus pinching his skin... so there's that as well.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Also, you completely made up Colossus pinching his skin... so there's that as well. Well that's a different story but certainly not made up. But before we go any further do you agree that if Adamantium Colossus can pinch his skin with ease then he is stronger than Hulk right?

Originally posted by h1a8
BA getting damaged by HV isn't a low showing. If you disagree then clearly state what feats by him contradict his being damaged by HV. Him taking acid rain to no effect, him taking PG's HV with no "melting", a depowered BA by quite a bit taking PG going all out's HV and only having his hair singed and emblem melted, a depowered BA getting hit by Isis' lightning without melting, etc.
Oh, and the fact that he gets hit by magic lightning all the time without his face melting off.

He was getting arrows stuck in him in the same issue... is he now weak to arrows?

But you missed the point. You talk of one low feat, or "vulnerability" of BA while completely ignoring Gladiator's completely shitty history. Might as well have said Gladiator's weakness is Gambit's cards.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well that's a different story but certainly not made up. But before we go any further do you agree that if Adamantium Colossus can pinch his skin with ease then he is stronger than Hulk right? Prove it wasn't made up.

No, that's stupid.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Him taking acid rain to no effect, him taking PG's HV with no "melting", a depowered BA by quite a bit taking PG going all out's HV and only having his hair singed and emblem melted, a depowered BA getting hit by Isis' lightning without melting, etc.
Oh, and the fact that he gets hit by magic lightning all the time without his face melting off.

He was getting arrows stuck in him in the same issue... is he now weak to arrows?

But you missed the point. You talk of one low feat, or "vulnerability" of BA while completely ignoring Gladiator's completely shitty history. Might as well have said Gladiator's weakness is Gambit's cards.

Prove it wasn't made up.

No, that's stupid.
What are the feats of Isis lightning and what are the feats of that particular kind of acid rain? But in composition HV=/=lightning nor acid rain.

The only point you have is PG's hv. But what are her feats with the hv that compares to Superman's Hv?

So if we have a block of adamantium and a character physically pinches it (deforms it) with ease then that doesn't prove strength?

Oh it wasn't made up because I said Colossus can pinch his skin, not that he was seen doing it.

Originally posted by h1a8
What are the feats of Isis lightning and what are the feats of that particular kind of acid rain? But in composition HV=/=lightning nor acid rain.

The only point you have is PG's hv. But what are her feats with the hv that compares to Superman's Hv?

So if we have a block of adamantium and a character physically pinches it (deforms it) with ease then that doesn't prove strength?

Oh it wasn't made up because I said Colossus can pinch his skin, not that he was seen doing it. What are the feats of MM's HV, H1?

But considering Isis had Shazam's power at the time... lol

It's never happened, irrelevant. Nor would it put one above Hulk's level even if happened. Adamantium Dog scan seems perfect here.

Has Adamantium Colossus ever pinched his adamantium skin?
Or did you make that up and act like it's a fact?

I can't wait to hear about this.

lol at you arguing about everything you said here though.

Originally posted by h1a8
I see, my mistake. But again KT with Mjolnir>>>>>Odin alone.
No.

This is actually one of the most incorrect statements I've seen you make.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree that Odin is physically stronger than the Serpent, I don't care if Odin beat him in the context way that he did. Disagree all you want. The Serpent himself stated he was not as powerful as Odin.

Originally posted by Galan007
Disagree all you want. The Serpent himself stated he was not as powerful as Odin. plus the fact that Odin swiftly worked him without actually merging with his brothers to form the Odinforce...

I believe:

Skyfathers > Cap Shield and Adamantium - without much problems

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What are the feats of MM's HV, H1?

But considering Isis had Shazam's power at the time... lol

It's never happened, irrelevant. Nor would it put one above Hulk's level even if happened. Adamantium Dog scan seems perfect here.

Has Adamantium Colossus ever pinched his adamantium skin?
Or did you make that up and act like it's a fact?

I can't wait to hear about this.

lol at you arguing about everything you said here though.

You got me about MM's feats with HV. But I didn't know BA resisted PG's HV. A lowball attack is when someone knows feats that are contrary yet they still argue as if it is a fact.

But I know that Superman's HV can penetrate or melt BA by feats though. I can definitely give you feats that prove it.

In composition, lightning (especially the kind that BA controls) doesn't equal hv so I can't go with that one or the acid rain.

I never said Colossus pinched his skin before. I said he can. Big difference.
Thor can lift a trailer home. That doesn't mean he has though.

I don't understand the Adamantium Dog point. I know it was stated that those dogs can crush adamantium (I'm assuming primary and not secondary since both are called adamantium in comics). But it was never shown.
So either they can't crush adamantium or it was PIS that they didn't crush Hulk or maybe they didn't get the chance to fully try to crush Hulk.

Originally posted by Galan007
No.

This is actually one of the most incorrect statements I've seen you make.

Disagree all you want. The Serpent himself stated he was not as powerful as Odin.

Odin on his best day can't decapitate Destroyer with ease. Odin hasn't shown the power to damage something durable like Cap's shield.

Where was it stated? I take statements with a grain of salt. Statements and actual feats are two different things. Odin never once showed he was physically stronger than the Serpent. Being more powerful has nothing to do with strength. Also I don't see Odin damaging Cap's shield in a forum fight. IMO, Cap's shield was nerfed in recent times, as Thor is being nerfed.

And did you see how Odin beat Serpent. Durability and output power are two different things.

Originally posted by h1a8
You got me about MM's feats with HV. But I didn't know BA resisted PG's HV. A lowball attack is when someone knows feats that are contrary yet they still argue as if it is a fact.

But I know that Superman's HV can penetrate or melt BA by feats though. I can definitely give you feats that prove it.

In composition, lightning (especially the kind that BA controls) doesn't equal hv so I can't go with that one or the acid rain.

I never said Colossus pinched his skin before. I said he can. Big difference.
Thor can lift a trailer home. That doesn't mean he has though.

I don't understand the Adamantium Dog point. I know it was stated that those dogs can crush adamantium (I'm assuming primary and not secondary since both are called adamantium in comics). But it was never shown.
So either they can't crush adamantium or it was PIS that they didn't crush Hulk or maybe they didn't get the chance to fully try to crush Hulk. Lowball is looking at the lowest Black Adam feat you can find in an attempt to up Glad's stock... and Black Adam one punched MM immediately afterwards anyway.

Irrelevant.

BA uses his lightning to fry people. Shazam used his lightning to blow Mordru apart (mind you he came back). Captain Marvel was hurting Eclipso Superman with lightning. You don't think this is more than MM's HV?
And Isis using Shazam's power was using lightning against Adam while Adam was sharing power with Billy, Mary, and Isis herself. So ya, MM's HV doing anything is PIS.

Except not only does this adamantium Colossus not exist, but he's also not shown the power to pinch his skin either. Which you're using as a fact. Which is a joke.
And this made up character can't pinch adamantium either, so there's that.

You realize you just questioned the dogs crushing adamantium while having a discussion about a made up character who you're making up feats for... don't you?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
I believe:

Skyfathers > Cap Shield and Adamantium - without much problems

Comics are inconsistent.
IMO
Galactus level beings>>>>Cap's shield>>>Skyfathers

Originally posted by h1a8
Comics are inconsistent.
IMO
Galactus level beings>>>>Cap's shield>>>Skyfathers Except comics are consistent about Skyfathers>Cap's shield.

The highest thing Cap's shield has ever tanked H1? Answer please.

Originally posted by h1a8
Odin on his best day can't decapitate Destroyer with ease. Odin hasn't shown the power to damage something durable like Cap's shield.

Where was it stated? I take statements with a grain of salt. Statements and actual feats are two different things. Odin never once showed he was physically stronger than the Serpent. Being more powerful has nothing to do with strength. Also I don't see Odin damaging Cap's shield in a forum fight. IMO, Cap's shield was nerfed in recent times, as Thor is being nerfed.

And did you see how Odin beat Serpent. Durability and output power are two different things. facepalm

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Except comics are consistent about Skyfathers>Cap's shield.

The highest thing Cap's shield has ever tanked H1? Answer please. He'll dodge that question. Every shield supporter does.

Originally posted by Galan007
facepalm

He'll dodge that question. Every shield supporter does. Woah, woah, woah. Let's not put h1 in a group.

He'll come up with something... unsuspected (to say the least)...

Maybe not as surpising as Superman vs two planets vs Galactus vs two planets as proof of... I'm not sure... but it will be surprising to say the least.

It was stated by the serpent that he wasnt powerful and strong enough to defeat Odin, and this is the same Odin before he gets the Odin-force. If King Thor can destroyed Cap shield with a eye blast and Serpent can break the cap shield with his physical strength so can Odin. H1 you nick pic to damn much, but hey it's you!!!

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Woah, woah, woah. Let's not put h1 in a group.

He'll come up with something... unsuspected (to say the least)...

Maybe not as surpising as Superman vs two planets vs Galactus vs two planets as proof of... I'm not sure... but it will be surprising to say the least.

Yeah, that sure was something...

You never know where Superman scans are needed, and a Galactus armor vs Cap's shield seemed like a perfect placement to me.

Hopefully we see him make more completely out of nowhere appearances.

It reminded me of the Johnny Cochran Wookie argument from South Park.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by h1a8
I see, my mistake. But again KT with Mjolnir>>>>>Odin alone.


Oh , this statement ^ says it all, Math and Science teacher in what reality, the Twilight Zone!?

You really dont think before you speak do you, damn why Im even asking

off hand, it "tanked" gladiator's barrage:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gladiatorvscapshield.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
It reminded me of the Johnny Cochran Wookie argument from South Park. lol

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Lowball is looking at the lowest Black Adam feat you can find in an attempt to up Glad's stock... and Black Adam one punched MM immediately afterwards anyway.

Irrelevant.

BA uses his lightning to fry people. Shazam used his lightning to blow Mordru apart (mind you he came back). Captain Marvel was hurting Eclipso Superman with lightning. You don't think this is more than MM's HV?
And Isis using Shazam's power was using lightning against Adam while Adam was sharing power with Billy, Mary, and Isis herself. So ya, MM's HV doing anything is PIS.

Except not only does this adamantium Colossus not exist, but he's also not shown the power to pinch his skin either. Which you're using as a fact. Which is a joke.
And this made up character can't pinch adamantium either, so there's that.

You realize you just questioned the dogs crushing adamantium while having a discussion about a made up character who you're making up feats for... don't you? Who is Modru? What has he done durability wise? Can Thor's lightning hurt Thor the way it hurts other beings with similar durability? NO! Isis lightning shouldn't be able to hurt BA as much as someone with equal durability.

I still don't think it's a low showing from BA since him resisting PG is a high showing. Superman could never fully resist HV being used on him. I would say it's somewhere in the middle (or average). But I didn't know of the PG feat before I said what I said. Intentions are everything.

So you are saying that we shouldn't believe Colossus can pinch his own organic skin? While he can effortlessly move and maneuver around better than a human being could? It may not be a fact as you said but it's more logical to believe in it than the contrary. There are plenty of things that can't be proven as facts in comics (especially with contradictory things) but that doesn't mean we can't use good logic and infer.

I don't fully understand the Adamantium dog point you were trying to make. So don't judge what I said until I fully know what you are trying to get at. How is that scenario relevant to the Colossus argument?

Originally posted by h1a8
Who is Modru? What has he done durability wise? Can Thor's lightning hurt Thor the way it hurts other beings with similar durability? NO! Isis lightning shouldn't be able to hurt BA as much as someone with equal durability.

I still don't think it's a low showing from BA since him resisting PG is a high showing. Superman could never fully resist HV being used on him. I would say it's somewhere in the middle (or average). But I didn't know of the PG feat before I said what I said. Intentions are everything.

So you are saying that we shouldn't believe Colossus can pinch his own organic skin? While he can effortlessly move and maneuver around better than a human being could? It may not be a fact as you said but it's more logical to believe in it than the contrary. There are plenty of things that can't be proven as facts in comics (especially with contradictory things) but that doesn't mean we can't use good logic and infer.

I don't fully understand the Adamantium dog point you were trying to make. So don't judge what I said until I fully know what you are trying to get at. How is that scenario relevant to the Colossus argument? I don't even want to get into another "You know nothing, yet you keep arguing" debate with you about Mordru, so please just use Google.

Thor's lightning has knocked him out a couple times...

Isis had the Wizard Shazam's power in her, along with BA's power, along with BA being weakened... so no.
Plus, Adam was smoking afterwards, yet no melting.

You don't even know anything about PG's HV, yet you call it a high showing? See there's a reason you were on ignore, and I really don't like arguing with someone when they're wrong all the time.

Why would he be able to pinch himself? Why would pinching himself even be brought up in the first place? He's made of solid metal... it takes a special mind to even think about pinching. God this is stupid.
Also, with the moving around shit, we get back to Absorbing Man being able to turn into Cap's shield. Yet he is never any stronger than Hulk, ever. If you want to say he's stronger because he's more durable than just say it. Don't make up a feat for him in the dumbest way possible, and try to act like it's a fact.

Because the Dogs were able to crush adamantium and Hulk was vastly stronger than them to a point where he was able to not only overpower their jaws, but break them as well.

I'm done with this. This is beyond dumb.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Except comics are consistent about Skyfathers>Cap's shield.

The highest thing Cap's shield has ever tanked H1? Answer please.

Well the argument is still not sound since we have only two skyfathers damaged the shield. That's not enough as to say all skyfathers can do it. IMO KT had greater power penetration output than Odin. He decapitated destroyer. This is something Odin can't do with his own power. Also I don't think Odin could damage Cap's shield at all.

Krona, Thor's hammer blows, Hulk hits, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well the argument is still not sound since we have only two skyfathers damaged the shield. That's not enough as to say all skyfathers can do it. IMO KT had greater power penetration output than Odin. He decapitated destroyer. This is something Odin can't do with his own power. Also I don't think Odin could damage Cap's shield at all.

Krona, Thor's hammer blows, Hulk hits, etc. When King Thor did it, he was new to the power. And when he did it the other time, he was still shitty, and it was with eyeblasts that he completely blew through it.
He never did it with a hammer throw, and that hammer throw was at the absolute height of his powers. Zelia with Odin's power (and other Dark Gods) almost destroyed the Destroyer armor with an outburst.
Molecule Man also broke the shield when he was a pussy.
Actually, simpler than that, the Serpent broke the shield... there, done.


Krona isn't even canon. Thor's hammer blows or Hulk's hits aren't skyfather.

Also, do you not realize that Odin is the one who enchanted the hammer or something... or he can turn the Destroyer armor off with a wave? Why would he want to destroy something he can so easily control?

h1, please... Just stop.

It's already been proven that Galactus' armor has been consistently portrayed as FAR more durable than Cap's shield. Get over it. Stop arguing just to argue.

So far h1 has made you all look like fools.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't even want to get into another "You know nothing, yet you keep arguing" debate with you about Mordru, so please just use Google.

Thor's lightning has knocked him out a couple times...

Isis had the Wizard Shazam's power in her, along with BA's power, along with BA being weakened... so no.
Plus, Adam was smoking afterwards, yet no melting.

You don't even know anything about PG's HV, yet you call it a high showing? See there's a reason you were on ignore, and I really don't like arguing with someone when they're wrong all the time. Well obviously PG's hv is powerful otherwise you wouldn't bring it up to show that MM melting him is a low showing. What are you trying to do exactly? Make up your mind.



Because it makes sense to be able to pinch yourself, you are an organic human like being moving fluidly. Yes I'm special so what? I think of the darnest things and that's what I like about myself. It prevents me from being a follower robot or the same as everyone else. It sets me apart and allows me to know I'm actually alive and not a program.

Can AM pinch himself? If he can then that proves he is stronger than Hulk.

Why were the dogs able to crush adamantium? Because it was stated or shown or both? What type of adamantium, secondary or primary? Also Dogs have teeth which make it easier to penetrate things with. Remember P=F/A
So with the pin point area of their teeth they would need hundreds of times less force to get the same pressure as a fist or hand crushing adamantium. So Hulk overpowered their jaws, not teeth. They were not solid but built with joints and parts. Hulk broke them through their joints. He didn't break the adamantium itself.

It's not dumb. If someone can physically dent or pinch Adamantium then how does that not prove strength?

Originally posted by Galan007
h1, please... Just stop.

It's already been proven that Galactus' armor has been consistently portrayed as FAR more durable than Cap's shield. Get over it. Stop arguing just to argue. No it hasn't. It's got damaged by things less that anything that damaged Cap's shield. So it averages out. Also in many fights Galactus had the comic never showed G tanking a hit or blast without damage to him.

The only beings shown to damage it was KT and Serpent. If we base things off feats then according to those feats Serpent is physically stronger than all skyfathers and KT has higher penetration power than all skyfathers.

So again, the implication that is X can do Y then Z is weaker than W is faulty since it implies without proof who has more powerful output or whose stronger.

Originally posted by h1a8
No it hasn't. It's got damaged by things less that anything that damaged Cap's shield. So it averages out. Also in many fights Galactus had the comic never showed G tanking a hit or blast without damage to him.

The only beings shown to damage it was KT and Serpent. If we base things off feats then according to those feats Serpent is physically stronger than all skyfathers and KT has higher penetration power than all skyfathers.

So again, the implication that is X can do Y then Z is weaker than W is faulty since it implies without proof who has more powerful output or whose stronger. I really want to report you for trolling.

Originally posted by Galan007
h1, please... Just stop.

It's already been proven that Galactus' armor has been consistently portrayed as FAR more durable than Cap's shield. Get over it. Stop arguing just to argue.

He's arguing just to be arguing!!!

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I really want to report you for trolling.

Trolling is saying false things knowingly.
We use feats to prove things right?

What feats does any other skyfather have that shows them able to destroy Cap's shield with a blast? What feats of strength does any other skyfather have that proves they can break Cap's shield in pieces? Trolling is actually saying the contrary without proof.

I never seen AM when he absorbed Cap's shield. How do you know Hulk was stronger? Isn't AM stronger than normal when he absorbs his steel ball?

Two pages is all I could handle. Back to ignore.

Originally posted by Mindset
So far h1 has made you all look like fools.
God, I hate you.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Two pages is all I could handle. Back to ignore.
He's not trolling though. He actually believes what he's typing.

Originally posted by zopzop
God, I hate you.

He's not trolling though. He actually believes what he's typing. Whether he believes it or not, it's still trolling...

There is some amazing logic being displayed in this thread.

Six pages. Six pages of glorious debating.

Three pages were h1... no one knows what happened in those pages

It's where God went to die.

Originally posted by Galan007
Whether he believes it or not, it's still trolling...

trolling is intentional. Look up the definition. I don't say what I say to invoke emotion in people. With every post I make, I believe all would understand my logic and agree with me.

I believe in what I say and I use the truth as I know it to convince.
Not only did I not say anything false but many here say false things and some say things that are neither false nor true (their opinion).

The thing about debating is not criticizing others about their arguments but actually showing the weakness of their argument and debating the right way. Bran was on point until he was getting personal. My logic is sound until proven otherwise. Just prove me wrong. Cut my argument to pieces. I assure you some have succeeded and earned my respect and made me concede nicely.
Don't do personal attacks. Especially knowing I believe 100% in what I'm saying.


In all fairness no one can actually prove whether or not Cap's shield is more durable since neither ever existed and both have high and low contradictory showings. It is subjective of how much from each showing we use in the weighing to determine a decision.

So it is matter of educated opinion, nothing more. There is no trolling here.
Trolling is purposely deceiving, saying things to purposely invoke bad emotion, etc.

Again,

Cap's shield is more durable since it has withstood attacks from beings or levels that was able to damage Galactus armor.

I know Galactus has faced beings that exceed what the shield has taken. But most of those fights didn't involve showing the reader Galactus tanking hits without his armor being damage. Galactus has the ability to instantly repair his armor. We can only speculate on what the writer thought how Galactus fared as being damaged during (not after) the fights he had.

Lastly, blunt force trauma isn't the same as energy projection. Shield is definitely more durable against hits but against blasts then it more plausible for either.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Three pages were h1... no one knows what happened in those pages It was actually a decent discussion until he popped in... abhil came out looking good, actually.