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Superman
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Captain Marvel
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Mr. Majestic
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Mon-El
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Supergirl
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Black Adam
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Wonder Woman
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vs

Sentry
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Gladiator
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Hyperion
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Hulk
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Blue Marvel
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Wonder Man
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Hercules
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One sided in favor of DC.

You overrate DC sometime, Jake. It's no stomp, especially with Blue Marvel and Sentry, not to mention Wonder Man has gotten the best of Thor, but I guess everyone gets the best of Thor.

Bob Sentry?

Originally posted by Golgo13
You overrate DC sometime, Jake. It's no stomp, especially with Blue Marvel and Sentry, not to mention Wonder Man has gotten the best of Thor, but I guess everyone gets the best of Thor.

lol that first sentence is rich.

When did Simon get the best of Thor? His first appearance had him physically knock Thor over, but he was unharmed. Bendis' recent Simon had him sucker punch Thor. Unless you're recalling feats I've never seen or heard of, Simon is and always has been inferior to Thor.

Everyone on Team DC has flight and superspeed and generally better feats than Team Marvel. Hulk can make things interesting if he goes Worldbreaker and Sentry if he's at his best levels can make things interesting as well, but Hyperion and Simon and Gladiator can't compete with most of the people on DC.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol that first sentence is rich.

When did Simon get the best of Thor? His first appearance had him physically knock Thor over, but he was unharmed. Bendis' recent Simon had him sucker punch Thor. Unless you're recalling feats I've never seen or heard of, Simon is and always has been inferior to Thor.

Everyone on Team DC has flight and superspeed and generally better feats than Team Marvel. Hulk can make things interesting if he goes Worldbreaker and Sentry if he's at his best levels can make things interesting as well, but Hyperion and Simon and Gladiator can't compete with most of the people on DC.

I can't tell the writer, or the exact time frame, but there was a run in AVENGERS during the early 90's, I wanna say shortly before the West Coast branch started, where Wonder Man was shown as at least a physical equal, I think also superior, to Thor. But it has been about a decade since I've read the comics.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I can't tell the writer, or the exact time frame, but there was a run in AVENGERS during the early 90's, I wanna say shortly before the West Coast branch started, where Wonder Man was shown as at least a physical equal, I think also superior, to Thor. But it has been about a decade since I've read the comics.

If true, then that's the definite minority and so far out of the norm for Simon as well as being his best showing ever when compared directly to Thor. It's been stated and shown - numerous times - that when push comes to shove Simon is inferior to Thor. The most telling example is when Simon tries to lift weights designed for Thor and eloquently states "I'm no Thor" before dropping them.

In any case, it would be silly to use a one time example as evidence to suggest that Simon is on that level, let alone above it.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If true, then that's the definite minority and so far out of the norm for Simon as well as being his best showing ever when compared directly to Thor. It's been stated and shown - numerous times - that when push comes to shove Simon is inferior to Thor. The most telling example is when Simon tries to lift weights designed for Thor and eloquently states "I'm no Thor" before dropping them.

In any case, it would be silly to use a one time example as evidence to suggest that Simon is on that level, let alone above it.

Wasn't disputing it being in the minority, just pointing-out there was a period where Simon wasn't the inferior, and was at least arguably the superior(well, physically at least).

Originally posted by Delta1938
Wasn't disputing it being in the minority, just pointing-out there was a period where Simon wasn't the inferior, and was at least arguably the superior(well, physically at least).

Personally have a hard time believing that and if it did happen, I have no reason why it shouldn't be considered PIS considering the overwhelming vast majority of showings contradicting a claim.

If you did have issue numbers, that would be great, though.

Didn't WM take down Thor in Bendis's run, too, or am I thinking of someone else?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't WM take down Thor in Bendis's run, too, or am I thinking of someone else?

He bull rushed him and knocked him over while Thor was trying to talk him down, iirc.

That in of itself in no means makes Simon >= Thor. Certainly not in the grand scheme of things when feats and overall portrayal are taken into account.

I never said Simon was equal or greater than Thor, but he can hang with say Supergirl for a while, maybe even get a split. If he's on his game, of course.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I never said Simon was equal or greater than Thor, but he can hang with say Supergirl for a while, maybe even get a split. If he's on his game, of course.

You brought up Simon getting the better of Thor, which outside of a sucker attack and knocking him over back in his villainous days - and apparently some WCA issue where he was alluded to being superior to Thor - doesn't mean much in this thread against opponents of this caliber. He can hang with Kara as in not get beaten outright right away. Kara's literally the only person I see Simon feasibly beating, and not for the majority, either.

I guess Thor should have used his ftl reflexes, huh.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Personally have a hard time believing that and if it did happen, I have no reason why it shouldn't be considered PIS considering the overwhelming vast majority of showings contradicting a claim.

If you did have issue numbers, that would be great, though.

It was one writer's opinion for the two. If I feel up to it, I'll look for them later today, but probably won't feel up to digging through them all. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, I was just pointing-out there was a period you were unaware of.

Sneak attack is still a sneak attack.

Pretty telling that Simon's best showings against Thor was when he debuted as a villain (and didn't even hurt Thor) and when he was breaking down and attacked Thor who was trying to help him. Personally, given the potential of ionic energy, Simon should be top tier, but he's always been 2nd to Thor in terms of Avenger powerhouses.

Anyway, Superman, Majestic, Captain Marvel, and Black Adam can beat anyone on Team 2 for the majority, barring Sentry wigging out or something.

Originally posted by Delta1938
It was one writer's opinion for the two. If I feel up to it, I'll look for them later today, but probably won't feel up to digging through them all. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, I was just pointing-out there was a period you were unaware of.

It's still, if accurate, a way off base and nonsensical stance for a writer to take given their overall history among various writers. If it happened as you described, then it's canon, but canonical events and showings don't preclude things from being PIS if it is.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's still, if accurate, a way off base and nonsensical stance for a writer to take given their overall history among various writers. If it happened as you described, then it's canon, but canonical events and showings don't preclude things from being PIS if it is.

It feels like you have the need to argue even though I never disputed it's in the minority, simply pointing-out a period you were ignorant of.

Originally posted by Delta1938
It feels like you have the need to argue even though I never disputed it's in the minority, simply pointing-out a period you were ignorant of.

Not really arguing it. Just pointing out that if you do happen to be correct - which no one has verified or not - it doesn't really matter and is a moot point, anyway.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not really arguing it. Just pointing out that if you do happen to be correct - which no one has verified or not - it doesn't really matter and is a moot point, anyway.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Wasn't disputing it being in the minority, just pointing-out there was a period where Simon wasn't the inferior, and was at least arguably the superior(well, physically at least).

Originally posted by Delta1938
It was one writer's opinion for the two. If I feel up to it, I'll look for them later today, but probably won't feel up to digging through them all. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, I was just pointing-out there was a period you were unaware of.

Maybe you don't intend it to be, but in practice, it sure comes-out as arguing for the sake of arguing when there's nothing to argue about.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Maybe you don't intend it to be, but in practice, it sure comes-out as arguing for the sake of arguing when there's nothing to argue about.

Okay.

2 characters on Marvel side that can't fly. What're they gonna do? Wave some pompoms around while the REAL heralds-levelers duke it out?

Easy stomp for DC side.

Wonder man is a weak link, plus two grounded bricks equals a big advantage in DC's favour before the bell has even rung. DC bricks win it.

Pretty severe stomp for DC side... (are these true "bricks"?)

Englehart pushed simon hard. He was the same who wrote the scene where thor needed mjolnir to beat simon. Later defalco nerfed him and now he's practically useless getting koed by goblin bombs, a brick by ares and had his ass handed to him by namor even after ares was helping him. In his own series he stalemated merged hulk in slugfest IIRC, now Fixit oneshots him.

Typical Prep-Man thread= moderately power Marvel characters against overpowered DC characters.

Hulk (who can pull a high majority against anyone on the opposing team), Gladiator, and Sentry can't do everything, especially with bfring on. Team 1 win...spite thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk (who can pull a high majority against anyone on the opposing team), Gladiator, and Sentry can't do everything, especially with bfring on. Team 1 win...spite thread.

No, Hulk cannot, Carv. Sorry buddy, but this is the real world. You have to wake-up and realize you're wrong.

LoL@Carv's campaign.

On topic...what an epic stomp.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Pretty severe stomp for DC side... (are these true "bricks"?) With exception of Hulk and Herc I wouldn't call any of them, Bricks.

To me most of the guys are the standard Superman set, which I often refer to as brawler characters, or this league Super brawlers.

Brawler type character possessing Super-Strength, Super-Speed, Durability, often one form of energy attack or more, and Flight

And DC for the win

Originally posted by Delta1938
No, Hulk cannot, Carv. Sorry buddy, but this is the real world. You have to wake-up and realize you're wrong.


Once you realize Hulk treat Heralds like a step child, holla at me. You are clearly ignoring his fts.

Originally posted by carver9
Once you realize Hulk treat Heralds like a step child, holla at me. You are clearly ignoring his fts.
Who are these heralds carv? Nobody is ignoring his feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who are these heralds carv? Nobody is ignoring his feats.

Stay out of this. We already know what's flying through your mind right now.

Cool picture of Gladiator.

Originally posted by Newjak
With exception of Hulk and Herc I wouldn't call any of them, Bricks.

To me most of the guys are the standard Superman set, which I often refer to as brawler characters, or this league Super brawlers.

Brawler type character possessing Super-Strength, Super-Speed, Durability, often one form of energy attack or more, and Flight

And DC for the win

Agreed. I usually think of guys like Hulk, Thing, Juggernaut, etc when I think of Bricks.

And yeah, this thread is ridiculously one-sided in favor of DC.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Agreed. I usually think of guys like Hulk, Thing, Juggernaut, etc when I think of Bricks.


You forgot Doomsday, Despero, and Konvikt.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Agreed. I usually think of guys like Hulk, Thing, Juggernaut, etc when I think of Bricks. Yeah or Doosmday minus a few random adaptations, Rhino, the General from DC.

Originally posted by carver9
You forgot Doomsday, Despero, and Konvikt.

It wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list.

How are these guys bricks? All of them can fly besides Hulk and Hercules

Originally posted by carver9
Once you realize Hulk treat Heralds like a step child, holla at me. You are clearly ignoring his fts.

Carv, you're not one to accuse others of ignoring feats. And watch it, there's only so long before I start calling you "Carter" again.