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Essence
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Frankenstein
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Deathstroke
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Warblade
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Karate Kid
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Grifter
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Midnighter
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vs

Wolverine
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Iron Fist
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Psylocke
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John Steele
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Venom
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Gorgon
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Prince of Orphans
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PoO is capable if soloing for atleast 1/10

I think team 2

IMO gorgon solos the 1/2 of the team,

Why, on this board, is Iron First even used in threads anymore...

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why, on this board, is Iron First even used in threads anymore... why shouldnt he be used?

Kinda unfair with PoO. How will they put him down?

Originally posted by Starscream M
why shouldnt he be used?

Because his team auto-wins.

Kind of like how putting Guy Gardner in to a thread works.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Kinda unfair with PoO. How will they put him down?

What can POO do that Essence can't? You can say the same about Essence and Warblade as well.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
PoO is capable if soloing for atleast 1/10

I think team 2

POO vs Essence would be an awesome battle, but Essence is a bit more powerful. Warblade would well along with Franky and Val, so don't forget those.

Good fight.

Iron Fist wins 10/10

Jake take that somewhere else.

Originally posted by Golgo13
POO vs Essence would be an awesome battle, but Essence is a bit more powerful. Warblade would well along with Franky and Val, so don't forget those.

Essense has been affect a few times with energy based attacks in her smoke form, and Jason even managed to stab her once. What makes you think she is more powerful than Aman? That seems like a pretty baseless claim considering what he has done.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Essense has been affect a few times with energy based attacks in her smoke form, and Jason even managed to stab her once. What makes you think she is more powerful than Aman? That seems like a pretty baseless claim considering what he has done.

Jason stabbed her and it just slowed her down, she can't be killed by any man made weapon and is immortal, plus she didn't really want to kill Jason. Did you read the backup? She had to be BFR by an alien weapon to be defeated.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Jason stabbed her and it just slowed her down, she can't be killed by any man made weapon and is immortal, plus she didn't really want to kill Jason. Did you read the backup? She had to be BFR by an alien weapon to be defeated.

She was clearly injured by the stabbing before she when into her shadow / mist form, which would suggest it is possible to kill her if you act fast enough and catch her solid.

Red Hood bfr'd her in the actual issue, not the back up.

I know, I didn't mean the backup, but in the backup, she was apparently destroyed or killed by the artifact, yet she came back. She held off a team consisting of Starfire, Roy, and Jason. Hell, even Roy got some good shots in, yet she laughed it off, IIRC. I don't see POO defeating those 3. If Essence was serious, she probably would have killed Jason easily.

I'm surprised she didn't go invisible on them. Because she has that power.

Oh, by the way, wasn't she stabbed by the same knife that killed the Others or whatever their name's are. That blade has magical properties and is sort of their krypronite. POO won't have that.

Obviously KK wins

Ok, I looked at the issue again. Essence was stabbed by the All-Blade a blade that slayed the Untitled. She of course was affected by it, but once she got SERIOUS, she destroyed the blade with her smoke like a twig, easily caught Jason's bullets, EASILY took Starfire's blasts and Roy's arrows. After that Jason BFR with alien technology.

Essence is a beast.

POO won't have that blade, so no man made weapon will harm her.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I know, I didn't mean the backup, but in the backup, she was apparently destroyed or killed by the artifact, yet she came back. She held off a team consisting of Starfire, Roy, and Jason. Hell, even Roy got some good shots in, yet she laughed it off, IIRC. I don't see POO defeating those 3. If Essence was serious, she probably would have killed Jason easily.

I'm surprised she didn't go invisible on them. Because she has that power.

You don't think PoO could beat Jason, Roy and Starfire? LMAO. The only person that has had any effect on him is Silver Surfer. He was owning Iron Fist, Strange, Red She-Hulk and Black Cat.

In the back up see said that the artifact was corrupted and little more than "sound and fury, signifying nothing." It's true that Jason stabbed her with the All-Blade, but they seem to need his blood to function (which they didn't have in that case), and they are supposed to only be used against pure evil... which also wasn't the case. Who can say what effect they would have on Essence outside of that of a normal blade.

The All blade is no normal blade. Who's to say POO won't go down with one of Starfire's blasts?

Originally posted by Golgo13
The All blade is no normal blade. Who's to say POO won't go down with one of Starfire's blasts?

It has criteria that needs to be place for it to preform, criteria that was not in place during this particular instance. /shrug

PoO has tanked blasts from Silver Surfer. He would merc DCnU Starfire. lol

Either way, once Essence was serious, she owned Jason. She didn't go to Jason to outright kill him, so in a battle scenario, the instance is moot. Whether or not the blade had magical properties or not. She outright stated that no weapon could KILL her.

She was in the heart of Trigon for YEARS, or whatver that means, so she is very powerful.

I'd still go with Essence, because she also rendered those guys into skeletons with a thought. I don't see POO surviving that.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Either way, once Essence was serious, she owned Jason. She didn't go to Jason to outright kill him, so in a battle scenario, the instance is moot. Whether or not the blade had magical properties or not. She outright stated that no weapon could KILL her.

She was in the heart of Trigon for YEARS, or whatver that means, so she is very powerful.

I'd still go with Essence, because she also rendered those guys into skeletons with a thought. I don't see POO surviving that.

I don't believe her. She was clearly injured, if Jason looped off her head instead of stabbing her, that probably would have done the trick.

PoO has been reduced to a pile of goo and spit into a volcano and he was fine. Essence doesn't have shit on Aman.

She was INJURED not KILLED. She said no weapon can kill her. She can also heal as well, so the attack only slowed her down.

Originally posted by Golgo13
She was INJURED not KILLED. She said no weapon can kill her. She can also heal as well, so the attack only slowed her down.

She was injured and needed to go smoke to heal. If her head got lopped off before she could mist up, nothing she has done suggests she could survive that.

There is nothing to suggest that she would be killed. And she would probably just turn to smoke.

Originally posted by Golgo13
There is nothing to suggest that she would be killed. And she would probably just turn to smoke.

She was injured by the stabbing, which shows she can be caught in solid form if the attacker is quick enough, and she didn't immediately go smoke after, which shows there needs to be a conscious decision to do so. If some lobbed her head off, she'd probably just be dead.

Not injured enough and she didn't expect Jason to do that. In a forum battle that's irrelevant. She could just turn invisible and use her smoke to hold POO.

Plus in the backup, she has some type of power where she can send people to hell or something to that. And they get reduced to a SKELETON. POO has nothing on Essence.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Not injured enough and she didn't expect Jason to do that. In a forum battle that's irrelevant. She could just turn invisible and use her smoke to hold POO.

Plus in the backup, she has some type of power where she can send people to hell or something to that. And they get reduced to a SKELETON. POO has nothing on Essence.

She was injured, which in and off itself is a enough. Even in his solid form PoO has tanked impalement like it is nothing more than once. Essence has shown that she can be injured through conventional means, PoO has not.

She's going to use smoke... to contain PoO... who is also smoke? Come on buddy.

I think her smoke just burnt those dudes up. That's the impression I got at least. That's nothing game changing.

Nothing she has done puts her on PoO level.

No, they were sent somewhere, because of their sins. She did say she was captured in the heart of Trigon, so I am guessing that's where she gets some of her power. She's immortal until proven otherwise.

Originally posted by Golgo13
No, they were sent somewhere, because of their sins. She did say she was captured in the heart of Trigon, so I am guessing that's where she gets some of her power. She's immortal until proven otherwise.

Maybe, but that's not how I read it. I thought it was just flower prose, the equivalent of any other character saying they will send someone to hell before killing them, but we'll see sooner or later I imagine.

Sorry buddy, you are going to need something better than a no limits fallacy to prove her immortally is anything more than long life.

Her tanking Starfire's blasts is uber, IMO, and Starfire was easily melting metal with just her presence alone. If you don't find that impressive than I can't help you. IIRC, she didn't even go into mist form, so that proves her durability. Whether or not she is immortal. I'll take her word for it.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Her tanking Starfire's blasts is uber, IMO, and Starfire was easily melting metal with just her presence alone. If you don't find that impressive than I can't help you. IIRC, she didn't even go into mist form, so that proves her durability. Whether or not she is immortal. I'll take her word for it.

Pretty sure the blast went right through her, she can be intangible but still maintain the guise of her humanoid form, as you can see when Roy shots his arrows at her.

Hard to tell. Essence boasted that Starfire's blasts meant nothing. The arrow looked like it pierced her as well, but I can see where you got intangibility. Never once was it mentioned that she had intangibilty, but she could. Makes getting her head cut off that much harder.

Known powers are:
Invisibility
healing though smoke powers
possible immortality
Smoke that potentially burns people, but smoke isn't hot.

Sorry Prince of Orphans is more impressive than some obscure possibly immortal gimp

Originally posted by iceman24567
Sorry Prince of Orphans is more impressive than some obscure possibly immortal gimp

POO was once obscure Lobdell wants to write a Essence/Jason Todd mini and what all they learned at their training. I say go for it.