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hmm, Helspont looks almost as tough as Annihilus. hmm

Helspont has grown a bit in power since his earlier Image days. Swatting Superman aside like a bug, and giving him a concussion in one shot was quite the feat, I think he has a good shot at taking this.

Originally posted by Stoic
Helspont has grown a bit in power since his earlier Image days. Swatting Superman aside like a bug, and giving him a concussion in one shot was quite the feat, I think he has a good shot at taking this.

Well, WS Helspont fought Majestic.

Annihilus wins

Has Annihilus fought off possession?

Originally posted by Golgo13
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/hls.jpg Captain Atom must have been off-planet when Helspont told Supes he was the most powerful being on earth.

CA would push 'spont's shit in.

Originally posted by Galan007
Captain Atom must have been off-planet when Helspont told Supes he was the most powerful being on earth.

CA would push 'spont's shit in.

Didn't even think of that. BTW, one of Helspont's minions was powered up by a FRACTION of Helspont's power and she wiped the floor with Martian Manhunter. Helspont is packing some serious power and is being pushed in the DCnU.

Firestorm would also push Superman's shit in.

Idk if this is a different helspont but didn'
t griter go toe to toe with helspont and actually do good? And isnt grifter like mid meta at best?

Like I say helspont smack supes like a ***** but how did grifter was able to hang with helspont much less even hurt him?


Sorry if im mistaken different people.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Idk if this is a different helspont but didn'
t griter go toe to toe with helspont and actually do good? And isnt grifter like mid meta at best?

Like I say helspont smack supes like a ***** but how did grifter was able to hang with helspont much less even hurt him?


Sorry if im mistaken different people.

Cole is just that good.

Originally posted by Stoic
Cole is just that good.

seriously?

Nah Grifters tk seems to be legit herald level also a pissed off Helspont couldn't put Superman down they pretty much stalemated

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah Grifters tk seems to be legit herald level also a pissed off Helspont couldn't put Superman down they pretty much stalemated

Well shit... Grifter TK is ****ing insane. Hmmm... Wonder him v.s. Superboy would be a good fight in their DCnU forms.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Well shit... Grifter TK is ****ing insane. Hmmm... Wonder him v.s. Superboy would be a good fight in their DCnU forms. Don't know it looks like Grifter can only go all out for a limited time

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Idk if this is a different helspont but didn'
t griter go toe to toe with helspont and actually do good? And isnt grifter like mid meta at best?

Like I say helspont smack supes like a ***** but how did grifter was able to hang with helspont much less even hurt him?


Sorry if im mistaken different people.

Not really. Helspont was playing with Grifter. Grifter didn't actually KO him or anything, but in result, Grifter now knows some of his limits, which is good.

Carver says Grifter is the strongest in Dcnu. So I think your wrong Golgo

Most powerful mercenary, sure.

annihilus

Originally posted by guy222
annihilus

You think Annihilus is more powerful than the Blue Flame?>

Helspont one-shot Superman with a blast when they first met, and backhanded him from the Earth to the Moon, casually, into unconsciousness, the second time, both times calling him the most powerful being on Earth, just to make a point.

One of his 'heralds' with a very small part of his power was powerful enough to one-shot Martian Manhunter, who is a beast in the DCnU.

He'd push Annihilus' shit in, hard.

Annihilus never really impressed me as much as the new Helspont. His period in the lime-light in annihilation was just dissapointing.

Gonna vouch for Helspont here.

Originally posted by Stoic
Helspont has grown a bit in power since his earlier Image days. Swatting Superman aside like a bug, and giving him a concussion in one shot was quite the feat, I think he has a good shot at taking this.


Grifter DESTROYED Spont though. I can't see Grifter doing that to Annihilus.

Originally posted by carver9
Grifter DESTROYED Spont though. I can't see Grifter doing that to Annihilus.

Read above. He didn't.

@Prepman...

I disagree.

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He didn't actually beat Helspont just showed he was a threat and could hurt him. Which just means that Grifter is powerful not that Helspont is weak.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
He didn't actually beat Helspont just showed he was a threat and could hurt him. Which just means that Grifter is powerful not that Helspont is weak.

I agree. Grifter was owning him though, he even sensed fear from Helspont. If the fight would have continued, HS would have lost. It even appeared as if Grif wasn't going all out.

It was Helspont's plan all along. It was sort of a chess game, so he didn't really beat him.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree. Grifter was owning him though, he even sensed fear from Helspont. If the fight would have continued, HS would have lost. It even appeared as if Grif wasn't going all out.

Actually the scans show the contrary. Hellspot tested Grifter and when Grifter reached his limits and saw that he can't win he run away.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Actually the scans show the contrary. Hellspot tested Grifter and when Grifter reached his limits and saw that he can't win he run away.


Whhhhaaaat iiiinnn the heeeeelll.?

Hey, I thought you were going to change your avatar?! Hulk ripping Prime? LIAR!

Originally posted by Golgo13
Hey, I thought you were going to change your avatar?! Hulk ripping Prime? LIAR!

Lol...Cosmic is still making it for me.

I'll be waiting...

Originally posted by Galan007
Captain Atom must have been off-planet when Helspont told Supes he was the most powerful being on earth.

CA would push 'spont's shit in. Is this for real? i am a few weeks behind in my reading, but is this for real?

Originally posted by Diesldude
Is this for real? i am a few weeks behind in my reading, but is this for real?


Is what for real?

Originally posted by carver9
Whhhhaaaat iiiinnn the heeeeelll.? Grifter would shitstomp WBH, and Hellspot is even beyond them both

you are starting to make sense.

Sensing Hellsponts Fear by
>Giving his best shot, and failing.
>Getting lectured on how insignificant his powers are before him.
>Runs for dear life.


mhmm

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
you are starting to make sense.

I just don't get it. Why do you keep bringing up Hulk when you know Superman is my favorite character. I'm abhi junior.

Originally posted by carver9
Is what for real? the way he handled superman. punched him from the earth to the moon and gave him a concussion.

Originally posted by carver9
I just don't get it. Why do you keep bringing up Hulk when you know Superman is my favorite character. I'm abhi junior.

You are Galan junior if anything at all. And lowballing a char through the years doesn't makes you a fan of said char

Annihilus wins.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You are Galan junior if anything at all. Y me?

^because carver's almost as cool as you?

Carver is also a hipster?

When I think of carver I'm always thinking he's just like his e-baby daddy Galan. Except darker

oh you...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Carver is also a hipster?

When I think of carver I'm always thinking he's just like his e-baby daddy Galan. Except darker

carver is galan's e-love child?? i always thought he was secretly pr's. huh. who knew. galan must be so proud.....

Meh, he's more like a kid I adopted from Haiti for $30, a bag of weed, and some blue jeans. /shrug

Lol

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, he's more like a kid I adopted from Haiti for $30, a bag of weed, and some blue jeans. /shrug

did you smoke it all? are there holes in the jeans? i only ask because it might not be too late to return him....

I lost the receipt, so I'm phucked anyway.

Lmfao

I wonder if the Blue Flame Helspont has or is after is in relation to the blue flame Paul Levitz introduced in his Legion run right before the DCnU hit. Either way, I think Helspont is a notch above Annihilus.

meh. that's life.

helspont wins.

I swear DC stuff reads like "1upper" guy sometimes.

Marvel: Annihius is so powerful that he knocked out Nova Prime and Quasar with a casual backhand slap!

DC: Oh yeah?! Well Helspont is so powerful that he knocked Superman from the moon to Earth with a casual backhand sneer

^ I'd take Quasar and Nova over DCnU Superman (let alone DCnU Grifter) in a fight.

I'd be surprised if anybody disagreed.

Originally posted by dmills
I swear DC stuff reads like "1upper" guy sometimes.

Marvel: Annihius is so powerful that he knocked out Nova Prime and Quasar with a casual backhand slap!

DC: Oh yeah?! Well Helspont is so powerful that he knocked Superman from the moon to Earth with a casual backhand sneer

1 upper? SQ W/Blue Flame.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/80137/1950671-legion2_large.jpg

@ prep,
A one upper is somebody who, no matter what story you tell, he's got one that tops it.

Originally posted by ODG
^ I'd take Quasar and Nova over DCnU Superman (let alone DCnU Grifter) in a fight.

I'd be surprised if anybody disagreed.

I wouldn't think so, but I dropped Supes' book before Giffen and co were slated to take over so I've no idea if they've upped his game or not. The only DCnU stuff I still get is Blue Beetle and Animal Man.

Nova>>>Reboot Superman.

Originally posted by dmills
I wouldn't think so, but I dropped Supes' book before Giffen and co were slated to take over so I've no idea if they've upped his game or not. The only DCnU stuff I still get is Blue Beetle and Animal Man. Superman currently has more than enough appearances to have established that he's done nothing to suggest he can take on Quasar and Nova simultaneously, much less wreck them to kibbles and bits like Annihilus did.

And from the OP's scan, this is Annihilus with Q-Bands. Helspont beating down Superman isn't elevating him up to Annihilus' level especially not after seeing how he fared against Grifter right afterwards.

Grifter has yet to reach his full potential, which is what Helspont wanted. He didn't really beat Helspont one on one.

Originally posted by Galan007
Y me?

Time, Place? uhuh

Originally posted by Golgo13
Grifter has yet to reach his full potential, which is what Helspont wanted. He didn't really beat Helspont one on one. Helspont only admitted underestimating Cole, "Now I know what I'm dealing with." There's nothing to suggest that Helspont wanted to get thrown around, toppled and hurt by Grifter. Grifter's instincts about how afraid Helspont was of Cole are far more on-point considering that in the prior issue, Helspont's enraged with his seers that the "Chosen One" always wins per prophecy.

Originally posted by ODG
Helspont only admitted underestimating Cole, "Now I know what I'm dealing with." There's nothing to suggest that Helspont wanted to get thrown around, toppled and hurt by Grifter. Grifter's instincts about how afraid Helspont was of Cole are far more on-point considering that in the prior issue, Helspont's enraged with his seers that the "Chosen One" always wins per prophecy.

Did Grifter finish the job? Did he KO Helspont? Helspont would have won in the end, IMO and Grifter has yet to fully control his powers, which is why he's getting a Yoda type sensei to perfect his skills. Once he does, I can see him beating Helspont.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Did Grifter finish the job? Did he KO Helspont? Helspont would have won in the end, IMO and Grifter has yet to fully control his powers, which is why he's getting a Yoda type sensei to perfect his skills. Once he does, I can see him beating Helspont. These questions have little to do with what we're discussing. And it's Grifter's own fault for trusting Deathblow to destroy the ship per their plan that he didn't stick around to finish taking his revenge personally. And while it's possible Helspont may have won in the end, he was the one on his knees and Grifter wasn't. Accordingly, I won't be placing him anywhere near Annihilus' level, his one-sided beatdowns of Superman notwithstanding.

So, it was inconclusive. Helspont has looked the superior and he easily discarded Superman (Most powerful meta on the planet), I don't see Grifter doing that.

^ Helspont getting knocked around and dropped to his knees was conclusive to me. As was Helspont's evident fear of Grifter. As is Helspont's barely existent chances against someone who before he even possessed the Q-Bands, roflstomped Quasar and Nova simultaneously.

I wonder what they're building Grifter into. There could be other reasons why Helspont is afraid of him, other than pure power. Time will tell, but still going with Helspont.