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Martian Manhunter
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Blue Marvel
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Forum Rules, no prep, no prior knowlege of each other .

Does BM have any TP resistance feats?

I'm not sure. I think he does.

MM looks badass in this pic, far better then his Pre-DCnU self. He wins.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Does BM have any TP resistance feats?

J'onn should win.. BM is not proven tpwise....

If J'onzz can't handle Superman, Captain Marvel or Black Adam he can't handle Blue Marvel

Originally posted by Tony Stark
If J'onzz can't handle Superman, Captain Marvel or Black Adam he can't handle Blue Marvel

Looks like dcnu. And tp will give him the edge.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Looks like dcnu. And tp will give him the edge. if J'onzz can't handle Zod or Desparo, he isn't about to handle Blue Marvel.

Originally posted by deathslash
if J'onzz can't handle Zod or Desparo, he isn't about to handle Blue Marvel.

He did handle Despero with TP in their first encounter. MM has been weakened in the recent JLA series, so judging feats off that isn't good.

Blue Marvel wins.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He did handle Despero with TP in their first encounter. MM has been weakened in the recent JLA series, so judging feats off that isn't good. Zod beat him half to death.

Originally posted by deathslash
Zod beat him half to death.

Just one showing doesn't mean MM is weak. MM has had a good track record since the New 52 started. Including taking on the league by himself. But in history, he's been all over the place.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Blue Marvel wins. how does BM get past Jonns tp or intangibility?

If he has TP defense, then Blue Marvel. Otherwise, TP for the win.

Originally posted by DarkRaiden
If he has TP defense, then Blue Marvel. Otherwise, TP for the win.

You forget about intangibility. Jonn uses that tactic quite often. Well written, BM shouldn't even touch Jonn.

MM finds a way to job.

Originally posted by h1a8
You forget about intangibility. Jonn uses that tactic quite often. Well written, BM shouldn't even touch Jonn.

Then what's the story with Zod beating him? In character it seems that MM will lose.

Originally posted by SamZED
MM finds a way to job.

Again a showing doesn't negate his OTHER appearances. He's even taken the attacks of Wildfire's Anti-Energy and Atrocitus's Red energy/magic attacks.

Originally posted by deathslash
if J'onzz can't handle Zod or Desparo, he isn't about to handle Blue Marvel.

Desparo is trans leveler i dont see the problem here.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
Desparo is trans leveler i dont see the problem here.

What do you consider Trans tier? Adam took it to a team trying to beat him down, and the team wasn't a weak one either. Sentry was even on the team, and Adam was trying to reason with them on top of it. Imagine if he was serious?

Adam stomps. MM use to be a beast but his record is going downhill yet again.

Originally posted by Stoic
What do you consider Trans tier? Adam took it to a team trying to beat him down, and the team wasn't a weak one either. Sentry was even on the team, and Adam was trying to reason with them on top of it. Imagine if he was serious?

desparo casualy beats groupd of heralds and clearly dominated the likes of superman.
every character has here and there high moments but desparo is just as validus a consistant herald team wrecker , always was and always portrayed that way.

Wait a minute. When did DCNU Despero fight Superman or a gang or Heralds? Scans.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
desparo casualy beats groupd of heralds and clearly dominated the likes of superman.
every character has here and there high moments but desparo is just as validus a consistant herald team wrecker , always was and always portrayed that way. that doesn't explain away Martian Manhunter getting beat down by Zod or getting owned by Stargirl. Meanwhile, Blue Marvel has taken down King Hyperion, flash k.o.ed Sentry, beaten down Ironman, Ms. Marvel, Ares and Wonderman and then he got jumped by Sentry and still pushed him to his breaking point

He also stomped Antiman, someone that ripped through the Avengers.

That was an illusion. Anyhow, MM defeated Despero in their first encounter. And pretty bad ass, too.

Originally posted by deathslash
that doesn't explain away Martian Manhunter getting beat down by Zod or getting owned by Stargirl. Meanwhile, Blue Marvel has taken down King Hyperion, flash k.o.ed Sentry, beaten down Ironman, Ms. Marvel, Ares and Wonderman and then he got jumped by Sentry and still pushed him to his breaking point Originally posted by carver9
He also stomped Antiman, someone that ripped through the Avengers.
And after all that we have absolutely no clue as to how he cn defend against tp.

Hence I give the majority to J'onn for now...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And after all that we have absolutely no clue as to how he cn defend against tp.

Hence I give the majority to J'onn for now...

Does Jonn have any defense against Anti-matter?

Originally posted by carver9
Does Jonn have any defense against Anti-matter?

Wildfire has a similar attack and MM tanked it with no problem. Along with Atrocitus's attacks, Vibe's, The Shadowlord's attacks, and Tyroc's. He's been a beast in the durability department.

Originally posted by deathslash
that doesn't explain away Martian Manhunter getting beat down by Zod or getting owned by Stargirl. Meanwhile, Blue Marvel has taken down King Hyperion, flash k.o.ed Sentry, beaten down Ironman, Ms. Marvel, Ares and Wonderman and then he got jumped by Sentry and still pushed him to his breaking point

maybe if you work your reading skills you will understand that i wasnt even defending MM. i was simply stating that saying he cant beat desparo is nothing to be a shamed of because desparo is a legit trans team wrecker.

Originally posted by Stoic
Then what's the story with Zod beating him? In character it seems that MM will lose. In character Jonn uses intangibility A LOT. Sometimes writer's ignore that power for the sake of plot. I forgot what's that called. I think it's a rule here though.

Originally posted by h1a8
In character Jonn uses intangibility A LOT. Sometimes writer's ignore that power for the sake of plot. I forgot what's that called. I think it's a rule here though.

Almost seems....induced, you might say.

MM wins this.

Originally posted by h1a8
In character Jonn uses intangibility A LOT. Sometimes writer's ignore that power for the sake of plot. I forgot what's that called. I think it's a rule here though.

So why don't we just ignore his character, and tell everyone how you would fight his battles instead? Oh wait I think that's exactly what you did. This still does not answer why he got beat up by Zod. Why didn't he use this against Zod? Oh yeah because it's in his character to fight his battles that way. Let's also not take into account that most characters have some sort of resistance to TP, and while he's sitting there brain beaming him, let's ignore that the other character may still be able to launch a physically crippling attack on him.

Originally posted by Stoic
So why don't we just ignore his character, and tell everyone how you would fight his battles instead? Oh wait I think that's exactly what you did. This still does not answer why he got beat up by Zod. Why didn't he use this against Zod? Oh yeah because it's in his character to fight his battles that way. Let's also not take into account that most characters have some sort of resistance to TP, and while he's sitting there brain beaming him, let's ignore that the other character may still be able to launch a physically crippling attack on him.
Gud points. Almost had me swayed there for a second. Still J'onn for now.

Originally posted by Stoic
So why don't we just ignore his character, and tell everyone how you would fight his battles instead? Oh wait I think that's exactly what you did. This still does not answer why he got beat up by Zod. Why didn't he use this against Zod? Oh yeah because it's in his character to fight his battles that way. Let's also not take into account that most characters have some sort of resistance to TP, and while he's sitting there brain beaming him, let's ignore that the other character may still be able to launch a physically crippling attack on him.

Have you read any other mm appearances? First off, the whole zod thing was written by Soule who had superman struggling to lift a ship. One showing doesnt negate all the others before.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Gud points. Almost had me swayed there for a second. Still J'onn for now.

Even though in comics he usually gets beaten down by characters of this weight class? There is CIS, but there comes a time when that becomes useless when a character continues to ride the same bus to West Butt-kick. No one answered why he didn't do this to Zod BTW? Could it have been that Zod was moves to fast, and that such an attack would do more harm than good if employed? Adam clearly has super speed. This isn't even a question anymore.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Have you read any other mm appearances? First off, the whole zod thing was written by Soule who had superman struggling to lift a ship. One showing doesnt negate all the others before.

Why didn't he use his powers on Zod, but automatically uses them on Adam? Why is it a 100% certainty that Adam would be beaten by his attacks? Also for someone that keeps saying that it was a one time thing, you sure seem to have no trouble throwing Atrocitus at us and how well J'onn did against him. However you don't seem to be saying anything about their first encounter. You know the one where Atrocitus nearly kills J'onn, and Apollo?

Originally posted by Stoic
Why didn't he use his powers on Zod, but automatically uses them on Adam? Why is it a 100% certainty that Adam would be beaten by his attacks?

Mm has used his powers pretty well in the dcnu overall. So the positive outweigh the negative here.

Originally posted by Stoic
Even though in comics he usually gets beaten down by characters of this weight class? There is CIS, but there comes a time when that becomes useless when a character continues to ride the same bus to West Butt-kick. No one answered why he didn't do this to Zod BTW? Could it have been that Zod was moves to fast, and that such an attack would do more harm than good if employed? Adam clearly has super speed. This isn't even a question anymore.

Mm restrained barry allen in trinity war. Speed wont be a problem.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Mm restrained barry allen in trinity war. Speed wont be a problem.

What about the other things that I brought up? If you're just going to ignore them, this discussion is over, because it would be easier to clap with one hand than to get a solid answer from you.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Mm has used his powers pretty well in the dcnu overall. So the positive outweigh the negative here.

Once again you fail to reply, but seek to strawman the topic of J'onnz less than stellar performances.

Actually atrocitus didnt alnost kill mm. Mm took his blast point blank with hsrfly any effect. Also weakened atro with a mind attack.

You guys have yet to address the tp and intangibility.

On paper : MM SHOULD win. Actually he SHOULD win vs A LOT of people he normally loses to.

In practice : BM stomps a hole in his chest.

Originally posted by zopzop
On paper : MM SHOULD win. Actually he SHOULD win vs A LOT of people he normally loses to.

In practice : BM stomps a hole in his chest. RT

Who has dcnu mm lost to?

Originally posted by Golgo13
RT

Who has dcnu mm lost to?
Zod?

Originally posted by zopzop
Zod?

Yet, he took on the jla solo, atrocitus, the legion, stormwatch,and a trans lebel villain despero. His wins far outweigh his loses. And thats the only example? Lol

Originally posted by Golgo13
And thats the only example? Lol
Hey, you're the one who said this :
Who has dcnu mm lost to?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Yet, he took on the jla solo, atrocitus, the legion, stormwatch,and a trans lebel villain despero. His wins far outweigh his loses. And thats the only example? Lol

"took on the jla solo".

Not to be crass, but that's not usable at all. We saw one panel of them fighting. One. It's not cut and dry at all.

He seemed to be doing fine, using all his powers like intangibility and shape shifting.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
maybe if you work your reading skills you will understand that i wasnt even defending MM. i was simply stating that saying he cant beat desparo is nothing to be a shamed of because desparo is a legit trans team wrecker. Insulting people is a very good way to get yourself banned very quickly. I undestood what you were saying perfectly fine an I was simply explaining that BM still has better feats than MM.

His loss to despero shouldnt be used. Mm easnt even at full power.

Originally posted by Golgo13
His loss to despero shouldnt be used. Mm easnt even at full power. Do yo have any response to his losses against Zod and Stargirl?

He was weakened in the stsrgirl incident. Hell, mm took a cheap shot from catain marvel as well. All weakened.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He was weakened in the stsrgirl incident. Hell, mm took a cheap shot from catain marvel as well. All weakened. All great examples of him not using his tp or intangibility during a fight IN CHARACTER and getting beaten half to death as aresult.

Originally posted by deathslash
All great examples of him not using his tp or intangibility during a fight IN CHARACTER and getting beaten half to death as aresult.

Not really. He wasnt trying to harm stargirl. If he eanted to, she would be dead.

Originally posted by h1a8
You forget about intangibility. Jonn uses that tactic quite often. Well written, BM shouldn't even touch Jonn.


So, I guess no one should...

Originally posted by Golgo13
He seemed to be doing fine, using all his powers like intangibility and shape shifting.

It's still only one panel. Until we see the full fight, we won't know how effective he was, or who won/lost.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's still only one panel. Until we see the full fight, we won't know how effective he was, or who won/lost.

Yeah, a lot of things COULD have happened. But, I believe MM mind wiped the entire JLA to protect his identity. I think this was pointed out in Stormwatch. Still a good feat there.,

BTW, here are most of MM's telepathic feats since the reboot. It's quite a bit, so it's SAFE to say, he would use it on Blue Marvel.

Forces his mind on Atrocitus. Throwing him off guard.
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM_zps2d0643e8.jpg

Manipulates Guy Gardner
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM2_zps5ad3df02.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM3_zpsaf69abdb.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM4_zps4ae210c6.jpg

Mind wipes Jack Hawksmoor
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM5_zps6c7cfac5.jpg

Mind Wipes Apollo
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM6_zpsb3648020.jpg

Mind Wipes Midnighter and gets past his battle computer
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM7_zpsa7f0df27.jpg

Mind Wipes the Engineer
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM8_zps88a52064.jpg

His battle with Thot, a being who wiped out his entire race and absorbed their psychic abilities.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM9_zps779a8b23.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM10_zps99b51d10.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM11_zps85feab88.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM12_zps59c8cd3d.jpg

Reading the Flash who was thinking and moving at lightning speeds
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MM19_zpsd82822fe.jpg

Aaaaand his battle with Despero.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MM13_zps57744e6a.jpg

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MM14_zps49107146.jpg

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MM15_zpsf3952012.jpg

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MM16_zps43ab5884.jpg

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MM17_zps35466abc.jpg

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MM18_zps8fcba8c7.jpg

http://www.comicvine.com/martian-manhunter/4005-2047/forums/new-52-martian-manhunter-respect-thread-670357/#103/

Adam

Originally posted by guy222
Adam

What TP resisting feats does he have? Please provide something.

Originally posted by deathslash
Insulting people is a very good way to get yourself banned very quickly. I undestood what you were saying perfectly fine an I was simply explaining that BM still has better feats than MM.

says the guy who likes to insult himself, i see once you get a taste of your own medicine its not to your liking? you know what they say. the one whos house is made of glass, should not throw rocks on the neighbor house.

I'll be honest, for all the times we mock Golgo for his threads, at least he's shown scans of MM using telepathy and intangibility in battle.

Haven't seen any resistance feats from BM yet.

Martian Manhunter wins unless someone will prove Blue Marvel can resist telepathy its just that simple. but many people on here just cant figure that out, their math says the one who is stronger should win, they just dont understand that someone can have other tools to win its just beyond their understanding.

The low iq is proven when a poster says the stronger will win when there is more important factors in the fight.

With this fight we have tp and intangibility.
Those two things make this a non fight.

Left some out, but here is the one panel fight with the JLA. Now, PR has a good point. because we don't know how the fight ended, but I believe MM confirmed in Stormwatch that he erased the minds of the team, so he can keep himself a secret. Also, this shows that he can multi-task like intangibility and shape shifting to get the upper hand.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MAM10_zpsb3b7a57a.jpg

Links NINE Green Lanterns minds, while placing the info from the Keepers, and then erasing it thereafter. Pretty uber TP feat here.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MAM_zps3b0fc91f.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MAM2_zpsa227ada4.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MAM3_zps627f3a68.jpg

Manipulating ALL of the military facility INCLUDING Amanda Waller to see what he wants, while pushing through Timber Wolf's TP defenses. Someone who ACTUALLY has TP defenses.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MAM4_zps6f04850b.jpghttp://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MAM5_zpsb63751f2.jpghttp://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/th_MAM6_zps8a075f55.jpg

Tanking BOTH Tyroc's and Wildfire's attacks. One who has Anti-Energy attack. The other a sonic attack with no problemo.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MAM7_zps887f93bf.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MAM8_zpsfbbea678.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MAM9_zps71d4c3e1.jpg

Martian Manhunter Also used shape shifting to tank Apollo's attack with no problem as well. Showing how uber his shape shifting can be.

Golgo did a great job. so basically the Blue Marvel side has no feats to say he can resist the telepathy level of MM. i think its very clear that MM wins, end of debate.

Originally posted by deathslash
All great examples of him not using his tp or intangibility during a fight IN CHARACTER and getting beaten half to death as aresult.

well genius if the writers will portray MM as a guy who goes intangible all the time and mind rapes everybody how fun will that be? 100% of the characters in comics universe dont use all their powers in each and each fight. i forgon when was the last time thor used any of his powers aside of brawling... so... does it stop us from using his powers in a debate? see good think here on KMC we debate ones actual abilities.

Wow!

Prep-man -10
The rest - 0

bm gets his mind turned inside out every time.