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Has Morlun returned?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Has Morlun returned?


Not that I know of

Forgotten One

Gilgamesh wins this one fairly easily.

Originally posted by complexbrother
Gilgamesh wins this one fairly easily.
I doubt it.

Originally posted by complexbrother
Gilgamesh wins this one fairly easily.


I don't know. Morlun is hard to gauge because he is primarily a street level villain but he has mid to high herald level feats like when he tore through Wakanda. He tanked vibranium missiles and ripped through adamantium netting.

Well looking at his latest appearance we have to assume that's the level he's at right now. When he fought Spider-man he was just playing and its not like Pete could hurt him. Morlun is definitely not a street leveler.

He's a Spiderman villain, doesn't make him a street level though... even in his first appearances he was a beast and it was insinuated he could tear through adamantium, which he later did in the BP series.

Originally posted by SamZED
Well looking at his latest appearance we have to assume that's the level he's at right now. When he fought Spider-man he was just playing and its not like Pete could hurt him. Morlun is definitely not a street leveler.



With his best shot, a direct punch to the face (no rolling with the blow, Morlun got caught by a surprise), Pete was barely able to draw *some* blood. And Spidey written by JMS was really strong.

Even if he gets hurt (like stabbed), it doesn't bother him much as seen in BP book...

There are only a few ways to beat this guy. Either BFR or a certain type of radiation... or power absorption, apparently that's how Man Spider beat him, at least that's what the recap of the following issue said.

Yeah, Morlun was compared directly to Hulk by Spider-Man.

Yeah, I know, statements are taken with some salt, but then you have Morlun raging over Wakanda and shit, which would definitely be something close to Hulk's range.

Yep, Pete said he's never been hit that hard by neither Hulk or Thor.

The thing about Spider-Man saying Morlun hits harder then Thor or Hulk is dountful. I seriously doubt Spider-Man has ever taking a full punch from Thor or Hulk because I would bet Thor or Hulk could kill Spider-Man with a well placed punch. They would have and should have even strength and force behind their punches to crush every bone in Spider-Man's body.

I heard that the reason Spider-Man thought Morlun hit harder wasn't because the blow had more force or impact, but because it also was draining his power

Yeah, that's a plausible explanation. Morlun was also pretty fast, so maybe Parker didn't roll with his punch well enough like he could've with Thor's or Hulk's blows.

Originally posted by golem370
The thing about Spider-Man saying Morlun hits harder then Thor or Hulk is dountful. I seriously doubt Spider-Man has ever taking a full punch from Thor or Hulk because I would bet Thor or Hulk could kill Spider-Man with a well placed punch. They would have and should have even strength and force behind their punches to crush every bone in Spider-Man's body.

True, but then you look at what Morlun was doing to Wakanda.

That's not above high meta power levels and definitely something I'd expect from the likes of Hulk.

Thor has show battle field removing Titania with a backhand and Hulk has punch Namor a few states away I believe now Titania is a 500pounder and Namor is around 225-300 pounds. Hulk turning a ten ton titanium punching bag to rubble or punching a fully dense Vision through the earth are punchs that imo could have killed Spider-Man. The punch that Morlun hit Spider-Man and Spider-Man living to to tell the story tells me he can't hit Spider-Man as hard as Thor or Hulk.

Okay.

But like I said, when you look at Morlun displaying feats such as enduring vibranium missiles and ripping through adamantium netting, it's clear to see that Spidey's words aren't baseless.

It sounds like pis to me. Professor Hulk which is considered the weakest of the Hulk incarnations has been bitten by a dog that could crush adamantium in seconds and it did nothing to Hulk. The missle thing he is probably immortal thus the statement he been walking the earth for centuries.

How is Morlun walking through Wakanda's defenses PIS?

It's clear that physically, he was on a completely different level than Spider-Man - who was definitely written to be high end per JMS like Stiltman stated - and his blows were compared to Hulk.

Given what Morlun did later, it paints the picture that the guy definitely seems to be capable of reaching Hulk-like levels and feats.

What is considered out of Spider-Man's level? Lizard would be considered out of Spider-Mans level since he gets the better of Spider-Man more often then not and he is considered a 12 tonner. Does he get stronger the more he feeds?

Originally posted by golem370
What is considered out of Spider-Man's level? Lizard would be considered out of Spider-Mans level since he gets the better of Spider-Man more often then not and he is considered a 12 tonner. Does he get stronger the more he feeds?

Erm, what?

Lizard is stronger, faster, and more vicious than Spider-Man. But he's still in his typical range.

Morlun was not. I mean, the guy got compared to Hulk, which yes, in of itself doesn't mean anything. But then the guy turns around and strolls through Wakanda, tanking shit that would have obliterated Peter and most of his rogues.

So, to that end, it appears that Morlun, at peak, is around the levels I'd expect someone like a moderately pissed Hulk to be.

Originally posted by golem370
What is considered out of Spider-Man's level? Lizard would be considered out of Spider-Mans level since he gets the better of Spider-Man more often then not and he is considered a 12 tonner. Does he get stronger the more he feeds?
This is considered out of "Spiderman level" :
a) Ripping apart an adamantium net -
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b) Surviving vibranium tipped nukes and everything else Wakanda threw at him -
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That's herald level right there.

EDIT - More here
Originally posted by Parmaniac
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Durability 01

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Durability 02:
"Morlun--Devourer of Totems-- has come to feast in T'Challa, like a lion on a wounded Caribou. And thus far, he's proved unstoppable."

"We have thrown missiles at him. Mortars and bombs. Laser cannons, vibraniumcore nuclear-tipped shells. air and ground assaults."

"We haven't even slowed his approach."

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Support for the feat above.

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Healing Factor: Heals in 1 panel.

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Strength: Tears apart an adamantium net.

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Strength/Exotic: Literally walks through a door and rips apart 2 guards with a simple swipe of his backhand.

It seems fishey to me

Originally posted by golem370
It seems fishey to me
The Morlun scans? Those are legit 616 showings.

The whole thing. Like I said he is probably a immortal with a healing factor. My point is if he in fact hit harder then Hulk or Thor I am pretty sure Spider-Man wouldn't have been around to say so. During a fight with Lizard Spider-Man got trapped under tons and tons of rubble he said I doubt Hulk could lifts this rubble yet a minute later Spider-Man lifts the rubble off himself.

Morlun was intended and shown to be a powerhouse from the very beginning. Both Straczynski and Hudlin wrote him that way.

Originally posted by golem370
The whole thing. Like I said he is probably a immortal with a healing factor. My point is if he in fact hit harder then Hulk or Thor I am pretty sure Spider-Man wouldn't have been around to say so. During a fight with Lizard Spider-Man got trapped under tons and tons of rubble he said I doubt Hulk could lifts this rubble yet a minute later Spider-Man lifts the rubble off himself.
Well I didn't even mention that "hits harder than Hulk" statement because like you, I don't buy into the whole hyperbole/comments not backed up by on panel evidence.

Even ignoring that bit of hyperbole, Morlun withstood Vibranium tipped nukes (as well as everything Wakanda threw at him) and was strong enough to rip apart an Adamantium net; that alone places him well above your typical Spiderman villain.

Originally posted by golem370
Thor has show battle field removing Titania with a backhand and Hulk has punch Namor a few states away I believe now Titania is a 500pounder and Namor is around 225-300 pounds. Hulk turning a ten ton titanium punching bag to rubble or punching a fully dense Vision through the earth are punchs that imo could have killed Spider-Man. The punch that Morlun hit Spider-Man and Spider-Man living to to tell the story tells me he can't hit Spider-Man as hard as Thor or Hulk. Spider-man's been hit by Hulk, Juggernaut and pretty much every other class 100+ character and lived to tell the story. So just because he survived Morlun's punhes doesnt take away from Morlun's established power level, especially concidering Morlun was holding back the whole time. What he did in Wakanda cant be concidered PIS as it doesn't controdict his earlier appearances. He was always shown to be out of Spider-man's league, we just didn't know HOW MUCH out of his league he was until the wakandan incident.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, that's a plausible explanation. Morlun was also pretty fast, so maybe Parker didn't roll with his punch well enough like he could've with Thor's or Hulk's blows. Ive heard that too. Think its just a theory. Iirc its been mentioned that Morlun can drain life force but nothing about him using the ability to punch more effectively.

Originally posted by SamZED
Spider-man's been hit by Hulk, Juggernaut and pretty much every other class 100+ character and lived to tell the story. So just because he survived Morlun's punhes doesnt take away from Morlun's established power level, especially concidering Morlun was holding back the whole time. What he did in Wakanda cant be concidered PIS as it doesn't controdict his earlier appearances. He was always shown to be out of Spider-man's league, we just didn't know HOW MUCH out of his league he was until the wakandan incident.

Correct.

He shrugged off everything Spiderman and Ezekiel threw at him, ripped through Parker's webbing like it was made out of paper even though he emptied his cartridges... it was said that the underground dome with adamantium at its core wouldn't save Parker from him (later we got the wakandan net feat pretty much confirming that statement).

Fun fact: Even Wolverine couldn't detect him.

Originally posted by SamZED
Ive heard that too. Think its just a theory. Iirc its been mentioned that Morlun can drain life force but nothing about him using the ability to punch more effectively.

It's been mentioned and shown, that's also why he was going after Spiderman, he wanted to leech the life force from him. Totemistic beings fed him more effectively.

But yeah, it's just a theory he could apply it to his strikes. It seemed more like an active than passive ability and there was the energy radiating when he was using it.

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