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OF Thor (w/ all powers of Flash - Wally)
Sundipped Superman (w/ all powers of Classic Juggernaut)
WB Hulk (w/ all powers of Silver Surfer)

vs

Odin, Darkseid, and Thanos

No BFR.

Darkseid and Thanos aren't skyfathers. Odin solos

Why would Odin solo when his opponent is odinforce Thor with the powers of flash

Superman mixed with the invincibility of juggernaut brakes on darkseid

And war bound hulk with power cosmic vs thanos....

The weak fight here is suggesting hulk would do well with the power cosmic....

team 2 , odin canjust stop time i guess etc..

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Darkseid and Thanos aren't skyfathers. Odin solos

You could make an argument that either one was, tbh.

Originally posted by rotiart
Why would Odin solo when his opponent is odinforce Thor with the powers of flash

Superman mixed with the invincibility of juggernaut brakes on darkseid

And war bound hulk with power cosmic vs thanos....

The weak fight here is suggesting hulk would do well with the power cosmic....

What's stopping Odin from removing the "Odin-force" from Thor? Nothing, he then takes mjolnir from him and one shots him. He'd then remove cytorraks enchantment and one-shot Clark. and beats hulk down worse than zeus did......

Originally posted by -Pr-
You could make an argument that either one was, tbh.

True but u could also make the argument that superman is a Trans tier character.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
True but u could also make the argument that superman is a Trans tier character.

And? That doesn't discredit either argument.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And? That doesn't discredit either argument.

But they aren't. I had the understanding that we went by averages here on kmc, high end wise sure Thanos and Darkseid are skyfathers but on average no.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
But they aren't. I had the understanding that we went by averages here on kmc, high end wise sure Thanos and Darkseid are skyfathers but on average no.

We do.

shrug You could still make the argument, imo, depending on form.

Originally posted by -Pr-
We do.

shrug You could still make the argument, imo, depending on form.

what do u consider them?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
what do u consider them?

Personally? Mid-High trans, personally.

Personally.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Personally? Mid-High trans, personally.

Personally.

Both? Equally, personally never saw Darkseid as equal to thanos, thanos just comes off as more impressive

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Both? Equally, personally never saw Darkseid as equal to thanos, thanos just comes off as more impressive

Depends on what portrayal you're talking about. Darkseid has a few bad lows.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Depends on what portrayal you're talking about. Darkseid has a few bad lows.

Pre-dcnu stuff, I know alotta his low showings were retconned as avatars but still. Silver Surfer would never be the threat to Thanos that Clark is to Darkseid.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Pre-dcnu stuff, I know alotta his low showings were retconned as avatars but still. Silver Surfer would never be the threat to Thanos that Clark is to Darkseid.

That's different; and besides, Darkseid has manhandled Superman as easily as Thanos has Surfer has, at times.

Thanos and some versions of darksied are legit skyfathers, not as powerful as odin but they are still up there.


Odin Force Thor With Flash Powers solos tho.
No one here cant tank 1000s of odin force blast every second

Also Imagine What An Infinit Mass Punch can do when its back by The Odin Force.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's different; and besides, Darkseid has manhandled Superman as easily as Thanos has Surfer has, at times.

Until Clark gets serious.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Thanos and some versions of darksied are legit skyfathers, not as powerful as odin but they are still up there.


Odin Force Thor With Flash Powers solos tho.
No one here cant tank 1000s of odin force blast every second

Also Imagine What An Infinit Mass Punch can do when its back by The Odin Force.

yea sub sky/ high Trans but legit sky no, not without plot.

And im talking about averages not high end feats.

Also Thor would not solo, or imp anyone here

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Until Clark gets serious.



yea sub sky/ high Trans but legit sky no, not without plot.

And im talking about averages not high end feats.

Also Thor would not solo, or imp anyone here

No; even a serious Clark has been pimp-slapped by Darkseid.

And even when he hasn't, the two situations aren't the same.

Why would thor IMP anyone?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Also Imagine What An Infinit Mass Punch can do when its back by The Odin Force.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Why would thor IMP anyone?

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Langerdan007/Random%20F365/not_sure_if_serious.gif

Originally posted by rotiart
The weak fight here is suggesting hulk would do well with the power cosmic.... banner would however

Typo

Why wouldnt

Team 2

Team 1, easily.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Team 1, easily.

How? Team 2 can effectively take one of Team 1's best fighters out of the fight immediately by having Odin just recall the Odinforce from Thor.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What's stopping Odin from removing the "Odin-force" from Thor? Nothing, he then takes mjolnir from him and one shots him. He'd then remove cytorraks enchantment and one-shot Clark. and beats hulk down worse than zeus did......

When has Odin ever "given" or "taken" the Odin force.

As far as I recall it simply leaves him when he died and went to Thor. It isn't his something he just hands around.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
How? Team 2 can effectively take one of Team 1's best fighters out of the fight immediately by having Odin just recall the Odinforce from Thor.
Its not OF thor who is the best fighter from team 1, its superman. Also Odin can't just take back Odinforce from thor with Flash's speed.

I said "one of". And Odin can manipulate time too

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I said "one of". And Odin can manipulate time too
People at superman/flash level speed have overcome time-manipulation before.

Time manipulation from a Skyfather?

Originally posted by rotiart
When has Odin ever "given" or "taken" the Odin force.

As far as I recall it simply leaves him when he died and went to Thor. It isn't his something he just hands around.


its his power...with the same application as the power cosmic. he giveth he taketh. simple concept

Odin's given the Odin Force to Heimdall when he temporarily left him to rule Asgard. He's also enchanted gear with the Odin Force. Hell, Odin can not just take Mjolnir and the Odin Force from Thor, he can completely strip him of his Asgardian powers, period (something he's done before).

Originally posted by rotiart
When has Odin ever "given" or "taken" the Odin force.

As far as I recall it simply leaves him when he died and went to Thor. It isn't his something he just hands around.

It's within his power to do so, he's done it before. If Odin tried it, he'd succeed on experience alone.

I wonder if Odin gets all that extra Odin Force juice added to his own if he strips Thor. Of course, that wouldn't exactly be very fair but whatever.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's within his power to do so, he's done it before. If Odin tried it, he'd succeed on experience alone.

I wonder if Odin gets all that extra Odin Force juice added to his own if he strips Thor. Of course, that wouldn't exactly be very fair but whatever.

Rage I recognize your Thor knowledge as far exceeding mine. If you say he did then he has.

But to sins argument about galactus and the power cosmic... Galactus made that one guy... God can't think of his name.. The bio tech equivalent of himself and never completely stripped him... He battled it out with him and destroyed galaxies or stars or whatever in the process... (Off panel recounting of history) so guys like surfer notwithstanding... There are others...

Tyrant! Lol that's his name...

Anyways as far as odin Course once he does it becomes a stomp for odins team which is completely unfair. But I thought the Odinforce (later called thorforce?) was what we were referring to when Odin passed away... Did Odin really pass ALL of his power onto Heimdall and somehow take it all back for wanly from him later?

Originally posted by rotiart
Rage I recognize your Thor knowledge as far exceeding mine. If you say he did then he has.

But to sins argument about galactus and the power cosmic... Galactus made that one guy... God can't think of his name.. The bio tech equivalent of himself and never completely stripped him... He battled it out with him and destroyed galaxies or stars or whatever in the process... (Off panel recounting of history) so guys like surfer notwithstanding... There are others...

Tyrant! Lol that's his name...

Anyways as far as odin Course once he does it becomes a stomp for odins team which is completely unfair. But I thought the Odinforce (later called thorforce?) was what we were referring to when Odin passed away... Did Odin really pass ALL of his power onto Heimdall and somehow take it all back for wanly from him later?

Tyrant is something else entirely, I was mentioning something more akin to galans relationship to norrin since that is more synonymous with Thor and Odin

Originally posted by rotiart
Rage I recognize your Thor knowledge as far exceeding mine. If you say he did then he has.

But to sins argument about galactus and the power cosmic... Galactus made that one guy... God can't think of his name.. The bio tech equivalent of himself and never completely stripped him... He battled it out with him and destroyed galaxies or stars or whatever in the process... (Off panel recounting of history) so guys like surfer notwithstanding... There are others...

Tyrant! Lol that's his name...

Anyways as far as odin Course once he does it becomes a stomp for odins team which is completely unfair. But I thought the Odinforce (later called thorforce?) was what we were referring to when Odin passed away... Did Odin really pass ALL of his power onto Heimdall and somehow take it all back for wanly from him later?
As Sin pointed out , Tyrant is something else entirely . That's a being created in Galactus' own image .

I see Odin's connection to the Odinforce as similar to Jean Grey's connection to the Phoenix Force . Jean , even at her normal base levels , has been able to strip other wielders of the PF in its entirety . I don't see why Odin would be incapable of something similar with the Odinpower .

Exactly even if Odin couldn't take it away OF Thor is near elite skyfather even with flash powers

Odin can literally strip Thor of his entire Asgardian powerset and Mjolnir. I mean...it's exactly what he did to teach Thor humility in the first place. And he's depowered Thor more than once.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Time manipulation from a Skyfather?
Time-manipulation from beings with better feats than skyfathers.

I hope you're not talking about Dominus

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I hope you're not talking about Dominus
Classic hal jordan. He basically stopped time in between a fraction of a nanosecond. Byrne superman overcame it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Classic hal jordan. He basically stopped time in between a fraction of a nanosecond. Byrne superman overcame it. the new god kids also tried hitting Supes with a chrono-suspension ray, and he just overpowered it.

Even if he does overpower....he still is gettin one shot

So Hal and 2 New God pre-teens are suddenly > Skyfathers now?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What's stopping Odin from removing the "Odin-force" from Thor? Nothing, he then takes mjolnir from him and one shots him. He'd then remove cytorraks enchantment and one-shot Clark. and beats hulk down worse than zeus did...... This

Originally posted by Endless Mike
So Hal and 2 New God pre-teens are suddenly > Skyfathers now?
Unless you have odin freezing time in a fraction of nanosecond, he's not getting a pass cuz he's a skyfather.Originally posted by Sin I AM
Even if he does overpower....he still is gettin one shot
Tell that to imperiex powered brainiac 13.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Unless you have odin freezing time in a fraction of nanosecond, he's not getting a pass cuz he's a skyfather.
Tell that to imperiex powered brainiac 13.

Tell me how Clark wins here

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Tell me how Clark wins here
Punching that old coot in his mouth.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Punching that old coot in his mouth.


U trolling

Originally posted by Sin I AM
U trolling
No. R u?