Originally posted by Sundipped
Problem is, your "normal feats aren't permitted. I'll point to the top part of my post.
And also add on a little to the whole "context angle", after I just point out this...
Originally posted by Sundipped
Dormammu & GR - Dormammu>>>Steven anyway. Not a low showing
Umar amped Clea - Steve said himself he was using lesser spells in order to not hurt Clea. Not a low showing.
Azarel - Steve was depowered. Mordo entrapped his EoA and cloak. Not a low showing.
Sword of Kammu - The mystic had to repeatedly cut through layers of shielding that Steve mentally erected not only around his Santum but the whole nation. Surely not a low showing.
Mystic mist - Steve just said his defences were breached. No spell is cast nor is a shield even shown.
Ningal - Was amped by Dweller in Darkness and still had to continuously pound to the point he grew tired of it and decided to uproot the ground Steven stood on. Certainly not a low showing.
Next scan - The power was increased 100 fold and Steven still managed to repel the beams highest intensity setting. Can't see this as a low showing at all.
Next scan - It took the combined power of 2 mystics. Not a low showing.
Absorbing Man - This was only a shade of Seraphim. Not the actual shield. Not a low showing.
Science scan - Doesn't apply to this fight.
Exaustion - Spell was cast against D'spayre who is a powerful Fearlord demon who's specialty is creating mental madness and fear. D'spayre even admitted no one has ever done that before. Not a low showing.
Again, I've never made any attempt to hide context, in fact I even stated when there was relevant context. All the context is in the scans, unless I stated extra. That doesn't mean that the feats don't count just because there is context. That's insane. Every fight and every comic has context.
I'm not posting things where Strange was on his deathbed, I'm posting things where others are amped or such of that nature. Seriously, you might not like it and therefore it didn't happen... but it did, and it counts.
Just shouting "Context" doesn't mean a feat doesn't count. Especially when the context doesn't rule out really anything. You pretty much just explained why you don't like the feat, but without the ability to explain why it should not be used.
But whatever. The context doesn't rule out these feats of his shield, simply put.
Originally posted by Sundipped
How would Surfer fare against this blast invoking all the Vishanti vs Death. A blast from herald level Drax was totally no sold.
Probably not very well at all... it if landed. Nor would it be a good idea considering Strange's usual cardio against Surfer flying around...
But ya, if it landed, it'd cause some damage.
If you're going to bring up Drax, don't forget to bring up Loki trapping her...
Meh, ups and downs.
Not that it solves anything, but Surfer's tanked a cheapshot blast from Drax.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxblastssurfer.jpg
Guess he's about as durable as Death, but then again he's beaten Loki (who's trapped Death, and beaten Strange)... so I guess Surfer > Loki > Strange > Death?
Oh Death and your inconsistency...
You don't have to respond to this, just pondering.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Surfer blew off Runes hand but when did he destroy the IG other than that What If issue?
And his shields would withstand those assaults. Observe how it blocked a Deathurge arrow
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13840855_924141-0_strangefate_super.jpg
The same arrows making Watchers terrified and making Surfer "struggle" until he was "finally "able to extract it.
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13840831_SilverSurfer_Rune-11.jpg
That Frankensurfer story was flooded with PIS. Docs shields held up just fine twice and even repelled the carbon copy version of PC only to get struck at the end due to plot based events leading to Frankensurfers suicide.
What exactly do you think the gauntlet actually gives. If he can blow up Rune's hand with all the Gems, then he can blow up Rune's hand if the Gems were in a gauntlet.
You know, high feats and all.
Deathurge's arrows aren't destructive. They operate on a "if this touches you, it's going to really hurt" basis. It's basically like blocking a hand imbued with death with a shield.
Not a bad speed feat though, a non feat for shields however.
And it failed when FrankenSurfer got really pissed off.
It's called applying yourself more.
Strange blocked two weaker blasts, and the stronger one got through. If that's PIS, then... well, that's simply awful.
Originally posted by Sundipped
You didn't like that shield, well how about this no name shield right in Hulks face?
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2397/incrediblehulk29922.th.jpg Not a bad feat.
However, two pages later this happened.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2wfk202.jpg
Yes, Strange was weary in all those three scans shown on Hulk's end (and again it wasn't Strange's shield that Hulk rained 3000 blows on), but he's never really tanked Hulk either way. Even in those scans Hulk is bending his shield pretty bad.
But if he did, it'd make his shields about as durable as Surfer...
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3982/story2page02eq7.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4646/story2page03dn9.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsSilverSurfer24.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsSilverSurfer25.jpg
Among other hits that Hulk's landed on Surfer that he's shaken off easily. There's a lot of them.
Originally posted by Sundipped
You just contradicted yourself. You said Dormy is weakened most times so that accounts for Docs shield holding. Mordu and GR had skyfather amps augmenting their base level . Not the same. How does that contradict anything...
It's not the same at all. Dormammu being weakened on Earth isn't the same as amped characters breaking Strange's shield. And an amp doesn't automatically put them above Surfer again. Likewise, getting weaker doesn't put one below Surfer. I'm not saying that, but...
Dormammu gets so weak that he pretty much just gives up fights on Earth. He won't fire blasts anymore and the like. He literally gets his power sapped from him. It stops being "OMG it's Dormammu" to "Holy shit, that guy shouldn't ever go to Earth".
I'm not saying Strange hasn't shielded from Dormammu at full power however, just that it starts looking weird when he's gotten his shields broken maybe more times by Dorm amped characters than he has shielded from full Dorm.
I'm also not saying him shielding from weakened Dorm isn't impressive either. Just that if you're going to bring up Dorm, it looks weird when you believe Strange can shield from him, but can't shield from people he's amped.
Based on what you stated anyway.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Doom did not reinforce his shields. Don't know where you got that from. And what does scans of Mephisto and Surfer holding hands and Mephisto tanking a blast prove? And yeah it's a minuscule amount but it's still coming from a abstract. Like I said, Strange's shield tanked the first attack from what looked like Meph throwing demons at him:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/drsstrangeanddoom71.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/drsstrangeanddoom72.jpg
Doom outright stated he can reinforce his shield while holding his hand out when Meph came again:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/drsstrangeanddoom74.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/drsstrangeanddoom75.jpg
And unless Doom just holds his hands out while stating he can do things...
You mean what does Surfer overpowering Meph in hell prove? Well, it shows Surfer overpowering Meph in hell first off. Seems plenty relevant.
You ignored the first set though. Meh.
And Surfer's taken pissed off Galactus attacks and got up a page later a few times. Not just miniscule amounts.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/007-SSv375.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/008-SSv375.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/GalactusTheDevourer3-04.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/GalactusTheDevourer3-05.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/ssjd-41.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/ssjd-42.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/ssjd-43.jpg
Etc.
Mind you he got injured, and Galactus is hungry in the last two, but it's not just "miniscule amounts" that Surfer's taking full on with no shielding...
Against an abstract.
