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1. As of Street Fighter 3.

2. Best versions.

Still hard to believe Ken and Ryu weren't even supposed to be in the game..

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Ken in both.....

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
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Ken in both.....

I see that a lot, but..

He's the current reigning champion, right? Why is Alex usually rated pretty low, when he was designed to replace Ryu and Ken as the top guy, and managed to hold his own with Gill? (I realize Ryu beat him in story, but he improved since and they had a rematch.. And besides, weren't Ryu and Ken at the same tournament Gill was at? And they didn't beat him.)

Hm..

tbh, I'm looking for a Third Strike character that can compete with the shoto twins on an even level, story mode wise..

But Capcom does so much fan pandering, it's basically as unbalanced as Dragon Ball Z power levels.. I'm more of a fan of shaky, anyone can win at any time power scaling...

Originally posted by cdtm
I see that a lot, but..

He's the current reigning champion, right? Why is Alex usually rated pretty low, when he was designed to replace Ryu and Ken as the top guy, and managed to hold his own with Gill? (I realize Ryu beat him in story, but he improved since and they had a rematch.. And besides, weren't Ryu and Ken at the same tournament Gill was at? And they didn't beat him.)

Because of his loss to Ryu where he didn't even land a single strike.

He only held on against Gill because Gill let him and threw the fight.

I think Ken withdrew from the tourney, and Ryu was defeated by Oro, a guy who stalemated Akuma. Even Gill couldn't stalemate Akuma, and that should tell you about Oro.

Originally posted by cdtm
Hm..

tbh, I'm looking for a Third Strike character that can compete with the shoto twins on an even level, story mode wise..

But Capcom does so much fan pandering, it's basically as unbalanced as Dragon Ball Z power levels.. I'm more of a fan of shaky, anyone can win at any time power scaling...

You'd be hard pressed to find one. Most are woefully underprepatred, or are almost grotesquely overpowered... Q might be the closest you'll get... IDK.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
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Ken in both.....
And I agree with this a man who actually likes Alex more than Ken.

Originally posted by cdtm
I see that a lot, but..

He's the current reigning champion, right? Why is Alex usually rated pretty low, when he was designed to replace Ryu and Ken as the top guy, and managed to hold his own with Gill? (I realize Ryu beat him in story, but he improved since and they had a rematch.. And besides, weren't Ryu and Ken at the same tournament Gill was at? And they didn't beat him.)
Yes, he won the tournament during the 2nd Impact events, but that's because Oro didn't show up for their match. Also, Gill let him win.
Alex faced Ryu during 3rd Strike, which takes place after the tournament and Ryu won the battle without some difficulties. After that fight, Alex became obsessed with having a rematch but he didn't meet Ryu again.
Ryu also managed to beat Ken in a friendly match during SF3, but that doesn't put Alex on Ken's level. Ken would beat Alex in the similar way Ryu did.