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I am listening to Sean Hannity on radio. Hannity is in New York. He says it is an absolute disaster. The people on Staten Island have no food and no gas. They have no heat. With cold weather coming, they fear for their lives. Some are eating out of dumpsters. Some are defecating in hallways.

Hannity is highly critical of Obama. He says "Obama came, he saw, he left." Getting his picture with Governor Christie was just another photo op for the food stamp president. He got back on the plane and resumed campaigning, possibly to keep an appointment with Beyonce or Jay-Z.

I fear what another 4 with Obama will do to this country. I fear there may be civil war.

SEAN HANNITY http://www.hannity.com

Originally posted by Jim Colyer
I fear there may be civil war.

lol, wut?

seriously?

http://www.gifcrap.com/g2data/albums/Celebrities/Nicolas%20Cage%20trying%20not%20to%20laugh.gif

This is some sad shit, think about yourself being in that position.

Digging through dumbsters for food, no heat when its Almost 10 degrees F, defecating anywhere because your house is destroyed. Loved ones dead.

we are all operating under the assumption that Obama is incapable of summoning hurricanes at will, yes?

Originally posted by Jim Colyer
I am listening to Sean Hannity on radio. Hannity is in New York. He says it is an absolute disaster. The people on Staten Island have no food and no gas. They have no heat. With cold weather coming, they fear for their lives. Some are eating out of dumpsters. Some are defecating in hallways.

Hannity is highly critical of Obama. He says "Obama came, he saw, he left." Getting his picture with Governor Christie was just another photo op for the food stamp president. He got back on the plane and resumed campaigning, possibly to keep an appointment with Beyonce or Jay-Z.

I fear what another 4 with Obama will do to this country. I fear there may be civil war.

SEAN HANNITY http://www.hannity.com


ok so basically you have no topic and there is no point to this thread besides an announcement that you hate obama. have you considered getting a twitter account and sparing us this nonsense in the future?

Originally posted by Jim Colyer
I fear what another 4 with Obama will do to this country. I fear there may be civil war.
I remember hearing the exact same thing with George W.

Lulz @ Hannity

lol

Originally posted by Oliver North
we are all operating under the assumption that Obama is incapable of summoning hurricanes at will, yes?

That's all it is though, just an assumption. It might be wrong.

Romney 2012 - No more hurricanes.

Sean ****ing Hannity? Who's next? Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck? What a joke.

Bill O'Reilly isn't nearly as crass and opinion-driven as Hannity. And Glenn Beck is just his own category of nonsense and demagoguery.

That said, Bill O'Reilly is perhaps more dangerous than both of the others put together because he does have an iota of respectability and can sometimes even appear as a moderate by standing next to the likes of Hannity. Thus it's easier for his fans to think they're listening to truth rather than just confirmation of what they already believe.

And Limbaugh?

A troll.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And Limbaugh?

Oh yeah, I forgot that ***hole.

It's New York, people eat out of dumpsters and shit in hallways all the time, don't they?

...has the man ever been to New York before?

Forgive my ignorance and laziness, but when is the election?

Tuesday iirc.

Thank god an uneducated white supremacist Jew-hating ******* is here to give his expertise on disaster relief. He's just upset that Obama didn't respond by pulling back federal agencies and then sending in mercenaries and out of control cops to strafe survivors in poor neighborhoods and toss black people off bridges before bulldozing the poor neighborhoods to make room for yuppy lofts.

Originally posted by Astner
Forgive my ignorance and laziness, but when is the election?

The election is Tuesday, November 6.

Jim: you really believe there will be civil war if Obama wins?

Yes, a civil war lead by Generals Sean Hannity, Andy Martin, and Hal Turner.

not to be glib, but that is pretty much my question...

The US government vs who? American generals don't strike me as the type who are going to lead a full scale rebellion, and the training of US troops attempts to make them more loyal to the nation than to individuals, does it not?

768h3Tz4Qik

Originally posted by focus4chumps
768h3Tz4Qik

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/HIMARS_DA-SD-07-43938.jpg/800px-HIMARS_DA-SD-07-43938.jpg

Angry Troll is Angry.

Funny that this thread is started by someone complaining about the poor and disenfranchised being affected by this disaster when the very cause of that is the disparity between rich and poor to begin with, which Romney and Ryan will no doubt help to increase. Whatever's clever though.

Obama is sending all our jerbs to China!

Originally posted by BackFire
Romney 2012 - No more hurricanes.

http://i.imgur.com/R7PIR.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
Obama is sending all our jerbs to China!

DERKA DUR!!!!

Originally posted by Nibedicus
http://i.imgur.com/R7PIR.jpg

I KNEW IT! Obama made Hurricane Sandy.

Obama is getting back all the white people because Bush got all the black people with Hurricane Katrina!

Originally posted by Jim Colyer

Hannity is highly critical of Obama.


STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Originally posted by Bardock42
STOP THE PRESSES!!!

I think that idiom should be, "START THE PRESSES!" since it is to pretend to make fun of "ground-breaking" news.

hrrmmm yeah that was way funnier. good job.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
I think that idiom should be, "START THE PRESSES!" since it is to pretend to make fun of "ground-breaking" news. Well the thing is presses have a timetable, so the picture you are trying to evoke by saying "stop the presses" is that the presses are already running, to print this days edition of the news, and then, out of the blue, something so important comes up, that you have to stop the current printing process, and start over, as the news HAS to be in the paper.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
hrrmmm yeah that was way funnier. good job.

I'll be sure and put "this is not intended for humor but rather an inspection of the English Language" in the future so you don't get your hopes up at another funny post from dadudemon. I don't want you to be disappointed!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well the thing is presses have a timetable, so the picture you are trying to evoke by saying "stop the presses" is that the presses are already running, to print this days edition of the news, and then, out of the blue, something so important comes up, that you have to stop the current printing process, and start over, as the news HAS to be in the paper.

I understand that but I think it works better my way.

They have such revelating news that they will have to print way more copies than usual so they need to start the printing presses now to meet the demand of the shocking revelation.

In your description (and the way the idiom works), you have to assume the PPs are already printing today's news and they need to do an over-write. That works for news folks by not the layman.

Well yes, it seems to impair the ability to be funny..?
And it would seem that quoting also has a similar magical power: now there rest of us have the crickets inslightly delayed faux-stereo...!

Hallelujah, brother.



Anyways. I doubt civil war will happen anyways...and certainly not on Hannity's say so.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well yes, it seems to impair the ability to be funny..?

Oh, posting an misplaced youtube vid on autoplay was supposed to be funny. I'm taking notes.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And it would seem that quoting also has a similar magical power: now there rest of us have the crickets inslightly delayed faux-stereo...!

Hallelujah, brother.

That's actually quite funny...but I didn't intend that. lol



Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Anyways. I doubt civil war will happen anyways...and certainly not on Hannity's say so.

That's what they were saying in the 1830s before the American Civil War.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, posting an misplaced youtube vid on autoplay was supposed to be funny. I'm taking notes.


Then you might wanna write this down:
I'm not using Adblock plus, you are...DOH! (I was refering to your initial joke, not mi....oh never mind...)

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q40/KIsenberger/Food%20and%20Misc/Point_over_your_head.jpg








Yes we knew those 2 things.



...and plenty of other times it was probably said over previous elections, taxations, foreign policy decisions etc etc etc when it didn't actually occur..?

The full title of this thread should be...Obama must go to Washington.


If enough people down south are truly willing to start a civil war over Obama as President - because he's a black man bringing sensible strains of socialism into a massive capitalist machine that aim to benefit the majority - then the country doesn't deserve to exist.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Then you might wanna write this down:
I'm not using Adblock plus, you are...DOH! (I was refering to your initial joke, not mi....oh never mind...)

Actually, I think my point went over your head. What you thought was a joke wasn't a joke. What you posted as a joke in reply to what you thought was a joke is actually something the mods will warn you for (if anyone is ragey enough to report your post). I won't be reporting your post, FYI. I like your brand of humor.



Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes we knew those 2 things.

There is more than one of you posting at your computer?



Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
...and plenty of other times it was probably said over previous elections, taxations, foreign policy decisions etc etc etc when it didn't actually occur..?

I am having a hard time recalling at any point in history the number of times I have heard, recently, that the US is sliding towards civil war. It could be a "population growth" thing, but I doubt it. It could be my exposure to information and everyone else's access to the information distribution resources that makes me think this.

Originally posted by dadudemon

That's what they were saying in the 1830s before the American Civil War.

Oh well, we have 20 to 30 years then...

Originally posted by dadudemon

That's what they were saying in the 1830s before the American Civil War.
I'll start worrying when seated Senators get caned in public by the nephews of their rivals over the Federal Debt Ceiling.

Edit: Yes, I realize that happened in the 1850s. But still, I don't think there's any issue today that's quite as volatile and pervasive as the question of American slavery. And in either case, the conditions aren't conducive to a Civil War as they were in the 19th century. The sense of the states as individual entities has long since been replaced by the sense of them as administrative divisions with some notions of individuality that never get further than the level of "Everything's Bigger in Texas". We have partisanship of course, but it hasn't penetrated West Point as regionalism did in the decades before the Civil War. If West Point hadn't been polarized between North and South (thus allowing the Confederate General Staff to materialize more or less over night thanks to all of them being school buddies) then the Confederate Army would never have become a force to challenge the Union.

There's really no chance for any kind of significant schism in the US Armed Forces, so any kind of "Civil War" would amount to rednecks shooting up police stations and getting gunned down by the National Guard.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh well, we have 20 to 30 years then...

25, yes.

Originally posted by dadudemon
25, yes.

Well, maybe 25, but, to be correct 21 to 31 years, if we are to go from what you said.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, I think my point went over your head. What you thought was a joke wasn't a joke. What you posted as a joke in reply to what you thought was a joke is actually something the mods will warn you for (if anyone is ragey enough to report your post). I won't be reporting your post, FYI. I like your brand of humor.





There is more than one of you posting at your computer?





I am having a hard time recalling at any point in history the number of times I have heard, recently, that the US is sliding towards civil war. It could be a "population growth" thing, but I doubt it. It could be my exposure to information and everyone else's access to the information distribution resources that makes me think this.

If they were to report a act of blatantly playful heckling banter in rage they'd have to have waaay bigger problems than either of us would ever have had.. aluuuuuuuuuudicrous amount of boredom being the first. But since no one got all raged up on the report button when I was somewhat preemptively and libellously umbrella termed and ganged up on as a Lucas basher the other day, Im gonna guess that they have perspective.




Nope.are there more than one of you reading the posts at your end?
Nope.are there more than one of you reading the posts at your end?
Nope.are there more than one of you reading the posts at your end?


Thats cause of mass communication in the internets age, most likely. Yes. I agree: Things were a lot more compartmentalised and limited in that regard in the colonial era. Netflix had fewer vids to keep them amused also...

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
If they were to report a act of blatantly playful heckling banter in rage they'd have to have waaay bigger problems than either of us would ever have had.. aluuuuuuuuuudicrous amount of boredom being the first. But since no one got all raged up on the report button when I was somewhat preemptively and libellously umbrella termed and ganged up on as a Lucas basher the other day, Im gonna guess that they have perspective.

I would like to submit to the court that I never made fun of you for your opinions in that thread. You and I have talked about the OT vs. the PT and you are not the typical meme parrot with your opinions.




Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope.are there more than one of you reading the posts at your end?
Nope.are there more than one of you reading the posts at your end?
Nope.are there more than one of you reading the posts at your end?

icwutudidthar.


Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Thats cause of mass communication in the internets age, most likely. Yes. I agree: Things were a lot more compartmentalised and limited in that regard in the colonial era. Netflix had fewer vids to keep them amused also...


People seem to be pretty heated over GOP vs. Dems stuff these days. It feels like it is getting worse. This thread, for example...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'll start worrying when seated Senators get caned in public by the nephews of their rivals over the Federal Debt Ceiling.

Edit: Yes, I realize that happened in the 1850s. But still, I don't think there's any issue today that's quite as volatile and pervasive as the question of American slavery. And in either case, the conditions aren't conducive to a Civil War as they were in the 19th century. The sense of the states as individual entities has long since been replaced by the sense of them as administrative divisions with some notions of individuality that never get further than the level of "Everything's Bigger in Texas". We have partisanship of course, but it hasn't penetrated West Point as regionalism did in the decades before the Civil War. If West Point hadn't been polarized between North and South (thus allowing the Confederate General Staff to materialize more or less over night thanks to all of them being school buddies) then the Confederate Army would never have become a force to challenge the Union.

There's really no chance for any kind of significant schism in the US Armed Forces, so any kind of "Civil War" would amount to rednecks shooting up police stations and getting gunned down by the National Guard.
You forgot that most people are also easily distracted by Facebook and 9Gag now and couldn't be bothered to take up arms.

The hell is 9Gag?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The hell is 9Gag?

A watered down version of Reddit.


http://9gag.com/

Well, so now Louisiana is requesting to secede from the US...typical "prelude to civil war" crap:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl

Wow, how far to the right have the morons gone when they portray a center-right kiss ass as some sort of Stalinist harbinger of the apocalypse? All I've been hearing since the election is calls for secession, people wanting massive job losses and economic sabotage, CEO's gleefully and illegally firing their workers in front of the cameras, and more and more tea party wingnuts coming to the defense of the Greece's Golden Dawn and inviting them to come over here (having those idiots here is a far better reason to stock up on ammo than an Obama reelection).
What if workers started to strike French-style against their Obama-blaming overlords and just stormed their offices upon notice of layoffs and held them hostage? The idea kind of appeals to me.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, so now Louisiana is requesting to secede from the US...typical "prelude to civil war" crap:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl Let them secede.

Declare war on them.

????

Profit.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, so now Louisiana is requesting to secede from the US...typical "prelude to civil war" crap:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl
How does one private citizen drafting a petition and having it signed by 10,000 or so people translate in your mind to "Louisiana requesting to secede from the US"?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How does one private citizen drafting a petition and having it signed by 10,000 or so people translate in your mind to "Louisiana requesting to secede from the US"?
Indeed. How many signatures do those "End Women's Suffrage" always manage to pull in? Not really anything to worry about.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How does one private citizen drafting a petition and having it signed by 10,000 or so people translate in your mind to "Louisiana requesting to secede from the US"?

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Indeed. How many signatures do those "End Women's Suffrage" always manage to pull in? Not really anything to worry about.




I think he was being sarcastic. Edit - Wait, I think you both were being sarcastic.

Damn you internet!



Edit -

Uhhh....I was wrong.

Georgia:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-georgia-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/pgJ9JLY3

Missouri:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-missouri-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/Vd92R3YG

Tennessee:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-tennessee-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/7xsNwkJ8


Michigan:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-michigan-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/022SsMWp

South Carolina:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/state-south-carolina-secede-union-and-form-its-own-government-sovereign-state/LFzSJVkP

New York:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-new-york-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/RSBkpCf9


Colorado:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-colorado-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/lWDshfl3

Oregon:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-oregon-vote-and-leave-union-peacefully-and-remain-ally-nation/X3kWX8kF


New Jersey:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-new-jersey-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/RYvjgdDT

North Dakota:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-north-dakota-withdraw-usa-and-create-its-own-new-government/lqPGbvVl

Montana:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-montana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/l76dWhwN


Indiana:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-indiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/51jYVZ5L

Mississippi:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-mississippi-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-governmen/9M9rdL8n

Georgia:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-georgia-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/zXYY751D

Kentucky:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-kentucky-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/RskKYzB6

Florida:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-florida-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/D87Rv7yJ

North Carolina:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-north-carolina-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/rx1KDYTs

Alabama:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-alabama-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/2TvhJSSC

Texas:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B

Louisiana:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl






Montana's is the most disturbing because it has 2252 signatures which means 9/10ths of the people there have signed the petition!!!!

Haha, what the christ?

so, out of curiosity, are there any states where the people might choose to secede from America if given the choice in a referendum?

Originally posted by Oliver North
so, out of curiosity, are there any states where the people might choose to secede from America if given the choice in a referendum? There was on in Texas...and their congress smacked it down. Happened a few years back.

Originally posted by dadudemon



I think he was being sarcastic. Edit - Wait, I think you both were being sarcastic.

Damn you internet!



Edit -

Uhhh....I was wrong.

Georgia:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-georgia-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/pgJ9JLY3

Missouri:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-missouri-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/Vd92R3YG

Tennessee:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-tennessee-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/7xsNwkJ8


Michigan:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-michigan-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/022SsMWp

South Carolina:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/state-south-carolina-secede-union-and-form-its-own-government-sovereign-state/LFzSJVkP

New York:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-new-york-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/RSBkpCf9


Colorado:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-colorado-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/lWDshfl3

Oregon:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-oregon-vote-and-leave-union-peacefully-and-remain-ally-nation/X3kWX8kF


New Jersey:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-new-jersey-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/RYvjgdDT

North Dakota:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-north-dakota-withdraw-usa-and-create-its-own-new-government/lqPGbvVl

Montana:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-montana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/l76dWhwN


Indiana:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-indiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/51jYVZ5L

Mississippi:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-mississippi-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-governmen/9M9rdL8n

Georgia:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-georgia-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/zXYY751D

Kentucky:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-kentucky-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/RskKYzB6

Florida:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-florida-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/D87Rv7yJ

North Carolina:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-north-carolina-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/rx1KDYTs

Alabama:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-alabama-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/2TvhJSSC

Texas:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B

Louisiana:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl






Montana's is the most disturbing because it has 2252 signatures which means 9/10ths of the people there have signed the petition!!!! having reviewed this list i think the answer here is simple. wait for random citizens in the rest of the states to sign this petition and then have the entire US secede from the US.

Originally posted by red g jacks
having reviewed this list i think the answer here is simple. wait for random citizens in the rest of the states to sign this petition and then have the entire US secede from the US.


It wouldn't work that way. We'd be a loosely associated confederacy if all states seceded. We'd only be bound by, say, The Fed and other "useful" cross-state agencies like the FBI. It would be a looser association than the Articles of Confederation established. It would be more like the EU and each state would function as its own country.

Originally posted by dadudemon
There was on in Texas...and their congress smacked it down. Happened a few years back.

do you remember how much support it got?

Originally posted by Oliver North
do you remember how much support it got? Well it was what God wanted, sooo...

I'm sort of interested in the comparison to Quebec, really. how serious are them southerners at the end of the day?

Colorado seceding.... I'm guessing it was mainly signed by Weld County ranchers who voted for Marilyn Musgrave despite her Klan endorsement and complicity in the assault of one of her rivals and by Boulder Objectivists. If we seceded, just geographically we'd be like Nagorno Karabakh

Originally posted by Oliver North
I'm sort of interested in the comparison to Quebec, really. how serious are them southerners at the end of the day?
them southerners?

Racist. uhuh

In all seriousness, though, it isn't a question of how serious these Southerners are, it's a question of how numerous they are. The people actively pushing for independence probably top out at 1-2% of the population for any given state, maybe closer to 5-10% in the more solidly conservative states like Texas and Alabama.

It isn't anything close to the situation in Quebec where the Secessionists are represented by a major regional political party with seats in the National Legislature.

Originally posted by Oliver North
do you remember how much support it got?

Well...I don't remember much. My sister was telling me about it and since I haven't had "TV" in 4-5 years, I don't really watch mainstream news, as well.


HCR 50 was the legislation being mulled over.


http://www.texashousecaucus.com/releases/26


It's not quite a secession but it moves Texas back to more of a confederacy than a federacy. Like I stated earlier, they'd maintain economic ties with things like currency and probably interstate agencies that are necessary like FBI. But almost all federal powers over Texas would be diminished or absolved.



Also, I read this article and the comment...my sides:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/texas-gov-rick-perry-contemplates-illegal-succession.php


"Put Perry in Federal Prison for Treason....he'll find out what true tea-bagging is in short order."


Originally posted by Omega Vision
In all seriousness, though, it isn't a question of how serious these Southerners are, it's a question of how numerous they are. The people actively pushing for independence probably top out at 1-2% of the population for any given state, maybe closer to 5-10% in the more solidly conservative states like Texas and Alabama.

I agree with this. I think it is closer to 5%, though. Tons of people talk about secession in Oklahoma. But I think if they had to sign, only 5-10% would step up.

oh well...whats good for the goose:

if they dont like america why dont they just get the **** out?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
if they dont like america why dont they just get the **** out?

Well played. I actually think they are trying to cheat by making their state "get the **** out".

Originally posted by focus4chumps
if they dont like america why dont they just get the **** out?

This line of thought is only valid when Bush is in office.

Originally posted by Robtard
This line of thought is only valid when Bush is in office.

Or when those pakis and indians turk er jeeeerrbs.

i'm all for their revolution. lets find out if napalm sticks to rednecks.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Or when those pakis and indians turk er jeeeerrbs.

TUK ER JEEEEERRBS!

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i'm all for their revolution. lets find out if napalm sticks to rednecks. Rednecks are rubber, and you are glue. What bounces off them, incinerates you.


Originally posted by Omega Vision
Quebec... National Legislature. I really hate that it's called that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well...I don't remember much. My sister was telling me about it and since I haven't had "TV" in 4-5 years, I don't really watch mainstream news, as well.


HCR 50 was the legislation being mulled over.


http://www.texashousecaucus.com/releases/26


It's not quite a secession but it moves Texas back to more of a confederacy than a federacy. Like I stated earlier, they'd maintain economic ties with things like currency and probably interstate agencies that are necessary like FBI. But almost all federal powers over Texas would be diminished or absolved.



Also, I read this article and the comment...my sides:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/texas-gov-rick-perry-contemplates-illegal-succession.php


"Put Perry in Federal Prison for Treason....he'll find out what true tea-bagging is in short order."

So basically get rid of Federal restrictions that they don't like but maintain all the benefits they approve of? Gaww Texas, be any more selfish? Reminds me of the rebels in Mali who've realized that they don't know anything about managing a country so they're asking the Malian government to return utilities and bureaucratic services but allow them to maintain their army and control over law and order in the North.



Apparently in Alaska a Pro-Secessionist party accounts for around 6% of registered voters there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So basically get rid of Federal restrictions that they don't like but maintain all the benefits they approve of?

Almost. They'd be cutting themselves out of tons of Fed Programs and they'd still have to pay taxes. Their main push is that they can be, easily, economically independent of the US so they say they don't need those government programs.



Originally posted by Omega Vision
Apparently in Alaska a Pro-Secessionist party accounts for around 6% of registered voters there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party


That's actually a bit more disturbing than I thought. This secession crap seems more serious than I thought. I thought it was funny, at first.

What do you have against secession?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Rednecks are rubber, and you are glue. What bounces off them, incinerates you.


I really hate that it's called that. Pretty sure their lack of bathing makes them more similar to glue.

Napalm's elitist. It won't stand for being used on them thar rednecks.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Almost. They'd be cutting themselves out of tons of Fed Programs and they'd still have to pay taxes. Their main push is that they can be, easily, economically independent of the US so they say they don't need those government programs.


That's the big thing I'm wondering about. Literally almost every major state, county, and city-run organization from schools to public works relies on some pretty major Federal funding. There's also the fact that the move to privatize things like prisons has only been accomplished by diverting Federal funds as well.

It would also be interesting to see what happens to college enrollment considering that many students are only able to attend because of the Pell Grant. I don't foresee this going too well.

No state is going to secede, so it's moot.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Almost. They'd be cutting themselves out of tons of Fed Programs and they'd still have to pay taxes. Their main push is that they can be, easily, economically independent of the US so they say they don't need those government programs.






That's actually a bit more disturbing than I thought. This secession crap seems more serious than I thought. I thought it was funny, at first.
The good news is that it's doubtful to grow any larger, and even if it were to double in size it would still struggle to get major representation in the state legislature, let alone in Congress.

Originally posted by Jim Colyer
I am listening to Sean Hannity on radio. Hannity is in New York. He says it is an absolute disaster. The people on Staten Island have no food and no gas. They have no heat. With cold weather coming, they fear for their lives. Some are eating out of dumpsters. Some are defecating in hallways.

Hannity is highly critical of Obama. He says "Obama came, he saw, he left." Getting his picture with Governor Christie was just another photo op for the food stamp president. He got back on the plane and resumed campaigning, possibly to keep an appointment with Beyonce or Jay-Z.

I fear what another 4 with Obama will do to this country. I fear there may be civil war.

SEAN HANNITY http://www.hannity.com

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The good news is that it's doubtful to grow any larger, and even if it were to double in size it would still struggle to get major representation in the state legislature, let alone in Congress. Even if it went to Congress the CIA would silence it.

Permanently. sneer

Texas now has the 25,000+ signatures required to get a response from the White House:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/white-house-may-respond-texas-secession-petition-212328772--election.html


Obama cannot approve state secession, however. Don't get your hopes up.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9861/3rqhzw.jpg

Originally posted by dadudemon
Almost. They'd be cutting themselves out of tons of Fed Programs and they'd still have to pay taxes. Their main push is that they can be, easily, economically independent of the US so they say they don't need those government programs.

But if they still want to use US currency (backed by the full faith and credit of the federal government) they obviously don't believe they're actually capable of economic independence. I mean the form of secession you describe would make Texas into a complete parasite on the US. If any state did secede I'm fairly certain the federal government would immediately sever all ties to it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But if they still want to use US currency (backed by the full faith and credit of the federal government) they obviously don't believe they're actually capable of economic independence.


While true, other countries besides the US use the US Dollar.

http://www.sporcle.com/games/starkkt/countries-that-use-the-us-dollar--as-their-currency

And some currencies are "tied" into the US dollar.


However, that does not bar them from creating their own internal currency: it is just not going to ever be independent of the US Dollar.

I could extend your point a bit further and say that no country in the world is independent of the US Dollar: we live in a world economy. The 2008 Recession proved that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I mean the form of secession you describe would make Texas into a complete parasite on the US.


Actually, it would vastly reduce the drain on federal funding: the exact opposite. They would have to pay their fair share of taxes for FBI services and the like.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If any state did secede I'm fairly certain the federal government would immediately sever all ties to it.


That would be a very poor diplomatic choice that is more reminiscent of a petty tantrum than an actual legitimate response. I'm sure image relations for the White House would advise against that, at the worst.

Originally posted by Mindset
No state is going to secede, so it's moot.
The most valid point made so far on this page.

Originally posted by Mindset
No state is going to secede, so it's moot.

No one is going to use a phone jammer on cities come tomorrow or nuke Mecca most likely; this is a discussion forum, no?

Originally posted by dadudemon
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That would be a very poor diplomatic choice that is more reminiscent of a petty tantrum than an actual legitimate response. I'm sure image relations for the White House would advise against that, at the worst.
Pretty sure the whole point of the end of the Civil War was that as a rule secession isn't a viable, legal option for any state.

I don't think the Federal government would break ties though--I think the Federal government would reestablish control through military force if necessary.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
No one is going to use a phone jammer on cities come tomorrow or nuke Mecca most likely; this is a discussion forum, no? I'm not stopping you from discussing moot points.

This secession shit is pretty hilarious.

Originally posted by dadudemon
However, that does not bar them from creating their own internal currency: it is just not going to ever be independent of the US Dollar.

But that's not in the plan. I'm pointing out that if they're trying to puff up how independent their economy is staying attached to the US dollar suggests their real level of confidence.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, it would vastly reduce the drain on federal funding: the exact opposite.

A group that demand to both be independent of your laws and get your military assistance is a parasite. There is more to life than cash.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That would be a very poor diplomatic choice that is more reminiscent of a petty tantrum than an actual legitimate response. I'm sure image relations for the White House would advise against that, at the worst.

I doubt they would continue to provide any kind of support to a state that succeeded. Secession is such a petty tantrum in and of itself that cutting off the state from federal assistance seems like a very reasonable time out.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But that's not in the plan.


We don't know that. It is one of the options, post secession, that will be considered. We just can't know if they choose to or choose not to go that route until the time occurs.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm pointing out that if they're trying to puff up how independent their economy is staying attached to the US dollar suggests their real level of confidence.

It seems pretty confident, then. Dozens of countries can't be wrong who directly depend on the dollar for their currency or indirectly because it is backed by US currency. No modern country is completely independent of the US Dollar, as your point implies.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A group that demand to both be independent of your laws and get your military assistance is a parasite. There is more to life than cash.

I do not consider the FBI to be "military assistance" especially if they are having to pay a tax for that service. Consider an "independent" Texas use of the FBI like every other nations use of Interpol: except the FBI would be much more effective haha!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I doubt they would continue to provide any kind of support to a state that succeeded.

I doubt that all support would be cut off, especially if the state is still willing to pay the taxes associated with that service, if a state seceded. Mostly because it is just a petty knee-jerk reaction if a state secedes. It is likely that:

1. No state will secede in the next decade or two.
2. If a state does successfully secede, the US Government would have been in negations with that state and an agreement would have been reached long before the state successfully seceded.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Secession is such a petty tantrum in and of itself that cutting off the state from federal assistance seems like a very reasonable time out.

I wouldn't call it a petty tantrum when they have been talking about it for decades and "serious law" was on the books before the results of this election.



Originally posted by Omega Vision
Pretty sure the whole point of the end of the Civil War was that as a rule secession isn't a viable, legal option for any state.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the whole point of the end of the Civil War.

Do you think the only way to secede from the US is by violent uprising?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think the Federal government would break ties though--I think the Federal government would reestablish control through military force if necessary.

I see: you do think the only way to secede is by violence.


I don't and neither do most of the secessioners.

Originally posted by dadudemon


Do you think the only way to secede from the US is by violent uprising?



I see: you do think the only way to secede is by violence.


I don't and neither do most of the secessioners.
Realistically, yes.

"Legal" secession simply won't happen in the foreseeable future.

You guys know that the whole secession thing happens every election, yeah? Media storm ftw.

Originally posted by Digi
You guys know that the whole secession thing happens every election, yeah? Media storm ftw.

Not like this, however. Last election, there wasn't this much whining.

Lemne rephrase: there wasn't this much official


Originally posted by Omega Vision
Realistically, yes.

"Legal" secession simply won't happen in the foreseeable future.

I agree to both...sort of. I think that a peaceful secession is possible.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/97wifey/Samwell.gif

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not like this, however. Last election, there wasn't this much whining.

Lemne rephrase: there wasn't this much official

Eh, ok. Until this election I lived in a battleground state my whole life, and every year we heard about these stories. I feel like they're just getting more mainstream coverage. It's the media's job to make the current news seem bigger than the past...it's why each election seems like the most polarized in history (nevermind that vicious smear campaigns have existed since George Washington's time).

You might be right, but I was a little surprised at the fervor over this.

Originally posted by BackFire
This secession shit is pretty hilarious.

Agreed. But if Texas wasn't a major economy in the US, I'd be happy to let them secede and try and manage themselves on every facet. That includes repelling invasions from Mexico or possibly the North Koreans. Shit would be hilarious.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
them southerners?

Racist. uhuh

race-ist?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
In all seriousness, though, it isn't a question of how serious these Southerners are, it's a question of how numerous they are.

it might not have been the correct word, but ?I do think there is a lack of seriousness involved in this, compared to our domestic politics. I mean, like, there would appear to be no political infrastructure, no regional political movements, no organization, etc. It seems far more akin to some knee-jerk rather than a serious political challenge to the federal government.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It isn't anything close to the situation in Quebec where the Secessionists are represented by a major regional political party with seats in the National Legislature.

Just to be a pedant, neither the Bloc or the PQ are strictly seperatist, but would be better understood as "Quebec-Fisrt" or asymmetrical-federalist. Pundits flirt with the idea in the media from time to time, like the recent student protests, but ultimately in Quebec and the rest of Canada, there is little interest in "separatism". For instance, the provincial PQ who were just elected ran on a mandate that included enforcing stricter language laws (most business must now be done in French, by law) and doing away with wearing any religious symbols, that aren't crosses, if you are a public employee.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's actually a bit more disturbing than I thought. This secession crap seems more serious than I thought. I thought it was funny, at first.

I wouldn't worry too much about 5-10% :P

Originally posted by Robtard
Agreed. But if Texas wasn't a major economy in the US, I'd be happy to let them secede and try and manage themselves on every facet. That includes repelling invasions from Mexico or possibly the North Koreans. Shit would be hilarious.

The Mexico thing would be more than terrible. There are so many trigger-happy citizens down there just relishing any chance they might get to put holes in someone. There were a few killings before when those "minute men" were active on private border patrol.

Originally posted by Digi
You guys know that the whole secession thing happens every election, yeah? Media storm ftw.

Also, on a creepier but similar note, gun sales spiked when both Clinton and Obama were elected.

Originally posted by Oliver North

Just to be a pedant, neither the Bloc or the PQ are strictly seperatist, but would be better understood as "Quebec-Fisrt" or asymmetrical-federalist. Pundits flirt with the idea in the media from time to time, like the recent student protests, but ultimately in Quebec and the rest of Canada, there is little interest in "separatism". For instance, the provincial PQ who were just elected ran on a mandate that included enforcing stricter language laws (most business must now be done in French, by law) and doing away with wearing any religious symbols, that aren't crosses, if you are a public employee.

This is the line they took because they didn't have the choice:
a majority of quebeckers aren't interested in the independance of Quebec. The only reason why the PQ was elected in the first place was because the PLQ (a federalist party) was corrupt to the ****ing bone, and still, the earned 31,2% of the popular vote, to the 31,9% of the PQ if my memory is ok.

PQ and it's federal counter-part, the Bloc, are, at the heart, for the independance. But the population don't want it now.

Originally posted by Oliver North
I wouldn't worry too much about 5-10% :P

Knee-jerk reaction varies directly with butthurt. There's lot of butthurt.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
This is the line they took because they didn't have the choice:
a majority of quebeckers aren't interested in the independance of Quebec. The only reason why the PQ was elected in the first place was because the PLQ (a federalist party) was corrupt to the ****ing bone, and still, the earned 31,2% of the popular vote, to the 31,9% of the PQ if my memory is ok.

PQ and it's federal counter-part, the Bloc, are, at the heart, for the independance. But the population don't want it now.

thats sort of exactly what I said

they aren't specifically separatist if that isn't what people want. Its not an ideological principal of the party so much as "Quebec-first" would be. They do push for independence, but it has more often been in the sense of asymmetrical federalism. I agree, if the opportunity arose they would push for full independence, so /shrug?

but ya, amazing that after everything thats gone on in Quebec, the PLQ were nearly reelected.

are classes back in yet? did everyone go back when the tuition hikes were scrapped?

Originally posted by Oliver North
thats sort of exactly what I said

This sentence made my brain hurt.

Originally posted by Oliver North
thats sort of exactly what I said

they aren't specifically separatist if that isn't what people want. Its not an ideological principal of the party so much as "Quebec-first" would be. They do push for independence, but it has more often been in the sense of asymmetrical federalism. I agree, if the opportunity arose they would push for full independence, so /shrug?

but ya, amazing that after everything thats gone on in Quebec, the PLQ were nearly reelected.

are classes back in yet? did everyone go back when the tuition hikes were scrapped?

For the PLQ, in my mind, this is insane. I, personnaly, voted for the PQ. Not because I want that Quebec become a country, but I vote for them, because they weren't any other choice. Because there's no way that I will vote for a bunch of criminals. Now, if the PQ was a majority, I'd vote No for the separation.

As for the classes, yeah they are, for quite some times in fact. There is 3 major "unions" of students, and 2 of them are totally ok with how the conflict resolved itself. The third one is a bit more "extreme", if I may say. They want Free Tuition. They try to go back on the street, but they won't be able to convince students to go back, in my opinion, that's for sure. To much time was already lost, and the students got what they wanted.

You could always not vote.

I didn't.

you didn't not vote?

i didn't

I also didn't not not not didn't not vote.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You could always not vote.


It didn't matter at the end, since my district went to the PLQ anyway.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
you didn't not vote?

i didn't Didn't we all not?

yeah me neither

I hate forgetting to not vote. Always makes me feel so involved.

I've never done nothing in no place.

They tracked down the guy who started the Alabama Secession petition. He wants to secede because a LOCAL obscenity law closed down his topless car wash. Because, you know, leaving the Union and therefore the Constitution behind will ensure LESS obscenity laws in Alabama.

http://blog.al.com/live/2012/11/alabama_secessionist_says_work.html

Originally posted by Darth Jello
They tracked down the guy who started the Alabama Secession petition. He wants to secede because a LOCAL obscenity law closed down his topless car wash. Because, you know, leaving the Union and therefore the Constitution behind will ensure LESS obscenity laws in Alabama.

http://blog.al.com/live/2012/11/alabama_secessionist_says_work.html

His reasons make no sense...


But I agree that he should be able to run and operate a topless carwash.

Originally posted by dadudemon
His reasons make no sense...


But I agree that he should be able to run and operate a topless carwash.

Since it's Alabama, the gals probably was his nieces or something

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Since it's Alabama, the gals probably was his nieces or something Should I go ahead and propose,
and get hitched and have kids with eleven toes and
move to Alabama where that kind of thing is tolerated?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Should I go ahead and propose,
and get hitched and have kids with eleven toes and
move to Alabama where that kind of thing is tolerated?
Is that a poem?

If so, why did you end the second line with 'and'? uhuh

is it safe to assume that the OP is still screaming and crying in his pillow?

hehe, most likely.....

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Is that a poem?

If so, why did you end the second line with 'and'? uhuh Yes... a poem, of course...

Originally posted by focus4chumps
is it safe to assume that the OP is still screaming and crying in his pillow?

Why his pillow?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Why his pillow? Well if that address in his sig is legit, then he's nearly 70 years old. And old people f*cking love pillows.