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Pre reboot. No bfring.

I'd go with Prime.

Superboy. Stronger, faster and TTK would phuck up Dick Rider.

The one with the full nova force and worldmind? Ill go with nova

Originally posted by armedforbattle
The one with the full nova force and worldmind? Ill go with nova
That's supernova.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
The one with the full nova force and worldmind? Ill go with nova Originally posted by abhilegend
That's supernova.

That's Rich. Saal never had the WM.

Originally posted by dmills
That's Rich. Saal never had the WM.
So are we going to give Rich Saal's feats? He never operated at that level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So are we going to give Rich Saal's feats? He never operated at that level. Originally posted by armedforbattle
The one with the full nova force and worldmind? Ill go with nova

Of course not.

What in this question doesn't apply to Richard? He did have the full Nova force. He also had the wm.

Nova.

I am so confused right now.

Originally posted by dmills
What in this question doesn't apply to Richard? He did have the full Nova force. He also had the wm.
Saal's fights with avengers, quasar and others.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Saal's fights with avengers, quasar and others.

I don't think he was referring to Saal with his question though.

Armedforbattle, are you talking about this guy

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9379/1352445160208.jpg

Or this guy?

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7454/1352445330707.jpg

Armedforbattle where are you?

What's the difference between the two?

The one on top is more powerful. Took on the entire team of Avengers and was stomping them.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
What's the difference between the two?

Restraint. Both have/had the same amount of power. Supernova had no Worldmind or other safeguards to regulate the flow of power and as a result he lost his mind, beat up on a few heralds and was bfr'd by Reed into the time stream. Richard Rider does have several safeguards in place to govern his power, thus preventing a repeat of past events. Although he too has nearly lost his mind twice before.

@dmills...

So you think Nova Prime is as powerful as Supernova?

Originally posted by carver9
@dmills...

So you think Nova Prime is as powerful as Supernova?

From a powerset standpoint I think its fair to say that he has the ability to become that powerful if plot calls for it. I mean it's the exact same power source here and in the past while fully unleashed he has beaten a couple of heralds pretty soundly. Their fight against him being described by an onlooker as being a futile effort etc.

But for forum purposes, no he's not anywhere near as powerful. There aren't many that operate on that level at their base. No writer would have say, Thor laugh at the human torch's fire blasts and then turn his back and ignore him and classic Quasar while they continually blasted away at his back. Or barely even notice the efforts of a team of high end bricks as they tried their hardest just to topple him over.

I was talking about the one on bottom! @dmills

Nova Prime.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
I was talking about the one on bottom! @dmills

Yep, that's Nova Prime.

Originally posted by dmills
Yep, that's Nova Prime.
Superboy beats him. TTK is a ***** for armored characters.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superboy beats him. TTK is a ***** for armored characters.

Seems like it'd be a nice contrast of abilities. Gravity vs ttk. However since I don't know much about Conner I'll have to sit this one out. Celey will prolly debate it with you though.

Originally posted by dmills
Seems like it'd be a nice contrast of abilities. Gravity vs ttk. However since I don't know much about Conner I'll have to sit this one out. Celey will prolly debate it with you though.
Yes its an interesting match. Connor is a legit low herald-mid herald who can bring the pain to nova.

Originally posted by dmills
Seems like it'd be a nice contrast of abilities. Gravity vs ttk. However since I don't know much about Conner I'll have to sit this one out. Celey will prolly debate it with you though.

Did you really give up that easy? Come on Mills.

Originally posted by carver9
Did you really give up that easy? Come on Mills.

Lol. Sorry bro.

Nova Prime. Physically, he can easily trade punches with Superboy. And he has a career of speed feats a notch above Superboy's. His more esoteric abilities with his control over gravimetric forces seal the deal for him.

Conner's tactile tk seems more suited to disrupting strictly mechanical/technological constructs/armors. Nova Prime's outfit isn't exactly Iron Man armor, it's more akin to solidified Novaforce, if anything.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes its an interesting match. Connor is a legit low herald-mid herald who can bring the pain to nova.

Damn straight. He'd take a few, IMO.

Superboy.

Originally posted by dmills
Richard Rider

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dick Rider


Had to Google that to see if that was his real name.

What on earth were they thinking giving him that name???

Dirty dirty Marvel. Dirty.

I wonder if he has been called Dick Rider in the comics?

At least they didn't use him on the Ultimate Spider-man show.

Nova Prime

Originally posted by dmills
Seems like it'd be a nice contrast of abilities. Gravity vs ttk. However since I don't know much about Conner I'll have to sit this one out. Celey will prolly debate it with you though.

Y would I debate? No debate here. Nova wins.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Y would I debate? No debate here. Nova wins.


Because you are the centurion in command of the DC sector lol. Although I may have to demote you to a millenian rank due to your love affair with Orion...

Originally posted by dmills
Because you are the centurion in command of the DC sector lol. Although I may have to demote you to a millenian rank due to your love affair with Orion...





Nah.. I just been too lazy to remove this sig. Obtw, Nova still wins.

Nova>>>Orion minus astroforce.

Originally posted by carver9
Nova>>>Orion minus astroforce.

Pshh.. Wut? u a Nova fan now? What happened to the days when Zomgz Gladiator beatz up the ENTIRE Nova corps like Zomgz!!!? Gladiator rullzzzz! Which was false btw.

Originally posted by carver9
Nova>>>Orion minus astroforce.

Has he had some sort of enormous amp lately?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Pshh.. Wut? u a Nova fan now? What happened to the days when Zomgz Gladiator beatz up the ENTIRE Nova corps like Zomgz!!!? Gladiator rullzzzz! Which was false btw.

I never said Gladiator worked Rich but he did work the corp and Gladiator would work Orion as well.

Gladiator does rullzzzz...lol.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Has he had some sort of enormous amp lately?

He doesn't need a powerup.

Originally posted by carver9
He doesn't need a powerup.

Then I don't see how he's supposed to be > Orion.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said Gladiator worked Rich but he did work the corp and Gladiator would work Orion as well.

Gladiator does rullzzzz...lol. U always used to spout about how Gladz took down the "whole" Corps including Nova Prime. Smh. Let me debunk all that falseness you've spread throughout ure forum years.

1st - That was a rookie Nova turned to a Prime
2nd - Gladz wasn't alone. He had the frikkin Imperial Guard with him.
3rd - The rest of the corps were even wetter behind the ears than the rookie that was turned into a Prime.
4th - That's not really the "Nova Corps". There was considerebaly (emphasis on considerably) less than what a Nova Corps in full strength would have in terms of manpower.
5th - Gladz and the Imperial Guard only took down a part of an already meager number of rookie corpsmen. The rest were with Richie when he was dealing with Ego.

On panel we seen Gladiator split a Centurian in half, one shot punch a Centurian that was taking Nova Prime place and we seen him choke another to sleep. That's all I need to see bro.

Originally posted by carver9
On panel we seen Gladiator split a Centurian in half, one shot punch a Centurian that was taking Nova Prime place and we seen him choke another to sleep. That's all I need to see bro.

You don't know how bad that sounds, do you...

Originally posted by -Pr-
You don't know how bad that sounds, do you...

Originally posted by carver9
On panel we seen Gladiator split a Centurian in half, one shot punch a Centurian that was taking Nova Prime place and we seen him choke another to sleep. That's all I need to see bro.
jawdrop

Bah. I was hoping to see some back and forth here by peeps who knew enough about both characters. Oh well phuck it lol. Nova places him in a gravity node and goes home to screw Namorita. Or maybe Gamora. Or dr Necker.

Originally posted by dmills
Bah. I was hoping to see some back and forth here by peeps who knew enough about both characters. Oh well phuck it lol. Nova places him in a gravity node and goes home to screw Namorita. Or maybe Gamora. Or dr Necker.
Before or after kon punches his teeth out? Arguing with cely is useless.

lol

So your allegiance extends even to bastardized clones, eh?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol

So your allegiance extends even to bastardized clones, eh?
I support the characters with feats to back up. Like oneshotting Ursa who was curbstomping supergirl and was about to break her neck
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13913137_07.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
I support the characters with feats to back up.

Curious why you're not supporting Nova, then.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Curious why you're not supporting Nova, then.
Kon has better feats and can potentially oneshot nova with TTK?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I support the characters with feats to back up. Like oneshotting Ursa who was curbstomping supergirl and was about to break her neck
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13913137_07.jpg

He had help.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kon has better feats and can potentially oneshot nova with TTK?

Better feats? One shotting Nova with TTK?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ba3uD7XQ1rz2cbjo2_400.gif

You almost got me.

Originally posted by carver9
He had help.
Help of steel?Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Better feats? One shotting Nova with TTK?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ba3uD7XQ1rz2cbjo2_400.gif

You almost got me.
Not in space cheese but in combat feats. He oneshotted BL Kal-L with it, what's funny about it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Help of steel?
Not in space cheese but in combat feats. He oneshotted BL Kal-L with it, what's funny about it?

Yes...he had help with Steel. The same steel that had a prolong fight against Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes...he had help with Steel. The same steel that had a prolong fight against Doomsday.


Steel's energy blasts were no sold by random kryptonians and Ursa most likely did too.

'Space Cheese'.

Dear God I hate that term.

High end feats are almost invariably space cheese.

Nova's feats of power are far superior. That's what matters. And Superboy isn't faster, and arguably he's slower.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
'Space Cheese'.

Dear God I hate that term.

High end feats are almost invariably space cheese.

Nova's feats of power are far superior. That's what matters. And Superboy isn't faster, and arguably he's slower.
Yeah, its most redundant way of looking at fights. Nova is faster in travel speed, conner is faster in combat. He raced kid flash to a standstill.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
'Space Cheese'.

Dear God I hate that term.

High end feats are almost invariably space cheese.

Nova's feats of power are far superior. That's what matters. And Superboy isn't faster, and arguably he's slower. Smart man.

Lol nobody is punching Nova's teeth out brother. And he's damn sure not being oneshot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, its most redundant way of looking at fights. Nova is faster in travel speed, conner is faster in combat. He raced kid flash to a standstill. How is racing from point a to b a combat feat?

Originally posted by dmills
Lol nobody is punching Nova's teeth out brother. And he's damn sure not being oneshot.
I was joking, duh.
Wanna bet?

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13915615_BN-Superman3015.jpg

Originally posted by iceman24567
How is racing from point a to b a combat feat?
Keeping up with a flash in foot race isn't indicative of combat speed?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Keeping up with a flash in foot race isn't indicative of combat speed? Its a race so no

Kon had help v Ursa. Krypto and Steel, etc.

@ABHI...

Glad you finally decided to you turbohosting.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Its a race so no
It is a combat speed feat.

Originally posted by -Pr-


Kon had help v Ursa. Krypto and Steel, etc.
Meh, it was minor help at best. He has also overpowered PG and an alternate supergirl simultaneously.

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...

Glad you finally decided to you turbohosting.
Its good.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It is a combat speed feat. No it was a race no combat involved

Originally posted by iceman24567
No it was a race no combat involved
That's a pretty narrow definition of combat speed. If he can run at a speed close to kid flash, he can also punch at that speed. He has also kept up with superman in foot race in Superman 155 and 220, where he was losing but not by much.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Its a race so no

Reacting to the environment, which they have to avoid, is the reflex feat.

Which is combat applicable.

If they simply ran in a straight line with no need to maneuver, then its not combat applicable.

but that's travel speed...? Why would he be able to punch at that speed just because he run at it? It's an actual question, not just me being snippy.

edit: nvm CC's post clears it up a bit

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Reacting to the environment, which they have to avoid, is the reflex feat.

Which is combat applicable.

If they simply ran in a straight line with no need to maneuver, then its not combat applicable. Not saying racing across the planet isn't a speed/reflex feat but its a far cry from an actual combat feat trees and mountains wont be trying to attack you while you are racing.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Not saying racing across the planet isn't a speed/reflex feat but its a far cry from an actual combat feat trees and mountains wont be trying to attack you while you are racing.
He wasn't trying to punch trees and mountains. By that token, flash would be only lightspeed fast.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't trying to punch trees and mountains. By that token, flash would be only lightspeed fast. Says the guy claiming Superboys combat speed feats are superior to Nova due to a race. Connor doesnt display combat speed as consistent as Nova does and i actually see Nova blitzing Connor rather than the other way around.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Says the guy claiming Superboys combat speed feats are superior to Nova due to a race. Connor doesnt display combat speed as consistent as Nova does and i actually see Nova blitzing Connor rather than the other way around.
With two races with superman, thank you.

He doesn't need to blitz every other month to blitz nova.

Feel free to post all those scans of nova blitzing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
With two races with superman, thank you.

He doesn't need to blitz every other month to blitz nova.

Feel free to post all those scans of nova blitzing.

Bottom line is speed isn't the issue here. Nova can hang with the likes of Superboy when it comes to speed. I'll even call it a wash for durability and damage soak even though Richie prolly beats him in those departments. Nova is more versatile and ultimately more powerful. He wins this.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Bottom line is speed isn't the issue here. Nova can hang with the likes of Superboy when it comes to speed. I'll even call it a wash for durability and damage soak even though Richie prolly beats him in those departments. Nova is more versatile and ultimately more powerful. He wins this.
No.

No.

Versatility means squat when your opponent can disintegrate your armor with just a touch.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

No.

Versatility means squat when your opponent can disintegrate your armor with just a touch.

No.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wanna bet?

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13915615_BN-Superman3015.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

No.

Versatility means squat when your opponent can disintegrate your armor with just a touch.

Hmmph. That armor, (along with Richard healing) can be repaired with a gesture.

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/5918/nova15zonemeganpg11.jpg

Also that armor is one of two things that keeps Rider's power dampened. Prolly not a good idea for Conner to go messing with it... Not that'd he'd ever get past the shields anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was joking, duh.
Wanna bet?

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13915615_BN-Superman3015.jpg

Nova even as a regular centurion still let loose gravimetric pulses capable of harming Supernova.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322167215188.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322167228364.jpg

Going to hit the sack. Nite snitches.

Originally posted by dmills
Hmmph. That armor, (along with Richard healing) can be repaired with a gesture.

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/5918/nova15zonemeganpg11.jpg

Also that armor is one of two things that keeps Rider's power dampened. Prolly not a good idea for Conner to go messing with it... Not that'd he'd ever get past the shields anyway.



Nova even as a regular centurion still let loose gravimetric pulses capable of harming Supernova.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322167215188.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322167228364.jpg
I didn't see anything special there. Nova got his armor torn open and sealed it up. Nothing relevant if it gets completely destroyed. He was leaking nova force, he couldn't control it. Also conner can destroy force-fields with TTK. Not that is necessary, his strength is sufficient for that.

Nice scans, but there is a difference between harming and oneshotting. The same Kal-L pushed entire JSA's shit in

Originally posted by abhilegend


http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3004005.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3006.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3010011.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3012013.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3014015.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3016017.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3018019.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3020021.jpg

Originally posted by dmills
Going to hit the sack. Nite snitches.
Night bro.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I didn't see anything special there. Nova got his armor torn open and sealed it up. Nothing relevant if it gets completely destroyed. He was leaking nova force, he couldn't control it. Also conner can destroy force-fields with TTK. Not that is necessary, his strength is sufficient for that.

Nice scans, but there is a difference between harming and oneshotting. The same Kal-L pushed entire JSA's shit in

erm.. no.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
erm.. no.
Excellent point. I would do my best to counter it, its hard though.

erm....yes.

Nova Prime takes this handily

Wtf is going on with photobucket? I'm trying to post scans but damn it.

Originally posted by dmills
Wtf is going on with photobucket? I'm trying to post scans but damn it.


Turbohosting.

Superboy has like 3-4 retardedly above his level feats.

I don't know if that's potential or just "Let's make Superman... no wait, Boy do it"

The Boy of Super that beats up Prime, and Black Superman wins.
Nova probably wins when you take everything as a whole.

"the boy of Super"

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Superboy has like 3-4 retardedly above his level feats.

I don't know if that's potential or just "Let's make Superman... no wait, Boy do it"

The Boy of Super that beats up Prime, and Black Superman wins.
Nova probably wins when you take everything as a whole.
Richie has his share of "rising above" showings...