Originally posted by Arhael
Then Exile gives him third chance to make it right. And of course he does it wrong again. Instead of going back to Republic to ring alarm bells he tries to take down Vitiate again.
Your dumb@ssary just keeps on getting better. The Sith Emperor had imposed MARTIAL LAW, genius. Revan and his companions had no choice but to stay for a while.
Please re-read SWTOR Revan novel.
Originally posted by Arhael
And on entrance he politely left his comrades behind, why would he need them? He is so awesome that he doesn't need anyone to handle some old Sith.
Revan tasked Scourge and Meetra to prevent the Imperial Guard from helping the Sith Emperor and join him inside the throne room against the Sith Emperor. Revan's plan actually worked but that idiot Scourge changed his mind at the crucial moment.
Originally posted by Arhael
Of course he gets handled again. Exile died and Republic is still in the dark that there is danger in unknown regions.
It is understandable that trusting a Sith was risky decision; Scourge did help the Jedi against Nyriss and set the stage for re-attempt at the assassination of the Sith Emperor. But Scourge' sudden change of mind came as a shocker.
As a plot device, this makes sense due to Revan being an iconic figure and he wouldn't have stopped in his effort to bring down the Sith Emperor whenever given the chance. But his story had to be linked with that of TOR.
I understand that many fans feel that TOR ruined Revan' story. However, I personally believe that both koTOR 2 and TOR undermined Revan' story.
Originally posted by Arhael
Getting captured three times by the same Sith, he must be really "unordinary Jedi" to fail so much.
He wasn't captured 3 times by the same Sith.
Hist first capture was by Karath; his second capture was by Nyriss; and his third capture was by Vitiate.
If Revan' (captured) history amuses you; here is a better example:
Count Dooku was once captured by a band of criminals/scum. This holds true for Anakin, Kenobi and Luke.
Luke got captured several times by different individuals during the course of his life.
Originally posted by Arhael
Then JK wakes him up only to get assassinated by a random Sith, what a waste.
Who told you that Revan is dead? He survived as per the available hints.
Originally posted by Arhael
Same goes for Drew Karpshyn's books. His characters look so much more powerful than any characters in other books because he made them to look like that.
Revan novel does seems to be rushed. However, fights in it are good.
Specially Revan's fight with Nyriss is bad@ss; short but epic.
Originally posted by Arhael
Apparently not much considering that her lightning is "inventively" weaker, than Vitiate's.
What a sound reasoning.
Nyriss' signature FLS was deadly enough to incinerate above-average (powerful) Force-wielders simultaneously.
Neither Scourge and nor Meetra were actually defenceless against Force Lightning. They easily tolerated bursts of Force Lightning which were lethal enough to reduce normal people in to smoking husks in a second or two. However, Nyriss' signature FLS was immensely lethal.
As far as Vitiate is concerned; he is THE MASTER of the Force - capable of pushing boundaries.
Originally posted by Arhael
Star Destroyer will always be size of Star Destroyer.
Of course, influencing the movement of a Star Destroyer would have required immense power.
But you are not getting my intended point. Sometimes, feats - not big in sheer scale - require incredible power to pull off.
As an example: some debators often claim that Dooku needed more effort to block every single lightsaber blow from angry Anakin then he needed to overwhelm the defences of Kenobi and rip apart and throw large objects at him. If this claim is true then it supports my point.
Originally posted by Arhael
However, even Sidious' lightning couldn't make a single burn on Windu's skin, nothing comparing to charring to ashes instantly. It's not hard to distinguish a hyperbole from realistic feat. Yes, yes. Marek's feat is realistic. He did it by prolonged channeling. Dorsk 82, for example, demonstrated FAT more impressive TK feat than just redirecting course of already falling ship.
Marek' feat was possible with full concentration in a non-combat situation. I have read the TFU novel and I can easily provide details to ascertain my point.
Another example is from Luke; when he decided to manipulate a small blackhole - he sat down on a chair and fully concentrated on doing this feat alone. He was not in a combat situation during this time.
We have yet to see what Revan can do with full concentration. However, his accomplishments aren't small.
Originally posted by Arhael
Vitiate dominated hundreds Sith lords, consumed entire planet, casually handled Revan who casually handled Nyriss. And then... lost to a Jedi Knight on his own territory in the middle of darkside nexus. Even more well thought out. :
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Sidious who wreaked havoc with his Force powers lost to Luke (DE incarnation). Even more well thought out.
Originally posted by Arhael
Let's see.
Revan by deflecting lightning bolt back at Vitiate puts him on his ass. Then instead of using the momentary advantage like a retard waits until Vitiate stands up, charges up and pawns him.
Here;
Revan knew he was gathering his power to unleash a swirling storm of pure dark side energy, just as Nyriss had done. The Jedi quickly calculated his options. Realizing he couldn't close the gap between them quickly enough to stop the assault, he gathered his own energy and spread his hands before him, ready to catch and absorb the Emperor's attack. (SWTOR: Revan)
Originally posted by Arhael
In comparison Marek engaged Sidious after wasting power on defeating Vader.
Great logic!
Revan engaged Malak after wasting power on defeating Bastilla and an army of droids. Heck, he engaged Bastilla after wasting power on Sith forces before reaching her position. In spite of all of this waste of power, he was victories in the final encounter and on Star Forge nonetheless.
Originally posted by Arhael
In cut-scene partially blocked his lightning with lightsaber, partially dodged it and than Force handled Sidious with TK and had him at his mercy. And after he refused to strike him down and Sidious unleashed his lightning again Marek still resisted it unlike Revan and stalemated Sidious until explosion.
You shouldn't use cutscenes to support your point. Consult TFU novels instead.
Sidious initially pretended to be defenceless because he wanted to turn Marek to dark side (He used similar strategy against Luke later on.) When Sidious realized that Marek wouldn't turn; then the former got serious and stopped the latter with his Force Lightning barrage.
I am not saying that Marek wasn't capable of Force-pushing Sidious or whatever; however, the duel gets interesting when both are hell bent to destroy each other.
You should fool someone who knows little about TFU; not me.
Originally posted by Arhael
Logically Marek >>>>> Revan because Revan didn't Force handle the most powerful Sith Lord but got casually handled by another one instead.
When Sidious became serious, the fight resulted with Marek exploding with a bang that did squat to Sidious. How embarrassing.
In contrast, Revan' duel with another DARK SIDE MASTER was entirely serious. Revan did put Vitiate on his @ss TWICE. Not to forget that Vitiate was using his original body during this particular fight; peak strength and endurance.
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I know you have been OWNED.
But the Force is strong with you. Become my apprentice and I will teach you well like I taught Neph.
