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Nova 8/10

The Ray for the solid majority.

Meh. Nova absorbs him.

Originally posted by dmills
Meh. Nova absorbs him.
Good luck with that.

Originally posted by zopzop
Good luck with that.

Do u think this would be a good fight?

It would be but IMHO, Ray takes this. Total control of the EM Spectrum, solid light constructs, indestructible energy form (Lobo tried his best to kill Ray and failed miserably), etc...

Didnt he also take on sime of the jla at once?

Can't remember, but his fight with Lobo was epic. People forget, Lobo hit ray with ANTI-MATTER and Ray not only survived he didn't even lose consciousness and pulled himself together pretty quickly.

That was damn impressive. He should have been dead.

Originally posted by zopzop
Can't remember, but his fight with Lobo was epic. People forget, Lobo hit ray with ANTI-MATTER and Ray not only survived he didn't even lose consciousness and pulled himself together pretty quickly.

That was damn impressive. He should have been dead.

Not only that, but he can also go light speed eaaily.

Originally posted by zopzop
It would be but IMHO, Ray takes this. Total control of the EM Spectrum, solid light constructs, indestructible energy form (Lobo tried his best to kill Ray and failed miserably), etc...

And therein lies his downfall. Nova can control, absorb and manipulate ANY energy source. Including gravimetric nodes, which cut off electromagnetic energy, psionic energy and even magic based energy.

Nova bends the Ray over and then slowly does this

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Originally posted by dmills
And therein lies his downfall. Nova can control, absorb and manipulate ANY energy source. Including gravimetric nodes, which cut off electromagnetic energy, psionic energy and even magic based energy.

Nova bends the Ray over and then slowly does this

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NO.

That's why I mentioned the Anti-Matter incident. If Ray has that much control over his form that even being assaulted by Anti-Matter didn't destroy him, Nova ain't absorbing anything from Ray except a brutal beating.

Originally posted by zopzop





NO.

That's why I mentioned the Anti-Matter incident. If Ray has that much control over his form that even being assaulted by Anti-Matter didn't destroy him, Nova ain't absorbing anything from Ray except a brutal beating.

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As the Ray lays there beaten and broken in a catatonic heap, Rich says "Mmmm tasty".

Originally posted by dmills
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As the Ray lays there beaten and broken in a catatonic heap, Rich says "Mmmm tasty".
Dream on my friend!

Ray will bitchslap Nova Taliban style :
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Originally posted by zopzop
Dream on my friend!

Ray will bitchslap Nova Taliban style :
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Nova loves pain. He'd take those slaps and then return the favor with interest ... Anti Taliban style

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Has nova ever absorbed someone on rays level?

Originally posted by dmills
Nova loves pain. He'd take those slaps and then return the favor with interest ... Anti Taliban style

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t413/mdmills/1619713_o.gif
Well played my brother, well played.


Nova still gets his ass kicked though

Originally posted by zopzop
Well played my brother, well played.


Nova still gets his ass kicked though


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Originally posted by Golgo13
Has nova ever absorbed someone on rays level?

Faulty premise. Couldn't I easily flip that around and ask has the Ray ever resisted absorption from someone on Nova's level?

Zops example of anti matter is a good example imo. Other than thar I could see this going either way.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Zops example of anti matter is a good example imo. Other than thar I could see this going either way.

Granted.

I'd like you to consider my argument for a moment. Nova has the ability to generate Nodes that are made of the same gravimetric energy that his shields are made from. He's used those nodes to trap beings of energy before. Psionic energy to be exact. Harrow was powerful in his own right. Able to cloak himself psionically to escape detection from galactus, fighting evenly with Nova etc.

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Here Nova is shielding himself and others from Quasar's energy form letting off massive omnidirectional blast.

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Weaponized energy form of Black Bolt's voice...

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Arguing that Rider would somehow physically defeat a being a pure energy is an exercise in futility. This is why I argue that he could contain the ray in a hyper gravimetric node and thus incapacitate him. Still counts as a forum win.

Originally posted by dmills
Granted.

I'd like you to consider my argument for a moment. Nova has the ability to generate Nodes that are made of the same gravimetric energy that his shields are made from. He's used those nodes to trap beings of energy before. Psionic energy to be exact. Harrow was powerful in his own right. Able to cloak himself psionically to escape detection from galactus, fighting evenly with Nova etc.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1353207256574-picsay.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1353207346202.jpg


Here Nova is shielding himself and others from Quasar's energy form letting off massive omnidirectional blast.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322272167993.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322272179056.jpg

Weaponized energy form of Black Bolt's voice...

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Arguing that Rider would somehow physically defeat a being a pure energy is an exercise in futility. This is why I argue that he could contain the ray in a hyper gravimetric node and thus incapacitate him. Still counts as a forum win.
Trapping a psionic entity doesn't proves he can trap Ray though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Trapping a psionic entity doesn't proves he can trap Ray though.

Well, the equation is simple. If Ray can get out of Nova's gravimetric constructs then it won't work. If he can't, then it will work. As a starting point I've shown them holding an seemingly ntangible psionic being, withstanding Quasar letting off and omnidirectional blast, Blackbolt's weaponized vocal emissions etc.

Unless he can ko ray then it wouldnt constitute as a win here. Remember ray has faxwd beings in novas weight class. Green lantern, lobo, ca, etc...

Well I dunno then. I could argue the absorption thing but that'll be stretching past the point of reasonable conjecture. I fold my hand here for now. Chow gents.

Originally posted by dmills
Well, the equation is simple. If Ray can get out of Nova's gravimetric constructs then it won't work. If he can't, then it will work. As a starting point I've shown them holding an seemingly ntangible psionic being, withstanding Quasar letting off and omnidirectional blast, Blackbolt's weaponized vocal emissions etc.
That wasn't my point. He was also incapacitated by a ship's engine drive firing off.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That wasn't my point. He was also incapacitated by a ship's engine drive firing off.

Lol. Touche brother.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That wasn't my point. He was also incapacitated by a ship's engine drive firing off.

Mr. Cherry picker . That is a low (not gas station low ) for him, but it doesn't discount his many other ridiculously high durability feats.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mr. Cherry picker . That is a low (not gas station low ) for him, but it doesn't discount his many other ridiculously high durability feats.
First Mr. stick in the butt, I wasn't serious there hence the smilie. Second you don't have to defend nova by using a showing which from context isn't a low showing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
First Mr. stick in the butt, I wasn't serious there hence the smilie. Second you don't have to defend nova by using a showing which from context isn't a low showing.

U thought I was? Sigh.. Anyway Nova wins.

Oh you two lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Trapping a psionic entity doesn't proves he can trap Ray though.

And while the feat is impressive, the trick didn't work a second time. Meaning, it's already proven as reversible.

In his heyday, Ray was called either "most powerful" or "potentially most powerful" all the time, even on teams that once included Superman and Martian Manhunter.. Triumph, who can control the EM spectrum, got trounced by him a few times, and was awed by his power level and potential..

But Ray does have a glaring weakness.. Cut him off from a light source, and he's basically like the Nuclear man in Superman 4. His supply will dwindle fast. I don't think Richard can exploit this though..

Nova. Tactically more sound. Good fight though.

Id think ray has grown over the years just like nova. He even has sime good feats in FF.

He's formidable and powerful, but Nova's been more tested in trial by fire like situations and has shown a greater grasp on battle tactics and strategy, imo.

the og ray has shown to be pretty tactictical as well and his sin isnt far off.hell dcnu ray has shown to use his powers in new and innovative ways.

Ray (stan) is more ruthless than either of them.

Originally posted by cdtm
And while the feat is impressive, the trick didn't work a second time. Meaning, it's already proven as reversible.

In his heyday, Ray was called either "most powerful" or "potentially most powerful" all the time, even on teams that once included Superman and Martian Manhunter.. Triumph, who can control the EM spectrum, got trounced by him a few times, and was awed by his power level and potential..

But Ray does have a glaring weakness.. Cut him off from a light source, and he's basically like the Nuclear man in Superman 4. His supply will dwindle fast. I don't think Richard can exploit this though..

Actually it was never elaborated upon how he escaped. He was just inexplicably gone and, "figured out how to escape" or some such. Rider was attempting to make another more powerful node, but iirc that's when the thrust of the ship ko'd him.

Nodes specifically cut off nexus points in the transmission of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum. Sound as well. The Nova comics take the concept a step further by having him being able to trap psionic energy and even cut off magic based transmissions. But it's a moot issue since golgo won't allow incapacitation in this thread anyway.

Originally posted by dmills
Actually it was never elaborated upon how he escaped. He was just inexplicably gone and, "figured out how to escape" or some such. Rider was attempting to make another more powerful node, but iirc that's when the thrust of the ship ko'd him.

Nodes specifically cut off nexus points in the transmission of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum. Sound as well. The Nova comics take the concept a step further by having him being able to trap psionic energy and even cut off magic based transmissions. But it's a moot issue since golgo won't allow incapacitation in this thread anyway.

Well what I meant is if he can ko him through cutting off his energy source than it will count aa a win. Simply trapping someine wont do it here.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Well what I meant is if he can ko him through cutting off his energy source than it will count aa a win. Simply trapping someine wont do it here.

I don't know about KOing him unless he can't remain conscious without exposure to photons or whatever. In any case I also think that a good sized gravimetric pulse could dispurse him long enough to count as a ko. The Ray is an interesting puzzle to solve and now my interest is genuinely piqued. Let me dig through my Nova scans for a minute.

How is nova experience with fightung beibgs who can go ftl speeds drom the get go?

Originally posted by dmills
I don't know about KOing him unless he can't remain conscious without exposure to photons or whatever. In any case I also think that a good sized gravimetric pulse could dispurse him long enough to count as a ko. The Ray is an interesting puzzle to solve and now my interest is genuinely piqued. Let me dig through my Nova scans for a minute.

Basically, without constant stream of energy he can't even maintain his energy form.

So he'd suffocate in space, or simply be vulnerable to a KO, or any number of things..

Prove Nova can cut off his outside energy sources (Usually direct sun and starlight), and you'd have him. (This also assuming the way Ray's powers works counts as "general information".. I'm not really sure how many people really knew about his weaknesses, outside of his father and a few others...)

Originally posted by Golgo13
How is nova experience with fightung beibgs who can go ftl speeds drom the get go?

Unless we're talking Flashes here no one's speed is a problem for Nova. Even the new guy sees things in slow motion while covering parsecs in minutes.

Originally posted by dmills
Unless we're talking Flashes here no one's speed is a problem for Nova. Even the new guy sees things in slow motion while covering parsecs in minutes.
Uh-oh.

Edit: Wrong thread

Originally posted by dmills
Edit: Wrong thread

Don't act like you've never done it before

Originally posted by dmills
Unless we're talking Flashes here no one's speed is a problem for Nova. Even the new guy sees things in slow motion while covering parsecs in minutes.

I believe it was ray who said he can keep up with flash. Have to re read vol 1 of ff.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I believe it was ray who said he can keep up with flash. Have to re read vol 1 of ff.

That's a pretty bold claim by him. For that to be valid (Flash level speed) I'm going to need to see some hard evidence. Evidence that includes reaction and perception details. I only say that because of what Flash level speed encompasses. If it were anyone else I prolly wouldn't ask for such stringent evidence.

As it stands right now ftl speed is nothing troublesome for Rider.

Originally posted by dmills
That's a pretty bold claim by him. For that to be valid (Flash level speed) I'm going to need to see some hard evidence. Evidence that includes reaction and perception details. I only say that because of what Flash level speed encompasses. If it were anyone else I prolly wouldn't ask for such stringent evidence.

As it stands right now ftl speed is nothing troublesome for Rider.

Not any real feats, it was stan who claimed this when he was racing around the world at ftl speeds. He was kinda arrogant too, so... Either way im no too sure who wins this. O say toss up.

Originally posted by dmills
Unless we're talking Flashes here no one's speed is a problem for Nova. Even the new guy sees things in slow motion while covering parsecs in minutes.

Yep. We get to see a pretty descriptive explanation of how Novas perceive their surroundings when going ftl. The helmet feeds their brain information forcing the wearer to multitask. He goes on to explain how the mind slows down so he can react to dodge asteroids and such then speeds up so "seconds in between don't drag like years." Something about one brain separated by two rates of velocity. The Nova force pretty much enables them to process information in such a way so they can react accordingly when going ftl and so they won't lose their minds.

I was going to vote for Nova until I looked at Celey post. Ray stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
I was going to vote for Nova until I looked at Celey post. Ray stomps.

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Originally posted by carver9
I was going to vote for Nova until I looked at Celey post. Ray stomps.
you and me Carver.. U and me.

Double post. Btw.. I feel the same way when u add to Hulk vs. threads. Sonovaaaa....

Originally posted by celeyhyga17


Yep. We get to see a pretty descriptive explanation of how Novas perceive their surroundings when going ftl. The helmet feeds their brain information forcing the wearer to multitask. He goes on to explain how the mind slows down so he can react to dodge asteroids and such then speeds up so "seconds in between don't drag like years." Something about one brain separated by two rates of velocity. The Nova force pretty much enables them to process information in such a way so they can react accordingly when going ftl and so they won't lose their minds.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/dw5nad.gif

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Double post. Btw.. I feel the same way when u add to Hulk vs. threads. Sonovaaaa....

so wrong. Just cold blooded.

On the real though...Nova wins 8/10. Come at me prepman.

Stop acting like you read anythibg with ray, carver.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Stop acting like you read anythibg with ray, carver.

He comin at ya!! Wuchoo gonna do?

I'm agonna laugh!

Originally posted by dmills
That's a pretty bold claim by him. For that to be valid (Flash level speed) I'm going to need to see some hard evidence. Evidence that includes reaction and perception details. I only say that because of what Flash level speed encompasses. If it were anyone else I prolly wouldn't ask for such stringent evidence.

As it stands right now ftl speed is nothing troublesome for Rider.

Ray was traveling around the universe under his own speed, without using stargates or anything while carrying Black Canary. He did have some perception problems, though.. One problem was dealing with the possibility of overshooting his solar system. But he was also inexperienced in interstellar travel, and had no such problems racing Impulse in Young Justice (They never raced to a conclusion, it was just something they usually baited each other over)

But in terms of raw speed, he can move fast enough to break the time barrier in either direction.

cdtm should post some of those high end feats for Ray in the Magneto vs Ray thread.