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Bane, pre-DC reboot version

VS

William Corvinus, from the Underworld films


They are fighting in the Colosseum. They are fighting to the death. They know nothing of each other prior to the fight. Bane does not have Venom, but he's at his peak without it. William Corvinus is in his werewolf form, which he cannot change back from. There are no weapons around, this is strictly a hand-to-hand fight.

It took one of the 5 most powerful characters in the series to kill him, and at the time he'd been starved for 800 years.

William takes this.

William rips Bane apart. Bane without venom doesn't have the strength or durability to survive a fight with him.

Just because it was only MIchael that killed the starved Werewolf elder doesn't mean it requires people of insane capability to kill him - they were the only people left to fight them, that was all.

If they had a single soldier who had a brain and silver nitrate rounds, he could just fill his skull with the rounds and be done with it. >.>

Originally posted by KingD19
It took one of the 5 most powerful characters in the series to kill him, and at the time he'd been starved for 800 years.

William takes this.
That was due to nothing other than how the story was written, dude. It's got nothing to do with how powerful William is.

See this:

Originally posted by Warakia
Just because it was only MIchael that killed the starved Werewolf elder doesn't mean it requires people of insane capability to kill him - they were the only people left to fight them, that was all.

If they had a single soldier who had a brain and silver nitrate rounds, he could just fill his skull with the rounds and be done with it. >.>

With that in mind; Opinions?

Originally posted by Betterman
William rips Bane apart. Bane without venom doesn't have the strength or durability to survive a fight with him.

Perhaps, but Bane is far smarter and more skilled than William, and he is still physically superhuman without Venom.

Full platoons of Vampire Knights with Silver Blades couldn't kill him. Only trap him. And the only way they pulled that off was because Marcus helped.

bane gets his back broken

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Being smarter and more skilled won't help him here due to how much physically superior William is. Bane is not in William's league without venom and gets killed easily.

It's opinion, aye, but it's a damn solid opinion that makes sense. -.-

You know very well it could happen. And I know it didn't (which doesn't mean it couldn't have).

Originally posted by KingD19
Full platoons of Vampire Knights with Silver Blades couldn't kill him. Only trap him. And the only way they pulled that off was because Marcus helped.
I was under the impression they were trying to capture him, not kill him.

Viktor wanted him dead because his bite was much more infectious than the new gen Lycans and he was turning entire villages, which meant less food for the vamps.

But as Marcus was his sire and William his brother, he couldn't outright kill him without getting in trouble. So while Marcus thought he was going to talk to William, Viktor tricked him and caught him. They probably could have killed him eventually, but it would have taken a whole lot of them.

Originally posted by Betterman
Being smarter and more skilled won't help him here due to how much physically superior William is. Bane is not in William's league without venom and gets killed easily.
Skill and intelligence always help unless you are far more outclassed than Bane is here. William was killed by the inexperienced and unintelligent Corvin, who was very strong and fast, the latter much more so than Bane, but William was physically equal to him, and yet he still got killed by him. William was killed by someone who is, in comparison to the incredibly old and vicious werewolf, a rabid child. And, again, Bane is still physically quite a way above humans without without Venom.


Originally posted by KingD19
Full platoons of Vampire Knights with Silver Blades couldn't kill him. Only trap him. And the only way they pulled that off was because Marcus helped.
They were trying to capture him, not kill him.


Originally posted by Warakia
I was under the impression they were trying to capture him, not kill him.
Exactly.

William was killed by Michael who is a hybrid and the strongest of both species in Underworld. Michael by the way is not unintelligent and yeah he make lack experience but he sure as hell has the power to make up for it. Skill and intelligence mean nothing here when your opponent is so physically superior to the point they can rip you apart with ease.

Corvin is far from intelligent. He is indeed a hybrid, and lacks the weaknesses of both vampires and werewolves, but, as evidenced by his fights with certain members of both species, he's not exactly miles above them. He was equaled by Viktor and William in his fights with them, and he didn't even kill Viktor in the end.

William is superhumanly strong, and, probably, fast, but so is Bane, even without Venom, so the difference in their physical capabilities isn't as big as you think.


Originally posted by KingD19
Viktor wanted him dead because his bite was much more infectious than the new gen Lycans and he was turning entire villages, which meant less food for the vamps.

But as Marcus was his sire and William his brother, he couldn't outright kill him without getting in trouble. So while Marcus thought he was going to talk to William, Viktor tricked him and caught him. They probably could have killed him eventually, but it would have taken a whole lot of them.
Yes, Viktor deliberately had William caught and not killed, and enough of those soldiers could have killed him.

William is not equal to Michael. As shown by Marcus, Hybrids are far stronger than even Vamp or Lycan Elders.

He lifted a portcullis gate that weighed at least 10 tons judging by how thick it was and how wide it was. He shoulder charged a deuce and a half off the road, and yanked a helicopter out of flight.

Even Selene as a Vampire/Pure Immortal Strain was strong enough to shouldercharge a van and send it rolling.

Also, the only reason Micheal lost against Viktor is because Viktor was a centuries old warrior with literally hundreds of years of combat experience. Micheal was minutes into fighting. He was just outclassed and not accustomed to his speed and strength, which far outweighed Viktors.

Yeah to be fair to Michael he had just turned into a hybrid for the first time as well.

Originally posted by KingD19
Viktor wanted him dead because his bite was much more infectious than the new gen Lycans and he was turning entire villages, which meant less food for the vamps.

But as Marcus was his sire and William his brother, he couldn't outright kill him without getting in trouble. So while Marcus thought he was going to talk to William, Viktor tricked him and caught him. They probably could have killed him eventually, but it would have taken a whole lot of them.
Disagree on the numerical figure - they were able to capture him. If they wanted to kill him, they'd have done so via the capturing method then fill him up with crossbolts til he dropped dead with limited causalities.

Course then again people in movies don't really do things tactically like that... >.>

could have put this in the normal movie versus thread.

Originally posted by KingD19
William is not equal to Michael. As shown by Marcus, Hybrids are far stronger than even Vamp or Lycan Elders.

He lifted a portcullis gate that weighed at least 10 tons judging by how thick it was and how wide it was. He shoulder charged a deuce and a half off the road, and yanked a helicopter out of flight.

Even Selene as a Vampire/Pure Immortal Strain was strong enough to shouldercharge a van and send it rolling.

Also, the only reason Micheal lost against Viktor is because Viktor was a centuries old warrior with literally hundreds of years of combat experience. Micheal was minutes into fighting. He was just outclassed and not accustomed to his speed and strength, which far outweighed Viktors.
So? Corvin doesn't become some kind of combat master between fighting Viktor and fighting William. He lacks the experience and intelligence, especially concerning combat, to match Bane in those catergories. And, again , Bane is still super strong without Venom.

How strong is Pre-52 Bane without Venom?

Bane is described as being peak human without Venom, but he's still able to keep up with Batman without it, and is often shown to be superhuman without it, although not to the same degree, obviously. Of course, it depends on what is meant by peak human, but regardless, he is capable of partaking in fistycuffs with William. Think the Kingpins kind of strength.

William tears a peak human with no exotic weapons apart.

Or at least bites him and makes a hastey retreat and waits for Bane to become one of his children.