Will the Original cuts of the OT get released?

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C-3POTheClever
Now that Disney's boughs Lucasfilm, do you reckon we'll get the Original Trilogy released in their 'Original Versions'? A lot of people sseem to think & hope that'll be the case. Do you think it will? Do you want it to be? I persoally hope that they release both versions on the same disk, so people who love the Original versions can watch them & people like me who like the upgrade in special effects can watch the edited editions.

focus4chumps
the OT and PT belong to fox, not lucasfilm.

http://www.slashfilm.com/20th-century-fox-still-owns-rights-to-first-six-star-wars-films-making-original-box-set-difficult/

so whether or not they release the classic trilogy will be up to fox

good news: no egos standing in the way anymore.

bad news: george lucas edited the original negatives. so the only way it could be done would either be reverse-editing to get as close to the original as they can, or perhaps using an existing reel, though im not knowledgable enough on that sort of matter to know if its even possible to do that.

OB1-adobe
Originally posted by C-3POTheClever
Now that Disney's boughs Lucasfilm, do you reckon we'll get the Original Trilogy released in their 'Original Versions'? A lot of people sseem to think & hope that'll be the case. Do you think it will? Do you want it to be? I persoally hope that they release both versions on the same disk, so people who love the Original versions can watch them & people like me who like the upgrade in special effects can watch the edited editions.

I'm not sure if 20th Century Fox is still out of the picture.


Disney owns Marvel studios which made the Avengers and all of those films, and they own the characters now. Yet they were still distributed by Paramount.


Disney basically bought the production company LFL, and the rights of Star Wars, which Lucas got the most out of it. They might still go through Fox. I don't know it's all behind the scenes business, and who gets what. Blow jobs and handshakes

focus4chumps
Originally posted by OB1-adobe
I'm not sure if 20th Century Fox is still out of the picture.


Disney owns Marvel studios which made the Avengers and all of those films, and they own the characters now. Yet they were still distributed by Paramount.


Disney basically bought the production company LFL, and the rights of Star Wars, which Lucas got the most out of it. They might still go through Fox. I don't know it's all behind the scenes business, and who gets what. Blow jobs and handshakes


really?

roughrider
If the OT without all the enhancements get released, the look between the two series will be much more glaring. Just satisfying a vocal minority while a new generation has grown up seeing the PT first, watching The Clone Wars and reading all the EU lit...it wouldn't be good business to do it, now.

focus4chumps
Originally posted by roughrider
vocal minority

im sure you have evidence to back this claim to be anything beyond a wish.

C-3POTheClever
Originally posted by roughrider
If the OT without all the enhancements get released, the look between the two series will be much more glaring. Just satisfying a vocal minority while a new generation has grown up seeing the PT first, watching The Clone Wars and reading all the EU lit...it wouldn't be good business to do it, now.
U so agree on that! I myself really hope that just the original cuts won't get released, for it just wouldn't look right with the PT & possibly even the ST (which isn't out yet). I think it would be a good idea though, to release both versions on one disk so people who love the Original versions & hate the changes can watch them & people who like them can watch the newer versions. But I certainly don't think they should just release the Original cuts. I mean, the PT & the OT is inconsistant enough as it is. It'd be even worse if the OT was left the way it was when it was made.

focus4chumps
so....classic triligy release would be bad because it would make a lot of people happy who want it and would upset fans of the special editions...even though it would not have any impact on the edited versions.

yet somehow its the people who want the CT released who are the irrational whiners.

darthmaul1
Originally posted by C-3POTheClever
U so agree on that! I myself really hope that just the original cuts won't get released, for it just wouldn't look right with the PT & possibly even the ST (which isn't out yet). I think it would be a good idea though, to release both versions on one disk so people who love the Original versions & hate the changes can watch them & people who like them can watch the newer versions. But I certainly don't think they should just release the Original cuts. I mean, the PT & the OT is inconsistant enough as it is. It'd be even worse if the OT was left the way it was when it was made.

Let's face it, there are things alot of us would keep in the special editions and things we would remove.
I don't know why this day in age they couldn't release a bluray with the option to pick if you want the added scene played or not or the alternate scene played or not for every scene that was added or altered.
for me the effects need to be tweaked a bit. (Lukes saber in bens house)
but i would remove greedo kind of shooting first, remove the whole jabba scene in ep4, put boba's voice back from the original, take vader saying noooo out of jedi, i could go on.

roughrider
Originally posted by focus4chumps
so....classic triligy release would be bad because it would make a lot of people happy who want it and would upset fans of the special editions...even though it would not have any impact on the edited versions.

yet somehow its the people who want the CT released who are the irrational whiners.

They're the ones who can't get on with their lives, aren't they?

focus4chumps
Originally posted by roughrider
They're the ones who can't get on with their lives, aren't they?


i find it fascinating, the level of immaturity which drives some to belittle people online simply because they would like an original cut of the trilogy made available.

what i find even more fascinating is how said release would somehow ruin their experience of the edited versions.

Sadako of Girth
Yeah Roughrider, I agree with Focusforchumps...whats the beef with the anti-choice thing..?

Lord Lucien
"Choice is the enemy of Order and Predictability. To love them is to fear Choice."
---probably nobody.

C-3POTheClever
Originally posted by darthmaul1

for me the effects need to be tweaked a bit. (Lukes saber in bens house)
but i would remove greedo kind of shooting first, remove the whole jabba scene in ep4, put boba's voice back from the original, take vader saying noooo out of jedi, i could go on.
I can not for the life of me understand why the lightsaber colours haven't been fixed! I agree that it would be better if Han shot first, I kinda like the Jabba scene, but to me it's always been there, so I'm probably looking at that fro the wrong point of view, Boba Fett's original voice was undoubtably better, but because he's a clone of Jango Fett, he should have the same voice as Jango (although, he was in a different part of the gallexy, so I suppose it's possibe that he wouldn't have the same accent). They most certainly should get rid of the NOOO. That was just such an unnessasery change!

darthmaul1
Originally posted by C-3POTheClever
I can not for the life of me understand why the lightsaber colours haven't been fixed! I agree that it would be better if Han shot first, I kinda like the Jabba scene, but to me it's always been there, so I'm probably looking at that fro the wrong point of view, Boba Fett's original voice was undoubtably better, but because he's a clone of Jango Fett, he should have the same voice as Jango (although, he was in a different part of the gallexy, so I suppose it's possibe that he wouldn't have the same accent). They most certainly should get rid of the NOOO. That was just such an unnessasery change!

They can add pointless rocks infront of R2 (that no one had a problem with) but they can't truely fix the light sabers.

roughrider
Originally posted by focus4chumps
im sure you have evidence to back this claim to be anything beyond a wish.

The gi-normous box office of the prequels, the huge DVD sales of the Special Edition OT, the record setting sales of the six film set on blu-ray...

I could go on, but I let the numbers speak for me. How many do you think refused to buy into anything regarding the Special Editions and the PT on pure principle?

roughrider
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yeah Roughrider, I agree with Focusforchumps...whats the beef with the anti-choice thing..?

Because they are owned by George Lucas, and if anyone understands anything about what he values most as a filmmaker, it's control over his work. Read his biography Skywalking or watch the documentary about the founding of American Zoetrope (whcih coincided with his debut feature, THX-1138) and you'll hear the horror stories of studio interference, of people taking his films away from him when they didn't even understand them; both THX-1138 and American Graffiti soon after. That's the sort of thing he used his profits and control post Star Wars to get away from forever. To have control over his films and not be dictated to by producers, studio executives, or even fans.

Whatever 'enhanced' version of Star Wars he puts out, it's the one he wants out there, that he will stand by. No one has to buy it if they don't want to. And yet they have.

Sadako of Girth
Aye I bought the Blurays myself, along with DVDs, the VHSs, and every other format.

But still.. it'd be awesome to have HD versions mastered from the original trilogy for nostaligia and historic reasons, among others.

focus4chumps
Originally posted by roughrider
The gi-normous box office of the prequels

does not take into account ticket prices. hint: in 1977 the average movie ticket was $2.23, nor was there nearly as much of a foreign box office market. it takes no account to box current office trends. to compare dollars from 1977 to today is ridiculous. the closest anyone has done is adjust box office sales accounting for inflation, in which ep4 blows ep1 out of the water.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

Originally posted by roughrider
the huge DVD sales of the Special Edition OT, the record setting sales of the six film set on blu-ray...

since the original cut was not offered there was no basis for comparison, and use of words like "huge" and "gi-normous" amount to nothing more than puffery.

Originally posted by roughrider
I could go on, but I let the numbers speak for me. How many do you think refused to buy into anything regarding the Special Editions and the PT on pure principle?

the numbers do not speak for you.
there are no numbers to reflect the people who would buy classic trilogy blu-rays. your absolutist conclusion (if someone buys the SE blu-ray they are against the release of a classic trilogy) is completely fallacious.

Originally posted by roughrider
Because they are owned by George Lucas

wrong again. fox owns right to the OT and PT.

roughrider
Originally posted by focus4chumps



wrong again. fox owns right to the OT and PT.

I'll let Kevin Spacey say it best, below... big grin

Fox does not own the rights to the Star Wars saga. If they did, they could have made any number of films after ROTJ in 1983 right up until TPM in 1999, and past that. George Lucas owned the rights, and just had a distribution contract with Fox for the films. They could not make a film unless he wanted to. Even before the sale with Disney, he's had The Clone Wars series running for years on a network owned by Warner Bros., not Fox, and they couldn't do anything about it. The only thing that is a hitch in Disney's ownership of Lucasfilm, is Fox has the right to distribute the old films on disc until about 2020, holding up any ultimate collection that includes future films. That's all Fox owns.

And who was getting into comparisons of what the PT grossed versus the OT? Not me. It's known that adjusting for inflation that Gone With The Wind and Star Wars are still No. 1 & 2 all time.

How about getting back to basic math?

The combined amount George Lucas spent on the three PT films - north of $350 million.

The combined worldwide gross of the three PT films - $2.5 billion.

THAT, is evidence of a blockbuster smash films series, my friend. not of a film series that NO ONE likes, as the media and certain fans keep putting it. And they all came back to buy the DVDs in huge numbers, AND again to buy the blu-rays in record numbers.
As far as George Lucas is concerned, if they films weren't popular they wouldn't keep coming back. But they have, and they still do. The perception some cranky fans still put out there after all these years, in no way reflects reality.

queeq
Originally posted by focus4chumps
bad news: george lucas edited the original negatives. so the only way it could be done would either be reverse-editing to get as close to the original as they can, or perhaps using an existing reel, though im not knowledgable enough on that sort of matter to know if its even possible to do that.

This is the bit that is hard to believe. I know Lucas said that, but frankly: no one cuts his negatives. Lucas is so obsessive about keeping and saving everything from his movies (he even has the original OT Sand trooper shoulder pads!), it is very hard to believe he has been cutting his negatives and throwing the rest away. No professional filmmaker believes someone would do that. Negatives are always kept in a safe.
So either Lucas has been lying or he's been not very smart. I'd like to know the truth about this one day. This is no way to treat movie history, especially from someone who used to fervently advocate preservation of national film heritage.

Sadako of Girth
There was the salt mine story too..

focus4chumps
Originally posted by roughrider
I'll let Kevin Spacey say it best, below... big grin

Fox does not own the rights to the Star Wars saga. If they did, they could have made any number of films after ROTJ in 1983 right up until TPM in 1999, and past that. George Lucas owned the rights, and just had a distribution contract with Fox for the films. They could not make a film unless he wanted to. Even before the sale with Disney, he's had The Clone Wars series running for years on a network owned by Warner Bros., not Fox, and they couldn't do anything about it. The only thing that is a hitch in Disney's ownership of Lucasfilm, is Fox has the right to distribute the old films on disc until about 2020, holding up any ultimate collection that includes future films. That's all Fox owns.

And who was getting into comparisons of what the PT grossed versus the OT? Not me. It's known that adjusting for inflation that Gone With The Wind and Star Wars are still No. 1 & 2 all time.

How about getting back to basic math?

The combined amount George Lucas spent on the three PT films - north of $350 million.

The combined worldwide gross of the three PT films - $2.5 billion.

THAT, is evidence of a blockbuster smash films series, my friend. not of a film series that NO ONE likes, as the media and certain fans keep putting it. And they all came back to buy the DVDs in huge numbers, AND again to buy the blu-rays in record numbers.
As far as George Lucas is concerned, if they films weren't popular they wouldn't keep coming back. But they have, and they still do. The perception some cranky fans still put out there after all these years, in no way reflects reality.


again, fox owns distribution rights to the existing films. this includes blu-ray. disney owns rights to the franchise. george lucas owns NOTHING. do some rudimentary research before continuing to make a spectacle of yourself.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tangled-rights-could-tie-up-384541

the complication in figuring out who has the rights to what in making a classic trilogy box set is between fox and disney.
george lucas is out of the picture.

queeq
Here's hoping for an OOT blu ray.

roughrider
Originally posted by focus4chumps
again, fox owns distribution rights to the existing films. this includes blu-ray. disney owns rights to the franchise. george lucas owns NOTHING. do some rudimentary research before continuing to make a spectacle of yourself.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tangled-rights-could-tie-up-384541

the complication in figuring out who has the rights to what in making a classic trilogy box set is between fox and disney.
george lucas is out of the picture.

Again - you said Fox owns( or owned) Star Wars, which has never been the case. If it was, they could have made the films without him. In the early 90's, when Lucas was mulling the prequels, he could have taken them to any studio to distribute, but chose ultimately to go back to Fox after they kindly footed the bill for restoration and everything that went into making the Special Editions in 1997. Distribution deals do not a franchise make. What's happening now is nothing but 'legalize' regarding the distribution of the old films to a certain date.

Anyone looking at the threads you've started in this forum sees you just live to troll all things George Lucas and the SW universe. You're just another 'fan' who continues to deny reality - the continuing successful reality of the PT and the ongoing EU. Saying it's all wrong and it shouldn't be like this doesn't change anything. I was in a theatre watching this back in 1977, and I continue to be a fan. If I didn't like what I saw, I would quit and do something else with my time rather than come on forums and complain.

focus4chumps
you can thumb your nose at the fact all you wish, but it only makes you look incredibly irrational, especially your segue into yet another childish and irrelevant ad hominem attack.

since cited evidence will continue to be ignored by you and since you can provide no evidence to support your ridiculous claim i suppose this discussion has reached its conclusion. unless you would like to post some more irrelevance and a super funny meme pic as a triumphant victory march?

Sadako of Girth
RoughRider:

Well Disney now own it, by your definition.
Have you seen the contracts? Do you know for sure that legally speaking that that was the exact construction of the arrangement between Lucas and Fox?


Prequels successful how..? 'Critically?' It was roasted by more critics than the previous movies due to it's stiff direction, lack of defined characters, suspense and 'live action' action, in addition to argueable lack of soul/humanity.. all of which the OT was chock full.

Commercially successful? Maybe so. But repeat box office comparing special edition box office to reshowings of the Phantom Menace should show you whats what there..

Fanwise...divided twofold. You may not like it but there are tonnes of fans that didnt like the prequels (certainly remembering how good the OT was) yet love the OT. And they might seem very inconvenient to your view, but their voices are as valid as yours.
One thing is for sure. I dont trust anyone who rates the PT above OT.

queeq
Fox owns the distribution rights. But I don't know how much say they have about WHAT's being distributed.

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