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Round 1: Hand to Hand
Round 2: Who is Stronger
Round 3: Full Powerset Morals Off/Bloodlust on
Round 4: Full Powerset in character

No BFR. No Prep.
Former Praetor of The Shi'ar
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The Prince of Asgard
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Thor in all four. Gladiator has a chance in the first one, but as it goes on, his chances decrease imo.

Gladiator in all 4

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Gladiator in all 4

Originally posted by -Pr-
Thor in all four. Gladiator has a chance in the first one, but as it goes on, his chances decrease imo.
Ughhh! Damn gladiator and his confidence issues.
What about if his confidence stays the same from start to finish?

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Ughhh! Damn gladiator and his confidence issues.
What about if his confidence stays the same from start to finish?


The only time his confidence drops is when he is facing someone inferior that withstands/tanks his attacks. People that he know he should be capable of running through. The only time, the only two times his confidence faltered was when Reed pretended like he was tanking his attacks and Cannonball absorbing his most powerful punch. It has never happened when facing someone as strong or stronger than him. This is a forum myth.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Ughhh! Damn gladiator and his confidence issues.
What about if his confidence stays the same from start to finish?

I wasn't talking about his confidence. I meant that as the list went on, each option more suited Thor than Gladiator, is all.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I wasn't talking about his confidence. I meant that as the list went on, each option more suited Thor than Gladiator, is all.
Ahhh i see! Than i have to say i disagree, i dont see thor beating (or matching) glads in strength. H2H yeah i give it to thor he is just more skilled. What are thors best strength feats?

Thor in all Four.

Glads is a weak mid herald at best

Glads wins round one and two, loses Hard in round three and four..

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Round 1: Hand to Hand
Round 2: Who is Stronger
Round 3: Full Powerset Morals Off/Bloodlust on
Round 4: Full Powerset in character


1. gladiator very very easily
2. Gladiator is significantly stronger
3. Gladiator because of speed
4. Thor may win this since Gladiator is pretty dumb and doesn't use speed a lot and does silly things like try to carry Hulk into space instead of just hitting him into space.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thor in all Four.

Glads is a weak mid herald at best Weak mid heralds don't bust planets with their bare hands, stalemate Tyrant in energy projection, affect Cyke when a supposedly high herald couldn't, fight at faster than light speeds, etc.

1. Thor 5.5/10. About as strong, better damage soak and more skilled.
2. About equal. You want to make a case for gladiator by punching a planet thrice to destroy it? Classic Drax oneshotted two planets back to back, ripped a star apart and was getting stalemated by captain mar-vell in h2h just a few pages later.
3. Thor.
4. Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
1. Thor 5.5/10. About as strong, better damage soak and more skilled.
2. About equal. You want to make a case for gladiator by punching a planet thrice to destroy it? Classic Drax oneshotted two planets back to back, ripped a star apart and was getting stalemated by captain mar-vell in h2h just a few pages later.
3. Thor.
4. Thor.
1. Glads is significantly stronger than Thor. This is a fact.
Drax destroyed planetoids, not planets.
Drax star feat was an energy base feat since one can't just grab sand and carry the beach. Stars are made of hot gasses, not solid one piece.
So either Mar-vell is as powerful as Drax or it was a low showing. Choose!
Lastly, it's not who you beat or who you stalemate, it's how you do it. Remember that.
2. Same as above
3. How would Thor win if Glads is fighting at full speed?

1. It isn't a fact. It's barely arguable.
3. Because Gladiator isn't fast enough/smart enough to completely outclass Thor speed wise.

Originally posted by h1a8
Weak mid heralds don't bust planets with their bare hands, stalemate Tyrant in energy projection, affect Cyke when a supposedly high herald couldn't, fight at faster than light speeds, etc. Terrax busted a planet so its no big deal and trying to make out it was with bare hands doesn't make it anymore impressive. Haha he never stalemated Tyrants Ep at all, their beams met and from then onwards Glads was going down, hell Jack of Hearts and Ganymede had more effect on Tyrant than Glads. Spiderman effected Thanos when he had the IG! Geuss that makes spiderman abstract lvl and random space ships fly around fighting at light speed.

Originally posted by -Pr-
1. It isn't a fact. It's barely arguable.
3. Because Gladiator isn't fast enough/smart enough to completely outclass Thor speed wise.

1. It's a fact. Just because some don't think so doesn't make it true.
2. Gladiator has the speed feats to say he can make Thor out to be a slow moving statue.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. It's a fact. Just because some don't think so doesn't make it true.
2. Gladiator has the speed feats to say he can make Thor out to be a slow moving statue.

1. Just because you think it is doesn't make it true. Or a fact.
2. No, he really doesn't. If Superman can't, Gladiator certainly can't.

thor in all four

1. Glad
2. Glad
3. Thor
4. Thor

1.Glad
2. Tough call but slight edge to Glads
3. Thor
4. Thor

1-2 split.
3-4 Thor

Edge to gladiator in the first assuming he keeps his speed

Thor in the rest

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Gladiator in all 4

lol

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Gladiator in all 4

This is vs Thor, not Iron-man.

Arch this is stupid...Thor in all 4

thor in 3/4 thor is FAR supperior hand to hand gladiator shows some very impressive strength feats i think hes stronger and then 3 and 4 thor just destroys

Thor is Stronger, more skilled and more powerful Gladiator will do well in the first well but it wont be good enough, Thor sweeps all 4 especially the last two favors Thor more than Gladitor.

1. Gladiator
2. Thor or tie
3. Gladiator
4. Thor

3 and 4 Thor steamrolls Gladitator it's not even close, last time thy fought Thor beat him so bad, Gladiator even admit that Thor was to strong and too powerful for him to beat Thor.

Gladitator ain't tanking Anti Force blast, God Blast, Vortex barrier rtc

3. Goes to Gladiator.

Thor is leagues more powerful and more versatile, but Gladiator is leagues faster. As in thousands of times faster.

Neither has the durability to simply ignore what the other can do, so Gladiator would get the KO first with full power/cis off fight.

Thor pummels Gladiator in 4 though.

Lol.

Anyways, Thor wins all four. The first two are the closest, third and fourth less so.

How does Thor win a full capacity, blood lusted fight when he does not have reflexes anywhere close to Gladiator's?

One moves and thinks on the order of nanoseconds. The other, microseconds at best, and both are on panel descriptions of their speed.

Originally posted by -Pr-

2. No, he really doesn't. If Superman can't, Gladiator certainly can't.

Why can't superman? even current DCnU superman's speed feats far outclass Thor. logically speaking, thor SHOULD BE a statue compared to him.

As a God Thor can see things differently and with his historicity dealing with speedsters and perceive speedsters, Gladiator speed will not be his ace in the hole :/ Thor hammer is faster than Gladiator, and can counter any offensive Gladiator throws at Thor which wouldn't be too much, 3 and 4 favors Thor more, he has centuries on top of centuries of fighting blood-lusted and with no moral holding him back. We saw in B&T Thor did too SS, BRB, Dr. Strange and Infinity Watch and people are going to say Gladiator has chance, hell no maybe the first one after that Thor punks him regardless, Gladiator wakes up with a bald fade in the ICU if he's lucky!!!

Originally posted by the Darkone
We saw in B&T Thor did too SS, BRB, Dr. Strange and Infinity Watch and people are going to say Gladiator has chance, hell no maybe the first one after that Thor punks him regardless, Gladiator wakes up with a bald fade in the ICU if he's lucky!!!
Glads is on par with SS, BRB and above Current strange. So thats noy saying too much.


Everybody who says glads/thor stomps the other one is an idiot.
All of these are close matchups.

If Thor's Godly 'perception speed' is not an answer here. It's basically a no limits fallacy to say he can react to anything because of it.

His Godly attributes give him great speed as a base, it does not mean he can simply perceive any speed if he tries to. He's able to swat away bullets with Mjolnir, and do other things that would not be humanly possible, but these kinds of feats are no better than what elite street levelers are capable of. The same kinds of elites--like Wolverine--whom we KNOW have a speed edge on him. His reflex speed, which we know is no better than Masterson Thor's, didn't keep the latter from being overwhelmed by Spiderman's speed either.

If Thor's perception/reflex speed was truly good enough to hit a CIS-less Gladiator, that would have to mean he has the perception/reflex speed to do similar things to Gladiator has done. Like you know, throw/block/perceive punches, operate complex machinery etc at the nanosecond level.

There is no indication anywhere that he can do things like that. Thor is fast, very fast. But he's not Gladiator fast. He's not even Quicksilver fast.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Glads is on par with SS, BRB and above Current strange. So thats noy saying too much.


Everybody who says glads/thor stomps the other one is an idiot.
All of these are close matchups.

Gladiator was there he would have gotten embarrsed him damn self, Gladiator is powerful yes, but he's not Thor level of power, Thor will beat his a$$ like he did before.

No they are not close especially 3 and 4, Thor would ruined Gladiator day. Hell Gladiator got beat by Materson Thor who is softer than momma love, Thor rocked Gladiator when he stop holding back, Thor is vastly to stronger and more powerful than Gladiator, even Mohawk man admitted to it.

There has also been times where glads has punked thor. Everybody has low showings, like everytime thor has appeared lately.
You cant use just one bad showing and go off that.

Since when is it a low showing for a high herald to lose to another high herald when both use their abilities well, and no contradicting history exists? Glads losing to Masterson Thor is not a low showing. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/ermm.gif

I was referring to darkone saying if masterson can punk him thor could do it easily.

Oh ok. I don't think it'd be an easy fight anyway you can look at it.

thor

Lol...Masterson got thrashed by Gladiator and this was proven not to long ago when someone tried to use that fight as evidence and it backfired. Going the Masterson route doesn't prove a thing.

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff512/Thorshammmer/Thor%20feats/MastersonThorvsGladiator-1.jpg?t=1295915367

Stunned from a sneak attack of power that didn't even belong to Masterson. So basically, he had help. Before that scene, he admitted he couldn't beat Gladiator and got merked and punched until his body went limp.

Without help, Gladiator>>>>Masterson
With help, Masterson>Gladiator.

Lightning control doesn't belong to Masterson everybody.

Why was it a sneak attack? The initial slam from Masteron was but not the living lightning trick.

He was so limp he went on to beat Gladiator to near death.

Nope.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Why can't superman? even current DCnU superman's speed feats far outclass Thor. logically speaking, thor SHOULD BE a statue compared to him.

DCNU definitely hasn't shown enough speed to make that kind of assumption, imo.

Pre reboot is very, very fast, but Thor has shown himself able to respond to attacks very quickly, if not initiate them.

Masterson controlled living lightning. Living lightning isn't a part of Thor, its someone that was flying by (plot) during the time Masterson was on the ground limp saying that it feel like his bones is broken.

Lol...its a sneak attack because Gladiator was standing over his weak self laughing and Masterson controlled a power that wasn't his and backstabbed someone that again was standing over him laughing. When they were face to face duking it out, Masterson got crushed.

Yes, he admitted he couldn't hardly move. If he would have bounced up before hitting Gladiator with that sneak attack, he would have been put right back on that ground. Living lightning saved him. Deal with it, accept it..don't get why you don't understand this when everyone else that seen the fight that day basically agreed that Masterson got tooled. Whereas Thor had a prolong fight against Masterson..hehehe.

Originally posted by carver9
everyone else that seen the fight that day basically agreed that Masterson got tooled.

Pretty sure that's not true at all.

Originally posted by -Pr-
DCNU definitely hasn't shown enough speed to make that kind of assumption, imo.

Pre reboot is very, very fast, but Thor has shown himself able to respond to attacks very quickly, if not initiate them.


Nope.

Originally posted by carver9
Nope.

Quiet, boy.

Originally posted by carver9
Masterson controlled living lightning. Living lightning isn't a part of Thor, its someone that was flying by (plot) during the time Masterson was on the ground limp saying that it feel like his bones is broken.

Lol...its a sneak attack because Gladiator was standing over his weak self laughing and Masterson controlled a power that wasn't his and backstabbed someone that again was standing over him laughing. When they were face to face duking it out, Masterson got crushed.

Yes, he admitted he couldn't hardly move. If he would have bounced up before hitting Gladiator with that sneak attack, he would have been put right back on that ground. Living lightning saved him. Deal with it, accept it..don't get why you don't understand this when everyone else that seen the fight that day basically agreed that Masterson got tooled. Whereas Thor had a prolong fight against Masterson..hehehe.

so? Neither is Mjolnir. But he uses it as a tool. He clearly wasn't since he flew and beat the shit out of Gladiator without trouble.

So gladiator being a retard is somehow Masterson cheating lol? Then masterson getting up and Gladiator rushing him is also a cheap shot. right? It's a fight. It's hard to have cheap shots. Now had it been at the beginning...

No proof since it didn't happen. He bounced back just fine and beat the **** out of him using his powers. Living lighting < a standard bolt from Thor. Deal with it, accept it. Who's everyone? Don't use the opinions of others that you don't even know to reinforce your argument. I most certainly am not going to speak for anyone else when I'm debating.

lol? K. Thor was trying to get Mjolnir from Masterson. Not beat the shit out of him like Gladiator was trying. And Thor overpowered Masterson on three seperate occasions where as Gladiator couldn't even once hehehehehehehehehehehehe.

Originally posted by carver9
Nope.

yes.

Originally posted by carver9
Stunned from a sneak attack of power that didn't even belong to Masterson. So basically, he had help. Before that scene, he admitted he couldn't beat Gladiator and got merked and punched until his body went limp.

Without help, Gladiator>>>>Masterson
With help, Masterson>Gladiator. Yes, Living Lightning was a third party in that fight. But it's not like Masterson couldn't tap Mjolnir to summon lightning out of the blue anyway. More an episode of Masterson forgetting what powers he wielded until he was literally reminded of it.

Materson Thor beat the crap out of Gladiator, and then in Thor Vol 35 Gladiator sneak attack on Thor human host, Thor didnt understand why Gladiator is attacking got the best of him at that time, then when Thor came back for round two and not holding back Thor thrashed Gladiato.. No by no means a easy fight, but Thor being stronger of the two and more versatile and powerful, 3 and 4 favors more for Thor than Gladiator, Thor will unleashed ungodly powers that will just jack Glads up, and that's a fact.

After the beat down, Gladiator admits he cant beat Thor, because he is to strong and too powerful.

Originally posted by -Pr-
DCNU definitely hasn't shown enough speed to make that kind of assumption, imo.

Pre reboot is very, very fast, but Thor has shown himself able to respond to attacks very quickly, if not initiate them. Thor was only shown to respond to single energy beams from 30 or so feet away. This is not sufficient in proving he can respond to a speedster from 6-10 feet away or have the mobility to turn around if they decided to go around or behind him in a blink. There are different levels of speed. Being fast as a bullet means you are still a statue to someone like Superman or a gladiator. I don't even think Thor has the foot speed of a bullet to be honest.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Materson Thor beat the crap out of Gladiator, and then in Thor Vol 35 Gladiator sneak attack on Thor human host, Thor didnt understand why Gladiator is attacking got the best of him at that time, then when Thor came back for round two and not holding back Thor thrashed Gladiato.. No by no means a easy fight, but Thor being stronger of the two and more versatile and powerful, 3 and 4 favors more for Thor than Gladiator, Thor will unleashed ungodly powers that will just jack Glads up, and that's a fact.

After the beat down, Gladiator admits he cant beat Thor, because he is to strong and too powerful. Yet that fight is not indicative of what will happen in a forum fight. Glads being faster than spiderman would trump Masterson easily.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor was only shown to respond to single energy beams from 30 or so feet away. This is not sufficient in proving he can respond to a speedster from 6-10 feet away or have the mobility to turn around if they decided to go around or behind him in a blink. There are different levels of speed. Being fast as a bullet means you are still a statue to someone like Superman or a gladiator. I don't even think Thor has the foot speed of a bullet to be honest.

That was hardly Thor's best reaction/speed feat, why do you always comment on characters that you know almost nothing about?

Originally posted by Silent Master
That was hardly Thor's best reaction/speed feat, why do you always comment on characters that you know almost nothing about?

Of course it is. Thor has no reaction feats better than blocking energy beams from afar. And reaction feats aren't movement feats. Thor can't turn his body around faster than Gladiator or Superman can circle him. If a character can move more than 5ft before another can move 1 in then then latter character is a living statue. I probably know more about Thor than you do.

Originally posted by h1a8
Of course it is. Thor has no reaction feats better than blocking energy beams from afar. And reaction feats aren't movement feats. Thor can't turn his body around faster than Gladiator or Superman can circle him. If a character can move more than 5ft before another can move 1 in then then latter character is a living statue. I probably know more about Thor than you do.

Why do you always comment on characters that you know almost nothing about?

Originally posted by h1a8
I probably know more about Thor than you do.

facepalm

It's the truth.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's the truth.

The sad part is, you actually believe that.

Yes, but it's not sad when I know the truth.
I basically have seen every Thor top feat (strength wise and speed wise definitely).
It's a smart thing to study characters who you will argue against (in Superman vs. Thor debates).
I have probably almost all of Thor's appearances in digital form and about 50 or more in paper form.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, but it's not sad when I know the truth.
I basically have seen every Thor top feat (strength wise and speed wise definitely).
It's a smart thing to study characters who you will argue against (in Superman vs. Thor debates).
I have probably almost all of Thor's appearances in digital form and about 50 or more in paper form.

You honestly don't come across as being that knowledgeable on Thor. Just imo, no offence.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, but it's not sad when I know the truth.
I basically have seen every Thor top feat (strength wise and speed wise definitely).
It's a smart thing to study characters who you will argue against (in Superman vs. Thor debates).
I have probably almost all of Thor's appearances in digital form and about 50 or more in paper form.

LOL!!!!!

Having a bunch of comics =/= knowing the characters that appear in them.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You honestly don't come across as being that knowledgeable on Thor. Just imo, no offence.
I understand. But trust me, I'm a sleeper. I've been slowly expanding my collection on Thor comics and have a large percentage of them now. And this is after I've read quite a few Thor comics since I was young kid (my uncle left me a huge box of Thor comics). And after I studied long on his feats (through respect threads or scans people post throughout the years, etc.)

But most importantly I'm very keen to his feats since I need to be in order to arguing Superman winning against him, which is my heart in soul topic of comic debating.

Originally posted by h1a8
I understand. But trust me, I'm a sleeper. I've been slowly expanding my collection on Thor comics and have a large percentage of them now. And this is after I've read quite a few Thor comics since I was young kid (my uncle left me a huge box of Thor comics). And after I studied long on his feats (through respect threads or scans people post throughout the years, etc.)

But most importantly I'm very keen to his feats since I need to be in order to arguing Superman winning against him, which is my heart in soul topic of comic debating.


Ah....so you've just been pretending to be ignorant of his feats for the last several years?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Having a bunch of comics =/= knowing the characters that appear in them. True but I read at least 50 Thor comics completely. Others I just skimmed through trying to find feats or verify feats etc. So yes I know most if not all of thor's best feats, especially his strength and speed ones.

Originally posted by h1a8
True but I read at least 50 Thor comics completely. Others I just skimmed through trying to find feats or verify feats etc. So yes I know most if not all of thor's best feats, especially his strength and speed ones.

50 comics is only 4 years, Marvel Thor has been around since 1962.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Ah....so you've just been pretending to be ignorant of his feats for the last several years? No, people just assume I didn't know about them (very few I didn't though to be honest). I just disagree with the feat proving a person's case. Maybe I should have stated the feat well before my opponent in order to seem as if I'm knowledgeable and at the same time dullen their rebuttal.

Originally posted by Silent Master
50 comics is only 4 years, Marvel Thor has been around since 1962. Still a lot of comics to have read completely though. But I went through hundreds of others, skimming, searching, and verifying most of his feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
No, people just assume I didn't know about them (very few I didn't though to be honest). I just disagree with the feat proving a person's case. Maybe I should have stated the feat well before my opponent in order to seem as if I'm knowledgeable and at the same time dullen their rebuttal.

We assume that you don't know about Thor because your posts paint a picture of someone that has very little knowledge of the character he's talking about.

Hmmm...

Are you secretly learning more about Thor in order to join the Thor Corps, h1? mmm

I admit, it's a clever plot, lowballing and dismissing Thor's feats on a regular basis to avoid suspicion.

I love Thor alot and said countless times that if he had the speed of Superman he would spite stomp Superman 10/10 and probably be at least a trans being. Speed is mostly the reason I give Superman and Surfer the win against him. Otherwise he would be top herald IMO.

Originally posted by h1a8
I love Thor alot and said countless times that if he had the speed of Superman he would spite stomp Superman 10/10 and probably be at least a trans being. Speed is mostly the reason I give Superman and Surfer the win against him. Otherwise he would be top herald IMO.

See, I like Thor a lot too, but if you gave him explicit superspeed on the level of Kal or around that degree, I don't see him spite stomping Superman or any other top tier herald. He certainly wouldn't be trans.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
See, I like Thor a lot too, but if you gave him explicit superspeed on the level of Kal or around that degree, I don't see him spite stomping Superman or any other top tier herald. He certainly wouldn't be trans.

I disagree. You agree that his versatility is what keeps him in the game against Superman right? If you take away Superman's best advantage, which is speed then there is no way for Superman to win. Thor being as fast as Superman would open up astronomical more options for him to beat Superman that didn't exist before, same against Surfer too.

Originally posted by Damborgson
so? Neither is Mjolnir. But he uses it as a tool. He clearly wasn't since he flew and beat the shit out of Gladiator without trouble.

So gladiator being a retard is somehow Masterson cheating lol? Then masterson getting up and Gladiator rushing him is also a cheap shot. right? It's a fight. It's hard to have cheap shots. Now had it been at the beginning...

No proof since it didn't happen. He bounced back just fine and beat the **** out of him using his powers. Living lighting < a standard bolt from Thor. Deal with it, accept it. Who's everyone? Don't use the opinions of others that you don't even know to reinforce your argument. I most certainly am not going to speak for anyone else when I'm debating.

lol? K. Thor was trying to get Mjolnir from Masterson. Not beat the shit out of him like Gladiator was trying. And Thor overpowered Masterson on three seperate occasions where as Gladiator couldn't even once hehehehehehehehehehehehe.



yes.

Minus living lightning helping Masterson, show me one instance in that fight where Masterson had the advantage.

Carver ol buddy, don't keep me in suspense!

Originally posted by carver9
Minus living lightning helping Masterson, show me one instance in that fight where Masterson had the advantage.

is this a thing of yours? Respond with little to nothing to a large post that makes sense?

Really, if Living Lightning's presence is such a huge deal for why Masterson won, then the following question should be easy to answer.

How powerful is Living Lightning's form compared to Mjolnir's energy/lightning damage output?

I mean, if anyone is dumb enough to try and argue that Living Lightning being crashed into Gladiator > Mjolnir's power output, they deserve to be laughed at.

Originally posted by Damborgson
is this a thing of yours? Respond with little to nothing to a large post that makes sense?

I ask again, before Gladiator got tagged in the back by living lightning, can you show me an instance where Masterson had an advantage? I can post scans of Gladiator having an advantage throughout the entire fight before getting stunned. Can you?

Originally posted by Damborgson
is this a thing of yours? Respond with little to nothing to a large post that makes sense?

u mad?

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/custom_avatars/avatar123635_14.gif

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Really, if Living Lightning's presence is such a huge deal for why Masterson won, then the following question should be easy to answer.

How powerful is Living Lightning's form compared to Mjolnir's energy/lightning damage output?

Lol...Masterson hit Gladiator with a blast that bounced completely off of Gladiator chest. The only time Masterson got an advantage was during a sneak attack.

Originally posted by carver9
I ask again, before Gladiator got tagged in the back by living lightning, can you show me an instance where Masterson had an advantage? I can post scans of Gladiator having an advantage throughout the entire fight before getting stunned. Can you? Good for you champ, I can post the fight to.



Masterson Thor vs Gladiator, from Thor #445:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator01445.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator05.jpg


so? Living lighting is just a tool Thor used. Had it been standard Mjolnir summoned lighting, it would have had the same effect. If not more tbh.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
u mad?

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/custom_avatars/avatar123635_14.gif


Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Masterson hit Gladiator with a blast that bounced completely off of Gladiator chest. The only time Masterson got an advantage was during a sneak attack.

And even that noob blast he shot glads with caused him noticeable pain.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Masterson hit Gladiator with a blast that bounced completely off of Gladiator chest. The only time Masterson got an advantage was during a sneak attack.

Doesn't answer the question in my post you quoted.

Do you or do you not think Living Lightning > Mjolnir's power output?

Keep in mind Masterson Thor's n00bness often effected his power level and he often forgot about his own capabilities.

Carver, so help me god you better not be ignoring my PM.

sneer

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doesn't answer the question in my post you quoted.

Do you or do you not think Living Lightning > Mjolnir's power output?

Keep in mind Masterson Thor's n00bness often effected his power level and he often forgot about his own capabilities.

I know for a FACT Masterson and Thor have the power to drop any Herald just like I know Gladiator have the power (he didn't use his heat vision or ice breath against Masterson) to drop both Thor and Masterson. Sad thing is, he displayed more power against Wonderman than Masterson and still stomped him before the sneak attack. Hell, Masterson only hits happened after stunning him with living lightning. Whooped de doo.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Carver, so help me god you better not be ignoring my PM.

sneer

Lol...my bad buddy, about to look at it now.

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carry on

Originally posted by carver9
I know for a FACT Masterson and Thor have the power to drop any Herald just like I know Gladiator have the power (he didn't use his heat vision or ice breath against Masterson) to drop both Thor and Masterson. Sad thing is, he displayed more power against Wonderman than Masterson and still stomped him before the sneak attack. Hell, Masterson only hits happened after stunning him with living lightning. Whooped de doo.

Carver, this isn't hard.

Answer the question, stop dodging, and be honest.

If you think Living Lightning was such a crucial element in Masterson's victory over Gladiator - keeping in mind as well that it was the repeated strikes with Mjolnir which would have killed him, not the "sneak attack" - do you or do you not believe that Living Lightning's energy form/body being summoned forcibly to strike Gladiator is greater than what Mjolnir can produce on its own?

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thor in all Four.

Glads is a weak mid herald at best

I already told you he could hurt Gladiator with his lightning and it would hurt a lot worse if it was a sneak attack like Masterson used against Gladiator. There's also the fact that Gladiator is weak to magic but again, Masterson did not have the luxury to do any of that during that fight...he was getting tossed around that entire fight and only had an opening when Gladiator stood above him laughing. With that said, don't understand why you are asking me that question.

So Mjolnir is capable of exceeding the Living Lightning? Especially if its magic, unlike LL?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Mjolnir is capable of exceeding the Living Lightning? Especially if its magic, unlike LL?


The first blast Masterson hit Gladiator with was magical and it bounced off Gladiator chest like nothing.

Originally posted by carver9
I already told you he could hurt Gladiator with his lightning and it would hurt a lot worse if it was a sneak attack like Masterson used against Gladiator. There's also the fact that Gladiator is weak to magic but again, Masterson did not have the luxury to do any of that during that fight...he was getting tossed around that entire fight and only had an opening when Gladiator stood above him laughing. With that said, don't understand why you are asking me that question.

I'm asking you this question because you seem to think, and have for as long as I can remember, that Living Lightning was the only thing that could have saved Masterson, which seems to imply, at least in my own opinion, that you think that Living Lightning is as powerful or more so than any natural damage Mjolnir could perform. Which is ridiculous.

Even more bizarre is you tendency to call it a 'sneak attack', even though Gladiator is standing right there, smugly looking at Masterson like he already won. He didn't turn his back, didn't end the fight, didn't verbally acknowledge they were done, but merely stood there like an idiot. And yet, in your mind, you somehow think that Masterson remembering he can summon lightning and doing so detracts away from the fight.

In a nutshell, that fight shows us what the vast majority of us already know; Gladiator can put up a fight against Thor, but once Thor stops holding back and/or remembers what he has at his disposal, he's simply beyond him.

You twisting that fight just to make an excuse for Gladiator is unbecoming of the character and yourself.

So you're saying no, the Living Lightning is more powerful than Mjolnir?

Originally posted by carver9
The first blast Masterson hit Gladiator with was magical and it bounced off Gladiator chest like nothing.

You realize that Mjolnir's power output can vary, right? Not all energy blasts/lightning bolts/hammer strikes are equal.

Hell, in that same fight, we see how his energy blasts can be shrugged off by Gladiator, but once he's focused, can implode stargates.

@Jake...

I ask again, show me one instance besides Masterson controlling living lightning for you to assume Masterson could have countered Gladiator pounding on him while he was on the ground, heat visioning him while he was on the ground, freezing him and then pounding on him while he was on the ground. Show me SOMETHING during that fight that makes you believe Masterson could have gained an advantage if Gladiator would have pressed his attack. You can't...we both know you can't because Masterson got worked that entire fight until he bolted lightning on top of Gladiators head.

I will be waiting on that scan.

Originally posted by carver9
@Jake...

I ask again, show me one instance besides Masterson controlling living lightning for you to assume Masterson could have countered Gladiator pounding on him while he was on the ground, heat visioning him while he was on the ground, freezing him and then pounding on him while he was on the ground. Show me SOMETHING during that fight that makes you believe Masterson could have gained an advantage if Gladiator would have pressed his attack. You can't...we both know you can't because Masterson got worked that entire fight until he bolted lightning on top of Gladiators head.

I will be waiting on that scan.

Key phrase, there, it would seem. What's to stop Thor from doing the same and bop, bolt some lightning down on top of Glad's head, and thus, winning?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You realize that Mjolnir's power output can vary, right? Not all energy blasts/lightning bolts/hammer strikes are equal.

Hell, in that same fight, we see how his energy blasts can be shrugged off by Gladiator, but once he's focused, can implode stargates.

Masterson stated it wasn't safe blasting Gladiator and it wasn't the correct approach either.

I'm hungry.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Key phrase, there, it would seem. What's to stop Thor from doing the same and bop, bolt some lightning down on top of Glad's head, and thus, winning?


Gladiator being fast enough and probably expecting a blast from Thor.

Carver, stop dodging the question.

Originally posted by carver9
The first blast Masterson hit Gladiator with was magical and it bounced off Gladiator chest like nothing.


Which is more powerful, Mjolnir's best energy attacks or Living Lightning?

Originally posted by carver9
@Jake...

I ask again, show me one instance besides Masterson controlling living lightning for you to assume Masterson could have countered Gladiator pounding on him while he was on the ground, heat visioning him while he was on the ground, freezing him and then pounding on him while he was on the ground. Show me SOMETHING during that fight that makes you believe Masterson could have gained an advantage if Gladiator would have pressed his attack. You can't...we both know you can't because Masterson got worked that entire fight until he bolted lightning on top of Gladiators head.

I will be waiting on that scan.

Masterson got worked...until he remembered he had powers to use at his disposal and promptly beat the shit out of Gladiator almost to the point of death.

Him summoning lightning, regardless of the source, in the midst of a fight - yes, they were still fighting - isn't a sneak attack. How you've twisted it into that definition is absurd.

Gladiator is literally standing right there. Both of them acted stupid in that fight, but Masterson was smart enough to change things up. Gladiator wasn't.

How does that make Gladiator superior to Masterson?

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator being fast enough and probably expecting a blast from Thor.

Now we're getting somewhere.

Now that we're at this point, and remembering our earlier tussles...

Scans of Gladiator showing enough battle nous to dodge lightning bolts, please. I always thought he tried tanking them (like a Superman), but you're the expert. Scans please of him, in character, dodging lightning.

@Jake...

Just like I thought, you couldn't show me anything. Gladiator stood over Masterson laughing...that's not him fighting, that's him parading. If he would have kept fighting, Masterson limp body would have been FAR worse for wear. Masterson took advantage of an opportunity and rained a partner down on Gladiator. Before the plot, Masterson was getting worked.

Originally posted by carver9
@Jake...

Just like I thought, you couldn't show me anything. Gladiator stood over Masterson laughing...that's not him fighting, that's him parading. If he would have kept fighting, Masterson limp body would have been FAR worse for wear. Masterson took advantage of an opportunity and rained a partner down on Gladiator. Before the plot, Masterson was getting worked.

What was the game changer?

Originally posted by carver9
@Jake...

Just like I thought, you couldn't show me anything. Gladiator stood over Masterson laughing...that's not him fighting, that's him parading. If he would have kept fighting, Masterson limp body would have been FAR worse for wear. Masterson took advantage of an opportunity and rained a partner down on Gladiator. Before the plot, Masterson was getting worked.

Which is more powerful, Mjolnir's best energy attacks or Living Lightning?

Originally posted by carver9
@Jake...

Just like I thought, you couldn't show me anything. Gladiator stood over Masterson laughing...that's not him fighting, that's him parading. If he would have kept fighting, Masterson limp body would have been FAR worse for wear. Masterson took advantage of an opportunity and rained a partner down on Gladiator. Before the plot, Masterson was getting worked.

Gladiator stood there at his opponent and stared him down. The fight was still going on, and Gladiator proclaimed he was going to kill him for the Sh'iar Empire. Him basking in his glory while watching Masterson tap Mjolnir to use its power is his own fault, not Masterson's. Masterson was even bantering, so Gladiator knew the fight was still going.

So again, how is Gladiator being an idiot a strike against Masterson? Hell, and while we're playing the "if" game, "if" Masterson remembered his powers early on in the fight, he would have achieved the same result as he did at fight's end.

Almost killing Gladiator.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Now we're getting somewhere.

Now that we're at this point, and remembering our earlier tussles...

Scans of Gladiator showing enough battle nous to dodge lightning bolts, please. I always thought he tried tanking them (like a Superman), but you're the expert. Scans please of him, in character, dodging lightning.

Is that all you want?

Ok.

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@Jake...

Let's not pretend like Gladiator used all of his powers against Masterson. Both were fighting in character and Masterson got demolished until LL saved his life.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Carver, stop dodging the question.

Originally posted by carver9
@Jake...

Let's not pretend like Gladiator used all of his powers against Masterson. Both were fighting in character and Masterson got demolished until LL saved his life.

Which is more powerful, Mjolnir's best energy attacks or Living Lightning?

Originally posted by carver9
Is that all you want?

Ok.

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Cool, yeah that's what I wanted. Now all we need are scans of who is more powerful, Living Lightning or Mjolnir....

Because we already know that Thor is more seasoned and experienced than either Storm or Masterson, right?

Originally posted by carver9
@Jake...

Let's not pretend like Gladiator used all of his powers against Masterson. Both were fighting in character and Masterson got demolished until LL saved his life.

Neither did Masterson.

Yet, Masterson was the one smart enough to do so - in character - and to the degree that he nearly slayed Gladiator.

But again, you bring up LL, which brings us back to the question you keep dodging.

Is Living Lightning more powerful than Mjolnir?

Yes, no, maybe, or you don't know?

It's not hard. I'm even giving you four choices.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool, yeah that's what I wanted. Now all we need are scans of who is more powerful, Living Lightning or Mjolnir....

Because we already know that Thor is more seasoned and experienced than either Storm or Masterson, right?

That scan kind of looks like she missed because he was already in-flight, rather than him dodging in response to the attack.

At Jake, I already told you I think Thor power output is greater than living lightning but again, Masterson never had the luxury of going exotic. Gladiator could have heat vision Masterson face off during the time they were in a grip stance but he didn't.

I also said Masterson played it smart and took advantage of an opening BUT if that opening/plot wasnt there, Masterson would have died.

Lol...Gladiator wouldn't have died, that was just word of mouth. A couple of panels after Mjlonir strikes, Gladiator was waking up.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool, yeah that's what I wanted. Now all we need are scans of who is more powerful, Living Lightning or Mjolnir....

Because we already know that Thor is more seasoned and experienced than either Storm or Masterson, right?

Thor isn't raining down lightning on anyone in character and let's not pretend lightning is faster than Gladiator because its not.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor isn't raining down lightning on anyone in character and let's not pretend lightning is faster than Gladiator because its not.

....Thor doesn't rain down lightning on anyone in character?

News to me, considering the many times he's done it.

Originally posted by carver9
At Jake, I already told you I think Thor power output is greater than living lightning but again, Masterson never had the luxury of going exotic. Gladiator could have heat vision Masterson face off during the time they were in a grip stance but he didn't.

I also said Masterson played it smart and took advantage of an opening BUT if that opening/plot wasnt there, Masterson would have died.

Lol...Gladiator wouldn't have died, that was just word of mouth. A couple of panels after Mjlonir strikes, Gladiator was waking up.

He was beat into unconsciousness and was at the mercy of Masterson, more so than when Gladiator had Masterson at a disadvantage.

And how in the hell do you get that Masterson would have died without "opening/plot" but Gladiator wouldn't have died if Masterson hadn't stopped hitting him with Mjolnir?

Lol...ok, I take that back...Masterson probably could have killed him during that point but Masterson was helpless to Gladiator 2 times during that fight and if Gladiator would have pressed his attacks, Masterson would have lost. Masterson couldnt beat Gladiator in a face to face match...that much was proven. He stunned him with a lightning from above, on a Gladiator that was standing above him with his hands on his hips, to gain an advantage. Don't get why you don't understand this.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Round 1: Hand to Hand
Round 2: Who is Stronger
Round 3: Full Powerset Morals Off/Bloodlust on
Round 4: Full Powerset in character

No BFR. No Prep.

Round 1: Gladiator
Round 2: Gladiator
Round 3: Thor (if Gladiator used his speed effectively I would pick him)
Round 4: Thor

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Round 1: Gladiator
Round 2: Gladiator
Round 3: Thor (if Gladiator used his speed effectively I would pick him)
Round 4: Thor

You already know plain and well why Gladiator is not stronger than Thor. So why would you say he is?

Originally posted by Damborgson
You already know plain and well why Gladiator is not stronger than Thor. So why would you say he is?
That opinion isn't shared across this board, and not by me.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Round 1: Gladiator
Round 2: Gladiator
Round 3: Thor (if Gladiator used his speed effectively I would pick him)
Round 4: Thor

I agree with this.

Opinions sometimes get mixed up with facts sadly. Just like the fact that the Hulk is stronger than Thor. It could be my opinion that Thor is stronger, but I'd still be wrong.

Basically, Gladiator vs. Thor is dependent on when Thor stops holding back.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Basically, Gladiator vs. Thor is dependent on when Thor stops holding back. Or if Glads used his speed effectively

Originally posted by h1a8
Or if Glads used his speed effectively

He did use his speed against Thor.

It was a factor, but even Masterson was shown capable of reacting to him, just like Thor was capable of reacting to Future! Gladiator. Much like Thor has been able to react to beings such as Hyperion, Sentry, Silver Surfer, etc.

Problem with clinging to this speed kills argument is that the comics simply don't support it to the degree that people think it would matter in reality. And decrying every moment where someone doesn't use their speed like someone on the forum would use it as PIS or doesn't count in favor for every moment where they've used speed to the absurd degrees that people argue for would be...well, silly for lack of a better word.

Extrapolating speed to a skewed degree we've never seen in the manner it's being argued in opens the flood gates for all kinds of ridiculous manners of debating based on powersets.

There is no way that you can react to someone without having comparable reaction speed.


If you can't imagine Thor building hightech machinery and such within nanoseconds and such, even if its a few nanoseconds longer than Gladiator's time, then you can't say that Thor is fast enough to hit Gladiator.

If Gladiator's mental reflexes match his own physical speed, how are his reflexes going to do against someone who moves so much slower than him like Thor? The answer, he's going to do very, very well.

If Thor was actually fast enough to react to a nanosecond level Gladiator--(which only gets referred to in relation to other like speedster bricks like Hyperion), then he would have no issues reacting to the likes of Spiderman or Wolverine, ever, both of whom we know are at least a bit quicker than him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He did use his speed against Thor.

It was a factor, but even Masterson was shown capable of reacting to him, just like Thor was capable of reacting to Future! Gladiator. Much like Thor has been able to react to beings such as Hyperion, Sentry, Silver Surfer, etc.

Problem with clinging to this speed kills argument is that the comics simply don't support it to the degree that people think it would matter in reality. And decrying every moment where someone doesn't use their speed like someone on the forum would use it as PIS or doesn't count in favor for every moment where they've used speed to the absurd degrees that people argue for would be...well, silly for lack of a better word.

Extrapolating speed to a skewed degree we've never seen in the manner it's being argued in opens the flood gates for all kinds of ridiculous manners of debating based on powersets. You mean he didn't use his speed on Thor. Yes I saw the fights. You know how fast Glads can move right?

Using examples of Thor reacting to other characters is immaterial since no character has used their top speed on Thor when Thor reacted to them. For instance, Thor reacting to Surfer when Surfer is moving far under his top speed is immaterial.

Nope, I'm not doing more than you do when you argue Thor. Thor could have done something a few times in comics (out of his career) and you would debate that it is a viable tactic since he has done it. See what I just did there?

The problem is you are dumbing down speedsters when they face Thor but never dumbing down Thor when he fights a team of metas and bricks. You have Thor doing all kinds of stuff that typically we really wont see him do more than 10% of the time. You can't have it both ways.

Lastly, you fail to realize that the writer of comics purposely have characters (like Superman and Surfer) engage much slower characters to create adversity (through bad writing) when in reality any fast character would stomp a much slower character the high majority of the time.

oh and Thor was sped up when he fought the future Gladiator.

Speed kills.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He did use his speed against Thor.

It was a factor, but even Masterson was shown capable of reacting to him, just like Thor was capable of reacting to Future! Gladiator. Much like Thor has been able to react to beings such as Hyperion, Sentry, Silver Surfer, etc.

Problem with clinging to this speed kills argument is that the comics simply don't support it to the degree that people think it would matter in reality. And decrying every moment where someone doesn't use their speed like someone on the forum would use it as PIS or doesn't count in favor for every moment where they've used speed to the absurd degrees that people argue for would be...well, silly for lack of a better word.

Extrapolating speed to a skewed degree we've never seen in the manner it's being argued in opens the flood gates for all kinds of ridiculous manners of debating based on powersets.



Speed is not a guarantee win, especially against somebody that can and has reacted well against speedsters, the real question is can Gladiator survive a onslaught from Thor not holding back and unleashing all of his powers, can Glaiator tank Thor most powerful blast like Godblast, Anti force, Thermo-blast etc I say no can Thor survive Gladiator best, yes!

Gladiator's not worthy of getting hit with Thor's big guns. Simple hammer to face will do.

This thread makes me want to ban superspeed...

Wait till you go into the Flash vs Hulks thread....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait till you go into the Flash vs Hulks thread....

ive actually been reading it lol

Originally posted by Damborgson
Opinions sometimes get mixed up with facts sadly. Just like the fact that the Hulk is stronger than Thor. It could be my opinion that Thor is stronger, but I'd still be wrong.
Really it's as clear as day Hulk is stronger than Thor, but the same can't be said when comparing Thor to Gladiator. Everything I've seen Thor do with strength (matching Hercules, matching Hulk in the earlier days, lifting the Serpents paw, leg pressing millions of tons etc) I can see Gladiator doing. On the other hand I don't see Thor destroying/moving planets with pure brute strength like Kallark can.

Originally posted by Damborgson
You already know plain and well why Gladiator is not stronger than Thor. So why would you say he is? For once I agree with you....no way Glads stronger than Thor....again my answer Thor in all 4

Originally posted by the Darkone


Speed is not a guarantee win, especially against somebody that can and has reacted well against speedsters, the real question is can Gladiator survive a onslaught from Thor not holding back and unleashing all of his powers, can Glaiator tank Thor most powerful blast like Godblast, Anti force, Thermo-blast etc I say no can Thor survive Gladiator best, yes!

Speed is a guaranteed win in a forum fight (provided it is enough). Because it makes total sense. Ignoring speed is talk of non sense and lying to oneself and makes a serious debate meaningless.

I wise man once said, "Using examples of Thor reacting to speedsters is immaterial since no speedster has used their top speed on Thor when Thor reacted to them. For instance, It is immaterial that Thor reacted to Surfer when Surfer was moving far under his top speed."

Thor can definitely put a hurting on Glads. But like I said Glads would be hitting Thor far more than Thor hitting Glads.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Really it's as clear as day Hulk is stronger than Thor, but the same can't be said when comparing Thor to Gladiator. Everything I've seen Thor do with strength (matching Hercules, matching Hulk in the earlier days, lifting the Serpents paw, leg pressing millions of tons etc) I can see Gladiator doing. On the other hand I don't see Thor destroying/moving planets with pure brute strength like Kallark can.

Of course it can. They're peers in strength, and in a fight that strength would likely be considered a wash, but if we sit and compare who is stronger, even by a little bit that would be Thor.

Um, it doesn't really matter if you can see Gladiator doing it or not. If he hasn't and Thor has the superior feats, then Thor is stronger. forget about midgard serpent or yggdrasil pushing while in a weakened form, even in general his strength feats trump Glads'.

You can't see Thor tearing apart a dead space rock by slamming into it then hitting it with his hardest strikes? k....well that's your perogative I suppose.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Of course it can. They're peers in strength, and in a fight that strength would likely be considered a wash, but if we sit and compare who is stronger, even by a little bit that would be Thor.

Um, it doesn't really matter if you can see Gladiator doing it or not. If he hasn't and Thor has the superior feats, then Thor is stronger. forget about midgard serpent or yggdrasil pushing while in a weakened form, even in general his strength feats trump Glads'.

You can't see Thor tearing apart a dead space rock by slamming into it then hitting it with his hardest strikes? k....well that's your perogative I suppose.
IYO.

Serpent and World Tree are unquantifiable anyways.

No I don't see Thor destroying a planet, dead or otherwise in 3 shots. Not when he never has and has struggled with mountain sized weight.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
IYO.

Serpent and World Tree are unquantifiable anyways.

No I don't see Thor destroying a planet, dead or otherwise in 3 shots. Not when he never has and has struggled with mountain sized weight.

It's a fact actually. My opinion would be that Thor is cooler looking or something. Something that can't be proven.

Their quantifiable enough to make them his bread and butter feats throughout his history.

He's never been put in the situation to do so. He's also struggled with skyscraper weight. So? His feats as a whole are still better.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't several Heralds destroyed a planet before....including Terrax.

In fact, wasn't a planet destroyed in the BRB/Stardust fight?

Beta Ray Bill destroyed one indirectly iirc. Sorrow's talking about just fists though.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Beta Ray Bill destroyed one indirectly iirc. Sorrow's talking about just fists though.

The Grey Hulk destroyed an asteroid 2x the size of the Earth and he's pretty much the weakest version of the Hulk.

Originally posted by Damborgson
It's a fact actually. My opinion would be that Thor is cooler looking or something. Something that can't be proven.

Their quantifiable enough to make them his bread and butter feats throughout his history.

He's never been put in the situation to do so. He's also struggled with skyscraper weight. So? His feats as a whole are still better.
It's ALL your opinion. If it were a fact then there wouldn't be a doubt in anyone's mind - much like the Hulk/Thor comparison - and everyone including myself would have listed Thor as stronger.

Quantify them then.

Of course he has, Thor's been off-world many many times. As a whole sure, not in strength.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't several Heralds destroyed a planet before....including Terrax.

In fact, wasn't a planet destroyed in the BRB/Stardust fight?

It's HOW you destroy a planet that proves strength.

Terrax used an axe, impressive but still not fists.

Surfer used blasts, impressive but still not fists.

Drax destroyed planetoids, not planets.

Thanos and Drax made the planet destroy itself. Impressive but no where near as impressive as destroying the planet directly. Just create an instability with less than planetary force and then let the planet take care of the rest.

BRB flew into a planet from afar traveling at great speeds.
Not only does this takes no strength whatsoever but Bill did it from a head start and not starting from up close. Just let Stormbreaker do all the work.

Grey Hulk used jet boots to help him. Impressive but not pure strength alone.