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Superman Wants To Brutally Kill Everything (Humans, Superheros, Supervillan everyone)

Who here gets killed, not a gaunlet


Wonder Man
Gorilla Grodd
Martian Manhunter
Black Adam
Captain Marvel
Hal Jordon
Power Girl
Cheeta
Captain Atom
BRB
Blue Marvel

Pre DCU characters

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Who here gets killed, not a gaunlet

Superman.

Is that everyone?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Is that everyone? The first guys he wants to kill

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman. he fights them 1 on 1 , but not in my order, i mean to say

I think he ends up dying.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
The first guys he wants to kill If he wants to kill EVERYone, he's sure given a limited choice.

Black Adam.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Black Adam. I Love This Guy

Non holding back Superman>>>>Black Adam and Adam never holds back.

Carver just lost all my respect earned this day.

I'll let the Biggest C deal with this tripe

Superman kills himself trying to kill Black Adam.

Billy points and laughs.

Originally posted by carver9
Non holding back Superman>>>>Black Adam and Adam never holds back. What Happen To You?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
What Happen To You?

Lol...when you voted against my precious Gladiator for Superman, I had to get you back.



We all know Black Adam without lightning>>>>an all out Superman.

Black Adam beats him.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...when you voted against my precious Gladiator for Superman, I had to get you back.



We all know Black Adam without lightning>>>>an all out Superman. You know what Carver, you're ok.

I don't see why people call you names like doofus, scallywag, rascal, ne'er-do-well, shitbrains, child molestor, and the worst thing I've ever seen that put his fingers in a child.

Lmao!

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You know what Carver, you're ok.

I don't see why people call you names like doofus, scallywag, rascal, ne'er-do-well, shitbrains, child molestor, and the worst thing I've ever seen that put his fingers in a child.


I screamed out laughing at work.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You know what Carver, you're ok.

I don't see why people call you names like doofus, scallywag, rascal, ne'er-do-well, shitbrains, child molestor, and the worst thing I've ever seen that put his fingers in a child.

why do you like black adam so much?

is batdude ok with your undying support for this super middle eastern cat?


sneer

Originally posted by carver9
I screamed out laughing at work.
Knew you'd appreciate it
Originally posted by CosmicComet
why do you like black adam so much?

is batdude ok with your undying support for this super middle eastern cat?


sneer

Black Adam was just a pureblood baby from the Godland (Germany) who got dropped off in the Godless Land.

I'm ok with you licking my balls though
Seriously, you can tongue the whole sack if you like

Originally posted by Branlor Swift


I'm ok with you licking my balls though
Seriously, you can tongue the whole sack if you like


Hahahahahaha...

Superman's killing spree ends when Darkseid reports his credit card was stolen.

carver wants Bran's dick, asap, at 100 times the speed of light.

He kills everyone in this gauntlet.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Who doesn't?

Don't even lie phildo. You know you want to touch my tip

Heroin is known to kill. As for why the dickens it found its way into this thread, I haven't a clue. Hopefully the entire DCNU becomes addicted though. That'd be a romp
Meh.

I liked your pre edit better

In all seriousness, Superman can beat this group--especially since apparently he's engaging them one-on-one.

I used to think Billy was a real equal to Clark, whether it was a holding back situation or not, but when you examine the evidence its not true.
You have to objectively come to the conclusion that at the very least, he's a shit ton faster than Billy (and thus Teth), such that we know that Superman is fast enough to be invisible to someone of even Billy's perception speed.

If he can beat CM or BA, he can beat anyone here.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I liked your pre edit better
Of course you did.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course you did. I know, that's why i said it

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Who doesn't?

Don't even lie phildo. You know you want to touch my tip Only if its before carver does it.

He'll leave it all saliva-dripped, and that shit is just gross.

You don't want Carver's komodo dragon saliva on you?

I thought you liked it hot... by that I mean burning and itchy, and leaves you in hives.

You're such a smooth talker.

How a double perfect stranger?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
In all seriousness, Superman can beat this group--especially since apparently he's engaging them one-on-one.

I used to think Billy was a real equal to Clark, whether it was a holding back situation or not, but when you examine the evidence its not true.
You have to objectively come to the conclusion that at the very least, he's a shit ton faster than Billy (and thus Teth), such that we know that Superman is fast enough to be invisible to someone of even Billy's perception speed.

If he can beat CM or BA, he can beat anyone here. Captain Marvel Held Lifted Weight

Originally posted by abhilegend
He kills everyone in this gauntlet.



I agree that Superman kills everyone.Then Blackheart forcibly takes his soul

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/BlackHeartPwnsSuperman-2.jpg

At least wash it first.

Otherwise, it'll be like kissing carver, and that shit's gay.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Captain Marvel Held Lifted Weight http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw9qg5hqAA1qd2f3fo1_500.gif

Originally posted by CosmicComet
In all seriousness, Superman can beat this group--especially since apparently he's engaging them one-on-one.

I used to think Billy was a real equal to Clark, whether it was a holding back situation or not, but when you examine the evidence its not true.
You have to objectively come to the conclusion that at the very least, he's a shit ton faster than Billy (and thus Teth), such that we know that Superman is fast enough to be invisible to someone of even Billy's perception speed.

If he can beat CM or BA, he can beat anyone here.

http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/th_271_Superman_v2_216_Page_10_Image_0001.jpg

"In the blink of even your eye I can be in the center of Metropolis."

Originally posted by Igniz


I agree that Superman kills everyone.Then Blackheart forcibly takes his soul

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/BlackHeartPwnsSuperman-2.jpg
Before spiderman and daredevil KTFO blackheart?

Superman kills everyone here if facing them one at a time.
And don't let him Sundip either.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/th_271_Superman_v2_216_Page_10_Image_0001.jpg

"In the blink of even your eye I can be in the center of Metropolis." He probably should have avoided getting dropped by a headbutt.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He probably should have avoided getting dropped by a headbutt.
uhuh

I know, Billy's a beast

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I know, Billy's a beast
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_34-21.jpg

Power sharing Billy isn't quite the same beast though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Before spiderman and daredevil KTFO blackheart?

Wasn't an actual fight.As daddy Mephisto ordered Blackheart to force a hero(Daredevil) to commit the greatest sin that he'll regret

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Blackheart/PDevice/Noob/DD270-08.jpg

Its a good thing Spidey warned Daredevil not to kill Blackheart.Which wouldn't really kill Blackheart.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/VsDDSpidey4.jpg

So Superman in this thread is a prime candidate for a hero who commited the greatest sin.DOS comes into mind BTW

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Power sharing Billy isn't quite the same beast though.
He was specifically at full power while mary was still in her powered up form.

"Complete recharge. My strength has returned. I'm whole again".

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/36-08.jpg

Just a few page later, you can see mary being koed in her powered form.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/36-16.jpg

Originally posted by Igniz
Wasn't an actual fight.As daddy Mephisto ordered Blackheart to force a hero(Daredevil) to commit the greatest sin that he'll regret

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Blackheart/PDevice/Noob/DD270-08.jpg

Its a good thing Spidey warned Daredevil not to kill Blackheart.Which wouldn't really kill Blackheart.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/VsDDSpidey4.jpg

So Superman in this thread is a prime candidate for a hero who commited the greatest sin.DOS comes into mind BTW
Who cares? Blackheart gets punched out by street levelers all the time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who cares? Blackheart gets punched out by street levelers all the time.

Name one.All of Blackheart's lossess are plot driven anyways

Originally posted by Igniz
Name one.All of Blackheart's lossess are plot driven anyways
So he's a loser? I wasn't serious in the above post mind you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was specifically at full power while mary was still in her powered up form.

"Complete recharge. My strength has returned. I'm whole again".

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/36-08.jpg

Just a few page later, you can see mary being koed in her powered form.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/36-16.jpg

Makes no sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So Blackheart is a winner?



Again I agreed Superman kills everyone.But his soul gets claimed by Blackheart for killing everyone on the list

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Makes no sense.
That's Geoff Johns for you.

Originally posted by Igniz


Again I agreed Superman kills everyone.But his soul gets claimed by Blackheart for killing everyone on the list

Lulz.

Good trolling though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was specifically at full power while mary was still in her powered up form.

"Complete recharge. My strength has returned. I'm whole again".

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/36-08.jpg

Just a few page later, you can see mary being koed in her powered form.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/36-16.jpg So, we ignore Cap's entire history sharing power (and Mary's) because he said "full recharge" and Mary was shown unconscious on the floor, after he got basically KO'ed twice and used BA to jump start his connection?

Well, I guess then. If we ignore everything about Cap and Mary's power, he got cheapshot KO'ed by probably Superman when he was at full power...

I guess this puts him about even with when Billy cheapshotted him out.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, we ignore Cap's entire history sharing power (and Mary's) because he said "full recharge" and Mary was shown unconscious on the floor, after he got basically KO'ed twice and used BA to jump start his connection?

Well, I guess then. If we ignore everything about Cap and Mary's power, he got cheapshot KO'ed by probably Superman when he was at full power...

I guess this puts him about even with when Billy cheapshotted him out.
Yeah, geoff johns could care less about that.

Except it wasn't a cheapshot, it was a blitz.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, geoff johns could care less about that.

Except it wasn't a cheapshot, it was a blitz. We should use it then.

Was Billy expecting it?

Superman can definitely win if these are all one on one and he's out for the kill.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman can definitely win if these are all one on one and he's out for the kill. Yep.

Superman killing license ends today at 5:30 pm

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
We should use it then.

Was Billy expecting it?
We should.

Doesn't matter, punching someone in the face by blitzing isn't a cheapshot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We should.

Doesn't matter, punching someone in the face by blitzing isn't a cheapshot. You just said the writing was shit because it went against every part of Mary and Billy's history...

Good to know.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SdiStIwZ-xg/UKD5F6FK2aI/AAAAAAAAC98/bIOjlxvH1Rk/s640/Hero-Envy-Superman-vs-Captain-Marvel001.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gI7Zr7aQfi8/TdjNywZ2szI/AAAAAAAAAGU/9mJgoMeAjHY/s640/SupesVsCap3.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jIUouLA2MS4/TdrWUavq-fI/AAAAAAAAAGk/-b81247XG3c/s640/supesvscap6.jpg

Or you know, cheapshots don't prove much.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You just said the writing was shit because it went against every part of Mary and Billy's history...

Good to know.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SdiStIwZ-xg/UKD5F6FK2aI/AAAAAAAAC98/bIOjlxvH1Rk/s640/Hero-Envy-Superman-vs-Captain-Marvel001.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gI7Zr7aQfi8/TdjNywZ2szI/AAAAAAAAAGU/9mJgoMeAjHY/s640/SupesVsCap3.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jIUouLA2MS4/TdrWUavq-fI/AAAAAAAAAGk/-b81247XG3c/s640/supesvscap6.jpg

Or you know, cheapshots don't prove much.
It doesn't invalidates the showing because Geoff Johns can't care less about continuity.

Except it wan't a cheapshot and as revealed earlier in the arc, the mind-controlled heroes were "less formidable" than usual

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/?action=view&current=vqsa5w.jpg

The cheapshots from cap using magic weakness don't prove much, I agree. However superman blitzed cap and punched him in the face, that's not a cheapshot. Its not his fault that cap is such a slowpoke.

Adam rips his face off.

Originally posted by Estacado
Adam rips his face off.
Maybe he should start not backing down from fights when superman goes all out first. All its take is one moon-busting punch and its night for adam.

Black Adam...but still Superman get's his ass beat!

Black Adam
Captain Marvel
Beta Ray Bill
Blue Marvel

Stops him. I'm one of those fights, his face would be in their hands.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe he should start not backing down from fights when superman goes all out first. All its take is one moon-busting punch and its night for adam.

Out of that fight, if any of the two looked more impressive it was Adam. Superman couldn't even move him out of that spot and Adam was holding back.

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam
Captain Marvel
Beta Ray Bill
Blue Marvel

Stops him. I'm one of those fights, his face would be in their hands.
hysterical

Originally posted by carver9
Out of that fight, if any of the two looked more impressive it was Adam. Superman couldn't even move him out of that spot and Adam was holding back.
Adam wasn't holding back and superman would've stopped that fight with just one punch and adam knew it.

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam
Captain Marvel
Beta Ray Bill
Blue Marvel

Stops him. I'm one of those fights, his face would be in their hands.

lol.

Originally posted by carver9
Out of that fight, if any of the two looked more impressive it was Adam. Superman couldn't even move him out of that spot and Adam was holding back.

Do you think we're going to forget the last time you were proven wrong about this?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Adam wasn't holding back and superman would've stopped that fight with just one punch and adam knew it.


Lol, Adam was holding back, crazy. He didn't even want to fight Superman because that wasn't his goal. Lol @ Superman stopping that fight with one punch. In the beginning of the fight Superman stated there was no need to pull his punches against Adam and Adam tanked all of it. You basing this off of a hyperbole statement from a Superman that has never in his entire freaking career destroyed a moon with a single punch doesn't help you bro.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol.



Do you think we're going to forget the last time you were proven wrong about this?

I was not proven wrong. Superman could probably beat Adam BUT that fight wasn't a good indication of it. Adam was holding back. When has Adam ever turned his back on anyone because of not wanting to fight them. It's pretty clear imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol, Adam was holding back, crazy. He didn't even want to fight Superman because that wasn't his goal. Lol @ Superman stopping that fight with one punch. In the beginning of the fight Superman stated there was no need to pull his punches against Adam and Adam tanked all of it. You basing this off of a hyperbole statement from a Superman that has never in his entire freaking career destroyed a moon with a single punch doesn't help you bro.

Adam was punching superman with hits harder than captain marvel's in the fights. That only happens when he doesn't holds back. He stated that there is no need to "hold back as much as he regularly does", that doesn't means he was going all out. Lulz @this shit again. How many times are you going to get corrected on it before you concede?

Originally posted by carver9
I was not proven wrong. Superman could probably beat Adam BUT that fight wasn't a good indication of it. Adam was holding back. When has Adam ever turned his back on anyone because of not wanting to fight them. It's pretty clear imo.

We're not doing this again.

I suggest you stop now.

It's bad enough reading Abhi's posts, but yours on top of it aren't going to help.

Originally posted by -Pr-
We're not doing this again.

I suggest you stop now.

It's bad enough reading Abhi's posts, but yours on top of it aren't going to help.

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam
Captain Marvel
Beta Ray Bill
Blue Marvel

Stops him. I'm one of those fights, his face would be in their hands. facepalm

A black adam vs superman fight is inevetable. I have a feelinv adam will get the edge.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't invalidates the showing because Geoff Johns can't care less about continuity.

Except it wan't a cheapshot and as revealed earlier in the arc, the mind-controlled heroes were "less formidable" than usual

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/?action=view&current=vqsa5w.jpg

The cheapshots from cap using magic weakness don't prove much, I agree. However superman blitzed cap and punched him in the face, that's not a cheapshot. Its not his fault that cap is such a slowpoke. It makes it sketchy when you call the writing shit.

Marvel didn't even know he was in a fight. He went to fly off to save the world and got coldcocked twice.

Yeah, and when they have the powers of them when they're cheapshotting people, it doesn't make a difference.

And Cap blitzed Superman and punched him in the face. Picking and choosing

But yeah, the times Cap punched Superman in the face don't count because they were cheapshots, but the time Superman did it count because...

Following this logic, here's Cap blitzing Superman in the middle of nowhere.
http://i45.tinypic.com/1znpxlc.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2j0h2zr.jpg

Stop being a hater, Bran.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Stop being a hater, Bran.
Good point.

Superman tactifully punching Billy in the face twice when he isn't expecting it is an enormous showing of his speed advantage.

I was wrong.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It makes it sketchy when you call the writing shit.

Marvel didn't even know he was in a fight. He went to fly off to save the world and got coldcocked twice.

Yeah, and when they have the powers of them when they're cheapshotting people, it doesn't make a difference.

And Cap blitzed Superman and punched him in the face. Picking and choosing

But yeah, the times Cap punched Superman in the face don't count because they were cheapshots, but the time Superman did it count because...

Following this logic, here's Cap blitzing Superman in the middle of nowhere.
http://i45.tinypic.com/1znpxlc.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2j0h2zr.jpg

It doesn't matter any more than me calling bendis or pak's writing shit. Its canon and that's it.

Because he got blitzed, that's what happens in a speedblitz.

Ok. We saw how much his magic lightning affects superman when he doesn't get cheapshotted in superman 216 though.

Both times he cheapshotted superman from behind while superman was distracted. Nothing similar here.

A weakened superman who gets up just fine and tosses him away like garbage which actually koes marvel after diverted by batman. Pathetic.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Stop being a hater, Bran.
Yep, the same "Don't be a hater" card which thor fans were trying to spin yesterday.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yep, the same "Don't be a hater" card which thor fans were trying to spin yesterday.

What does Thor have to do with this?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What does Thor have to do with this?
Nothing. What's bran having a dislike of superman has to do with this?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nothing. What's bran having a dislike of superman has to do with this?

Are your jimmies rustled or something?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What does Thor have to do with this? R92JzZ8-EQY

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nothing. What's bran having a dislike of superman has to do with this?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nothing.

Oblivion has taken over this thread.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Are your jimmies rustled or something?
Nope.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Oblivion has taken over this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-5QTdC7hOo

lol at dislike.

Saying Superman cheapshotted Billy, and Billy has done the same thing to Superman more times means dislike is a big factor
I don't think someone posting cheapshots and ignorantly claiming it's not one to prove something can claim bias against someone else.

Jake predicted that one...

Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't matter any more than me calling bendis or pak's writing shit. Its canon and that's it.

Because he got blitzed, that's what happens in a speedblitz.

Ok. We saw how much his magic lightning affects superman when he doesn't get cheapshotted in superman 216 though.

Both times he cheapshotted superman from behind while superman was distracted. Nothing similar here.

A weakened superman who gets up just fine and tosses him away like garbage which actually koes marvel after diverted by batman. Pathetic. You know what else is canon? Billy losing power when Mary is transformed.

Because he didn't know he was in a fight and got cheapshotted. That's what happens when you get cheapshotted.

And we saw what Superman's punches do to Billy when he doesn't cheapshot Billy, and when Billy is holding back... in Superman 216.
Come on abi.

And both times he landed on Superman's face.
But when there's no danger and you attacked out of nowhere doesn't count as being distracted. Plus, the one involved Billy grabbing Superman and apologizing before hand..

Yes, from one punch from Cap. We know that he can KO full Superman with a blitz though with one punch though. Chalk that up to bad writing. Though Billy making a heroic pose had a lot to do with him not simply hitting Superman again. As did Billy tricking Batman and turning into Billy.
So, it's not actually about speed at all then like you previously stated? As soon as Billy "blitzes" Superman that all went out the window fast...

Are you seriously arguing that these cheapshots prove anything? You're trolling me, aren't you?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Jake predicted that one...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m802cijRNR1qc86az.gif

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
lol at dislike.
Well you dislike superman and have said so previously.

That's not the point I was making.

That's not a cheapshot to begin with no matter how much you try to make it one.


Lulz.


That's not what happened there and nothing you say would change that.

Nope.
He got blitzed and got KTFO in two punches.

Stuns him and sends him across the continents? Beat the shit out of him like in Action comics annual 4? His lightning doesn't holds back.
Who's abi?
Not the same.
Cap knew there was danger ahead in JSA 34. He spelled it out how he knocked out superman and it was due to surprise, luck and magic. You're really desperate now.

Suckerpunch with a double hand punch. Absolutely, anytime captain marvel looks bad against superman its bad writing. Superman was weakened and still wasn't out. Billy tried hitting superman with a total suckerpunch blitz in Action comics annual 4 too. Superman shrugged it off and beat the shit out of him. No proof of it whatsoever. Though captain marvel tricking batman who was getting his shit pushed in by hawkman in the same issue is reaching even for you. He was knocked out and reverted to billy or does he makes his transformation into billy without a shazam lightning now?
He has tried that before and got his shit pushed in.



Are you seriously trying to argue that punching someone in the face at superspeed is cheapshotting?

Like usual, Abhi is wrong yet again.

Originally posted by carver9
Like usual, Abhi is wrong yet again.
Like usual carver arrives for cheerleading.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well you dislike superman and have said so previously.

That's not the point I was making.

That's not a cheapshot to begin with no matter how much you try to make it one.


Lulz. Which isn't relevant to everytime I discuss him. especially when all I'm saying is that he cheapshotted someone...

You don't even know the point you're making. If you're going to say dislike plays a factor, then it probably shouldn't be in a thread where I'm only saying Superman cheapshotted Billy as well showings where Cap did the same.

K, it's not a cheapshot when you hit someone when they don't even know they're in a fight.


Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not what happened there and nothing you say would change that. I guess it won't.

It's so obviously a cheapshot that I'm literally dumbfounded that someone could think different.

Guess I'll just toss some shit into the wind.
What would you call this attack that Zod landed on Superman? Fair?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/ActionComics779-17.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope.
He got blitzed and got KTFO in two punches. Cheapshotted.

Although it's funny again that you brought up the Eclipso Superman fights, since like you said, Eclipso laid a beatdown on him (the first fight anyway) and couldn't KO him. Yet we're supposed to believe that Superman in a completely fair way can KO Cap with two punches?

Or did he just cheapshot him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Stuns him and sends him across the continents? Beat the shit out of him like in Action comics annual 4? His lightning doesn't holds back.
Who's abi?
Not the same. Yes. And fails to KO him. He also got stuned too by Cap, but whatever.

Like I mean, again failing to KO Cap in two punches. Isn't that the whole reason you brought up 219? Because Cap knocked out Superman with magic and "not cheapshots", but couldn't do it in 219?
You realize by trying to combat Cap KO'ing Superman, that you're also combatting Superman KO'ing Cap...

Like, this shit is as funny as it is sad. If you want to prove Superman can KO Cap in two punches as a legit feat (in a non cheapshot way), you should probably avoid bringing up fights where Superman landed huge shots on him without a KO.

His lightning, maybe not, but him, yes.

It is the same though. He landed on his face when Superman wasn't expecting it. Superman landed on Billy when he wasn't expecting it. Pretty cut and dry.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cap knew there was danger ahead in JSA 34. Superman knew he was in danger in every issue Billy cheapshotted him in...

How do you logic

Originally posted by abhilegend
He spelled it out how he knocked out superman and it was due to surprise, luck and magic. You're really desperate now. We could have figured that out without him saying anything.

But following whatever your logic is, it wasn't a cheapshot because he foreshadowed it... I guess.

Although you didn't even begin to explain why Superman cheapshotting Billy wasn't a cheapshot, but I guess that's it, maybe?

lol at desperate. You're the one who's saying that Superman attacking Billy without any warning at all isn't a cheapshot.

...

This would work out better if I wasn't talking to something as stubborn as a tree stump.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Suckerpunch with a double hand punch. One hit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Absolutely, anytime captain marvel looks bad against superman its bad writing. Superman was weakened and still wasn't out. Well, we've seen him cheapshot full Superman out with one shot is all I'm saying. More of a joke admittedly, but I don't think you understand those.

And Billy didn't follow up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Billy tried hitting superman with a total suckerpunch blitz in Action comics annual 4 too. Superman shrugged it off and beat the shit out of him. No proof of it whatsoever. Though captain marvel tricking batman who was getting his shit pushed in by hawkman in the same issue is reaching even for you. He was knocked out and reverted to billy or does he makes his transformation into billy without a shazam lightning now?
He has tried that before and got his shit pushed in. You seem to be under the impression that I'm trying to argue that Cap can beat Superman, or vice versa.

I was just following the "speed/cheapshot" angle you were going with. When you were trying to say Superman is way too fast for Billy based on what happened when he cheapshotted him.
IE, Billy has KO'ed Superman with "not cheapshots", and Billy has "speedblitzed" Superman (the KO is entirely irrelevant to speed). I don't believe either proves anything, however, you do... but only if Superman does it.
Really, if you weren't wearing red and blue colored glasses (3D), you'd see it's the exact same thing, and the original scans... scan doesn't mean much.

Billy just wakes up and smiles then while shooting off a bolt?
Also, I may be wrong, but Cap doesn't transform into Billy without the bolt anyway... so... Batman pretty much kicked him so hard it skipped a step, or Billy was tricking him and his magic skipped a step.
Either way, following your logic of establish history. He does turn into Billy in that story without the bolt. Just like he can be at full power with Mary powered up in the other. Funny how fun your logic can be.

And now you're just switching everything up because you got angry. But let's go with that.
Superman shrugs off Billy while possessed by magical Eclipso. Billy gets turned into Billy by Batman, and a throw.

What does this have to do with speed... your original point?


Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you seriously trying to argue that punching someone in the face at superspeed is cheapshotting? No, I'm saying that cheapshotting someone is cheapshotting. Superspeed or not.

And if you weren't so stubborn, you'd say that too... but alas.

Seriously, punching someone in the face without warning or anything is NOT a cheapshot. And you're a hater or desperate if you disagree.

That's a good one.

I'm going to go to work and start punching people without warning.

When I'm fired and arrested, I'll claim they should have known it was dangerous. A good lawyer will have me free on the streets in no time.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm going to go to work and start punching people without warning.

When I'm fired and arrested, I'll claim they should have known it was dangerous. A good lawyer will have me free on the streets in no time. Abi can set us all on a path to a better life and understanding IMO.

Just skype him in the courtroom for that extra boost.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Which isn't relevant to everytime I discuss him. especially when all I'm saying is that he cheapshotted someone...

Yeah, it is not. Let's move on.



Its not a cheapshot if someone speeds in front of him and punches him in the face.



Yep.







Guess, you forgot to post the page where superman had his back to zod and suddenly moved around only to get cheapshotted. I give you the real cheapshot.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_action_comics_annual_04_21.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_action_comics_annual_04_22.jpg

Not that the zod reference has any meaning here. Its just one more red herring from you.



No.



Yeah, different fights and all that shit. Its like asking how hulk can KO thor if he hasn't koed him wailing upon him.


No.
He was gloating like you said.

Yeah, by a headbutt to the head. Good for him.

Your point is? You think superman is going to KO marvel in every fight with two punches?


Nope.



This is another huge red herring. Just because superman doesn't go knocking out characters with on or two punches doesn't invalidates the showings where he actually koes them with two punches.



No.



Not at all.



From cap? Your reaching is hilarious.



Lulz

Because it was a blitz. That's it.

Yeah, desperate. But you aren't stubborn at all, I guess



And?



Ok.

Weakened. Superman.

Yeah, that's why you are writing these essays. Whatever suits you though.

Ok, I guess.

Yeah, ask jeph loeb.
IIRC he has been converted to billy when knocked out once. That's more plausible than usual "LOLZ, batkick".
The first scene is open to interpretation. The second is not.

Angry? LOL.
Who gets weaker by sunlight. No.



Nothing. Initially I posted that scan as just a joke as a retort to your "billy's a beast" post.



Listen, we're not going to agree upon anything and I don't want to write these essays again. Let's agree to disagree. You can have the last word here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its not a cheapshot if someone speeds in front of him and punches him in the face. First off, we don't even know where Superman came from.

Second he attacked entirely without warning in a calm room.

Third or forth or whatever the hell we're on, I direct you again to these scans:

http://i45.tinypic.com/1znpxlc.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2j0h2zr.jpg

Same exact same but in the middle of nowhere. Attacking out of nowhere with no warning is a cheapshot, no matter where it lands. And Cap went straight at Superman.
Although I wish you would have commented on the scans themselves so I could get an opinion of what you thought it was (fair, cheapshot, etc), but instead you got furious about it, ignored it, and talked about what happened afterwards.

Actually I guess you did kind of comment on it...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was weakened and still wasn't out. Billy tried hitting superman with a total suckerpunch blitz in Action comics annual 4 too. Superman shrugged it off and beat the shit out of him.

It seems like you're implying that Cap cheapshotted Superman there, which again is the same thing that Superman did to Cap but in a much much smaller area.

Hmm. Fascinating isn't it?


Originally posted by abhilegend
Guess, you forgot to post the page where superman had his back to zod and suddenly moved around only to get cheapshotted. I give you the real cheapshot.

Not that the zod reference has any meaning here. Its just one more red herring from you. And I guess you missed where Superman came out of nowhere to cheapshot Billy. At least Superman has some sort of warning in his. Billy had none.

But ya, relevant scans. I'm of the firm opinion that Cap did not cheapshot Supes...
And you brought up red herring right under these scans. The irony is delicious.




Yes, red herring, because I'm the one switching up my posts all the time, or failing to address shit.
It's the same thing. If Zod cheapshotted Superman, then Superman cheapshotted Billy, bluntly put.

I thought I'd go with examples rather than keep on going "LOOK AT THE PAGE WITH YOUR EYES!"



Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, by a headbutt to the head. Good for him. Is that supposed to take away anything?

I mean, you're defending a blatant cheapshot, yet you have a problem with a headbutt?

Really

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your point is? You think superman is going to KO marvel in every fight with two punches?

My point is Superman has never KO'ed Billy with two shots outside of when he cheapshotted him.


Originally posted by abhilegend
This is another huge red herring. Just because superman doesn't go knocking out characters with on or two punches doesn't invalidates the showings where he actually koes them with two punches. ...

Like come on, did you forget what we were talking about?

You brought up the Eclipso fights because Cap KO'ed Superman with magic in 2 shots (and 1). And now you're opposed to me using them entirely in reverse. In a post where I was talking about you doing the same thing earlier.

Gold Jerry Gold.

But since I'll need to explain this to you:

You bring up Superman cheapshotting Cap.
I bring up Cap cheapshotting Supes.
You bring up how Cap's magic is "ineffective" against Superman when it wasn't a cheapshot.
I bring up how Superman couldn't KO Cap when he didn't cheapshot him from the fights you brought up.

You naturally have an issue with this and it doesn't invalidate Superman cheapshotting Cap (while ignoring that this same logic doesn't invalidate Billy).

Like, do you not see how you're pretty much arguing against your own logic?

If there was an exact replica of you that didn't like Superman but followed the exact same argument style and logic use... that'd probably be the greatest argument ever. No lie.

I'd sequence this but it'd make my essay longer. Essay.


Originally posted by abhilegend
From cap? Your reaching is hilarious. You say this while Cap was cheapshotted when the only people in the room were good guys (and "sleeping" tps)

Of course it's reaching though. I stooped to your level afterall. I mean, Cap wasn't cheapshotted because he knew there was anger ahead of 34?
I didn't know how to take that response serious.

Like what. There's danger in every comic. If we follow this, nobody ever gets cheapshotted by anyone ever.

Hell, and to answer your question, yes by Cap. Despero was trapping every mind he could in one of them. Should have expected he'd come out of nowhere and smashed Superman... amirite?

No of course not, because even you don't agree with your logic being turned around (I know I sound like a broken record, but your logic is so easily turned around).



Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it was a blitz. That's it.

Yeah, desperate. But you aren't stubborn at all, I guess But it wasn't just a blitz. He cheapshotted Billy at superspeed. Happens all the time.

And just saying "blitz" doesn't exactly answer why it was that and not a cheapshot either.
If you're going to just write off a scene where no one was in the same room other than the good guys and comatose telepaths, and Superman attacks Cap without warning, then you're probably going to need more than "blitz".

You sure like to throw out words without any backing behind them. Must have been the day Dora covered "desperate". She must have covered Red herring that week too for that matter...

Never said I wasn't. But you won't see me arguing that a shot that came out of nowhere with no warning at all is completely fair.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Weakened. Superman.That's why Billy didn't follow up. Pity and all. Still irrelevant.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's why you are writing these essays. Whatever suits you though. Essays... When I write an essay, you'll know it. I just like to actually address things, unlike certain others, and by certain others I mean you.

Although you got me confused with what the length of the post has to do with the content. Because my post is longer, I'm saying Cap can beat Superman (or vice versa)?
Looks like reading has betrayed you.

Or why the person who took his time to seperate every sentence in my previous post (to say one word answers...) is complaining about length.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, I guess.

Yeah, ask jeph loeb.
IIRC he has been converted to billy when knocked out once. That's more plausible than usual "LOLZ, batkick".
The first scene is open to interpretation. The second is not.

Angry? LOL.
Who gets weaker by sunlight. No. OK.

Jeph Loeb has him turning into Billy and conveniently waking up right when Batman arrives to immediately fire off a bolt of lightning...
Which can not be seen as Billy tricking him. It just can't.

But this little "blame it on the writers" thing you're playing with makes me wonder if the writers would agree with your stance.

Let me take your word for it...
...
But the Batkick would have been the one that KO'ed him...

The first one is open? But he turned into Billy without the bolt. Straight up, it's there. We must ignore all other comics according to your logic since only the comic it happened in matters.

Which leads me to my next part.

Where in that issue was it stated that Eclipso was weakened in Superman, and therefore made Superman weaker (it breaks the hold, not weakens the user anyway...).
Unless old one issue Abi wants to bring in things from other issues, because that's fine when Eclipso amps the users...

Probably shouldn't have brought up Eclipso.

Also, yes, angry. You didn't like the Cap scans so you changed your argument entirely to "Superman > Cap all day err day"



Originally posted by abhilegend
Nothing. Initially I posted that scan as just a joke as a retort to your "billy's a beast" post. And were quite quick to defend it.
Not only that, but you thought it helped prove that Superman is way the shit faster than Cap.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/th_271_Superman_v2_216_Page_10_Image_0001.jpg

"In the blink of even your eye I can be in the center of Metropolis."

Plus, you defending it by calling it a blitz instead made it look like that's what your point was.

But that's probably my mistake by assuming you actually had some semblance of focus as opposed to blind Superman devotion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Listen, we're not going to agree upon anything and I don't want to write these essays again. Let's agree to disagree. You can have the last word here. Concession accepted.

Also lol at acting like I need the last word. From someone who likes to call me a coward because I work for a living and don't argue till I the cows come home, this is a cute turn around.

But I'll take it, because the last word destroys arguments on this forum. Go me.

Although I think using "OK" to any point you can't refute kind of gave me that last word anyway... but I digress.

Whoops, forgot this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, different fights and all that shit. Its like asking how hulk can KO thor if he hasn't koed him wailing upon him.
Fights?
More like the contrast behind cheapshots and fair fights.

And you really called me on red herring?
Two Marvel characters who've fought dozens of times where like 4 KO's have been achieved between them being brought up in defense of cheapshots?

And two happened when Hulk surprised Thor (if we count that one in 2001).

Ehhhhh

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Concession accepted.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You've gotta admit that it's hard not to use after quan spammed the shit out of it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You've gotta admit that it's hard not to use after quan spammed the shit out of it.
I agree.

Edit

Sorry, wrong thread