Loki vs. Spiderman

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The Silent Hero
This is Tobey Maguire's Spiderman. Battleground is Manhattan, deserted.

Stipulations: Loki cannot use mind control

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Mindset
Hmm, Spiderman may be strong/fast enough to replicate the Hulk move.

Silent Master
Yea...but he doesn't have anywhere near the Hulk's strength...so even if he could, the damage inflicted will be far, far less.

Plus, that was after Loki had been in a fight with Thor and took an exploding arrow(that he caught) in the face.

Mindset
None of that seemed to have hurt him.

Also, Spiderman keeps it up until he gets tired.

Silent Master
You're not helping Spider-man's case, after all, if exploding arrows and hits from Thor don't hurt Loki....what chance does Spider-man have?

BruceSkywalker
Tobey Spidey gets slaughtered.. Loki was fast enough to catch Barton's arrow, after it exploded he didn't even sustain much damage.. After Thor was stabbed by Loki's dagger, Loki got beat up by Thor , and yet still was fine.. very doubtful Spidey can duplicate the Hulk move..

after a decent fight Loki tcb

Mindset
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're not helping Spider-man's case, after all, if exploding arrows and hits from Thor don't hurt Loki....what chance does Spider-man have? Harry survived an explosion, didn't stop Pete from beating him senseless. Spiderman > Thor

Silent Master
Ah...I didn't realize you were joking around.

Carry on.

tkitna
Loki just surviving the Hulk beating causes me to choose him as the winner.

The Silent Hero
Loki wouldn't deal Spidey a killing blow either. He's too durable, too fast, and Spider-sense would counter his illusions.

Spiderman's in a better position to hurt Loki. He could grab his staff and ram it through him, for instance.

It's not like Hulk went all out on Loki or punched him in the face, he slapped him against the ground a few times. And yeah he survived, but he was beaten up fairly badly. It was enough to put him out of the fight for the remainder.

golem370
Captain America was able to stand with Loki for abit

Silent Master
Loki wanted to be caught, it was part of his plan.


Also, there is no reason to assume that an angry Hulk was holding back against Loki.

NemeBro
Originally posted by golem370
Captain America was able to stand with Loki for abit

And Randy Savage was able to stand with Tobey for a bit, lol.

FrothByte
Loki was bullet proof. Loki is a trained warrior (see how he did against Thor). Loki seems to have an unlimited supply of throwing daggers and his spear has some pretty decent blasting power.

Spidey may be faster (although Loki catching that arrow was no small feat of good reflexes), but in the end Loki is stronger, tougher, a better fighter, and has magic on his side.

the ninjak
Loki wastes him with mirror images + invisibility + durability + skill.

Loki has those Magic blades as well. If Green Goblin or Doc Ock or the Lizard could capture Spidey then Parker is gonna get shivved, then shot.

This is Loki's fight to lose.

The Silent Hero
Originally posted by Silent Master
Loki wanted to be caught, it was part of his plan.


Also, there is no reason to assume that an angry Hulk was holding back against Loki. I'd say when he was fighting Rogers he was trying. If that were the case why wouldn't he just let Capt. get the upper hand? Why attack Black Widow? He only surrendered when Iron Man arrived.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Loki wastes him with mirror images + invisibility + durability + skill.

Loki has those Magic blades as well. If Green Goblin or Doc Ock or the Lizard could capture Spidey then Parker is gonna get shivved, then shot.

This is Loki's fight to lose.
Loki's illusions wouldn't work. What he usually does is appear behind the target and strike. This is exactly what Spider-sense is intended to counter.

Once Spiderman closes distance Loki have to depend on h2h which Spidey is superior at. See his fight with Captain America for reference. Doc Ock has four arms, Lizard has his tail (even though he doesn't apply here), they can overwhelm Spiderman in a melee in a way in which Loki cannot.

Silent Master
Originally posted by The Silent Hero
I'd say when he was fighting Rogers he was trying. If that were the case why wouldn't he just let Capt. get the upper hand? Why attack Black Widow? He only surrendered when Iron Man arrived.

He can't make it look easy, that would put them on their guard, especially since he knows Shield has seen Thor and the Destroyer in action.

Robtard
LoL, you people. "Loki took an explosion to the face!!!1!" Parker tanked a larger bomb to the face and was fine. Parker also took a pounding (no homo) from an 100+ foot Sandman and was still fighting after, he didn't lay on the floor quivering like a pansy from getting smashed.

Comes down to simple maths:

Spider-Man is faster than Loki
Spider-Man is stronger than Loki.
Spider-Man is more agile than Loki.
Spider-Man has an early warning system; Loki doesn't.

Spider-Man >Loki /thread

Silent Master
Unless I'm missing something, isn't the Hulk far stronger than Sandman?

Also, Loki tanked the Bi-Frost explosion.

Robtard
I don't see gigantic Sandman having trouble matching and surpassing any of Hulk's strength feats. He'd also wtf stomp the Hulk in a MVF fight.

While impressive, quantify it.

Silent Master
You don't see Sandman having trouble stopping that 60ish foot flying alien with a punch?


The Bi-Frost explosion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQsHUzgpjMM

uQsHUzgpjMM

Colossus-Big C
No way in hell can sandman do this. Hulk stopped that thing DEAD in its tracks with one casual punch, not to mention he was only at base level strength since he Just Turned to Hulk from banner.

He is Far stronger than sandman

Silent Master
msRaooooyds

Robtard
Sandman at several hundred feet tall like he was at the end of Spider-Man 3 stops the ship dead.

Silent Master
Based on what strength feet?

Robtard
Based on mass + the strength required to move that mass.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, you people. "Loki took an explosion to the face!!!1!" Parker tanked a larger bomb to the face and was fine. Parker also took a pounding (no homo) from an 100+ foot Sandman and was still fighting after, he didn't lay on the floor quivering like a pansy from getting smashed.

Comes down to simple maths:

Spider-Man is faster than Loki
Spider-Man is stronger than Loki.
Spider-Man is more agile than Loki.
Spider-Man has an early warning system; Loki doesn't.

Spider-Man >Loki /thread

Spiderman is faster than Loki
Spiderman is more agile than Loki.
Spiderman has an early warning system.

But

Loki is stronger than Spiderman (Spidey has never trade blows with anyone as strong as Thor).
Loki is tougher than Spiderman (Spidey has never shown to be bullet proof).
And Loki has superior firepower and magics.

Silent Master
Originally posted by Robtard
Based on mass + the strength required to move that mass.

So, the fact that Sandman can move is your proof?

FrothByte
Originally posted by The Silent Hero


Once Spiderman closes distance Loki have to depend on h2h which Spidey is superior at. See his fight with Captain America for reference. Doc Ock has four arms, Lizard has his tail (even though he doesn't apply here), they can overwhelm Spiderman in a melee in a way in which Loki cannot.


Spidey better in h2h? I think you're confusing acrobatic skill with h2h skill. Loki is a trained warrior, for hundreds of years. Spidey has ZERO fight training. Loki gave Thor a good fight. Spidey has never fought anyone as strong or skilled as Thor. Every person Spidey has ever fought with were brawlers.

Doc Ock and Lizard may have extra limbs to their advantage, but neither are as strong, as durable, or as skilled as Loki... and look how Spidey struggled with them.

Robtard
Originally posted by Silent Master
So, the fact that Sandman can move is your proof?

Are you being dense on purpose?

Normal sized Sandman was able to punch Spider-Man through an armoured truck. Now make him hundreds of feet tall.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Robtard
Are you being dense on purpose?

Normal sized Sandman was able to punch Spider-Man through an armoured truck. Now make him hundreds of feet tall.

Sandman can control sand. Him moving himself at hundreds of feet tall is not a feat of muscular strength but simply him manipulating sand.

Robtard
Originally posted by FrothByte
Spiderman is faster than Loki
Spiderman is more agile than Loki.
Spiderman has an early warning system.

But

Loki is stronger than Spiderman (Spidey has never trade blows with anyone as strong as Thor).
Loki is tougher than Spiderman (Spidey has never shown to be bullet proof).
And Loki has superior firepower and magics.

Trading punches doesn't mean Loki is near Thor's strength. We also saw what happened once Thor had enough of Loki's BS, Thor manhandled his ass. Spider-Man's strength feats shit all over Loki's.

Only when it comes to bullets. Spider-Man has many instances of tanking massive blunt force trauma, getting hit by a train, being slammed on by gigantic Sandman, being punched through an armoured truck etc. etc. etc.

Illusion trick gets countered by Spider-Sense and Spider-Man would have no trouble dodging the blast from his spear or knives, closing in and beating his ass silly.

Robtard
Originally posted by FrothByte
Sandman can control sand. Him moving himself at hundreds of feet tall is not a feat of muscular strength but simply him manipulating sand.

no expression It was his body. Not sand he was controlling mentally from far away.

Silent Master
Originally posted by Robtard
Are you being dense on purpose?

Normal sized Sandman was able to punch Spider-Man through an armoured truck. Now make him hundreds of feet tall.

You're assunming his strength scales with height, do you have any feats to back this up?

FrothByte
Originally posted by Robtard
Trading punches doesn't mean Loki is near Thor's strength. Spider-Man's strength feats shit all over Loki's.

Only when it comes to bullets. Spider-Man has many instances of tanking massive blunt force trauma, getting hit by a train, being slammed on by gigantic Sandman, being punched through an armoured truck.

Illusion trick gets countered by Spider-Sense ad Spider-Man would have no trouble dodging the blast from his spear or knives, closing in and beating his ass silly.

Trading punches maybe not, but blocking hits from Thor (and mjolnir) with his spear means that he needs to have comparable strength in order not to buckle. Meaning that Loki is still within Thor's strength range.

As for Illusion tricks, Spidey's sense only warns him when he's about to be attacked, so yeah I agree the illusions won't help Loki in attacking. However, it will make it more complicated for Spidey when he's the one on the offensive.

Making multiple illusions of Loki will make it difficult for Spidey to hit the right Loki. His spider sense won't tell him which is the real Loki if Loki isn't attacking. So the illusions aren't useless. At the very least, it will make it harder for Spidey to attack and counter attack.

Robtard
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're assunming his strength scales with height, do you have any feats to back this up?

It's logic, not assumption. If it didn't, he couldn't move. Would the strength output of your body now be able to move you if you suddenly grew/weighed thousands of times more?

Silent Master
IOW, you don't have any strength feats to back up your speculation.

Robtard
Originally posted by FrothByte
Trading punches maybe not, but blocking hits from Thor (and mjolnir) with his spear means that he needs to have comparable strength in order not to buckle. Meaning that Loki is still within Thor's strength range.

As for Illusion tricks, Spidey's sense only warns him when he's about to be attacked, so yeah I agree the illusions won't help Loki in attacking. However, it will make it more complicated for Spidey when he's the one on the offensive.

Making multiple illusions of Loki will make it difficult for Spidey to hit the right Loki. His spider sense won't tell him which is the real Loki if Loki isn't attacking. So the illusions aren't useless. At the very least, it will make it harder for Spidey to attack and counter attack.

No, not "comparable", a weaker person can deflect a strike from a stronger.

One quick web area webs blasts an there goes that trick.

Robtard
Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you don't have any strength feats to back up your speculation.

I have the film. But let's pretend a creature that is several hundred feet tall and whose fist are the size of buses only has the strength of a white fluffy rabbit and hit's no harder than a soft pillow being gently dropped, because it's fun to ignore logic.

Silent Master
Here is a strength feat for the Hulk.

msRaooooyds

Your turn.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't see gigantic Sandman having trouble matching and surpassing any of Hulk's strength feats. He'd also wtf stomp the Hulk in a MVF fight.

While impressive, quantify it. No, Sandman is not as strong as Hulk or Thor, and can't output as much power.

That ship was at least as big as Sandman, and moving faster. As well as being made of tougher shit than sand, lol.

Robtard
Originally posted by Silent Master
Here is a strength feat for the Hulk.

msRaooooyds

Your turn.

Gigantic Sandman = Hulk's mass x several thousand.

Your turn.

Robtard
Originally posted by NemeBro
No, Sandman is not as strong as Hulk or Thor, and can't output as much power.

That ship was at least as big as Sandman, and moving faster. As well as being made of tougher shit than sand, lol.

/wank

Silent Master
Originally posted by Robtard
Gigantic Sandman = Hulk's mass x several thousand.

Your turn.

That's nice, are you going to post a strength feat for Sandman?

NemeBro
He doesn't have any feats on that level, you stupid ******. Now go shove a pinecomb up your ass, you ugly maggot.

Robtard
It's fun to ignore logic when needing a MV win. Even with gigantic Sandman feats aside, Spider-Man wrecks Loki.

NemeBro
I never said Loki beats Spiderman you stupid assramming uncle ****er.

Robtard
Originally posted by NemeBro
I never said Loki beats Spiderman you stupid assramming uncle ****er.

That wasn't to you, dildo-rider. It was to the thread derailer.

omgchos
Originally posted by Robtard
That wasn't to you, dildo-rider. It was to the thread derailer.
Shut your ****ing face uncle ****er.

Nephthys
In terms of durability, could Spiderman laugh off machine-gun fire like Loki did?

omgchos
Originally posted by Nephthys
In terms of durability, could Spiderman laugh off machine-gun fire like Loki did?
I highly doubt it.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Nephthys
In terms of durability, could Spiderman laugh off machine-gun fire like Loki did?

Nope. Spidey can probably survive getting hit by gun fire, but there's no way he can just laugh it off without injury. Heck, considering those machine-gun fire on Loki hit him in the chest, those hits would probably kill Spidey.

Neither can Spidey tank an explosive arrow going off point blank in his face, at least not without injury. Nor will he survive Hulk bashing him to the ground multiple times.

The only advantage Spiderman has in this fight is his agility and spider-sense. Loki has strength, durability, fire power and fighting ability on his side.

Good fight, but I just don't see how Spiderman can take out Loki without PIS (hero always beats villain and that kind of thing).

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