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Same events as the movie First Blood. Rambo has escaped custody and then raped Teasle and his men in the woods. Instead of calling in the National guard, they authorities call in Agent 47 to kill/capture Rambo.

Agent 47 is armed with his Dragunov sniper rifle, an M-16, an M-60 and his twin .45's. He is thoroughly briefed on Rambo's training. He also frag grenades, concussion grenades and flashbangs.

Rambo is armed with a Dragunov sniper rifle, an M-16, an M-60 and two .45's. He also frag grenades, concussion grenades and flashbangs.

Unlimited ammo for both.


Rambo knows he is being hunted by one highly skilled man, nothing more.

Who wins?

Actually a fight I have no idea about who will win.

Yeah, same. Good matchup I think.

47 never had any feats in a forest environment. Though if the fight ended up in the town like at the end of First Blood, I can't see why 47 just wouldn't snipe him.
The movie version of Hitman was terrible though. So yeah it's pretty even.

I say 47 wins. He's better than world-class assassins. Rambo is better than any Green-Beret.


47 has Rambo in:

1. Speed.
2. Agility.
3. Shooting Accuracy.
4. Intelligence.
5. Experience.
6. Bladed weapon combat.
7. H2H combat.


Rambo has him in:

1. Jungle combat experience (but not by much, imo).
2. Strength.
3. Willpower.
4. Durability/pain tolerance.



Because of 47s speed over Rambo, I say Rambo gets a bullet between the eyes a split second before Rambo puts a bullet between 47s eyes.

47 wins 8 out of 10 matches.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I say 47 wins. He's better than world-class assassins. Rambo is better than any Green-Beret.


47 has Rambo in:

1. Speed.
2. Agility.
3. Shooting Accuracy.
4. Intelligence.
5. Experience.
6. Bladed weapon combat.
7. H2H combat.
Shooting accuracy is questionable. Remember when Rambo headshot 3 pirates in less than a second? And lol, Rambo has plenty of experience.


You forgot flat out badassery.



Lol, no. He's gotta find Rambo first. An entire army of Russian special forces could not find him.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Shooting accuracy is questionable. Remember when Rambo headshot 3 pirates in less than a second? And lol, Rambo has plenty of experience.

Compared to 47, he has very little experience. 47 was in constant training and then in constant missions: no break time. Rambo does not have that.


Originally posted by Casper Whitey
You forgot flat out badassery.

I didn't. That goes to 47, easily.



Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Lol, no. He's gotta find Rambo first. An entire army of Russian special forces could not find him.

Russian special forces <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Agent 47.


Contrary to what you stated, you were quite certain of the outcome. You are certain that Rambo wins.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Compared to 47, he has very little experience. 47 was in constant training and then in constant missions: no break time. Rambo does not have that. Is that right now? Because Rambo was like in the Vietnam war and stuff. Not to mention Trautman's quote directly from the movie:

"You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well Rambo was the best."


But I guess Trautman was full of poo, eh?




Actually it doesn't. Not even close. What did Rambo do after jumping off a cliff and landing hundreds of feet below? He took out a chopper with a rock. Your move.





I am now that I watched First Blood again. Rambo, in the forest/jungle, becomes the forest/jungle. Hell, Mitch was right on top of Rambo and didn't even see him FFS. 47 is just outmatched here.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
I am now that I watched First Blood again. Rambo, in the forest/jungle, becomes the forest/jungle. Hell, Mitch was right on top of Rambo and didn't even see him FFS. 47 is just outmatched here.

Mitch wasn't a soldier, but a ordinary cop, if he had seen him it would have outspelled for us just how bad Rambo was at blending in with the land, if a freaking streetcop could locate him.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Mitch wasn't a soldier, but a ordinary cop, if he had seen him it would have outspelled for us just how bad Rambo was at blending in with the land, if a freaking streetcop could locate him. And? Point is that he was right among them at all times and they never realized it. He took them all out and they only saw him when he allowed it. Much like this:


DhlJDoiQKnI


In an urban scenario, yeah, 47 has the upper hand. But in the forest? He has no chance.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
And? Point is that he was right among them at all times and they never realized it. He took them all out and they only saw him when he allowed it. Much like this:


DhlJDoiQKnI


In an urban scenario, yeah, 47 has the upper hand. But in the forest? He has no chance.

And the point is that there is a big difference between fooling a bunch of cops, that thinks they are chasing a fugitive, while in reality a ex commando, contrast that too a elite assassin that knows what he is dealing with, in every detail. Furthermore lets not forget that Rambo has been caught and torturered before, while he is excellent at hiding, it doesn't mean he becomes invisible and vanish from the face of the earth when he goes guerilla mode.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And the point is that there is a big difference between fooling a bunch of cops, that thinks they are chasing a fugitive, while in reality a ex commando, contrast that too a elite assassin that knows what he is dealing with, in every detail. Furthermore lets not forget that Rambo has been caught and torturered before, while he is excellent at hiding, it doesn't mean he becomes invisible and vanish from the face of the earth when he goes guerilla mode.

And the fact that 47 has zero jungle/forest feats? That's huge here.

Also, when Rambo was caught, he was expecting the choppah to pick him up. When he decides not to be seen, he won't be seen.

Which is why 47 will wait in the town for Rambo to till inevitably continue his final assault. And there he will die.

Film 47 has ways to deal with targets in foreign environments as well.....

He can attach a bomb to a unwilling civilian and send him in under threat of family/personal safety. Once the man is in the vacinity of Rambo he blows them up.

47 doesn't take chances. He plans many moves ahead. Unlike Rambo who dives in and simply minces his enemies. But past Rambo films has proven that luck can run short.

47 shits all over Rambo.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
And the fact that 47 has zero jungle/forest feats? That's huge here.

Also, when Rambo was caught, he was expecting the choppah to pick him up. When he decides not to be seen, he won't be seen.

It doesn't matter, 47 can set the wood on fire, or make it appear as if he is torturing Trutman etc. There are enough ways for 47 to lure Rambo away from his environment.

I'm talking about his captivity and torture shown in flashback in the first film during the vietnam war, do you think he intended to be captured there as well? There he was fighting Guerillas just as adept as using the environment as he himself was.

^This 47 is a master planner he wont just go runing around searching for Rambo he will set a trap for him most likely.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Which is why 47 will wait in the town for Rambo to till inevitably continue his final assault. And there he will die.

Film 47 has ways to deal with targets in foreign environments as well.....

He can attach a bomb to a unwilling civilian and send him in under threat of family/personal safety. Once the man is in the vacinity of Rambo he blows them up.

47 doesn't take chances. He plans many moves ahead. Unlike Rambo who dives in and simply minces his enemies. But past Rambo films has proven that luck can run short.

Lol, wait in town? The town is not the battlefield. 47 must enter the forest and hunt Rambo down.

He never showed what Rambo showed in a wooded environment.

He doesn't have bombs here.

Lol wut? Rambo doesn't plan? You're high.

Originally posted by Estacado
^This 47 is a master planner he wont just go runing around searching for Rambo he will set a trap for him most likely. You really wanna compare trap setting here?

Originally posted by Utrigita
It doesn't matter, 47 can set the wood on fire, or make it appear as if he is torturing Trutman etc. There are enough ways for 47 to lure Rambo away from his environment.

I'm talking about his captivity and torture shown in flashback in the first film during the vietnam war, do you think he intended to be captured there as well? There he was fighting Guerillas just as adept as using the environment as he himself was. So 47 just sets the woods on fire and kills Rambo, eh? Kinda like Rambo set the bushes on fire and killed the VC, eh? Rambo actually did what you said 47 would do. If anything, he'll lure 47 into a false sense of security then fry his ass.


Rambo has better screen feats here. Period.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually a fight I have no idea about who will win.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Yeah, same. Good matchup I think.


hmmm...


Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Rambo has better screen feats here. Period.

Originally posted by dadudemon
hmmm... Reading is good. I kinda said I watched First Blood the other day and changed my mind. It was part 1 and 3, actually.


Let's try this another way......What characteristics/traits/skills would you guys say are important in sealing a win here?

Rambo is utterly outclassed here.

The introduction of Hitman says 47 was trained since childhood to be "an expert in all forms of combat", that would include warfare in a forest. He out-stalks and take out Rambo with his sniper, the most likely outcome.

So we all agree that 47 stomps.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Reading is good. I kinda said I watched First Blood the other day and changed my mind. It was part 1 and 3, actually.

Right, cause you needed a refresher on First Blood?


Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Let's try this another way......What characteristics/traits/skills would you guys say are important in sealing a win here?


Reading is good:


"I say 47 wins. He's better than world-class assassins. Rambo is better than any Green-Beret.


47 has Rambo in:

1. Speed.
2. Agility.
3. Shooting Accuracy.
4. Intelligence.
5. Experience.
6. Bladed weapon combat.
7. H2H combat.


Rambo has him in:

1. Jungle combat experience (but not by much, imo).
2. Strength.
3. Willpower.
4. Durability/pain tolerance.



Because of 47s speed over Rambo, I say Rambo gets a bullet between the eyes a split second before Rambo puts a bullet between 47s eyes.

47 wins 8 out of 10 matches."

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
So 47 just sets the woods on fire and kills Rambo, eh? Kinda like Rambo set the bushes on fire and killed the VC, eh? Rambo actually did what you said 47 would do. If anything, he'll lure 47 into a false sense of security then fry his ass.


Rambo has better screen feats here. Period.

No, he sets the forest on fire in order to lure Rambo in a certain direction, for whatever purpose that might be. The forest fire was just one idea, I could think of. 47 plans so far ahead that it's outright insane. And what Rambo killed wasn't the Vietcong but troops from North Vietnam, there is quite a difference between the two. So let me get this straight 47 who knows everything about Rambo, while Rambo knows nothing about 47, that 47 will be lured into a false sense of security.. how exactly?

Not really no. He was cornered by a bunch of National Guard members, that used his hideout for shooting practice and Rambo would have died had he not found a escape route, 47 would have known that there was a escape route, getting trapped there on purpose and then faked his own death. That is the different levels these two operate on in regards to planning.

Originally posted by Robtard
Rambo is utterly outclassed here.

The introduction of Hitman says 47 was trained since childhood to be "an expert in all forms of combat", that would include warfare in a forest. He out-stalks and take out Rambo with his sniper, the most likely outcome. An expert. Rambo is, as Trautman said, the best.


The best>>>>>an expert. In every way.


Also, this:

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Reading is good. I kinda said I watched First Blood the other day and changed my mind. It was part 1 and 3, actually.


Let's try this another way......What characteristics/traits/skills would you guys say are important in sealing a win here?

Someone address this post, please?

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
An expert. Rambo is, as Trautman said, the best.

The best>>>>>an expert. In every way.



"The best" in Rambo's world, where super-assassins capable of calculating impossible four kilometer sniper shots don't exist.

Rambo is clearly outclassed, 47 is far more ridiculous and "super".

Originally posted by Robtard
Rambo is utterly outclassed here.

The introduction of Hitman says 47 was trained since childhood to be "an expert in all forms of combat", that would include warfare in a forest. He out-stalks and take out Rambo with his sniper, the most likely outcome. No one beats Rambo in the forest aside from maybe Predator 1 Arnold.

Originally posted by Mindset
No one beats Rambo in the forest aside from maybe Predator 1 Arnold.

If some Vietnamese grunts were capable of doing it, a super-assassin can.

What happened to those grunts?

Leave your bald man fetish out of this debate.

47 isn't going to capture him for the purposes of torturing him cos Rambo has a bigger ween and then foolishly allow him to excape. He's simply going to kill his ass.

Nope.

Originally posted by Robtard
47 isn't going to capture him for the purposes of torturing him cos Rambo has a bigger ween and then foolishly allow him to excape. He's simply going to kill his ass.

Nope. Rambo will break him in half.

Agent 47 will wish he was back making pornos again.

Originally posted by Mindset
No one beats Rambo in the forest aside from maybe Predator 1 Arnold.
Or Agent Olyphant.uhuh

True fans would know there was a forest level in the original Hitman, which I will let you know I passed with a would-be SA rating.

Originally posted by Estacado
Or Agent Olyphant.uhuh Raylan > Agent 47

Originally posted by Placidity
True fans would know there was a forest level in the original Hitman, which I will let you know I passed with a would-be SA rating. Don't lie, we all know you didn't.

Originally posted by Mindset


Don't lie, we all know you didn't.

Hey, you weren't meant to say that.

Originally posted by Robtard
"The best" in Rambo's world, where super-assassins capable of calculating impossible four kilometer sniper shots don't exist.

Rambo is clearly outclassed, 47 is far more ridiculous and "super".

Lol, 4 kilo sniper shot in a dense forest?

Fail.


Also, this, again:

Reading is good. I kinda said I watched First Blood the other day and changed my mind. It was part 1 and 3, actually.


Let's try this another way......What characteristics/traits/skills would you guys say are important in sealing a win here?


Someone address this. Stop dodging and address it.

Originally posted by Mindset
No one beats Rambo in the forest aside from maybe Predator 1 Arnold. They know.

I forgot that torture, physically and mentally, was part of the assassins regular training even from children. Durability and Pain Tolerance goes to 47.

That would include willpower because they were trained to resist interrogation for years as children up to adults.

47 has Rambo in:

1. Speed.
2. Agility.
3. Shooting Accuracy.
4. Intelligence.
5. Experience.
6. Bladed weapon combat.
7. H2H combat.
8. Durability and Pain Tolerance.
9. Willpower.


Rambo has him in:

1. Jungle combat experience (but not by much, imo).
2. Strength.


I could also be wrong on strength, as well. I need to re-watch the assassin movie to see if he has greater strength feats. Until then, I am giving it to Rambo.

Lol.

I already addressed this on page one, but what the hey, I'll address it yet again. See, I address points, I don't dodge them.


Originally posted by dadudemon
I forgot that torture, physically and mentally, was part of the assassins regular training even from children. Durability and Pain Tolerance goes to 47.

That would include willpower because they were trained to resist interrogation for years as children up to adults.

Nothing 477 went through compares to the torture Rambo went through. Idiocy to say otherwise.

Questionable.

No. Rambo was climbing a sheer cliff face in Rambo 3.

With a sniper rifle only.

Lol, what's 2+2?

No. Rambo fought in the Vietnam war all day every day for years.

Yes.

Questionable.

Shut up, Rambo has FAR more.

No. Rambo has FAR more.


Yup.


Trolllollollol?



Now, I gave you the courtesy of answering your points twice. What characteristics/traits/skills would you guys say are important in sealing a win here?


Someone address this. Stop dodging and address it.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Questionable.

No. Rambo was climbing a sheer cliff face in Rambo 3.

With a sniper rifle only.

Lol, what's 2+2?

No. Rambo fought in the Vietnam war all day every day for years.

Yes.

Questionable.

Shut up, Rambo has FAR more.

No. Rambo has FAR more.


Yup.


Trolllollollol?



Now, I gave you the courtesy of answering your points twice. What characteristics/traits/skills would you guys say are important in sealing a win here?


Someone address this. Stop dodging and address it.



Originally posted by dadudemon
I forgot that torture, physically and mentally, was part of the assassins regular training even from children. Durability and Pain Tolerance goes to 47.

That would include willpower because they were trained to resist interrogation for years as children up to adults.


Originally posted by dadudemon
47 has Rambo in:

1. Speed.
2. Agility.
3. Shooting Accuracy.
4. Intelligence.
5. Experience.
6. Bladed weapon combat.
7. H2H combat.
8. Durability and Pain Tolerance.
9. Willpower.


Rambo has him in:

1. Jungle combat experience (but not by much, imo).
2. Strength.


I could also be wrong on strength, as well. I need to re-watch the assassin movie to see if he has greater strength feats. Until then, I am giving it to Rambo.




http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=573584&from=thread&pagenumber=3#post14130672

Lol, Training, dude. Training. Training and screen feats. Rambo has far superior screen feats. Almost everything in your post is wrong.

And training? Pfffft, not even close. Yes, 47 was trained from childhood to be a super assassin, but Rambo? Not only is he more deadly with guns and shit, he was, well, here's the quote from First Blood: "Back there I could fly a gunship, I could drive a tank. I was in charge of million-dollar equipment." 47 is not trained as thoroughly as Rambo, simple as that.

Here, I'll rape your post again:

Again, questionable.



Nope. Rambo was, as I said, climbing sheer cliff faces with no gear.



Only with a sniper rifle. Rambo is better with assault rifles and handguns.

The smarter man does not always win. Rocky Balboa for one.

No. Rambo was at war day in, day out, for years.



I agree.



Questionable.



Lol, no, Rambo has much more of this.



No. Watch the Rambo movies and get back to me.



Stop talking, you are beaten.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Lol, Training, dude. Training. Training and screen feats. Rambo has far superior screen feats. Almost everything in your post is wrong.

And training? Pfffft, not even close. Yes, 47 was trained from childhood to be a super assassin, but Rambo? Not only is he more deadly with guns and shit, he was, well, here's the quote from First Blood: "Back there I could fly a gunship, I could drive a tank. I was in charge of million-dollar equipment." 47 is not trained as thoroughly as Rambo, simple as that.

Here, I'll rape your post again:

Again, questionable.



Nope. Rambo was, as I said, climbing sheer cliff faces with no gear.



Only with a sniper rifle. Rambo is better with assault rifles and handguns.

The smarter man does not always win. Rocky Balboa for one.

No. Rambo was at war day in, day out, for years.



I agree.



Questionable.



Lol, no, Rambo has much more of this.



No. Watch the Rambo movies and get back to me.



Stop talking, you are beaten.


Originally posted by Robtard
Rambo is utterly outclassed here.

The introduction of Hitman says 47 was trained since childhood to be "an expert in all forms of combat", that would include warfare in a forest. He out-stalks and take out Rambo with his sniper, the most likely outcome.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=573584&from=thread&pagenumber=3#post14130672

Lol, lookit the troll!!!!!


The best>>>>>>>expert. All day, every day. Accept it.

The dickridin' of Rambo can stop now he needs to take a rest cause he is exhausted....

Not dickriding, just quoting superior screen feats.

Its OK, I know it must suck to lose.

Originally posted by Estacado
The dickridin' of Rambo can stop now he needs to take a rest cause he is exhausted....

Dude, not fair. He conceded his entire argument in this post by admitting, indirectly that Agent 47 wins:

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Lol, lookit the troll!!!!!


The best>>>>>>>expert. All day, every day. Accept it.



I must say that this is a new thing for you, Casper Whitey: admitting you're wrong and moving on.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Lol, 4 kilo sniper shot in a dense forest?

Fail.


Also, this, again:

Reading is good. I kinda said I watched First Blood the other day and changed my mind. It was part 1 and 3, actually.


Let's try this another way......What characteristics/traits/skills would you guys say are important in sealing a win here?


Someone address this. Stop dodging and address it.

You failed to see the point again, I didn't say "47 makes a 4km sniper shot in the forest", his ability to make an impossible 4km shot happen shows how far about he is to Rambo, who by comparison is grounded more in reality.

Again? You asked DDM that.

Skills would be what's important here; 47 is above Rambo.

Rambo rips this bald phuck in half.

Then he phucks him silly.

No homo.

I cant hear you over the sound of how awesome 47 is.
Also he uses his Instinct vision to see through trees then uses bullet time point shooting.

That's the sound of Rambo making 47 squeal like a pig as Burt Reynolds watches in approval.

Then Rambo wakes up from his wet dream and 47 kills him with by cuting his head of with a leaf or his suit pricetag.

Sorry, there is no scenario in which Rambo doesn't rape 47 Deliverance style.

Maybe he is raping some other bald guy but not 47.

Robtard?

Maybe those bald guys all look the same.

Originally posted by Robtard
You failed to see the point again, I didn't say "47 makes a 4km sniper shot in the forest", his ability to make an impossible 4km shot happen shows how far about he is to Rambo, who by comparison is grounded more in reality. Cool story. That shot was all rifle and you know it.

I did. He answered then I raped him. You answer and I'll rape you. Again.

Lol no. Rambo is more thoroughly trained. This is fact and cannot be disputed.


Originally posted by dadudemon
Dude, not fair. He conceded his entire argument in this post by admitting, indirectly that Agent 47 wins:





I must say that this is a new thing for you, Casper Whitey: admitting you're wrong and moving on. Lol, troll fail.

Originally posted by Mindset
Sorry, there is no scenario in which Rambo doesn't rape 47 Deliverance style. They know.

47 would destroy Rambo. As long as he knows where Rambo is, Rambo has no chance. He'll probably just remote-bomb him like Ovie. 47 would dominate him in any CQB confrontation, although the gunfight would be a doozy.

But yeah, if he knows where Rambo is, 47 Ovies him no question