Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He didn't exactly suck. He defeated a Jedi Master in seconds without a Lightsaber.
Who?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Point is Dooku mentioned after he trained Opress that he only finished "the first stages" of his training. I.e. Not yet at the level he wanted him to be.
Point is he didn't know what level he wanted him to be.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well Dooku's pretty damn powerful himself. When Mace Windu can defeat Sidious on his own why's it hard to believe Count Dooku with the aid of another Sith Lord could be a match for Sids?
You do realise that three jedi masters were slaughtered, two blitzed and another quickly killed, this while Mace was there. Dooku and Maul wouldn't stand a chance.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well how did Dooku know about Maul destroying Black Sun?? He obviously had an idea of who Maul was, what he did and what he was capable of.
He knew of it because there's been showings of Maul doing it in other book(s). It'd be stupid if Dooku knew about somethng that we've never seen before. Therefore it's also more likely that he isn't as good with the force per TPM as you assume him to be.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And he knew he was significantly above Qui-Gon as well whose abilities Dooku was obviously very familiar with.
I refuse to believe Dooku was given an essay about Qui-Gon's fight with Maul, especially since only Obi-Wan was there. And he certainly knows nothing about Maul's force powers at this point.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So he would have had a fair idea of Maul's abilities at least.
nah
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There is a huge difference in their skill levels. That's why Opress wanted to find Maul remember, to learn to use his powers from a much more experienced, masterful and skilled force warrior.
Don't contradict yourself. When I pointed out Savage said ''you've grown so powerful'' you said it was since he met him so he didn't know anything about TPM Maul's skills. Now you say Savage thought of Maul as a much more skilled warrior, proof of this?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Kicking in the knee is a martial art tactic designed to weaken your opponent. Especially if he's some big brute.
Doesn't really have anything to do with handling strenght IMO.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your really doubting a lot about what Maul could do and seem to be putting everything Maul does now down to Talzin's boost.
Because the opposite would be unlogical IMO.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And yet so far Maul doesn't seem surprised at all by what he's capable of,
Really? You really think he'd stand and say ''I'm more powerful than I've ever been before!''?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
and not one mention yet about him being much more powerful than he ever was.
Nope, only the narrator which I've already pointed out.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nope Qui-Gon wasn't even sure him and Obi-Wan together could defeat Maul.
and he wasn't sure of defeat either, unlike Bondara.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol Qui-Gon can't win here. Because we only saw him fight Maul and he lost. So that automatically makes him weak to people. Makes no sense to me though.
Unfortunately for Qui-Gon that's what is most logical to do.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Qui-Gon could have easily been above Grievous's level and TPM Maul could have easily been above Ventress's level.
They would need feats for that, or statements proving so.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
In fact we would expect that considering he was a fully trained Sith Lord unlike Ventress who was a wannabe. And let's not forget Sidious chose Maul trained him himself vigorously for years, whilst Sidious wasn't interested in Ventress in the slightest.
Even though Sidious says he is very impressed by Ventress and then later want her dead.
and this doesn't matter anyway. Grievous also says ''You consider him a threat?'' about Savage but doesn't mean Grievous>Savage.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
This all comes down to your assuming Maul and Qui-Gon to be very weak. Whilst I'm assuming them to be much stronger.
not very weak, just weaker than everyone else who are almost all very strong.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Being chosen as an apprentice by Sidious, the unparalleled training for over a decade, all the statements about his unmatched combat skills, Sidious's own opinion of him, Dooku's words and opinion of him.
Just because he was chosen by Sidious doesn't mean he's good. Even Ki-Adi Mundi was chosen by Yoda, but he's not so grand. Then you've also yet to provide any statements or even Sidious' own opinion of him. Dooku's words are what? the ones about making Savage as powerful as Maul? already addressed this point.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And then there's Current Maul's feats.
considering TPM Maul was floored by an enraged TPM Kenobi and CW Maul's stomp of Savage, CW>TPM Maul.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And he's not exactly saying Oh my frigging word I just moved a Jedi craft, and levitated a Jedi Master! Thanks Talzin your the best!
Of course not. That would look very, very stupid.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Given all that I'm pretty sure he must have always been powerful. There's no way I'll believe he was below Ventress level, that's for sure.
I'd put TPM Maul a little above Ventress with a saber and a little below with the force.
And likewise I could say Anoon losing to Maul says more about how good Maul is instead of taking away from Anoon.. See how that works??
No, because that was Ashoka's and Fisto's ''positive'' feats that I'm aware of, but Grievous has many more feats to determine his powers. It's more logical to credit Ashoka and Fisto than to not say Grievous is bad by those performances.
in comparison, Maul was floored by an enraged TPM Kenobi as I've already pointed. This Kenobi's saber skills aren't second to none, so this further proves that the statement about Anoon is a hyperole