Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I will focus on this one point specifically first
so as to not have it overlooked by a spam attack of scans
if i respond to every point at once.
Lets begin
The scan clearly states that our universe itself is a multiverse.
Do not twist unambiguous statements to coincide with your interpretation.
He states the thing he has noticed about our universe is that IT
IS MANY LAYERED AND ITSELF A MULTIVERSE
That statement is not open to interpretation.
It does not give room for an alternative interpretation.
He clearly states that hes noticed the universe itself is made up of many layers
and states that it itself is a type of multiverse.
Nowhere in his statements does he say the universe is one of many in a multiverse.
He clearly marks out the subject of his observations as the universe, then he talks
about what hes observed about the universes nature, that it is many layered, he
states that the universe IS a multiverse. NOT that it is a part of one. That
was not the point he was trying to make.
Love how you have the audacity to request I refrain from supposed 'twisting of unambiguous statements
to coincide with my interpretation' ...
... Yet, unbelievably. you're actually doing exactly that. You thought I'd miss it?
Bill Mantlo NEVER said: "Our Universe is many layered {AND ITSELF} a Multiverse"
Mantlo also NEVER said: "it is {itself a type of} multiverse"
** Not that I would really expect any more from you,
always less in fact and less lately than ever,
but I'm gonna call ya on the lie for trying to insult me with your pompous comedy.
Mantlo only said: "Our Universe ... it is many layered,
composed of a seemingly endless number of Dimensions.
Indeed, IT IS a Multiverse."
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Nice try on separating the actual context of the dialogue by adding 'AND ITSELF'
or the other nonsense ... 'is itself a type of multiverse.'
Bill Mantlo was direct and plain and never suggested that the Singular Universe which is 616,
or any other for that matter,
is another "multiverse" aside from the Multiverse of alternate/parallel realities.
There is only ONE basic kind of Pocket universe ... or Universe ... or Multiverse in Marvel comics.
Asgard or Mephisto's realm are "Pocket" universes. (which are limited in size)
Reality 616 is one whole universe. (all whole universes are infinite)
The prime (mainstream) Multiverse (contains an infinite number of Divergent/Parallel/Alternate whole UniverseS)
There are several realms outside Space-Time & 616
that are associated with 616, like Atleza's domain,
or the Masters of the Matrix, even your WHR and other Nexuses like Manthing's.
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This is from the Marvel official Handbook 2006:
"A Universe is a SINGLE-Dimension Reality, such as Earth 616,
the Mainstream Marvel Universe.
The Multiverse ...
is the collection of Alternate Dimensions with a similar nature and Universal hierarchy.
Earth 616 and Alternates seen in the Marvel Universe
(which include being like the Watcher, Eternity etc) are withIN the SAME Multiverse.
Realms LACKING this hierarchy of Power are OUTSIDE of the Multiverse.
The Realms with a Multiverse are divided into Divergent Earths,
who share a common history and Diverge at a specific point,
and Alternate Earths,
who are similar, but posses many inherent differences"
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That says it all, but the 2008 GLossary of definitions is more precise:
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Earth 616: (616 Universe)
"Core Continuum designation given to the Prime Earth of the Marvel Universe,
Reality from which most Alternate Earths derive"
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Multiverse: (group of alternate/divergent/parallel UniverseS)
"Group of Alternate UniverseS containing the same Hierarchy,
including Eternity, Infinity and the Watchers"
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Alternate Earth: (Alternate Universe)
"A World resembling Earth which coexist with Earth-616 in another Dimensional Space"
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Divergent Earth: (Divergent Universe)
"Alternate Earth which was once parallel to Earth-616,
until a change altered how it's history unfolded."
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Parallel World: (Parallel Universe)
"A World that exists in another Dimension
whose Reality never diverged from but is parallel to Reality Earth-616"
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2008 Glossary of Definitions also tells us:
Dimension stands for "Universe/Realm containing Space, Time, Matter and Energy"
On Panel just as well:
"Universes are referred to as Dimensions"
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Now a "Pocket Dimension" is different than an actual "Dimension" ...
... it is NOT an entire Universe!
Pocket Dimension: (pocket universe)
"Universe whose Spatial size is limited."
Of course ... this add on ("Pocket"
isn't always included when referencing one in certain stories.
e.g. Many times you'll read in stories 'defend the realm of Asgard' ... if one didn't know better,
they'd probably think this means Asgard is an infinite universe since the character didn't say:
'defend the pocket-realm of Asgard' ... but then other stories would enlighten you with what it really is.
Heck, I have a story where Thor states Asgard (including the space around the land)
is akin to the milky way in size. Doesn't matter though,
because it occupies its own Space-Time its a Universe.
Grant it limited in size but the definition of a Pocket Universe non-theless.
Pocket Universes and regular Universes (divergent/parallel/alternate) are the same shit,
only difference is size. Pockets come in many sizes but Never infinite or near it,
the others are all infinite.
Nevertheless, together they comprise the majority of the Multiversal UniverseS.
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