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Who takes this?

I wouldnt give SBP the win over one of these guys (each almost as powerful as Galactus), let alone both together.

Prime busts open Tenebrous and uses its internal energies to destroy both.

Classic Prime.


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The Boy is way out of his league here. He can't even damage either Tenebrous or Aegis let alone beat them. Aegis kills him while Tenebrous sits back and watches.

Yeah, gotta go with Dampyre here. T and A were in a whole different league than SBP or SCW Anti-Monitor.

Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't the only reason he was able to hurt SCW Anti-Monitor was because the AM was already hurting from being gangbanged by a bunch of Lanterns and Guardians?

The AM got hurt by a Galactic Explosion before Prime went through him. However, to assume Prime wouldn't be able to hurt him otherwise is just that: an assumption. He went through him as if he was nothing and killed him.

People say that Tenebrous and Aegis are in another level, but they got busted by Silver Surfer, a decent and powerful herald, but an herald nontheless. Prime will use the same attack that he used against the AM, plow through T & A and destroy them with their internal energies just as SS did.

Originally posted by Bentley
The AM got hurt by a Galactic Explosion before Prime went through him. However, to assume Prime wouldn't be able to hurt him otherwise is just that: an assumption. He went through him as if he was nothing and killed him.
But he WAS injured prior to SBP killing him. So I was remembering it right.


SS beat them via stupid plot device. He channeled the Big Crunch energies that they just so happened to be near to destroy them (not really, since they were seen alive and well later during the Thanos Imperative).

It's not like SS overpowered them with his Power Cosmic. T or A would crush SBP and even SMP.

Teneberous by himself was going toe to toe with Galactus and it looked like he was winning.

Well, nothing you said is really inexact, but I'd be wary of assuming Tenebrous and Aegis as being in Galactus's level. They are clearly capable of overpowering him together in a random encounter, but they were defeated by Galactus before, and he has infinitely superior feats too. Depending on exactly how close they are to Galactus things could be a little different.

Spite.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Spite.

Prime doesn't win that hard. He was totally unaffected by anti-matter, but this guys can probably throw something nasty at him

Originally posted by Bentley
Prime doesn't win that hard. He was totally unaffected by anti-matter, but this guys can probably throw something nasty at him
Oh ma bad.. I meant spit. That's what will be left of Sbp after he gets raped.

Hard for me to imagine this team doing this to T & A let alone a pinky from either one.jumphttp://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/124493/2732383-superboy_prime_beaten_by_teen_titans2.jpg
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SBP has the chanses of a horsefly trying to bite an elephant (actually two elephants) to death here.

Oh and they are mecha elephants with anti-horsefly lasers, targeting computers and forcefields.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hard for me to imagine this team doing this to T & A let alone a pinky from either one.jumphttp://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/124493/2732383-superboy_prime_beaten_by_teen_titans2.jpg
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Originally posted by Dampyre
The Boy is way out of his league here. He can't even damage either Tenebrous or Aegis let alone beat them. Aegis kills him while Tenebrous sits back and watches.

Whether you think he beats them or not is one thing, to say he can't damage them is absurd.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, gotta go with Dampyre here. T and A were in a whole different league than SBP or SCW Anti-Monitor.

Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't the only reason he was able to hurt SCW Anti-Monitor was because the AM was already hurting from being gangbanged by a bunch of Lanterns and Guardians?

You're right, and that wasn't a full powered AM to begin with either.

The SS did beat both T&A at once though, although there was some plot device involved.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Whether you think he beats them or not is one thing, to say he can't damage them is absurd.

This thread is absurd.

Originally posted by Dampyre
This thread is absurd.

Agreed.

Although I will say, I think some versions of SBP would be able to put up a decent fight against ONE OF these guys, although he'd still lose.

Tenebrous was a brute that enjoyed going fist cuff. Prime dies.

T&A kills SBP. Takes 5 times as long as they needed to kill the Surfer but they kill him easy.

I mean, come on!!

Don't know what merchant was thinking. Should've at least made it GA Prime.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
You're right, and that wasn't a full powered AM to begin with either.

The SS did beat both T&A at once though, although there was some plot device involved.
Not some, A LOT of plot device was involved. Teneberous by himself was going toe to toe with Galactus and it looked like he was winning.

Galactus' armor was wrecked and smoldering, while Teneberous looked just fine. No way is any version of SBP beating that. GA SBP wouldn't even be able to hang for long. He'd be depleted and then crushed by T or A.
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SBP is anywhere from low trans to high trans depending on versions, he's out of his league here. T and A are in the "Galactus and Celestial" level Tier.

Philo never said SBP would win.

T&A wins

Double spite.

Originally posted by carver9
Tenebrous was a brute that enjoyed going fist cuff.

That would be his doom, actually. The best way to deal with Prime would be temporarily getting rid of him by BFR, but if Tenebrous goes physical, Prime would actually be on his game.

Keep in mind that Prime went through anti-matter unaffected, the same kind of thing that vaporized Thanos in an instant. The same Thanos that sent Galactus flying and managed to hold his own against Tyrant. People often underestimate how absurdly powerful SPB is.

prime doesn't have a prayer vs one of the proemial gods let alone two

How does a low showing of Thanos' durability, a high showing of his energy projection ability, a low showing of Galactus' (oftentimes fluctuating) durability and a fight where Thanos was losing to a possibly high trans to low skyfather convert to SBP having a chance vs a high elder hod-low abstract?

Don't even know how this thread is still open.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
How does a low showing of Thanos' durability, a high showing of his energy projection ability, a low showing of Galactus' (oftentimes fluctuating) durability and a fight where Thanos was losing to a possibly high trans to low skyfather convert to SBP having a chance vs a high elder hod-low abstract? It doesn't.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Don't even know how this thread is still open.

Its because of ODG.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
How does a low showing of Thanos' durability, a high showing of his energy projection ability, a low showing of Galactus' (oftentimes fluctuating) durability and a fight where Thanos was losing to a possibly high trans to low skyfather convert to SBP having a chance vs a high elder hod-low abstract?

I'm not actually saying it's proof, but discussing in terms of low/high showings to dismiss it just proves that there are some arbitrary notions at work. There are guys who claim that Depowered Tyrant can beat Galactus on his own, personally I think they are on drugs, but that simple notion allows to simply bend how impressive Tenebrous and Aegis actually were. If Tyrant can be misread as impressive, T&A can also be misread as impressive.

We assume they were Elder God level, but they got punked by Surfer... Easily. There was a plot device in the story, but you expect Surfer to beat Skyfathers and low Elder Gods through plot devices, not abstracts. If Surfer punked Odin with a plot device and then he ended up almost dying, I could conceive it. If he did it to Galactus we would talk about a piss low showing. So I don't adhere to T&A be on Galan's level, because there is simply not enough proof. Why is being beaten by Tyrant or hurt by Thanos a low showing for Big G but his defeat against T&A is entirely fair? Let's remember when Galactus faced Scryer and the Other, or against the Galactus Engine to see the level of Galactus actual battle prowess. Even Uatu has vastly better showings than T&A, and there was even a Watcher among the Proemial Gods...

But I'll readily admit that the comparision passing by Tyrant/Galactus/Thanos is pretty streched out. I'm pretty much just mentioning it because they are cosmic characters and they've faced Surfer.

Team easily.

Originally posted by Bentley
That would be his doom, actually. The best way to deal with Prime would be temporarily getting rid of him by BFR, but if Tenebrous goes physical, Prime would actually be on his game.

Keep in mind that Prime went through anti-matter unaffected, the same kind of thing that vaporized Thanos in an instant. The same Thanos that sent Galactus flying and managed to hold his own against Tyrant. People often underestimate how absurdly powerful SPB is.

Originally posted by Bentley
Its because of ODG.



I'm not actually saying it's proof, but discussing in terms of low/high showings to dismiss it just proves that there are some arbitrary notions at work. There are guys who claim that Depowered Tyrant can beat Galactus on his own, personally I think they are on drugs, but that simple notion allows to simply bend how impressive Tenebrous and Aegis actually were. If Tyrant can be misread as impressive, T&A can also be misread as impressive.

We assume they were Elder God level, but they got punked by Surfer... Easily. There was a plot device in the story, but you expect Surfer to beat Skyfathers and low Elder Gods through plot devices, not abstracts. If Surfer punked Odin with a plot device and then he ended up almost dying, I could conceive it. If he did it to Galactus we would talk about a piss low showing. So I don't adhere to T&A be on Galan's level, because there is simply not enough proof. Why is being beaten by Tyrant or hurt by Thanos a low showing for Big G but his defeat against T&A is entirely fair? Let's remember when Galactus faced Scryer and the Other, or against the Galactus Engine to see the level of Galactus actual battle prowess. Even Uatu has vastly better showings than T&A, and there was even a Watcher among the Proemial Gods...

But I'll readily admit that the comparision passing by Tyrant/Galactus/Thanos is pretty streched out. I'm pretty much just mentioning it because they are cosmic characters and they've faced Surfer.

That's just horrible logic mixed with flat-out lies. Wow.

Originally posted by Bentley
Prime busts open Tenebrous and uses its internal energies to destroy both.

Classic Prime.


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Who's bones are those in the scan? Always thought it was a Guardians but now I don't think so. Is it a GL? Which one?

Prime gets murdered. Surfer was shattered fighting these two and at no point did he harm them.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Who's bones are those in the scan? Always thought it was a Guardians but now I don't think so. Is it a GL? Which one?

Prime gets murdered. Surfer was shattered fighting these two and at no point did he harm them. Cyborg Superman.

Because I'm pretty sure the writer's didn't factor in anti-matter in his body.

Also lol at Carvley.

Originally posted by Bentley
Its because of ODG.



I'm not actually saying it's proof, but discussing in terms of low/high showings to dismiss it just proves that there are some arbitrary notions at work. There are guys who claim that Depowered Tyrant can beat Galactus on his own, personally I think they are on drugs, but that simple notion allows to simply bend how impressive Tenebrous and Aegis actually were. If Tyrant can be misread as impressive, T&A can also be misread as impressive.

We assume they were Elder God level, but they got punked by Surfer... Easily. There was a plot device in the story, but you expect Surfer to beat Skyfathers and low Elder Gods through plot devices, not abstracts. If Surfer punked Odin with a plot device and then he ended up almost dying, I could conceive it. If he did it to Galactus we would talk about a piss low showing. So I don't adhere to T&A be on Galan's level, because there is simply not enough proof. Why is being beaten by Tyrant or hurt by Thanos a low showing for Big G but his defeat against T&A is entirely fair? Let's remember when Galactus faced Scryer and the Other, or against the Galactus Engine to see the level of Galactus actual battle prowess. Even Uatu has vastly better showings than T&A, and there was even a Watcher among the Proemial Gods...

But I'll readily admit that the comparision passing by Tyrant/Galactus/Thanos is pretty streched out. I'm pretty much just mentioning it because they are cosmic characters and they've faced Surfer.

- Thanos' force was wrecked and he was nearly killed by Galactus.
Tenebrous took Galactus attack and returned the favor. Galactus looked worse in that exchange.

- Prime flew through Anti-Matter
Surfer flew through the Crunch, energy that would have consumed Galactus and the Proemial Gods
Thanos still stomp Surfer.

- Surfer beat the Proemial Gods using the Crunch plot device.
Surfer couldn't harm either until that point. He was a nuisance that was getting blasted apart literally.


Prime would get wreck by either of these two.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Cyborg Superman.

Because I'm pretty sure the writer's didn't factor in anti-matter in his body.

Also lol at Carvley.

But what was it doing near AM?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
But what was it doing near AM? He was trapped in the dome with AM when they kablooeyed AM with a big kaboom.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Cyborg Superman.

Because I'm pretty sure the writer's didn't factor in anti-matter in his body.

Also lol at Carvley.

Who is Carvley?

Originally posted by carver9
Who is Carvley? Yeah, that was a little harsh to you.

When you stoop farther into that dark depression tearing at every fiber of your soul and bring your unbridled pain onto the forum in the form of defending comic characters to the death, we can say you're being a real Bentley.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, that was a little harsh to you.

When you stoop farther into that dark depression tearing at every fiber of your soul and bring your unbridled pain onto the forum in the form of defending comic characters to the death, we can say you're being a real Bentley.


Lol...d***.

Originally posted by Bentley
I'm not actually saying it's proof, but discussing in terms of low/high showings to dismiss it just proves that there are some arbitrary notions at work. There are guys who claim that Depowered Tyrant can beat Galactus on his own, personally I think they are on drugs, but that simple notion allows to simply bend how impressive Tenebrous and Aegis actually were. If Tyrant can be misread as impressive, T&A can also be misread as impressive.

We assume they were Elder God level, but they got punked by Surfer... Easily. There was a plot device in the story, but you expect Surfer to beat Skyfathers and low Elder Gods through plot devices, not abstracts. If Surfer punked Odin with a plot device and then he ended up almost dying, I could conceive it. If he did it to Galactus we would talk about a piss low showing. So I don't adhere to T&A be on Galan's level, because there is simply not enough proof. Why is being beaten by Tyrant or hurt by Thanos a low showing for Big G but his defeat against T&A is entirely fair? Let's remember when Galactus faced Scryer and the Other, or against the Galactus Engine to see the level of Galactus actual battle prowess. Even Uatu has vastly better showings than T&A, and there was even a Watcher among the Proemial Gods...

But I'll readily admit that the comparision passing by Tyrant/Galactus/Thanos is pretty streched out. I'm pretty much just mentioning it because they are cosmic characters and they've faced Surfer.

I can't follow the logic you're trying to use, tho.

Plot devices are just that. Devices used in plot that allow a character to achieve things needed for the plot to progress. If a plot permits (as stretched as it is), Aunt May should be able to one shot the The Living Tribunal.

Tyrant beat Galan via plot device as well, IIRC. He wasn't hurt by Thanos' blast, his armor was broken and he was flung, but that's it. And I agree, Galactus is pretty badass when he fights for real but there is little we can get from a comparison (with regards to this fight) between Tyrant/Thanos/Galactus without resorting to low showings cherry picking and ignoring tons of context and PIS.

Also, I'd put SBP (non GA) about the same level as Thanos, tbh. And T&A would downright rapestompmassacresodomize Thanos. The same would occur here with SBP.

yeah, i actually can't believe this is still open. minus plot device, prime gets slaughtered imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i actually can't believe this is still open. minus plot device, prime gets slaughtered imo.

Yep.

Nobody herald level is beating this team without some serious plot help. That was how Surfer did it after all. Closed.