Weight lifting competition

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Mshinu
The following guys and gals enter an olympic style weight lifting competition. In what order do they place?

Rhino
Colossus
Warpath
Blob
Thing
Doc Samson
Champion
She Hulk
Thundra
She Rulk
Miss Marvel
Ares (Marvel)

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Mshinu


hulk


Rhino
Colossus
Warpath
Blob
Thing
Doc Samson
Champion
She Hulk
Thundra
She Rulk
Miss Marvel
Ares (Marvel)


Sentry

StiltmanFTW
Looks like a job for dcnu Superman, no fighting needed lol

Mshinu
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Looks like a job for dcnu Superman, no fighting needed lol

These weights are made from ship metal. wink

StiltmanFTW
laughing

golem370
Thing use to be one of the strongest characters in Marvel or on earth

Mshinu
Originally posted by golem370
Thing use to be one of the strongest characters in Marvel or on earth

So does he win here?

(and the rest of you stop throwing loosers like Hulk, Supes and Sentry ino my thread)

golem370
Champion imo he almost killed Thing with in three boxing rounds.

zopzop
Going by strictly ON PANEL feats of strength?

It's gotta be Thing (with Colossus and Doc Samson being the runners up).

Thing lifted a brownstone and held together a suspension bridge for a few seconds/minutes.

Doc Samson lifted a building up from it's foundations and shook crooks out of it.

Colossus lifted that huge ass stone pillar and smacked Gladiator on the head with it.

There's probably more crap I'm missing but you get the point.

Mindship
Originally posted by Mshinu
The following guys and gals enter an olympic style weight lifting competition... Did you pick Olympic lifting because this also tests coordination, balance, flexibility, as well as strength?

pym-ftw
Isn't colossus class 100?
And Thing 80ish

SamZED
Originally posted by zopzop
Going by strictly ON PANEL feats of strength?

It's gotta be Thing (with Colossus and Doc Samson being the runners up).

Thing lifted a brownstone and held together a suspension bridge for a few seconds/minutes.

Doc Samson lifted a building up from it's foundations and shook crooks out of it.

Colossus lifted that huge ass stone pillar and smacked Gladiator on the head with it.

There's probably more crap I'm missing but you get the point. Colossus also briefly supported that hugeass falling spaceship in secret wars.

zopzop
Originally posted by SamZED
Colossus also briefly supported that hugeass falling spaceship in secret wars.
Wasn't really that huge big grin But yeah, it's still worth mentioning because it was crashing down on him and he held it up.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by zopzop
Wasn't really that huge big grin

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon5.gif

That's NOT what she said! uhuh

zopzop
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon5.gif

That's NOT what she said! uhuh
embarrasment

In all seriousness, it wasn't that big and it was engaging it's thrusters to help it land. In Colossus' defense, he was recovering from wounds while he did that.
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/497/4569kq.jpg

Mshinu
Originally posted by Mindship
Did you pick Olympic lifting because this also tests coordination, balance, flexibility, as well as strength?

I m asking the questions in this thread. wink

So what will the results be?

-Pr-
Aquaman.

ColossusGrundy
Originally posted by -Pr-
Aquaman.

no

-Pr-
Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
no

Right now, you could definitely argue that he's as strong or stronger than a good portion of the field.

So yes.

Mindship
Originally posted by Mshinu
I m asking the questions in this thread. wink

So what will the results be? H'm. This is tougher than if they were powerlifting. Gotta process the other factors...

Mshinu
Originally posted by -Pr-
Aquaman.

Arthur slipped on fish slime and failed to make it trough the qualifying rounds. Sorry.

StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

thumb up

zopzop
Aquaman can easily hang with ANY of the beings listed here in terms of lifting feats.

StiltmanFTW
http://i49.tinypic.com/1672rue.jpg

-Pr-
Originally posted by Mshinu
Arthur slipped on fish slime and failed to make it trough the qualifying rounds. Sorry.

If you're going to try to make a funny Aquaman joke, you've gotta try a little harder.

God forbid he makes someone you like in this thread look bad, right?

zopzop
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://i49.tinypic.com/1672rue.jpg
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/4/5/23/haters-gonna-hate-32402-1270523864-286.jpg

The Sorrow
She-Rulk IS the strongest here.

Mshinu
Originally posted by -Pr-
If you're going to try to make a funny Aquaman joke, you've gotta try a little harder.

God forbid he makes someone you like in this thread look bad, right?

I am not in love woth any of them... except maybe Blob embarrasment

Anyway I did not include him in the opening post and everyone throwing in their favorite is getting tiresome.

carver9
She Rulk.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Mshinu
I am not in love woth any of them... except maybe Blob embarrasment

Anyway I did not include him in the opening post and everyone throwing in their favorite is getting tiresome.

laughing out loud

Mshinu
Thanks Carver. Care to list who takes 2nd and maybe some more?

zopzop
Originally posted by The Sorrow
She-Rulk IS the strongest here. Originally posted by carver9
She Rulk.
Best lifting feats on panel?

The Sorrow
Originally posted by zopzop
Best lifting feats on panel?
Strength is strength whether it's lifting or not, but she's held up a bridge, beat down upgraded Samson in a few blows (he wasn't fighting back though), beat She-Hulk and Lyra at the same time, punched through a dimension etc and it's been shown she can "Hulk up" even past her female hulk form which is already class 100.

ODG
How Champion is being overlooked here is baffling.

carver9
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Strength is strength whether it's lifting or not, but she's held up a bridge, beat down upgraded Samson in a few blows (he wasn't fighting back though), beat She-Hulk and Lyra at the same time, punched through a dimension etc and it's been shown she can "Hulk up" even past her female hulk form which is already class 100.

She also had a good showing against Nul. She held him at bay until her team came to back her up.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by ODG
How Champion is being overlooked here is baffling.

I agree.

Mindship
Champion ftw.

zopzop
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Strength is strength whether it's lifting or not, but she's held up a bridge, beat down upgraded Samson in a few blows (he wasn't fighting back though), beat She-Hulk and Lyra at the same time, punched through a dimension etc and it's been shown she can "Hulk up" even past her female hulk form which is already class 100.
This isn't a fight "VS" thread, it's a weightlifting "VS" thread. On panel lifting feats are the only ones that count here.

So on panel, she's held up a bridge? What was the size of it? Got any scans?

StiltmanFTW
I liked Samson avi and sig better.

zopzop
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I liked Samson avi and sig better.
I've moved on already smile

Plus this was my favorite version of Hercules. Marvel should REALLY bring back this look.

StiltmanFTW
It's blurred.

zopzop
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's blurred.
Blurred? I see it just fine?

StiltmanFTW
Probably has something to do with my tired eyes and grouchiness, but your previous sets seemed to have higher quality.

Branlor Swift
It's not of a very good quality.

If you're going to showcase Hunkules' chest hair, you make sure all in attendance can see every hair follicle.

zopzop
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Probably has something to do with my tired eyes and grouchiness, but your previous sets seemed to have higher quality. Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's not of a very good quality.

If you're going to showcase Hunkules' chest hair, you make sure all in attendance can see every hair follicle.
Wow it's THAT bad? Damn way to make me feel like crap sad

Branlor Swift
Job well done IMO.















If you're not peaking through my window right now, I'm patting myself on the back.

bluewaterrider
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She-Rulk is consistently shown to be stronger than Jen, matching even Greg Pak's powerful "Heart of the Monster" (HoTM) and Worldbreaker versions of Bruce in recent showings.

Jen, meanwhile, is generally portrayed as more or less the equivalent of Thing, historically even substituting for him in many Fantastic Four adventures. Under normal conditions, Thing might have a slight advantage over her ... it's really tough to call.
However, the OP says these people are entering a weightlifting competition. This implies there is some conventional preparation and training for the event. Advantage shifts rapidly and decisively in Jen's favor in that case, as has already been explored previously in her run (She-Hulk #8 or thereabouts, Dan Schott).

Thing gets the nod over Champion. Champion's beating of the Thing and Champion's other opponents was dependent on Champion's possession of the Power Gem of Infinity. Jen beat the crap out of Champion when he was stripped of the gem. When she used it herself, conversely, even though in her purely HUMAN form, NOT as She-Hulk, Jen knocked out the powerful villainess Titania, a standard spar of She-Hulk, and her near equal or perhaps even slight superior in terms of pure strength.


Champion can take Thing's spot if someone has a showing I don't know of where he beats Ben without the gem.
Otherwise he can contend with Thundra for the #4 spot, who herself used to give Ben fits ...

bluewaterrider
1. She Rulk

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14067128


2. She Hulk



http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14124836
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14124869
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14125463





3. Thing

4. Champion

5. Thundra
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14124903
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14124904

Rhino

Warpath

Doc Samson

Colossus

Miss Marvel

Blob

Ares (Marvel)

Mshinu
Not a bad list bluewaterrider. But Colossus that low, under Rhino and Warpath?

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by Mshinu
Not a bad list bluewaterrider. But Colossus that low, under Rhino and Warpath?


Most of what I've seen from Colossus in the comics is from the 1980s.

Rhino was duking it out with Hulk 'roundabout that era, Colossus was getting served in barroom brawls with the Juggernaut (Cain Marko in his civilian guise in that instance).

I don't know much about Warpath, but the little I've read about him tells me he gave a good account of himself against Jug, which, again, is the complete opposite of Pete against Juggernaut.

I'll accept that Pete may somehow some way have had his strength greatly enhanced since then. The one I remember, however, belongs right where I put him.

Mshinu
That explains it I guess, thanks.

zopzop
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
1. She Rulk

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14067128


2. She Hulk



http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14124836
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14124869
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14125463





3. Thing

4. Champion

5. Thundra
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14124903
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14124904

Rhino

Warpath

Doc Samson

Colossus

Miss Marvel

Blob

Ares (Marvel)
This is a weightlifting competition and your scan of Red She Hulk is one displaying her striking power. That's like saying Rampage Jackson would win a World's Strongest Man competition because he can beat up any of the contestants. It don't work that way.

It's a similar situation with your Thundra/Thing scans. That was a fight not a lifting feat.

The She Hulk scan is when she had an amp (by training in Jen Walters form), she's no longer that strong no?

EDIT, these are examples of weightlifting (on panel) :
Doc Samson lifts an entire building from it's foundations and shakes out crooks :
http://imageshack.us/a/img385/5472/spidey25ik.th.jpg

Thing supporting a collapsing oil rig :
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8790/2640715thingandoilrigsu.th.jpg

Thing has also held a suspension bridge together for a couple of seconds/minutes:
http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/FF/ff234.jpg

Lifts the Glass Pyramid in front of the Louve in Paris (I think):
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4287/molepiramide.th.jpg

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by zopzop

The She Hulk scan is when she had an amp (by training in Jen Walters form), she's no longer that strong no?



The premise of this thread is that these characters are entering an Olympic style contest, Zop, implying some degree of training for the event.

IF Jen trains for the purpose of seriously competing in an Olympic style contest, as the original poster's 1st post asks us to consider, Jen gets stronger than Thing, simple as that, and stronger by far.

The premise is sound.
The concept is sound.

And comic book history backs it up.


Check out She-Hulk Volume 2, starting around issue #8 or so.

curryman
Champion no doubt.

zopzop
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The premise of this thread is that these characters are entering an Olympic style contest, Zop, implying some degree of training for the event.

IF Jen trains for the purpose of seriously competing in an Olympic style contest, as the original poster's 1st post asks us to consider, Jen gets stronger than Thing, simple as that, and stronger by far.

The premise is sound.
The concept is sound.

And comic book history backs it up.


Check out She-Hulk Volume 2, starting around issue #8 or so.
Even assuming we can take anything published in Female Deadpool's (aka She Hulk) comic seriously, that doesn't help Red She Hulk and Thundra.

That would also make She Hulk stronger than Hulk, Thor, and Hercules. roll eyes (sarcastic)

carver9
Zop...

Who do you think is the strongest?

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
Zop...

Who do you think is the strongest?
Strongest? As in LIFTING stuff based on on panel evidence? Thing. Followed by Doc Samson or Colossus (this is ignoring the stupidity that is anything published in a She Hulk comic).

carver9
Originally posted by zopzop
Strongest? As in LIFTING stuff based on on panel evidence? Thing. Followed by Doc Samson or Colossus (this is ignoring the stupidity that is anything published in a She Hulk comic).

But overall, you don't think Thing is stronger than everyone here? You are just going by what's been shown onpanel concerning lifting fts?

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by zopzop


This is a weightlifting competition and your scan of Red She Hulk is one displaying her striking power. That's like saying Rampage Jackson would win a World's Strongest Man competition because he can beat up any of the contestants. It don't work that way.

It's a similar situation with your Thundra/Thing scans. That was a fight not a lifting feat.



Not everything is so easy to separate like that, Zop.

In real life AND in comics, actions take place even in fights that serve as reasonable guides as to how strong character X is versus character Y.

Here, I'll be sightly uncharacteristic of myself in the interest of time ...

A sincere "Thank you" to the poster ODG for posting the following in his Hulk Respect Thread ...



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Blob
===

Savage Hulk vs Blob and Unus, from Marvel Fanfare #7:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob01MarvelFanfare7.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob07.jpg

Mshinu
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The premise of this thread is that these characters are entering an Olympic style contest, Zop, implying some degree of training for the event.

IF Jen trains for the purpose of seriously competing in an Olympic style contest, as the original poster's 1st post asks us to consider, Jen gets stronger than Thing, simple as that, and stronger by far.

The premise is sound.
The concept is sound.

And comic book history backs it up.


Check out She-Hulk Volume 2, starting around issue #8 or so.


Well I did not say anything about prep actually.

Let us say that they have one full day to get ready and each is backed up by a good team with a coach, doctor etc. (No drugs or cheating)

zopzop
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Not everything is so easy to separate like that, Zop.

In real life AND in comics, actions take place even in fights that serve as reasonable guides as to how strong character X is versus character Y.

Here, I'll be sightly uncharacteristic of myself in the interest of time ...

A sincere "Thank you" to the poster ODG for posting the following in his Hulk Respect Thread ...



===
Blob
===

Savage Hulk vs Blob and Unus, from Marvel Fanfare #7:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob01MarvelFanfare7.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBlob07.jpg
I'm missing the Blob lifting feat?

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
But overall, you don't think Thing is stronger than everyone here? You are just going by what's been shown onpanel concerning lifting fts?
That's all we can measure their lifting strength by, what's shown on panel.

Thing may not be the most POWERFUL person in the thread, but going by on panel lifting feats, he got the best ones (out of anyone in this thread).

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by zopzop
I'm missing the Blob lifting feat?


No you're not.

The purpose of showing that was not to show that Blob can lift heavy objects.

The point of that was to show that, even without Blob lifting heavy objects (or Hulk himself lifting any noteworthy heavy objects besides Blob), it is still possible to make the reasonable determination that Hulk is physically stronger than Blob is.

zopzop
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
No you're not.

The purpose of showing that was not to show that Blob can lift heavy objects.

The point of that was to show that, even without Blob lifting heavy objects (or Hulk himself lifting any noteworthy heavy objects besides Blob), it is still possible to make the reasonable determination that Hulk is physically stronger than Blob is.
Those scans showed Hulk is physically stronger than the Blob because he lifted and tossed the Blob around like a ragdoll, despite Blob's best efforts to remain in place.

Those scans were lifting feats for Hulk because he LIFTED the Blob multiple times.

juggernaut74
Blob did look pretty strong there. Hulk punched Blob sqare in the face after taking repeated blows from Blob then Blob knocked Hulk on his @ss.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by zopzop
Even assuming we can take anything published in Female Deadpool's (aka She Hulk) comic seriously, that doesn't help Red She Hulk and Thundra.

That would also make She Hulk stronger than Hulk, Thor, and Hercules. roll eyes (sarcastic)


Jen WAS stronger than Hercules during most of that story arc, Zop.

That's what the armwrestling scene was about.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14125469


Logically, given the near-exact equality of strength Hercules and Thor seemed to share back then, Jen was, also, indeed, stronger than Thor.

I don't where you're getting "stronger than Hulk" from, though.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Blob did look pretty strong there. Hulk punched Blob sqare in the face after taking repeated blows from Blob then Blob knocked Hulk on his @ss.
Juggerman, this is a "olympic style weight lifting competition". Meaning you have to lift heavy weights not win or put on a good showing in a H2H fight.

This is "olympic style weight lifting competition" :
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This what Mshinu wanted and what I attempted to provide using lifting feats from the various contestants.

Not this :
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This is what the Blob/Hulk fight is (in terms of what Blob did and what you are talking about).

@ bluewaterrider
She-Hulk, like Deadpool, comics are bullsh|t, even by comic standards. So unless she did something that over the top outside her joke comic, I'm not impressed by her.

juggernaut74
I've seen a scan where Doc Samon was only lifting 25 tons. I also saw a scan stating Colossus can lift hundreds of tons. To me that is more accurate than showing scans of lifting objects that we had no idea how much they weighed.

juggernaut74
Anybody have that scan of the very recent Fantastic Four issue where Thing and She-Hulk topped out pressing 85 tons?

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I've seen a scan where Doc Samon was only lifting 25 tons. I also saw a scan stating Colossus can lift hundreds of tons. To me that is more accurate than showing scans of lifting objects that we had no idea how much they weighed.
"Stating" means very little unless it's backed up on panel with something concrete.

And where is this scan of Doc Samson lifting only 25 tons? It better not be an inaccurate Handbook entry (the corrected ones confirm he's AT least CL75 and the most recent one has him CL100) or when he had really short hair.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop
"Stating" means very little unless it's backed up on panel with something concrete.

And where is this scan of Doc Samson lifting only 25 tons? It better not be an inaccurate Handbook entry (the corrected ones confirm he's AT least CL75 and the most recent one has him CL100) or when he had really short hair. It's better than assuming how much a character is lifting.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
It's better than assuming how much a character is lifting.
What are you talking about. On panel, Thing (then Doc and/or Colossus) have the best lifting feats out of anyone in the original post, unless I've missed a lifting feat by someone on that list.

I've actually attempted to provide scans that relate to what the OP said. You've done.......nothing. Where is this scan of Doc Samson only lifting 25 tons? What other lifting feats does Colossus have that I haven't already mentioned (the pillar vs Gladiator and supporting the landing spaceship during Secret Wars)?

DarkOdin
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Jen WAS stronger than Hercules during most of that story arc, Zop.

That's what the armwrestling scene was about.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14125469


Logically, given the near-exact equality of strength Hercules and Thor seemed to share back then, Jen was, also, indeed, stronger than Thor.

I don't where you're getting "stronger than Hulk" from, though. Jen was ampped doing that, if i remeber right that is why she was wearing that stupid suit to contain the power, Also was that immortal Hercules or mortal huge power difference

zopzop
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Jen was ampped doing that, if i remeber right that is why she was wearing that stupid suit to contain the power, Also was that immortal Hercules or mortal huge power difference
It was immortal Hercules.

Mshinu
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Anybody have that scan of the very recent Fantastic Four issue where Thing and She-Hulk topped out pressing 85 tons?

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/FF_2_TheGroup-007.jpg

zopzop
Originally posted by Mshinu
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/FF_2_TheGroup-007.jpg
Thank you for that scan. Seems to me SHE HULK topped off at 85 tons, Thing was down for more.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop
What are you talking about. On panel, Thing (then Doc and/or Colossus) have the best lifting feats out of anyone in the original post, unless I've missed a lifting feat by someone on that list.

I've actually attempted to provide scans that relate to what the OP said. You've done.......nothing. Where is this scan of Doc Samson only lifting 25 tons? What other lifting feats does Colossus have that I haven't already mentioned (the pillar vs Gladiator and supporting the landing spaceship during Secret Wars)? None of your examples really prove anything. You're speculating on how much they are lifting. Most lifting feats are ambiguous. That scan shows She-Hulk lifting 85 tons, that scan states Samson can lift 25 tons and that scan states Colossus can lift hundreds of tons. No speculation required.

BTW that pillar that Colossus lifted wasn't that big. Might have weighed 3 tons.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
None of your examples really prove anything. You're speculating on how much they are lifting. Most lifting feats are ambiguous. That scan shows She-Hulk lifting 85 tons, that scan states Samson can lift 25 tons and that scan states Colossus can lift hundreds of tons. No speculation required.

BTW that pillar that Colossus lifted wasn't that big. Might have weighed 3 tons.
You haven't posted a scan of anything (let alone Doc Samson related) so we can see it in context.

That pillar Colossus lifted was composed of solid stone. It would weigh a lot more than 3 tons. Irregardless, Thing is the winner going by ON PANEL lifting displays. So far, Doc Samson (lifting an entire building from it's foundation) is second.

EDIT :
Wow that pillar is a lot smaller than I remembered it, still it was solid stone.

-Pr-
Colossus is stronger than Warpath and Rhino.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop
You haven't posted a scan of anything (let alone Doc Samson related) so we can see it in context.

That pillar Colossus lifted was composed of solid stone. It would weigh a lot more than 3 tons. Irregardless, Thing is the winner going by ON PANEL lifting displays. So far, Doc Samson (lifting an entire building from it's foundation) is second.

EDIT :
Wow that pillar is a lot smaller than I remembered it, still it was solid stone. But at the end of the day you're still guessing. And that pillar isn't worth bringing up.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop
embarrasment

In all seriousness, it wasn't that big and it was engaging it's thrusters to help it land. In Colossus' defense, he was recovering from wounds while he did that.
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/497/4569kq.jpg That ship is huge dude. Can't even see Colossus and don't forget it was falling also. That's easily the most impressive posted so far imo.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
But at the end of the day you're still guessing. And that pillar isn't worth bringing up.
It's more than most anyone else in this thread has done ON PANEL. So yeah.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
That ship is huge dude. Can't even see Colossus and don't forget it was falling also. That's easily the most impressive posted so far imo.
Ship is huge eh? Then I guess you must have missed the FOUR HUGE ENGINES stabilizing the ship as it crashed down on Colossus. Even if you missed those engines, the very first panel stated that Reed had engaged the stabilizers and retros in an attempt to slow/stop their descent.

He "lifted" it only for a few seconds.

That said, Thing still has the best on panel lifting feats, followed by Doc Samson.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop


Ship is huge eh? Well it's much larger than the pillar you mentioned. laughing
Originally posted by zopzop


Then I guess you must have missed the FOUR HUGE ENGINES stabilizing the ship as it crashed down on Colossus. Even if you missed those engines, the very first panel stated that Reed had engaged the stabilizers and retros in an attempt to slow/stop their descent.

He "lifted" it only for a few seconds.

That said, Thing still has the best on panel lifting feats, followed by Doc Samson. I guess you missed the part where Reed stated that they were too low and to brace for a crash landing. Colossus saved their buts. It's like driving a 18 wheeler and having to slam on the brakes at the last minuted to avoid hitting a car. The ship was falling and had momentum and Colossus stopped it....while he was injured....and while he was still a kid. All Ben did was lift a corner of the oil rig, that's like lifting a corner of a pool table vs lifting the whole thing. laughing And Doc's feat? We don't even know how big the bulding was.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Well it's much larger than the pillar you mentioned. laughing
At least he was LIFTING it and not bracing it for a few seconds.


I guess you missed the part where the FOUR HUGE ENGINES on that HUGE SHIP were firing up in the opposite direction of the landing (ie the retros).

Colossus held it for a few seconds and that's it. But at least it's something.

Thing lifted that huge ass glass pyramid that weighed about 200 tons (scan provided). Ben braced a HUGE ass oil rig (scan provided). Ben held together an entire SUSPENSION BRIDGE for a few seconds/minutes(scan provided). Ben lifted a 4 story brownstone.

Samson LIFTED a large THREE STORY university BUILDING from it's foundations.

Thing wins. Followed by Samson. Colossus is a distant third.

juggernaut74
You're helping prove my point. You are GUESSING the weight of these objects when there is proof in comics that state or show how much a character is lifting. Doc and Ben were lifting those objects under optimal conditions while Colossus was injured and had to catch a rather large falling object.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
You're helping prove my point. You are GUESSING the weight of these objects when there is proof in comics that state or show how much a character is lifting. Doc and Ben were lifting those objects under optimal conditions while Colossus was injured and had to catch a rather large falling object.
So provide other scans of him lifting anything as impressive as THing or Doc Samson ON PANEL.

This should be easy since he's so strong right? I'll wait.

ON PANEL, Thing is the clear winner. Followed by Doc Samson.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop
So provide other scans of him lifting anything as impressive as THing or Doc Samson ON PANEL.

This should be easy since he's so strong right? I'll wait.

ON PANEL, Thing is the clear winner. Followed by Doc Samson. You already posted a scan of an injured teenage Colossus catching a falling object. And imo it's more impressive than lifting a portion of an oil rig and lifting a small building.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
You already posted a scan of an injured teenage Colossus catching a falling object. And imo it's more impressive than lifting a portion of an oil rig and lifting a small building.
In other words, you got nothing.

Colossus BRACED a falling ship that had engaged it's retro thrusters for a FEW SECONDS.

Thing LIFTED a 200 ton glass pyramid among the other things I listed and provided scans for.

Samson LIFTED a LARGE 3 story university building from it's foundations and shook crooks out of it.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6927/lifto.jpg
To drive the point across.

So we have Colossus LIFTING a stone pillar and BRACING (for a few seconds) a ship that had engaged it's retro thrusters.

What else do we have?

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop
In other words, you got nothing.

Colossus BRACED a falling ship that had engaged it's retro thrusters for a FEW SECONDS.

Thing LIFTED a 200 ton glass pyramid among the other things I listed and provided scans for.

Samson LIFTED a LARGE 3 story university building from it's foundations and shook crooks out of it.
http://imageshack.us/f/385/spidey25ik.jpg/
To drive the point across.

So we have Colossus LIFTING a stone pillar and BRACING (for a few seconds) a ship that had engaged it's retro thrusters.

What else do we have? Colossus performed a more impressived feat but he wasn't under optimal conditions like Doc and Ben were. Don't overlook that fact son. And that pillar isn't even worth mentioning as it weighed nothing for a guy in his strength class.

Didn't Colossus carry and airplane from the ocean floor to the shore once? And again....those aren't optimal conditions.

juggernaut74
And BTW looking at the Samson pic he didn't even pick up the whole building he just picked up a corner of it. You can tell because he's not under it, he's on the outside of it.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus performed a more impressived feat but he wasn't under optimal conditions like Doc and Ben were. Don't overlook that fact son. And that pillar isn't even worth mentioning as it weighed nothing for a guy in his strength class.

Didn't Colossus carry and airplane from the ocean floor to the shore once? And again....those aren't optimal conditions.
Colossus BRACED it for a few seconds. Yeah he was injured but the ship had engaged it's retro thrusters too. Samson RIPPED a 3 story university building from it's foundations and SHOOK people out of it.

If you can't see the difference, I don't know how else to explain it to you.

Thing has more lifting feats than anyone else in this panel. He wins by default.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
And BTW looking at the Samson pic he didn't even pick up the whole building he just picked up a corner of it. You can tell because he's not under it, he's on the outside of it.
WOW! Save some of whatever you're on for me. He obviously lifted the whole damn thing because he SHOOK the crooks out of it! Here he is putting it down.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/385/spidey35xe.jpg/
FAIL.

Philosophía
Somebody needs to bring some math in the house.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop
Colossus BRACED it for a few seconds. Yeah he was injured but the ship had engaged it's retro thrusters too. Samson RIPPED a 3 story university building from it's foundations and SHOOK people out of it.

If you can't see the difference, I don't know how else to explain it to you.

Thing has more lifting feats than anyone else in this panel. He wins by default.


WOW! Save some of whatever you're on for me. He obviously lifted the whole damn thing because he SHOOK the crooks out of it! Here he is putting it down.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/385/spidey35xe.jpg/
FAIL. I can't see the difference? There is a big difference between benching 600lbs. and catching 600lbs with broken ribs. Can you see the difference?

juggernaut74

Philosophía
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Ok. That ship Colossus caught weighed 7 million tons. thumb up

Now we're getting somewhere.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I can't see the difference? There is a big difference between benching 600lbs. and catching 600lbs. Can you see the difference?
Big difference in that when you "catch" the 600lbs you would have had help from engines attached to the weight pushing in the OPPOSITE direction of the falling 600lbs!

F A I L.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop
Big difference in that when you "catch" the 600lbs you would have had help from engines attached to the weight pushing in the OPPOSITE direction of the falling 600lbs!

F A I L. Again....Reed said they were too low and to brace for a crash. Colossus caught the ship that was falling from the sky. Granted the stabilizers were activated but Colossus stopped it from crashing because as Reed said THEY WERE TOO LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

juggernaut74
Zop I have an experiment for you, jump in your car and get up to about 65 or so and drive straight into a concrete wall and slam on the brakes at the last minute and come back and tell us how that works out for ya.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Zop I have an experiment for you, jump in your car and get up to about 65 or so and drive straight into a concrete wall and slam on the brakes at the last minute and come back and tell us how that works out for ya. Yes, please do this.





For experimental purposes of course.

StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Again....Reed said they were too low and to brace for a crash. Colossus caught the ship that was falling from the sky. Granted the stabilizers were activated but Colossus stopped it from crashing because as Reed said THEY WERE TOO LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! Originally posted by juggernaut74
Zop I have an experiment for you, jump in your car and get up to about 65 or so and drive straight into a concrete wall and slam on the brakes at the last minute and come back and tell us how that works out for ya.
They were gonna crash but the thrusters and stabilizers were ENGAGED. Stated on panel AND shown. Do you understand this? It's not like hitting the brakes on a speeding car. The stabilizers and thrusters were ACTIVELY pushing in the OPPOSITE direction of the falling ship. Not the same thing at all.

So again.......FAIL!

-Pr-
The ship was still going to crash though; that meant it was falling towards the ground. Did the thrusters slow it down? Sure, but Colossus still caught it.

zopzop
Originally posted by -Pr-
The ship was still going to crash though; that meant it was falling towards the ground. Did the thrusters slow it down? Sure, but Colossus still caught it.
For a few seconds. That's the whole point. He held it only briefly AND he had help because the thrusters were engaged.

It's not like I'm making this up. It's all right there on panel.

Thing and Samson LIFTED their objects which is the whole point of this thread. So far Juggerman hasn't produce ONE scan. The only scans and examples on the "pro Colossus" side were by me. And in the most impressive strength feat in Colossus' name it had major stips.

-Pr-
Originally posted by zopzop
For a few seconds. That's the whole point. He held it only briefly AND he had help because the thrusters were engaged.

It's not like I'm making this up. It's all right there on panel.

Thing and Samson LIFTED their objects which is the whole point of this thread. So far Juggerman hasn't produce ONE scan. The only scans and examples on the "pro Colossus" side were by me. And in the most impressive strength feat in Colossus' name it had major stips.

So you dispute that he caught it and supported its weight, even briefly? Or you don't?

Branlor Swift
How come Zop didn't try out Juggerguy's experiment?

zopzop
Originally posted by -Pr-
So you dispute that he caught it and supported its weight, even briefly? Or you don't?
He buffered their landing. That's what was stated on panel. He held it for a few seconds and he had help from the ships thrusters. I don't get what's so complicated about this.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
How come Zop didn't try out Juggerguy's experiment?
Find me "brakes" that, when initiated, PUSH in the OPPOSITE direction of the speeding vehicle, then we'll talk.

-Pr-
Originally posted by zopzop
He buffered their landing. That's what was stated on panel. He held it for a few seconds and he help from the ships thrusters. I don't get what's so complicated about this.

Why does it seem like you're trying to take the feat away from him, then?

He caught the ship, and stopped it from crashing, even if he only needed to support the weight briefly. You agree with that much?

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by zopzop
He buffered their landing. That's what was stated on panel. He held it for a few seconds and he had help from the ships thrusters. I don't get what's so complicated about this.


Find me "brakes" that, when initiated, PUSH in the OPPOSITE direction of the speeding vehicle, then we'll talk. Hit reverse bro

zopzop
Originally posted by -Pr-
Why does it seem like you're trying to take the feat away from him, then?

He caught the ship, and stopped it from crashing, even if he only needed to support the weight briefly. You agree with that much?
Yes and this was AFTER Reed initiated the retro thrusters and stabilizers and even then it was only for a few seconds. You agree with that much yes?

-Pr-
Originally posted by zopzop
Yes and this was AFTER Reed initiated the retro thrusters and stabilizers and even then it was only for a few seconds. You agree with that much yes?

Yes. Thrusters that, while slowing the ships descent, weren't going to stop it, hence the crash landing. So, even briefly, an injured Colossus caught the ship and terminated it's acceleration so the thrusters could take over and avoid a crash.

Philosophía
Originally posted by zopzop
Find me "brakes" that, when initiated, PUSH in the OPPOSITE direction of the speeding vehicle, then we'll talk. http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2008/10_cars/flintstones.jpg

I'll drive and Bran will be my co-pilot.

Ready?

-Pr-
laughing out loud

zopzop
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes. Thrusters that, while slowing the ships descent, weren't going to stop it, hence the crash landing. So, even briefly, an injured Colossus caught the ship and terminated it's acceleration so the thrusters could take over and avoid a crash.
So you admit he had help from the thrusters and stabilizers? This is why it's not that impressive. Yes he was injured prior to this but he only held it for a few seconds AFTER the thrusters and stabilizers were initiated.

Thing lifted a 200 ton pyramid, held together a suspension bridge, lifted a 4 story brownstone building, and supported a crumbling oil rig.

Samson lifted a huge 3 story university building from it's very foundation and shook crooks out of it.

Thing wins with Samson being the runner up, unless other scans are forthcoming.

-Pr-
Originally posted by zopzop
So you admit he had help from the thrusters and stabilizers? This is why it's not that impressive. Yes he was injured prior to this but he only held it for a few seconds AFTER the thrusters and stabilizers were initiated.

Thing lifted a 200 ton pyramid, held together a suspension bridge, lifted a 4 story brownstone building, and supported a crumbling oil rig.

Samson lifted a huge 3 story university building from it's very foundation and shook crooks out of it.

Thing wins with Samson being the runner up, unless other scans are forthcoming.

Colossus caught the ship and stopped its descent. The thrusters were slowing it, but they weren't stopping it. So Colossus, however briefly, physically caught it and stopped it from crashing. That alone is impressive. I'm not going to say it's the best feat in the thread or anything, but it's still a nice feat considering what he was going through at the time.

zopzop
Originally posted by -Pr-
Colossus caught the ship and stopped its descent. The thrusters were slowing it, but they weren't stopping it. So Colossus, however briefly, physically caught it and stopped it from crashing. That alone is impressive. I'm not going to say it's the best feat in the thread or anything, but it's still a nice feat considering what he was going through at the time.
But the fact that he had help (the thrusters) and the fact that it was only for a few seconds takes away a lot from it. It's not in the same league as Thing or Samson's feats.

-Pr-
Originally posted by zopzop
But the fact that he had help (the thrusters) and the fact that it was only for a few seconds takes away a lot from it. It's not in the same league as Thing or Samson's feats.

The thrusters helped slow the ship down, sure. They just weren't providing any actual upward thrust due to them being overpowered by the descent. Colossus was the one that provided them with the chance.

It might not be in the same league, but it's still a nice feat, and it's not nearly his best, so it's no biggie.

zopzop
Originally posted by -Pr-
It might not be in the same league, but it's still a nice feat, and it's not nearly his best, so it's no biggie.
Thank you. See the underlined part? I'm still waiting for this. Let's see his best lifting feat then.

-Pr-
Seeing as this is restricted to lifting and other strength feats won't be considered, I'm going to have to go looking for some.

zopzop
Originally posted by -Pr-
Seeing as this is restricted to lifting and other strength feats won't be considered, I'm going to have to go looking for some.
That wasn't necessarily directed at you. Just in general. I have yet to see anything except talk from Team Colossus.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by -Pr-
Colossus caught the ship and stopped its descent. The thrusters were slowing it, but they weren't stopping it. So Colossus, however briefly, physically caught it and stopped it from crashing. That alone is impressive. I'm not going to say it's the best feat in the thread or anything, but it's still a nice feat considering what he was going through at the time. Exactly. Reed said it was too late for the thrusters so Colossus stopped the crash and then the thrusters took over. And I'm certain Colossus carried a plane from the ocean floor back to the shore.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Exactly. Reed said it was too late for the thrusters so Colossus stopped the crash and then the thrusters took over. And I'm certain Colossus carried a plane from the ocean floor back to the shore.
WRONG. The THRUSTERS AND STABILIZERS were engaged BEFORE the ship made contact with Colossus. It's right there on panel. Jeezus.

-Pr-
Originally posted by zopzop
WRONG. The THRUSTERS AND STABILIZERS were engaged BEFORE the ship made contact with Colossus. It's right there on panel. Jeezus.

They were engaged, but they weren't going to stop the ship from crashing.

They were only able to slow the ship, not stop it, so Colossus saved them by catching it.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by zopzop
WRONG. The THRUSTERS AND STABILIZERS were engaged BEFORE the ship made contact with Colossus. It's right there on panel. Jeezus. Yea they were activated but they weren't going to stop the crash. It's right there on panel. Jeezus.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by -Pr-
They were engaged, but they weren't going to stop the ship from crashing.

They were only able to slow the ship, not stop it, so Colossus saved them by catching it.

This.

Damborgson
I'm 100% sure that was the intention of the writer also.

"I'll confuse them to no end so they'll never know if colossus stopped the ship, or if it was the thrusters! Muhaha!"

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by ODG
How Champion is being overlooked here is baffling.


Champion is being overlooked because, unless someone can prove otherwise, his defeat of The Thing and other powerful contenders was due to his possession of the Power Gem of Infinity.

When Jen forced Champion to abide by the rules of sanctioned boxing competition, i.e. no outside aid, a rematch she trained for (much as people do normally for olympic style sporting events like boxing and :ahem: weightlifting), Jen took down Champion handily.

bluewaterrider
... and I do mean handily.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by -Pr-
Colossus is stronger than Warpath and Rhino.


I'll accept that Colossus is stronger than Warpath because I know little about Warpath and you're generally pretty knowledgeable.

All I really have on HIM is heresay.




You're going to have to show me something to prove Colossus stronger than Rhino, though.
For I seriously doubt Petey has anything comparable to this ...

bluewaterrider
mmm mhmm

Worth pointing out: doing anything that causes Jen heightened emotion, adrenaline rushes, etcetera increases her strength to levels normally associated with her cousin.
Sometimes even beyond her cousin's ordinary depictions.
I remember a comic where Rhino was bouncing Bruce around for instance, but, here ...

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'll accept that Colossus is stronger than Warpath because I know little about Warpath and you're generally pretty knowledgeable.

At his absolute best, Warpath was described as having strength of teenage Colossus.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You're going to have to show me something to prove Colossus stronger than Rhino, though.
For I seriously doubt Petey has anything comparable to this ...

Yeah, Rhino/Colossus strength difference is debatable.

Modern Piotr is Class 100 (in handbooks at least), while Rhino was stated to be Class 85 in one of Spider-Man's books, though. Just my two cents.

bluewaterrider
Thread premise has altered a bit from what was implied in its original phrasing.
Also I saw 2 showings that were noteworthy and unexpected.
Lastly, P.R.'s statement gave me pause.

So, revisiting and placing anew from least contestant to strongest overall competitor:




Ares (Marvel) -- I have never seen this guy do anything that would even suggest he's capable of strength feats. Practically the only 3 things I know about him are that he has mythological ties to SOMEBODY in the Marvel U., that he was an axe-wielding member of the Dark Avengers, and that Voidtry gave him the same sad treatment given Carnage.

Warpath -- P.R.'s suggestion that this guy is not even as strong as Colossus places him down here.

Blob -- Despite having an awesome showing against the Hulk, it's hard to argue that Blob possesses true weightlifting strength. His power of being immovable when in contact with Earth skirts the territory characters like Graviton, Sebastian Shaw, and the DCU Legion's Light Lass inhabit. Lowering him down here is my recall of Spider-man stopping him by simply using a cartridge of webbing to immobilize him, a technique that doesn't seem likely even to stop Rogue nowadays.

Miss Marvel -- Gets the nod over Blob because I can't determine whether the Original Poster intends this to be the Carol Danvers Chris Claremont based Classic Rogue off of, or whether this is the seemingly more powerful "Binary" version of her.

Colossus -- Placed here not because I think he's any stronger than Binary, but because Rogue who had "Classic" Miss Marvel's powerset, deemed it wise to powersteal from him.
Also because Colossus managed, in Marvel Team Up #150, to rip Juggernaut's helmet off, a feat greater than Rogue managed while either unaided or unkissed against Jug herself.

Rhino -- Rhino's launching of Nova into orbit, as shown a post or couple ago, combined with Rhino's history of going toe-to-toe with Hulk, places him above Colossus, who has not until recently been shown having anything like the same luck with the likes of Big Green or Juggernaut.

Doc Samson -- Samson was placed here for being able to endure the full brunt of Mindless Hulk's stomp through the U.S. Southwest states.
It took nearly the entire roster of the East and West Coast Avengers to take Hulk down in that case, something anyone lower down this list would be REALLY hard pressed to do.
The University building-lifting and shaking feat firmly decided the matter, however. Control enough to do that and ACCURATELY direct two thugs to drop to the safe-catch of nearby trees???
If it's the first pure non-battle feat I've seen from Samson, it was worth it ...






5. Thundra -- Besides being a spar of the Thing, who several rated as the top contestant, Thundra also subdued her daughter Lyra, the "other" She-Hulk wandering around the Marvel U, despite Lyra being the daughter of you-know-who. Thundra gets downgraded for having the bad luck of having to demonstrate her force against a Thing who happened to be injured, however, and the consideration that Lyra, quite unlike other Hulks, actually WEAKENS somewhat when she gets uncontrollably angry.


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4. Champion -- Placed here mainly because others seem to hold him in high regard and seem to think there is valid reason for doing so. Main deficit is that the accomplishment he is most known for, beating a string of the most powerful heroes in one-on-one ring fighting matches, was accomplished with the aid of a gem so powerful that it enabled a human-level incarnation of Jen Walters to knock out Titania.

Perhaps the best suggestion that could be made is that Jen may have felt it necessary to continue training even after realizing the Power Gem was the main key to Champion's previous success?


3. Thing -- FAMOUS spar of the Hulk and favorite of a multitude.
Doesn't have the dynamic strength of a Hulk-character like Jen however, who can literally override strength limitations at a moment's notice just by allowing herself to get excited, annoyed, or angry.

85 ton scan would convince save for 3 things
a) Jen has lifted heavier
b) Ben frequently puts on "fronts" where he pretends, even to himself, that he can accomplish more than he is actually able
c) Jen has demonstrated several times in the past that she is willing to "throw" a match to protect the feelings of others (SHE-Thing and Hercules come to mind now)


2. She Hulk

Jen versus Ben might be about the closest thing to an even strength split I've seen on these forums to date. Still got to give it to Jen for the reasons listed above, personally, but I can certainly see the case for the other side.

As long as we are NOT actually going with the premise implied by the original post of this thread, i.e. that these people are acting like normal participants in such a contest, which would mean training self deliberately over a period of perhaps a few weeks to give self the best chance of actually winning the contest.

Jen wins THAT contest easily, as she won the markedly parallel case of the Champion years ago.

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1. She Rulk -- Consistently matches against competition that would steamroll Ben OR Jen. Namely her own father, Red Hulk, Jen and Lyra in combination, and Hulk in the most powerful incarnations Greg Pak could put to page.
I seem to remember Betty even displaying a "detonation" or two from her punches in one or more adventures, which Jen could only produce at the high-level AFTER-training state her Jupiter suit was introduced to contain. And yes she did punch and rip her way through solid steel and another dimension, apparently completely unamped, to give the Avengers the scare of their lives ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14067128

The Sorrow
Originally posted by zopzop
This isn't a fight "VS" thread, it's a weightlifting "VS" thread. On panel lifting feats are the only ones that count here.

So on panel, she's held up a bridge? What was the size of it? Got any scans?
Says who? Vs fights are often the best way to gauge strength levels. Relying solely on lifting feats as you are doing effectively removes half of the participants from the thread, plus feats in themselves are often inconsistent rendering your list inaccurate to say the least. We aren't debating Anderson Silva, we're talking about fictional characters who strength levels can be roughly determined by their performances against each other and are regularly depicted as being super strong through pure punching power alone. Thanos is a great example of this.

I just checked the issue and she destroyed a section of a bridge I remembered it wrong my bad. Thing or Samson may have the best lifting feats but we know Betty is stronger than both.

zopzop
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Says who? Vs fights are often the best way to gauge strength levels. Relying solely on lifting feats as you are doing effectively removes half of the participants from the thread, plus feats in themselves are often inconsistent rendering your list inaccurate to say the least. We aren't debating Anderson Silva, we're talking about fictional characters who strength levels can be roughly determined by their performances against each other and are regularly depicted as being super strong through pure punching power alone. Thanos is a great example of this.

I just checked the issue and she destroyed a section of a bridge I remembered it wrong my bad. Thing or Samson may have the best lifting feats but we know Betty is stronger than both.
How do we KNOW she's stronger?

Beating someone up isn't the same as lifting a heavyweight. Going by your "logic" Alistair Overeem would win the World's Strongest Man competition because he could beat up any of it's participants.

The Sorrow
Originally posted by zopzop
How do we KNOW she's stronger?

Beating someone up isn't the same as lifting a heavyweight. Going by your "logic" Alistair Overeem would win the World's Strongest Man competition because he could beat up any of it's participants.
Just read up on her appearances she doesn't have many, she's actually very powerful when shes in the mood. She fought Hulk back and forth until they calmed down, Thing needed Wolverines help and was still owned even though Hulk was being weakened at the same time - under the same writer too. Do you see Thing being able to punch his way back through a dimension? Beat FOTH/WWHs Doc Samson (who had previously no-sold a punch from She-Hulk) in 3 punches? Defeat She-Hulk and Lyra at the same time? Take on the Avengers including Iron Man, Thor and Captain Marvel? Does he grow stronger with anger like the original Hulk? No. Her highs blow his out the water.

Comics =/= real life brah.

The Sorrow
I'd love to see "The Reem" back in the UFC and bang Cain though stick out tongue

juggernaut74
Overoid vs Cain would be good.

zopzop
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Overoidvs Cain would be good.
Haters gonna hate.

He'd sodomize Cain and leave him crying in the corner in a fetal position. mad

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by The Sorrow

Comics =/= real life brah.


Even if you want to use real life, you can still make the case against "on-panel" feats being the only way to gauge
or predict how a person would do in a sporting event,
even a lifting event, against a group of near-peers.

Take a look at some portion of the following clip, posted at the end of this particular post.
(I recommend the 5:55 point on to the 7:55 completion).
Note that you do NOT see any actual lifting in this video.

But does anyone doubt the woman in the following video would be able to outcurl probably half the people on this forum JUST because we don't actually witness her doing what she's merely describing?

There are more than enough cues for the average person to snap to and realize "Yep. Realistically, in weightlifting exercises X, Y, and Z, this woman would take me and/or the following of my friends ..."

Similarly, we've see enough from Betty Banner to realize that, if she's putting her mind to actually doing it, there's very little chance Thing could hope to match her in hoisting her weight max.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_1B7-LFmms
(Margie Ciaccio 7 min 55 sec)

bluewaterrider
Stumbled across the following due to that Margie Ciaccio video.

Obviously, unless you find the first 3 minutes or so fascinating, or some image you find via skipping around catches your eye, DON'T watch the entire clip.


Point? The girl would gain considerable strength benefits simply from matching in certain ways against the big guy, with or without formal weightlifting supplementing her training.

If it WERE the case (I don't imagine for a second that it is, of course) that the girl were actually able to take and/or match this man while he was giving it his best effort, it could reasonably be predicted that she would be able to curl a weight comparable to him.

In other words, a person doesn't have to formally train at lifting olympic weights to be (or eventually become) strong enough to lift weights.

There are other exercises that can be used to simulate the effect, and other indicators that can be looked at to gauge or predict how they'd most likely do.


Training of Armwrestling #47 - Trening with Marlena Wawrzyniak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh5_Yfb9N24
(marlena wawrzyniak 29 min 48 sec)

bluewaterrider
Kandorians, DC.
KandArians, Marvel.

Hard to believe as few lawsuits got traded between these two companies as actually have ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14149979

TethAdamTheRock
based on lifting feats

Champion
She Hulk
Thing
Dr Samson
Colossus
Rhino

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