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Can he defeat these three?

Sigh

Wonder Man, aka Simon Williams.



Edit: I see you caught your mistake.

Wonder Man solos.

How would Wonder Man defeat Beta Ray Bill alone?

Originally posted by golem370
How would Wonder Man defeat Beta Ray Bill alone?

Wonder Man went toe to toe with Count Nefaria who was strong enough to take on the Avengers solo. He also had no problem with Thor who is a great h2h combatant.

You restricted it to the 80's so I'm not sure but there is a fight where Thor is pushed to the limit by Simon and has to charge Mjolnir up to capacity for a final strike.

Simon is stronger and more durable and would win in the absence of Stormbreaker.

But Wonder Man Iron Man Sub-Mariner Hercules had trouble with Hulk.

Originally posted by golem370
But Wonder Man Iron Man Sub-Mariner Hercules had trouble with Hulk.

I have that Byrne issue but later on in his own series Simon goes toe to toe with the Hulk and basically draws. He did well against the Abomination too.

Sounds like he had some ups and downs because I know he lost to Hyperion badly and to Gladiator

no way does brb beat these three in a fist fight. he can probably two-shot thing initially, but wonder man and ms. marvel beat him down.

Originally posted by Raisen
no way does brb beat these three in a fist fight. he can probably two-shot thing initially, but wonder man and ms. marvel beat him down.





Ben has gone multiple rounds with The Champion, has beaten HULK a handful of times, beat Namor, Bi-Beast, Wonderman, The Wrecker, Sasquatch, stalemated Hercules, Colossolnaut etc...

But, he's going to get 2 shot by a non hammer wielding BRB?

Don't think so.

Bill shoves a telephone pole up things butt and weilds a new hammer

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Wonder Man went toe to toe with Count Nefaria who was strong enough to take on the Avengers solo. He also had no problem with Thor who is a great h2h combatant.

You restricted it to the 80's so I'm not sure but there is a fight where Thor is pushed to the limit by Simon and has to charge Mjolnir up to capacity for a final strike.

Simon is stronger and more durable and would win in the absence of Stormbreaker.

Check your facts.

This is just pathetic.

Originally posted by Tony Stark


Ben has gone multiple rounds with The Champion, has beaten HULK a handful of times, beat Namor, Bi-Beast, Wonderman, The Wrecker, Sasquatch, stalemated Hercules, Colossolnaut etc...

But, he's going to get 2 shot by a non hammer wielding BRB?

Don't think so.

Almost everything of that is false.Originally posted by curryman
Check your facts.

This is just pathetic.
Englehart's wonder man was stronger than thor.

He did a few mediocre WCA comics in the late 80s.

I think we can do without.

Originally posted by curryman
Check your facts.

This is just pathetic.

You need to check your facts.

Everything I stated was accurate.

If you extend it beyond the 80's Simon knocked out Namor and was matching Thor with ease.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You need to check your facts.

Everything I stated was accurate.

If you extend it beyond the 80's Simon knocked out Namor and was matching Thor with ease.

Thor's one-shotted Namor no problem, big deal, who hasn't.

Wonder Man could barely lift the weights Thor use for working out and the only incident where he actually came close to matching Thor was a PIS-ridden shit-storm, where he STILL LOST.

And even if, by some miracle, he could actually match Thor's strength, he still wouldn't COME CLOSE to matching Beta Ray Bill's durability.

Originally posted by curryman
Thor's one-shotted Namor no problem, big deal, who hasn't.

Wonder Man could barely lift the weights Thor use for working out and the only incident where he actually came close to matching Thor was a PIS-ridden shit-storm, where he STILL LOST.

And even if, by some miracle, he could actually match Thor's strength, he still wouldn't COME CLOSE to matching Beta Ray Bill's durability.
Thor didn't oneshot namor, he knocked namor down who got up fine on the next page and that was a weakening namor which both namor and thor noted. Namor also sent BRB on his ass with a similar punch for nearly the same amount of time in Thor Corps and that was a younger, weaker namor. FWIW simon didn't oneshot namor too, it was a suckershot.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/Invaders33a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/Invaders33b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/Invaders33c.jpg

That was a weaker simon, later he was stalemating merged hulk in a slugfest just fine.

Actually the peak wonder man was a bit better than thor in terms of cutting durability. BRB wouldn't be better than him in blunt force durability by much.

Originally posted by curryman
Thor's one-shotted Namor no problem, big deal, who hasn't.

Wonder Man could barely lift the weights Thor use for working out and the only incident where he actually came close to matching Thor was a PIS-ridden shit-storm, where he STILL LOST.

And even if, by some miracle, he could actually match Thor's strength, he still wouldn't COME CLOSE to matching Beta Ray Bill's durability.

Your opinion of the aforementioned events doesn't negate their being canon. Your previous statement implied I was mistaken about what I was citing in reference to Wonder Man.

Brooklyn, look up PIS in the rules.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor didn't oneshot namor, he knocked namor down who got up fine on the next page and that was a weakening namor which both namor and thor noted. Namor also sent BRB on his ass with a similar punch for nearly the same amount of time in Thor Corps and that was a younger, weaker namor. FWIW simon didn't oneshot namor too, it was a suckershot.

That was a weaker simon, later he was stalemating merged hulk in a slugfest just fine.

Actually the peak wonder man was a bit better than thor in terms of cutting durability. BRB wouldn't be better than him in blunt force durability by much.

Namor was as much out as he was against Wonder Man, and that's all I needed. My point was that it was no great feat.

Wonder Man never fought the Hulk over time.

And it's a good thing this is a fistfight and not a knife-fight then!

And BRB is better than him when it comes to blunt force durability. So yeah....there's that. Bill has just taken so much more punishment than Wonder Man.

Originally posted by curryman
Brooklyn, look up PIS in the rules.



Namor was as much out as he was against Wonder Man, and that's all I needed. My point was that it was no great feat.

Wonder Man never fought the Hulk over time.

And it's a good thing this is a fistfight and not a knife-fight then!

And BRB is better than him when it comes to blunt force durability. So yeah....there's that. Bill has just taken so much more punishment than Wonder Man.
He wasn't out, he was at most stunned and was weakened as both thor and namor noted. I'm not sure why we're using namor as a benchmark, both fights with him against thor and wonder man have extenuating circumstances.

Oh really?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWonderMan01WonderMan26.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWonderMan02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWonderMan03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWonderMan04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWonderMan05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWonderMan06.jpg

Mind you this is not the merged hulk with savage banner failsafe, he could get stronger with anger.

And what would that punishment be?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Almost everything of that is false.
Englehart's wonder man was stronger than thor.


Nothing I said was false... All on panel and cannon.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Nothing I said was false... All on panel and cannon.
No. Provide the scan if you can. Thing hasn't beaten hulk ever without some help, he hasn't beaten wonder man without him being mind-controlled, he hasn't actually beaten namor, bi-beast, full powered wrecker, sasquatch, or stalemated hercules and colossonaut oneshotted thing.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218196_AVX-Zone_007.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218198_AVX-Zone_008.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218199_AVX-Zone_009.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12218200_AVX-Zone_010.jpg

Thing's battle against Wonder Man in that TWO IN ONE issue is particularly bad. Throught he states that he is desperate against Simon.

IIRC there is one scene where Simon takes weights that Ben can barely handle and turns them into a pretzel.