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Alright according to feats rate standard Silver Surfer vs Superman in a Competition of power.

1.Strength
2.Speed
3.Intellegence
4.Durability
5.Stamina
6.Reflexes
7.Agility
8.Energy Blasts
9.Versatility

Who takes it?

1. Strength - Superman.
2. Speed - Superman in combat speed, split or edge to Surfer in straight line speed.
3. Intelligence - Superman.
4. Durability - Split or edge to Surfer I guess.
5. Stamina - Not sure, gut says Superman.
6. Reflexes - Superman.
7. Agility - Superman.
8. Energy Blasts - Split or edge to Surfer.
9. Versatility - Surfer.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Strength - Superman.
2. Speed - Superman in combat speed, split or edge to Surfer in straight line speed.
3. Intelligence - Superman.
4. Durability - Split or edge to Surfer I guess.
5. Stamina - Not sure, gut says Superman.
6. Reflexes - Superman.
7. Agility - Superman.
8. Energy Blasts - Split or edge to Surfer.
9. Versatility - Surfer.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Strength - Superman.
2. Speed - Superman in combat speed, split or edge to Surfer in straight line speed.
3. Intelligence - Superman.
4. Durability - Split or edge to Surfer I guess.
5. Stamina - Not sure, gut says Superman.
6. Reflexes - Superman.
7. Agility - Superman.
8. Energy Blasts - Split or edge to Surfer.
9. Versatility - Surfer.

I agree for the most part but think that the Surfer has a clear and very obvious edge in energy blasts. Also, I don't see Superman having an edge in stamina at all.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Strength - Superman.
2. Speed - Surfer
3. Intelligence - Superman.
4. Durability - Surfer
5. Stamina - Surfer
6. Reflexes - Superman.
7. Agility - Superman.
8. Energy Blasts - Surfer
9. Versatility - Surfer.

This with minor changes.

The fact that Silver Surfer was able to restore Metropolis back to the normal size tells the tell as far as Versatility since Superman couldn't do it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Strength - Superman.
2. Speed - Superman in combat speed, split or edge to Surfer in straight line speed.
3. Intelligence - Superman.
4. Durability - Split or edge to Surfer I guess.
5. Stamina - Not sure, gut says Superman.
6. Reflexes - Superman.
7. Agility - Superman.
8. Energy Blasts - Split or edge to Surfer.
9. Versatility - Surfer.

1.Strength: SM
2.Speed: SM for H2H, SS for travel and bullrushing
3.Intellegence: similar but CA gives SS the edge
4.Durability: even
5.Stamina:even
6.Reflexes: even
7.Agility: SM
8.Energy Blasts: SS
9.Versatility: SS

Who takes it? SS

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Strength - Superman.
2. Speed - Superman in combat speed, split or edge to Surfer in straight line speed.
3. Intelligence - Superman.
4. Durability - Split or edge to Surfer I guess.
5. Stamina - Not sure, gut says Superman.
6. Reflexes - Superman.
7. Agility - Superman.
8. Energy Blasts - Split or edge to Surfer.
9. Versatility - Surfer.

This is going to be the most accurate unbiased list.

Since Rage hates both of these characters with a passion.

1.Strength Supes
2.Speed Equal
3.Intellegence Supes
4.Durability Surfer
5.Stamina Equal
6.Reflexes Equal
7.Agility Spiderman
8.Energy Blasts Equal
9.Versatility Surfer

I don't see where everyone is getting clark is smarter then SS, with his cosmic awareness he is vastly smarter.

OK, Ill take a crack ay my opinion on this:

1.Strength - Superman, but close
2.Speed - HTH Superman, Travel Silver Surfer (solidly)
3.Intellegence - Superman
4.Durability - Silver Surfer, but close
5.Stamina - Silver Surfer, but very close
6.Reflexes - Superman, but close
7.Agility - Superman, but close
8.Energy Blasts - Silver Surfer (solidly)
9.Versatility - Silver Surfer (very solidly)

Originally posted by armedforbattle
I don't see where everyone is getting clark is smarter then SS, with his cosmic awareness he is vastly smarter.

Cosmic awareness isn't really related to intelligence. The Surfer's senses are superior to Superman's but that doesn't really mean that he's more intelligent.

I'm curious what are the highest intelligence feats for superman and silver surfer(not cosmic awareness related) ?

Originally posted by armedforbattle
I don't see where everyone is getting clark is smarter then SS, with his cosmic awareness he is vastly smarter. Probably because his brain processes information faster. At the end of Final Crisis he was able to construct the Miracle Machine which is one o f the most powerful items in DC, all because he memorized the schematics. Maybe Norrin can do this too, but he doesn't have any feats on par with that so far.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Cosmic awareness isn't really related to intelligence. The Surfer's senses are superior to Superman's but that doesn't really mean that he's more intelligent. it envolves post cognition, he simply knows how shit works by looking at it.

Originally posted by golem370
Alright according to feats rate standard Silver Surfer vs Superman in a Competition of power.

1.Strength
2.Speed
3.Intellegence
4.Durability
5.Stamina
6.Reflexes
7.Agility
8.Energy Blasts
9.Versatility

Who takes it?

1. Supes at base but Surfer has the potential to amp beyond and his source of amping is more readily available. So....Surfer

2. Straight line for Surfer but Supes has shown faster combat speed.

3. Superman

4. Surfer for sure if you factor the fact that he can be cut to ribbons and just re-form

5. Supes can recharge from the Sun. Surfer recharges by drawing on cosmic energy which is more readily available. So....Surfer

6. I'd say Supes has demonstrated greater reflexes.

7. Supes

8. I don't think there is any question that Surfer has this

9. Obviously Surfer

1.Strength: Superman
2.Speed: h2h - Superman; Transit - Silver Surfer
3.Intelligence: Superman
4.Durability: Silver Surfer
5.Stamina: DK/even
6.Reflexes: Superman
7.Agility: close up - Superman; aerial maneuverability - Silver Surfer
8.Energy Blasts: Silver Surfer
9.Versatility: Silver Surfer
10. Coolest Flying Poses: Silver Surfer

1.Strength - Superman
2.Speed - Surfer, assuming we're talking flight
3.Intellegence - Superman
4.Durability - Surfer, though I'd say Superman has better damage soak
5.Stamina - Split
6.Reflexes - Superman
7.Agility - Not sure
8.Energy Blasts - Surfer
9.Versatility - Surfer

Originally posted by -Pr-

7.Agility - Not sure
are you serious dood? and you call yourself a superman fan

Originally posted by Starscream M
are you serious dood? and you call yourself a superman fan

I'm actually a fan of both, so shut up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm actually a fan of both, so shut up. then you should know that superman is far more agile than silver surfer

Originally posted by Starscream M
then you should know that superman is far more agile than silver surfer

I wouldn't say far more agile, no.

Lets add Better Protector and better fighter.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This is going to be the most accurate unbiased list.

Since Rage hates both of these characters with a passion.

Originally posted by golem370
Alright according to feats rate standard Silver Surfer vs Superman in a Competition of power.

1.Strength-Superman
2.Speed-Combat Speed Superman, travel speed Surfer so split
3.Intellegence-Superman
4.Durability=Superman
5.Stamina=Split (I never seen any of them tire)
6.Reflexes=Superman
7.Agility=Superman
8.Energy Blasts=Surfer
9.Versatility=Surfer

1.Strength : Supes obviously
2.Speed : if it's flying speed Surfer
3.Intellegence : probably Supes
4.Durability : Surfer
5.Stamina : about even
6.Reflexes : Supes
7.Agility : Supes
8.Energy Blasts : Surfer
9.Versatility : Surfer obviously..not even close

1.Strength: Superman and surfer is not even close in this department.
2.Speed: Superman, vastly superior in combat speed and a clear edge in flight speed.
3.Intellegence: Superman, what has surfer actually done to denote he is anywhere near superman in intelligence?
4.Durability: Edge to superman overall, edge to surfer in piercing durability.
5.Stamina: Superman.
6.Reflexes: Superman
7.Agility: Superman
8.Energy Blasts: Split
9.Versatility: Surfer

Who takes it?: Superman beats the shit out of surfer.

lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
2.Speed: Superman, vastly superior in combat speed and a clear edge in flight speed

Superman has a clear edge in flight speed over Surfer?? Surfer travels the UNIVERSE with ease, no way is Superman flying that fast, and casually so as Surfer does.

Originally posted by DTM
Superman has a clear edge in flight speed over Surfer?? Surfer travels the UNIVERSE with ease, no way is Superman flying that fast, and casually so as Surfer does.
Oh really? Point me to the scan where he travels across the universe? Meanwhile check this out

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are the best travelling speed feats under herald level category? Some of those which come into mind are

1. Kal-L and Kal-El taking SBP from somewhere near Oa(Sector 0) to the red sun of krypton9sector 2813). Upon calculating it comes around 19 quadrillion times lightspeed.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/toomuchforgls4.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/3sup.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/3sup2.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/3sup3.jpg

2. Nova going 7.43 trillions time lightspeed

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed.jpg

3. Surfer going half million lightyears in seconds which makes him 1.6 trillion times lightspeed fast

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpg

So what other character can come close to these levels of travel speeds? No PC superman.

You need scans to prove Surfer flies across the Universe? Really? What do you think he does 99.99% of the time since his creation, travel the Universe in search for planets for Galactus to consume. Superman is just not nearly at that level of flight speed.

Originally posted by DTM
You need scans to prove Surfer flies across the Universe? Really? What do you think he does 99.99% of the time since his creation, travel the Universe in search for planets for Galactus to consume. Superman is just not nearly at that level of flight speed.
He uses space-warps and black holes to traverse the universe as shown on panel. By that logic every marvel character who operates in space traverses the entire universe.

Not every character, just ones that routinely travel around the universe, like Quasar and GLs (both of which I also believe to have faster flight speeds than Superman).

And you believe it because?

Well, because their domain is protecting and traveling thru large portions of galaxies and universes, Superman primarly stays and focuses on Earth, so their areas they routinely travel are vastly different from one another.

Originally posted by DTM
Not every character, just ones that routinely travel around the universe, like Quasar and GLs (both of which I also believe to have faster flight speeds than Superman).
Quasar at one point had to travel for 48 months to reach uranus from earth because he couldn't quantum jump or make a portal. That's how fast he is without quantum jumping. GLs use hyperspace or wormholes too and were shown directly inferior in flight speed when he and Kal-L took SBP to Rao.Originally posted by DTM
Well, because their domain is protecting and traveling thru large portions of galaxies and universes, Superman primarly stays and focuses on Earth, so their areas they routinely travel are vastly different from one another.
That's some atrocious reasoning right there.

Not really.

1.Strength: at Base superman solidly but surfer amping can probably split

2.Speed:edge to superman with a teleporting advantage to surfer

3.Intellegence:split or edge to surfer based on Ca

4.Durability: physical is a split with concussive to supes and energy to Norrin

5.Stamina: Surfer

6.Reflexes: Kal

7.Agility: Idk kinda a moot point

8.Energy Blasts:Norton at base, split at highest op lvls

9.Versatility: Surfer squarely based solely on having not real weaknesses

Originally posted by DTM
Not really.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
1.Strength: at Base superman solidly but surfer amping can probably split

2.Speed:edge to superman with a teleporting advantage to surfer

3.Intellegence:split or edge to surfer based on Ca

4.Durability: physical is a split with concussive to supes and energy to Norrin

5.Stamina: Surfer

6.Reflexes: Kal

7.Agility: Idk kinda a moot point

8.Energy Blasts:Norton at base, split at highest op lvls

9.Versatility: Surfer squarely based solely on having not real weaknesses



How about the reason the Surfer is more versatile is because he doesn't have to breath or because he can evole a planets billions or years of because he has the ability to heal people or because he can read peoples minds or because he can use numerous types of energy or because he was able to restore a city to normal size or because he has no none weakness.

Where does it say the distance and time it took for them to reach there?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He uses space-warps and black holes to traverse the universe as shown on panel. By that logic every marvel character who operates in space traverses the entire universe. he enters hyperspace by accelerating himself way past c. its not a spacewarp gimmick, his warp speed pushes him in there.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Where does it say the distance and time it took for them to reach there?
I assumed they took 1 minute to reach there, which given how quickly they went is a very large amount of time.Originally posted by 753
he enters hyperspace by accelerating himself way past c. its not a spacewarp gimmick, his warp speed pushes him in there.
He also uses space-warps and black holes to get there if the distance is large enough. Like this

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7020/ssenslavers06vb5.jpg

Anyway that million lightyears trip is the best feat he has and that is how we can calculate his flight speed, not some hypothetical scenario where he crosses universe and shit to find planets for galactus and thus is faster than anybody.

1.Strength: Kal
2.Speed: Norrin
3.Intellegence: Kal
4.Durability: Norrin
5.Stamina: Norrin
6.Reflexes: Kal
7.Agility: Kal
8.Energy Blasts: Norrin
9.Versatility: Norrin

I'm curious as to why some people think Surfer has more stamina than Clark.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm curious as to why some people think Surfer has more stamina than Clark.

Because his reserves of solar power can be depleted in an extended fight maybe?

As opposed to Norrin who doesn't can't get worn down or beaten in an extended fight? Superman usually fights in an environment with a yellow Sun, so lack of energy isn't more of a problem for him then Norrin.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Because his reserves of solar power can be depleted in an extended fight maybe?
Again a hypothetical situation with no on panel stuff to back it up. When surfer can fight while like this call me.

Glad you see my point Rage.

Sarcasm in reply to sarcasm? Boring.

Aren't rules here based on current characters? Most of the "feats" ppl are showing are pre-DCNU Supes aren't they?

Has Surfer ever been depleted of power?

Yeah, he has been depleted of power. Very suddenly if he's cut off from ambient radiation around him like in Dynamo City.

1.Strength-Superman, but closer than some may think.
2.Speed-Combat, Superman. Flight speed, Surfer.
3.Intelligence-Not sure, really.
4.Durability-Surfer, but it's close.
5.Stamina-Toss-Up.
6.Reflexes-Combat, Superman. Flight, Surfer.
7.Agility-Superman.
8.Energy Blasts-Surfer, and easily.
9.Versatility-Surfer by a wide margin.

Surfer and Supes stamina is about even..under normal circumstances both of them probably never runs out of energy..who cares what happen when they are cut off from their power source..

The most recent time Surfer sort of exhausted his power/stamina or whatever, is when he was on Sakaar. He repaired the planet + sealed away Skaar's ancient old power, which had enough energy to satisfy Galactus' hunger for 100,000 years.


There was one time in the past when Surfer was sick of his powers, and actually wanted to burn them out, by trying to pour all his energy into rejuvenating a dying planet and all its lifeforms:
http://i47.tinypic.com/2w4b4om.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2uzqzc8.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2iwaotv.jpg

But he pours too much energy out, and accidentally opens the "flood gates" so to speak. Causes all the life on the planet to mutate, grow out of control, and evolve a billion years forward by accident:
http://i48.tinypic.com/2uonb08.jpg

Eventually he incinerates the entire planet, turning it into a lifeless husk, committing planetary genocide:
http://i49.tinypic.com/yjryb.jpg

He still had plenty of power after this.

1.Strength - Superman
2.Speed - Silver Surfer
3.Intellegence - Silver Surfer
4.Durability - Split, or small edge to Superman
5.Stamina - Split
6.Reflexes - Split
7.Agility - Split
8.Energy Blasts - Silver Surfer
9.Versatility - Silver Surfer

Who takes it?
They are pretty equals, but the Versatility of the Silver Surfer outweight Superman's by too much to be ignored. When you can control matter itself, you got a heck of a toolbox to help to win this fight.

1.Supes
2.Split
3.Norrin if CA counts/ Supes otherwise
4.Norrin
5.Norrin
6.Norrin
7.Norrin
8.Norrin
9.Norrin

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Strength - Superman.
2. Speed - Superman in combat speed, split or edge to Surfer in straight line speed.
3. Intelligence - Superman.
4. Durability - Split or edge to Surfer I guess.
5. Stamina - Not sure, gut says Superman.
6. Reflexes - Superman.
7. Agility - Superman.
8. Energy Blasts - Split or edge to Surfer.
9. Versatility - Surfer. Wrong.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Agreed. pretty much though long distance speed surfer has big advantage with hyperspace. also cosmic awareness helps out though it really is such a vague idea considering that sometimes it means borderline omniscience and other times more of a general awareness of the universe and noticing some of the bigger events in the cosmos. Depending on what your view on it is gives the edge on intelligence or loses it for the surfer.

1.Strength - Supes
2.Speed - SS in straight travel speed
3.Intellegence - tossup
4.Durability - SS
5.Stamina - very close but SS
6.Reflexes - Supes
7.Agility - Supes
8.Energy Blasts - SS
9.Versatility - SS

]1.Strength - Superman
2.Speed - Surfer
3.Intellegence - Surfer
4.Durability - Superman
5.Stamina - Superman
6.Reflexes - Superman
7.Agility - Superman
8.Energy Blasts - Surfer
9.Versatility - Surfer

1.Strength - Superman
2.Speed - Split. Superman at CQC, Surfer in single trajectory.
3.Intellegence - Wash
4.Durability - Surfer
5.Stamina - Surfer
6.Reflexes - Superman
7.Agility - Superman
8.Energy Blasts - Surfer
9.Versatility - Surfer

Strength-Superman.
Speed-Surfer.
Intelligence-Surfer (cosmic awareness).
Durability-Surfer.
Stamina-Surfer.
Reflexes-Even.
Agility-Even.
Energy blasts-Surfer.
Versatility-Surfer.

1. Strength - Superman, by far
2. Speed - Superman in combatspeed, travelspeed split.
3. Intelligence - Superman, Cosmic Awareness is not intelligence and Surfer is rather simpleminded.
4. Durability - Split
5. Stamina - Superman
6. Reflexes - Superman
7. Agility - Superman
8. Energy Blasts - Split
9. Versatility - Surfer

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
1. Strength - Superman, by far
2. Speed - Superman in combatspeed, travelspeed split.
3. Intelligence - Superman, Cosmic Awareness is not intelligence and Surfer is rather simpleminded.
4. Durability - Split
5. Stamina - Superman
6. Reflexes - Superman
7. Agility - Superman
8. Energy Blasts - Split
9. Versatility - Surfer How doesn't cosmic awareness factor in with someone's intelligence ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Strength-Superman.
Speed-Surfer.
Intelligence-Surfer (cosmic awareness).
Durability-Surfer.
Stamina-Surfer.
Reflexes-Even.
Agility-Even.
Energy blasts-Surfer.
Versatility-Surfer.

This.

Originally posted by carver9

1. Strength - Superman.
2. Speed - Surfer
3. Intelligence - Superman.
4. Durability - Surfer
5. Stamina - Surfer
6. Reflexes - Superman.
7. Agility - Superman.
8. Energy Blasts - Surfer
9. Versatility - Surfer.

This with minor changes.

Originally posted by carver9
This.

Make up your mind, boy.

Has Surfer really used his cosmic awareness? Or is it like the Wisdom of Zehuti/Solomon - its there, but never explicitly used?

He has senced things with it, but as far as using it to gather information idk

LMAO at Surfer and Superman being equal in terms of EP.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
1. Strength - Superman, by far
2. Speed - Superman in combatspeed, travelspeed split.
3. Intelligence - Superman, Cosmic Awareness is not intelligence and Surfer is rather simpleminded.
4. Durability - Split
5. Stamina - Superman
6. Reflexes - Superman
7. Agility - Superman
8. Energy Blasts - Split
9. Versatility - Surfer Fanboy.

Originally posted by Mindset
Fanboy.

Reported.

I've received your report.

What seems to be the problem?

Originally posted by Mindset
I've received your report.

What seems to be the problem?

The day you will become a mod, will be the day I will delete my account....

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The day you will become a mod, will be the day I will delete my account.... You have just united the entire forum in wanting to get me modded.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Reported.

Originally posted by Dampyre
LMAO at Surfer and Superman being equal in terms of EP.
Why would be that? Shall we compare their EP feats?

This thread is the bane of abhi's already tormented sleep schedual












His punishment must be more severe

Originally posted by Dampyre


You know I didn't report him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would be that? Shall we compare their EP feats?

All I have to say is the vast majority of writers would disagree with you. It's a no-brainer, really.

Superman isn't equal to Norrin in EP. The good news is, he doesn't have to be, as his heat vision is strong enough that it can overtake Norrin's durability and hurt him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman isn't equal to Norrin in EP. The good news is, he doesn't have to be, as his heat vision is strong enough that it can overtake Norrin's durability and hurt him.

I don't see Superman's HV as being able to penetrate the Surfer's shell. Would it probably hurt him? Yes. He won't be beating the Surfer with HV though.

It'll contribute quite well, imo.

Originally posted by abhilegend
1.Strength: Superman and surfer is not even close in this department.
2.Speed: Superman, vastly superior in combat speed and a clear edge in flight speed.
3.Intellegence: Superman, what has surfer actually done to denote he is anywhere near superman in intelligence?
4.Durability: Edge to superman overall, edge to surfer in piercing durability.
5.Stamina: Superman.
6.Reflexes: Superman
7.Agility: Superman
8.Energy Blasts: Split
9.Versatility: Surfer

Who takes it?: Superman beats the shit out of surfer.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It'll contribute quite well, imo.

It will get an "Argh!" or "Uhh!"

Originally posted by Dampyre
I don't see Superman's HV as being able to penetrate the Surfer's shell. Would it probably hurt him? Yes. He won't be beating the Surfer with HV though. Superman doesn't usually kill so his hv doesn't usually match other Kyptonian's like Zod and such. But we seen Kryptonian HV pass through Superman very well. So thus by comparison it can pass through Surfer as well (provided Superman is blood lusted)

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman doesn't usually kill so his hv doesn't usually match other Kyptonian's like Zod and such. But we seen Kryptonian HV pass through Superman very well. So thus by comparison it can pass through Surfer as well (provided Superman is blood lusted)


Don't be foolish. There's no precedent for such a thing. Superman's max HV won't even crack the Surfer's shell.

Has any Marvel character looked better than the Surfer during crossovers? He's punked Orion, shown superior power to a GL, defeated a GL and awed Superman.

Too bad the Surfer and Superman didn't fight during that crossover.

Just food for thought.

Originally posted by Dampyre
It will get an "Argh!" or "Uhh!"

I think it could seriously injure him, tbh.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Has any Marvel character looked better than the Surfer during crossovers? He's punked Orion, shown superior power to a GL, defeated a GL and awed Superman.

Too bad the Surfer and Superman didn't fight during that crossover.

Just food for thought.

Venom

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think it could seriously injure him, tbh.

I doubt it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Venom

No.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Has any Marvel character looked better than the Surfer during crossovers? He's punked Orion, shown superior power to a GL, defeated a GL and awed Superman.

Too bad the Surfer and Superman didn't fight during that crossover.

Just food for thought. Surfer's streak would have ended right there if he fought Supes.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Surfer's streak would have ended right there if he fought Supes.

Doesn't chnage the fact that the Surfer gets a lot of respect from most writers, as he should. Superman's main schtick is to "win" and that's really all his fans care about. He's such a boring character, IMO.

Originally posted by Dampyre
No.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/26114/488676-481016_superman_vs_venom_super_super.jpg

http://www.4thletter.net/gavok/venom/vvs3.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/40517/1687730-vvs4_super.jpg

Originally posted by Dampyre
I doubt it.

i don't.

I doubt the HV would hurt someone who travels through stars with no problem.

Originally posted by golem370
I doubt the HV would hurt someone who travels through stars with no problem.

Why not? It can be hotter than stars and has enough force to knock people like Despero down.

Because Silver Surfer is an energy absorber plus Superman heat vision is powered by sun so how can it be hotter then the source of the powers.

A feat of energy absorbtion

LOriginally posted by golem370
Because Silver Surfer is an energy absorber plus Superman heat vision is powered by sun so how can it be hotter then the source of the powers.

He hyper metabolises it, wwould be one explanation.

It's like how is it that I can chew and digest meat, when I get my energy from meat.

I seriously doubt Silver Surfer would be if SS and steal energy from a Black Hole then he can absorb Superman's heat vision.

He nearly went crazy when he tried to absorb a portion of the Sun, IIRC.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/26114/488676-481016_superman_vs_venom_super_super.jpg

http://www.4thletter.net/gavok/venom/vvs3.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/40517/1687730-vvs4_super.jpg

Wow, tentacle rape. That is embarrassing. I never took that showing seriously but it is funny.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i don't.

There's no precedent for anything like that. It's just wishful thinking. You are entitled to your opinion though.

Originally posted by golem370
I seriously doubt Silver Surfer would be if SS and steal energy from a Black Hole then he can absorb Superman's heat vision.

Sure, he could.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why not? It can be hotter than stars and has enough force to knock people like Despero down.

The same thing has been said of Gladiator's heat vision. Considering Thor waded through Superman's HV without even being singed it won't be causing the Surfer any damage. That was Superman fighting for his very universe too.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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He hyper metabolises it, wwould be one explanation.

It's like how is it that I can chew and digest meat, when I get my energy from meat. Sounds good

Originally posted by Dampyre
The same thing has been said of Gladiator's heat vision. Considering Thor waded through Superman's HV without even being singed it won't be causing the Surfer any damage. That was Superman fighting for his very universe too.

Crossovers don't count.

Originally posted by SquallX
Crossovers don't count.

Maybe not but it's the only time you see characters from different universes battle each other. If nothing else, it's interesting.

Originally posted by Dampyre
The same thing has been said of Gladiator's heat vision. Considering Thor waded through Superman's HV without even being singed it won't be causing the Surfer any damage. That was Superman fighting for his very universe too.

Yeah, but that was an incredibly high end showing of energy durability. I didn't think it possible for any Top Tier to wade through heat vision like that, not even Superman himself. Clark's heat vision can reach levels of everything but some of Surfer's very high end energy attacks.

Surfer's incredibly durable, but even he would be hurt and knocked around by heat vision. If you think it wouldn't cause Surfer any damage, I would have to heavily disagree.

Not sure what the Gladiator comment is supposed to mean. We've seen him -and Hyperion- use heat vision on other Top Tiers, when hit, it's been extremely effective. Nova even once absorbed a blast of Gladiator's own heat vision to one shot him (Temporary knock out), the process ****ed up Nova as well.

Isn't surfer Immune to heat? I thought that was a specific part of his powerset.

He's not immune to heat (How could he be?) but due to his nature and purpose, he's more resistant than most. For example, he's more likely to fly through a Supernova unharmed than most Top Tiers.

Not that it really matters, a writer could very well have him laugh off an exploding Sun while be sent flying and reeling from a blast of heat vision.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeah, but that was an incredibly high end showing of energy durability. I didn't think it possible for any Top Tier to wade through heat vision like that, not even Superman himself. Clark's heat vision can reach levels of everything but some of Surfer's very high end energy attacks.

Well, it happened. I was surprised that Thor didn't show any physical damage after that. It's a higher-end showing for him.


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Surfer's incredibly durable, but even he would be hurt and knocked around by heat vision. If you think it wouldn't cause Surfer any damage, I would have to heavily disagree.

I didn't say that is wouldn't hurt him. I said that it wouldn't actually damage his silvery shell.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not sure what the Gladiator comment is supposed to mean. We've seen him -and Hyperion- use heat vision on other Top Tiers, when hit, it's been extremely effective. Nova even once absorbed a blast of Gladiator's own heat vision to one shot him (Temporary knock out), the process ****ed up Nova as well.

Have either Gladiator or Hyperion used their vision on the Surfer? The only time I re-call was in the non-continuity marvel Adventures when Gladiator blasted the Surfer in the face with heat vision. It hurt him but he didn't really miss a beat.

Can Superman's heat vision take the Surfer out? Yes, but not with any sort of consistency. He's better off trying to make it a brawl.

I can't actually recall a time where he was injured by heat though.

not even 1/4 of a big bang's worth of heat?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He's not immune to heat (How could he be?) but due to his nature and purpose, he's more resistant than most. For example, he's more likely to fly through a Supernova unharmed than most Top Tiers.



Not that I'm disagreeing with you but Galactus did say that the Surfer was basically immune to all manner of temperature extremes when he made him.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not even 1/4 of a big bang's worth of heat?

According to the Planck theory, the temperature microseconds after the big bang would incinerate pretty much anything. It would be billions and billions of times hotter than the core of the sun. Of course, nothing in the universe has been proven to be anywhere near that hot.

...

Originally posted by Dampyre
Well, it happened. I was surprised that Thor didn't show any physical damage after that. It's a higher-end showing for him.

Same. I'd think that such a tactic could very well kill pretty much all Top Tiers. Not even Surfer should attempt such a move.

It was an incredibly dumb move that was out of character and may have very well cost him the fight. If he had used Mjolnir to block it as he did against Hyperion and Gladiator, he'd have fared better.

Originally posted by Dampyre
I didn't say that is wouldn't hurt him. I said that it wouldn't actually damage his silvery shell.

You mean like crack it and shit? I guess. Only time I can recall any Top Tier compromising that is Thor with his head butt. I think Thanos might have as well when he beat him to death.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Have either Gladiator or Hyperion used their vision on the Surfer? The only time I re-call was in the non-continuity marvel Adventures when Gladiator blasted the Surfer in the face with heat vision. It hurt him but he didn't really miss a beat.

I don't think they have, but my point is that even Superman clones have consistently hurt Top Tiers with heat vision, to the point it's almost game changing.

Another example that comes to mind is Gladiator burning a hole through Hulk's chest (IIRC he could have potentially died as it was almost through to his heart) and recently Hyperion rocked the shit out of Hulk with a brief burst of Heat Vision.

I mentioned them only because you seemed to be undermining Superman's heat vision being hotter than the Sun by pointing out that the same was said about Gladiator's which was a bit weird to me.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Can Superman's heat vision take the Surfer out? Yes, but not with any sort of consistency. He's better off trying to make it a brawl.

I think Superman's heat vision would consistently rock and hurt Surfer. But I do agree, it won't take him out of the fight unless he can get Surfer in an unfavorable position or he decides to wade through it.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Not that I'm disagreeing with you but Galactus did say that the Surfer was basically immune to all manner of temperature extremes when he made him.

That's all well and good, but he's not immune. Doubt even Cosmics (Universal and under in scope) are either.

Also, my point pretty much is that Surfer is far more likely to no sell the core of a planet or a Sun than Thor's lightning or Superman's heat vision.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Same. I'd think that such a tactic could very well kill pretty much all Top Tiers. Not even Surfer should attempt such a move.

Well, we'll have to disagree here. Superman is not killing the Surfer with heat vision, even if he would be stupid enough to try. The Surfer would take that attack a lot better than Thor did.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was an incredibly dumb move that was out of character and may have very well cost him the fight. If he had used Mjolnir to block it as he did against Hyperion and Gladiator, he'd have fared better.

Yes, that was dumb and out of character. I mean, you have a weapon tailor made to block that sort of attack and don't use it?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

You mean like crack it and shit? I guess. Only time I can recall any Top Tier compromising that is Thor with his head butt. I think Thanos might have as well when he beat him to death.

The head-butt thing is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Thor is thick-headed but he has no business doing something like that when the Hulk's fist and Mjolnir haven't.

The Thanos incident is a low-showing and that was when Thanos was pretty much written as invincible. The Surfer has taken a lot worse without being killed. Thanos didn't even damage the Surfer's shell.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I don't think they have, but my point is that even Superman clones have consistently hurt Top Tiers with heat vision, to the point it's almost game changing.


Again, when has it been used against the Surfer?


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Another example that comes to mind is Gladiator burning a hole through Hulk's chest (IIRC he could have potentially died as it was almost through to his heart) and recently Hyperion rocked the shit out of Hulk with a brief burst of Heat Vision.

That was a Hulk with greatly reduced durability. A lamp post impaled him. The Surfer shell is harder to penetrate than the Hulk's skin anyway.


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I mentioned them only because you seemed to be undermining Superman's heat vision being hotter than the Sun by pointing out that the same was said about Gladiator's which was a bit weird to me.

Fine, but again, the Hulk isn't the Surfer.


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think Superman's heat vision would consistently rock and hurt Surfer. But I do agree, it won't take him out of the fight unless he can get Surfer in an unfavorable position or he decides to wade through it.

The Surfer would never wade through Superman's heat vision. It's also quite possible that the Surfer can absorb Superman's heat vision. He's done similar things enough times.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's all well and good, but he's not immune. Doubt even Cosmics (Universal and under in scope) are either.

Also, my point pretty much is that Surfer is far more likely to no sell the core of a planet or a Sun than Thor's lightning or Superman's heat vision.

If you can cite a single instance of a cosmic being being injured by heat I would appreciate it. I can't seem to recall any.

Did I say that the Surfer would no-sell either of those attacks?

Originally posted by Dampyre
Well, we'll have to disagree here. Superman is not killing the Surfer with heat vision, even if he would be stupid enough to try. The Surfer would take that attack a lot better than Thor did.

Yes, that was dumb and out of character. I mean, you have a weapon tailor made to block that sort of attack and don't use it?

I don't know if it would kill Surfer but I'd argue most of the time it would put him down. A lot better? Disagreed.



Originally posted by Dampyre
The head-butt thing is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Thor is thick-headed but he has no business doing something like that when the Hulk's fist and Mjolnir haven't.

The Thanos incident is a low-showing and that was when Thanos was pretty much written as invincible. The Surfer has taken a lot worse without being killed. Thanos didn't even damage the Surfer's shell.

That's your opinion.

He never cracked Surfer's shell? My mistake, thought there were cracks showing and such.

Yea, it's a lot easier to knock out Surfer than to crack his shell generally from what I've seen.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Again, when has it been used against the Surfer?

That was a Hulk with greatly reduced durability. A lamp post impaled him. The Surfer shell is harder to penetrate than the Hulk's skin anyway.

Fine, but again, the Hulk isn't the Surfer.

Hulk's fluctuating durability was acting up at that point? Really? Meh, well whatever.

True, Surfer's more durable but I personally doubt he'd overall fare against an attack noticeably better than the Hulk.

Mostly, my point is that even weaker Superman clones have illustrated enough power with their heat vision to argue that they would hurt Surfer, so they aren't anything to scoff at.

Originally posted by Dampyre
The Surfer would never wade through Superman's heat vision. It's also quite possible that the Surfer can absorb Superman's heat vision. He's done similar things enough times.

That's what I'd have said about Thor. But yea, I seriously doubt that would be a tactic that Norrin would attempt. I guess that's possible. Personally? I think this comes down to punching and energy blasts.

Originally posted by Dampyre
If you can cite a single instance of a cosmic being being injured by heat I would appreciate it. I can't seem to recall any.

Did I say that the Surfer would no-sell either of those attacks?

First, what do you define as heat? If you mean generic fires or even exploding Suns, then obviously I don't think they would if I believe Surfer can shrug it off. I'm talking about high end natural/cosmic forces.

I never said that you said he would no sell those attacks. I'm simply pointing it out because the earlier guy seemed to think Surfer being "immune" to heat would apply to heat vision or whatever.

I haven't read any of Rage's posts.

But I can say with 100% certainty that they are all wrong.

Originally posted by Mindset
I haven't read any of Rage's posts.

But I can say with 100% certainty that they are all wrong.

I love you too man.

I wouldn't be surprised if Surfer was a little more resistant to HV than most other top tiers. He'd probably be hurt by the concussive force of the HV, but the heat portion he'd probably resist more. He tends to be portrayed to be extremely resistant to heat. His most recent mini had him sitting in the heart of a star, and he commented on not even feeling a "tingle."

Originally posted by golem370
Because Silver Surfer is an energy absorber plus Superman heat vision is powered by sun so how can it be hotter then the source of the powers.

it's only powered by the sun like the rest of him is. it isn't "sun vision" or anything like that.

besides, superman's body isn't just a battery, it's a converter. he takes the solar energy in to his body and refines it, creating a more substantial form of energy, a more potent one.

Originally posted by Dampyre
There's no precedent for anything like that. It's just wishful thinking. You are entitled to your opinion though.

I don't agree. Energy has hurt Surfer before.

Originally posted by Dampyre
If you can cite a single instance of a cosmic being being injured by heat I would appreciate it. I can't seem to recall any.

Did I say that the Surfer would no-sell either of those attacks?

It's not just heat, though.

His heat vision hurt The Weird in his intangible state, because of specific properties you don't get from normal heat....

Originally posted by Dampyre
All I have to say is the vast majority of writers would disagree with you. It's a no-brainer, really.
And who would be all these writers? Name those and post their opinions.

Originally posted by Mindset
Fanboy.

I was thinling the same thing. dude is a superman lover

Originally posted by vince_slice
I wouldn't be surprised if Surfer was a little more resistant to HV than most other top tiers. He'd probably be hurt by the concussive force of the HV, but the heat portion he'd probably resist more. He tends to be portrayed to be extremely resistant to heat. His most recent mini had him sitting in the heart of a star, and he commented on not even feeling a "tingle."
The same series had him saying he had to "fight" through solar plasma.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/galactus4.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
The same series had him saying he had to "fight" through solar plasma.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/galactus4.jpg
At no point in that scan does anything say the heat would have hurt him or that it would have been a task for him to fight through it. The only thing that scan says is that if Surfer had wanted to he could have gone through it but decided not to.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The same series had him saying he had to "fight" through solar plasma.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/galactus4.jpg Originally posted by Newjak
At no point in that scan does anything say the heat would have hurt him or that it would have been a task for him to fight through it. The only thing that scan says is that if Surfer had wanted to he could have gone through it but decided not to.

Lol.

Originally posted by Newjak
At no point in that scan does anything say the heat would have hurt him or that it would have been a task for him to fight through it. The only thing that scan says is that if Surfer had wanted to he could have gone through it but decided not to.
I never said it hurt him. Having to fight through solar plasma by his own admission is already bad enough. Rookie lanterns fly through that like bathroom shower by their own admission.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol.
Yeah, thor was also burned by sun. Marvel heralds are so fragile!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
I never said it hurt him. Having to fight through solar plasma by his own admission is already bad enough. Rookie lanterns fly through that like bathroom shower by their own admission.

Originally posted by Newjak
At no point in that scan does anything say the heat would have hurt him or that it would have been a task for him to fight through it. The only thing that scan says is that if Surfer had wanted to he could have gone through it but decided not to. I quote my post again to give you one last chance to really look at it and look at the scan again.

After doing that instead of trying to play the political comic book heroes game actually take a second to figure out at no point does Surfer say anything about fighting through the solar plasma being a challenge for him, it only says and I repeat.

If the Surfer had wanted to he could have gone through it but decided not to.

That's all your scan really says.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Strength - Superman.
2. Speed - Superman in combat speed, split or edge to Surfer in straight line speed.
3. Intelligence - Superman.
4. Durability - Split or edge to Surfer I guess.
5. Stamina - Not sure, gut says Superman.
6. Reflexes - Superman.
7. Agility - Superman.
8. Energy Blasts - Split or edge to Surfer.
9. Versatility - Surfer.

This pretty much though I'd say Surfer has better hard durability while Superman has much better blunt force durability.

And I'd give energy blasts to Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, thor was also burned by sun. Marvel heralds are so fragile!!!

Apparently. When did the Sun burn Thor?

Originally posted by Newjak
I quote my post again to give you one last chance to really look at it and look at the scan again.

After doing that instead of trying to play the political comic book heroes game actually take a second to figure out at no point does Surfer say anything about fighting through the solar plasma being a challenge for him, it only says and I repeat.

If the Surfer had wanted to he could have gone through it but decided not to.

That's all your scan really says.
That's what I said in my post too. Not sure what is being argued here. Surfer said "I could fight my way through solar plasma" and that's it. Nowhere did I argue that surfer would be hurt or struggle to "fight" through plasma. You know like how rookie lanterns "fight" through solar plasma

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/TalesofGLCorpsAnnual01-13.jpg

Oops........

Seriously using suns and shit to prove surfer is immune to HV is lolworthy. Surfer was knocked out by smashing into a speeding ship once and in the next issue he was fighting inside a black hole. He is inconsistent like that like every other character.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Apparently. When did the Sun burn Thor?
Do you really want me to answer that rage? It was in one of bendis' avengers book around Osborn being Super adaptoid and all that shit. Pretty stupid but hey, quasar was unable to stand the heat of the photosphere of the sun.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what I said in my post too. Not sure what is being argued here. Surfer said "I could fight my way through solar plasma" and that's it. Nowhere did I argue that surfer would be hurt or struggle to "fight" through plasma. You know like how rookie lanterns "fight" through solar plasma

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/TalesofGLCorpsAnnual01-13.jpg

Oops........

Seriously using suns and shit to prove surfer is immune to HV is lolworthy. Surfer was knocked out by smashing into a speeding ship once and in the next issue he was fighting inside a black hole. He is inconsistent like that like every other character. The angle you're trying to play with this is lolwourthy.

You're obviously trying to make a strenuous connection with the scan you're posting and to a rookie GL.

But once again it's a useless comparison cause you don't know how much energy Surfer would have had to exert to actually overcome the effect.


All the scan says and I repeat Surfer could have over come it but instead chose not to.

You really can't form the argument you are trying to make with that scan.

The only things you can confer from that scan is that Solar Palsma doesn't hurt Surfer and that he can over come it should he choose to. That's it.

Oh and he can breath in space and survive in it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you really want me to answer that rage? It was in one of bendis' avengers book around Osborn being Super adaptoid and all that shit. Pretty stupid but hey, quasar was unable to stand the heat of the photosphere of the sun.

Why wouldn't I? If it happened, it happened, me not liking it won't change anything. Was this in New Avenger's or something? I really can't recall the instance you're talking about.

Yeah, will shit happens. Under Bendis, Sentry couldn't endure the center of the Sun for long. Under some writers, even Cosmic's are around more or less planet busting. Not everyone has heralds surviving Stars, just the nature of the beast.

Silver Surfer should be able to to duplicate anything power wise that Superman can do but the same can't be said about Superman with SS powers.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what I said in my post too. Not sure what is being argued here. Surfer said "I could fight my way through solar plasma" and that's it. Nowhere did I argue that surfer would be hurt or struggle to "fight" through plasma. You know like how rookie lanterns "fight" through solar plasma

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/TalesofGLCorpsAnnual01-13.jpg

Oops........

Seriously using suns and shit to prove surfer is immune to HV is lolworthy. Surfer was knocked out by smashing into a speeding ship once and in the next issue he was fighting inside a black hole. He is inconsistent like that like every other character. So your own scan shows your inability to comprehend then you downplay the sun. LOL.

Originally posted by abhilegend
1.Strength: Superman and surfer is not even close in this department.
2.Speed: Superman, vastly superior in combat speed and a clear edge in flight speed.
3.Intellegence: Superman, what has surfer actually done to denote he is anywhere near superman in intelligence?
4.Durability: Edge to superman overall, edge to surfer in piercing durability.
5.Stamina: Superman.
6.Reflexes: Superman
7.Agility: Superman
8.Energy Blasts: Split
9.Versatility: Surfer

Who takes it?: Superman beats the shit out of surfer.

You truly are a moron who doesn't read comics and clearly not surfer comics. Superman has zero flight speed that even comes close to Surfer's best. In fact, what is superman best flight speed? Stamina Superman.. WTF... When has surfer ever gotten tired.. elaborate please. Energy blasts split LULZ... What the F are you basing this load of turd on.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I assumed they took 1 minute to reach there, which given how quickly they went is a very large amount of time.
He also uses space-warps and black holes to get there if the distance is large enough. Like this

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7020/ssenslavers06vb5.jpg

Anyway that million lightyears trip is the best feat he has and that is how we can calculate his flight speed, not some hypothetical scenario where he crosses universe and shit to find planets for galactus and thus is faster than anybody.


It took a minute.. Please post the narration that says a minute and I'm still waiting on the narration that talks about the exact distance again.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You truly are a moron who doesn't read comics and clearly not surfer comics. Superman has zero flight speed that even comes close to Surfer's best. In fact, what is superman best flight speed? Stamina Superman.. WTF... When has surfer ever gotten tired.. elaborate please. Energy blasts split LULZ... What the F are you basing this load of turd on. Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It took a minute.. Please post the narration that says a minute and I'm still waiting on the narration that talks about the exact distance again.
Originally posted by Newjak
The angle you're trying to play with this is lolwourthy.

You're obviously trying to make a strenuous connection with the scan you're posting and to a rookie GL.

But once again it's a useless comparison cause you don't know how much energy Surfer would have had to exert to actually overcome the effect.


All the scan says and I repeat Surfer could have over come it but instead chose not to.

You really can't form the argument you are trying to make with that scan.

The only things you can confer from that scan is that Solar Palsma doesn't hurt Surfer and that he can over come it should he choose to. That's it.

Oh and he can breath in space and survive in it.
Absolutely "lolwourthy", lolwourthy I say.

He has to fight through solar plasma, so he's obviously not immune to heat as was the intention of the poster. That's all. I don't care if surfer farts and that makes him fight through solar plasma. That would still be below rookie GLs effortlessly going through suns.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why wouldn't I? If it happened, it happened, me not liking it won't change anything. Was this in New Avenger's or something? I really can't recall the instance you're talking about.

Yeah, will shit happens. Under Bendis, Sentry couldn't endure the center of the Sun for long. Under some writers, even Cosmic's are around more or less planet busting. Not everyone has heralds surviving Stars, just the nature of the beast.

I would find the scans. No it was the main avengers title.

Yeah, writers are stupid sometimes.