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i've been enjoying (mostly) the new 52 aquaman, and i like the way they depict mera. so, "aquawoman" believes that if she doesn't win each match, arthur dies. how far can she make it?

1. cap
2. spidey
3. logan
4. thing
5. invisible woman
6. ironman
7. hulk (current, indestructible)
8. wonderwoman

may not be in exactly a descending order of power due to the nature of said powers against her. using current mera and/or the pre-reboot version, who in the list can she take out for a majority?

Originally posted by leonidas
"aquawoman" believes that if she doesn't win each match, arthur dies. how far can she make it?

She takes a dive in the first round

Couldn't she BFR the first 4 with the ocean?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Couldn't she BFR the first 4 with the ocean? Of course she can the empty white standard forum fight room is full of water.

I assumed she was near the ocean. Its kind of meh having her fight with no mass of water nearby if you ask me, but whatever.

I suppose she could dehydrate the first 2-3 but she will probably get pimp slapped before she gets the chance to.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Its kind of meh having her fight with no mass of water nearby if you ask me, but whatever. I agree

Mera is not even canon. From The Lame Unadventures of Aquaman #5:

http://i45.tinypic.com/332yvdl.png

This is actually an interesting thread. I say she stops at 5. I recall her powers couldn't work on Black Manta because his suit was completely sealed off. So Sue with her force fields should be it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Mera is not even canon. From The Lame Unadventures of Aquaman #5:

http://i45.tinypic.com/332yvdl.png
Oh you.......

She stops at 5 or 6. Dehydration and moisture control make her a deadly opponent.

Originally posted by -Pr-
She stops at 5 or 6. Dehydration and moisture control make her a deadly opponent.

that's kinda what i was thinking. in an average guy, there are about 90lbs of water. that's ALMOST 2 cubic feet of water. that's....quite a bit. mera pulled the water from that guy with the gun pretty easily. he couldn't even shoot. and imo she could have done it a LOT quicker than she did. even in a standard forum match, the first 4 have no chance imo. she would only need SOME of the water from their body's to play with and make weapons from anyway i think sue would be the most problematic. i haven't read up to the manta issue that zop raised, but it certainly seems a fair point. tony's suit would also seem to protect him then.

what if she were near a river and battled sue or tony?

as far as hulk--i think that would be interesting. she's strong and agile and pretty damn durable. i wonder if she could dehydrate him before hulk ko'd her? if he thunderclapped instantly, he would win, but i doubt that would be his first line of attack.

ww is similar to hulk. near water, i think she could take ww OR hulk, but i'm not sure about a majority. in a standard match, it comes down to whether she could dehydrate them fast enough.

there is also the water vapour in the air she might use, though i'm not sure we've seen her show THAT level of water control post or pre-reboot.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's kinda what i was thinking. in an average guy, there are about 90lbs of water. that's ALMOST 2 cubic feet of water. that's....quite a bit. mera pulled the water from that guy with the gun pretty easily. he couldn't even shoot. and imo she could have done it a LOT quicker than she did. even in a standard forum match, the first 4 have no chance imo. she would only need SOME of the water from their body's to play with and make weapons from anyway i think sue would be the most problematic. i haven't read up to the manta issue that zop raised, but it certainly seems a fair point. tony's suit would also seem to protect him then.

what if she were near a river and battled sue or tony?

as far as hulk--i think that would be interesting. she's strong and agile and pretty damn durable. i wonder if she could dehydrate him before hulk ko'd her? if he thunderclapped instantly, he would win, but i doubt that would be his first line of attack.

ww is similar to hulk. near water, i think she could take ww OR hulk, but i'm not sure about a majority. in a standard match, it comes down to whether she could dehydrate them fast enough.

there is also the water vapour in the air she might use, though i'm not sure we've seen her show THAT level of water control post or pre-reboot.

yeah, iirc Manta's suit was hermetically sealed. I'm sure Tony's is the same. On Sue, I could see it working though.

I'm not sure a thunderclap would one-shot her, but yeah it would do some damage.

With Diana, I'm wondering if being somewhat godly would protect her. I'm not sure.

Preboot, I'm almost certain I remember her manipulating water vapour. I can't remember where/when though.

She flashes everyone then goes for a nut shot. If cap can with stand her god like bossoms. Its basically dismay for her vajayjay

Mera has complete control over water, including the water found inside a person body. If she's bloodlusted and willing to kill then I can see her getting past Iron Man. I'm not sure if she'll be fast enough to use the same gimmick on the Hulk.

Originally posted by zopzop
This is actually an interesting thread. I say she stops at 5. I recall her powers couldn't work on Black Manta because his suit was completely sealed off. So Sue with her force fields should be it.


Oh you.......

What number was that issue? I finished reading the first trade about a month ago. Can't wait for the second one to be out.

Originally posted by -Pr-
yeah, iirc Manta's suit was hermetically sealed. I'm sure Tony's is the same. On Sue, I could see it working though.

Wait, you see the water draining thing working through Sue's force fields but not Iron Man's armor?

Another question, how powerful are her hard water constructs?
Originally posted by aztec
What number was that issue? I finished reading the first trade about a month ago. Can't wait for the second one to be out.
Oh man, I don't remember. I just saw the scan on this forum somewhere.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wait, you see the water draining thing working through Sue's force fields but not Iron Man's armor?

Another question, how powerful are her hard water constructs?

Oh man, I don't remember. I just saw the scan on this forum somewhere.

I was speaking more that it depends on how Sue uses her powers. She isn't going to encase herself in a bubble every single time, is she.

As hard as water can be, I guess.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wait, you see the water draining thing working through Sue's force fields but not Iron Man's armor?

Another question, how powerful are her hard water constructs?

Oh man, I don't remember. I just saw the scan on this forum somewhere.

In that case you shouldn't debate for Mera.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I was speaking more that it depends on how Sue uses her powers. She isn't going to encase herself in a bubble every single time, is she.

As hard as water can be, I guess.

Quick question: Why can't Mera control the water if the person is wearing a suit?

Originally posted by aztec
Quick question: Why can't Mera control the water if the person is wearing a suit?

It requires a telepathic signal. Like Storm's weather manipulation etc.

See:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/14995502_Aquaman-Zone-_006.jpg

Though I was wrong about how it was sealed. My bad.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It requires a telepathic signal. Like Storm's weather manipulation etc.

See:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/14995502_Aquaman-Zone-_006.jpg

Though I was wrong about how it was sealed. My bad.

finally read the issue. kind of a strange explanation. bio-electrically sealed? does that mean she couldn't affect ironman? not sure his suit is sealed in the same way. there IS some evidence i think that tp (or certain forms of it) CAN affect sue through her shield (crystal for instance was able to use her powers through sue's field, but i don't know if crystal's powers work like mera's though it doesn't seem an illogical stance). imo it wouldn't be a stretch to see mera affect the environment in a bubble, but sue could also kill mera.

ironman i'm still not sure about though, but it seems unlikely. she'd need access to some water to have a chance to take him, imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
not sure his suit is sealed in the same way. there IS some evidence i think that tp (or certain forms of it) CAN affect sue through her shield (crystal for instance was able to use her powers through sue's field, but i don't know if crystal's powers work like mera's though it doesn't seem an illogical stance). imo it wouldn't be a stretch to see mera affect the environment in a bubble, but sue could also kill mera.

Wait, what?! When did this happen?!

EDIT :
Leo is this it?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/79475/1455153-untitledp1_super.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
Wait, what?! When did this happen?!

EDIT :
Leo is this it?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/79475/1455153-untitledp1_super.jpg

yep. if crys can do that, i see no reason to think mera couldn't impact the water vapour within her bubble--if she even elected to go for a full surround bubble as protection.

Originally posted by leonidas
yep. if crys can do that, i see no reason to think mera couldn't impact the water vapour within her bubble--if she even elected to go for a full surround bubble as protection.
Damn, you do have a point.

So then Mera has a shot of getting passed IW then. Looking at this, the only people I see her having problems with are IM/Hulk/WW. And even then, she MAY have a shot at Iron Man. The only reason her powers didn't work on Manta is because he knew how they operate and was ready to counter them. Iron Man doesn't have that luxury, since he has no history of going up against her (obviously).

Hmmmm....

agreed. i'm not sure tony's armor would, by default, stop her powers. probably, but i'm not sure.

hulk and ww--i think hulk might be an issue. not sure she could dehydrate him fast enough. she could just prull the water from his brain, or shift it around internally to fill his lungs, but i thought there was a scene somewhere that showed it was unlikely for hulk to drown....? ww could certainly drown were she to fill her lungs with the water in ww's own body. don't know if she could survive an all-out blitz from diana though if diana went for a blitz from the outset.....

mera is a lot tougher than most people know.

Tony's suit is fully sealed to such a degree that nanobots so small they'd enter your pores can't enter - it was a plot point in CoC. Also, no signal can enter his suit without him letting it, it's part of the reason that no one can teleport him outside of his own suit (another plot point in CoC).

To be clear, this all happened pre-extremis so the fact that he is half cyborg now might work in his favor or against him. Not sure if he still has all the water of a normal human. I'd doubt she could affect him though considering how his suit and him act.

As for IW, I know of another instance where Sersi couldn't affect anything inside her shields. It depends on if IW completely seals off the shield - leaving her with only the air inside of it - or if it "breaths".

After thinking about it some more, I think that she would be able to affect Sue. Not Tony though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
As hard as water can be, I guess.
No, I mean, if she shields herself or forms a wall out of them, how much punishment can said construct take? On panel, what have her water constructs done?

Originally posted by leonidas
that's kinda what i was thinking. in an average guy, there are about 90lbs of water. that's ALMOST 2 cubic feet of water. that's....quite a bit. mera pulled the water from that guy with the gun pretty easily.
Yeah, about 60% of a man's body weight is from water. Certain organs in the body have an even higher percentage of water making up their weight (like the brain and lungs 70%+). Blood is like 90% water.

If she can really suck the water out of people on whim, she can literally wreck any being that can't stop her hydrokinesis. Imagine if she instantly dehydrates the Hulk's blood?

Originally posted by zopzop
No, I mean, if she shields herself or forms a wall out of them, how much punishment can said construct take? On panel, what have her water constructs done?


Yeah, about 60% of a man's body weight is from water. Certain organs in the body have an even higher percentage of water making up their weight (like the brain and lungs 70%+). Blood is like 90% water.

If she can really suck the water out of people on whim, she can literally wreck any being that can't stop her hydrokinesis. Imagine if she instantly dehydrates the Hulk's blood?

yeah, i doubt she could affect tony. like bw said, sue COULD be an issue i guess, but i doubt she would seal herself off completely at the outset, but maybe. even if she did, the shield may or may not impede mera's signal. there is a little bit of evidence that suggests she CAN outright block tp energy (vs psi-lord) and some to suggest she can't (there's that rather dubious scan of emma affecting her, though i don't think it was a full shield, but she was certainly affected by psychoman, though again whether she tried to directly shield his influence was never terribly clear iirc....)

anyway, better chance she takes out sue than tony for sure.

dehydration results in cell destruction, which leads in turn to death, which is why i'm not sure how her dehydrating powers would affect hulk. his cells would heal from the damage quickly, but i'm not sure how weakened he would be. drowning him, or shifting all the water from his brain might be enough to incapacitate him though, maybe. i think she'd have better luck against diana, though if ww got in close she'd end it with her sword. i actually think mera could hang h2h--at least for a while--with her though.

Mera kind of seems more formidable than Arthur.

Reason I like her. She kicks ass.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i doubt she could affect tony. like bw said, sue COULD be an issue i guess, but i doubt she would seal herself off completely at the outset, but maybe. even if she did, the shield may or may not impede mera's signal. there is a little bit of evidence that suggests she CAN outright block tp energy (vs psi-lord) and some to suggest she can't (there's that rather dubious scan of emma affecting her, though i don't think it was a full shield, but she was certainly affected by psychoman, though again whether she tried to directly shield his influence was never terribly clear iirc....)

anyway, better chance she takes out sue than tony for sure.

dehydration results in cell destruction, which leads in turn to death, which is why i'm not sure how her dehydrating powers would affect hulk. his cells would heal from the damage quickly, but i'm not sure how weakened he would be. drowning him, or shifting all the water from his brain might be enough to incapacitate him though, maybe. i think she'd have better luck against diana, though if ww got in close she'd end it with her sword. i actually think mera could hang h2h--at least for a while--with her though.
Dehydration aside, how powerful are her water constructs, do you know?

I mean has she deflected bullets with them? KOed metahumans with them? Etc...

Mera drops a ton of water on them. Game over!

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Mera kind of seems more formidable than Arthur.

Reason I like her. She kicks ass.

Heresy.

Originally posted by zopzop
No, I mean, if she shields herself or forms a wall out of them, how much punishment can said construct take? On panel, what have her water constructs done?


Yeah, about 60% of a man's body weight is from water. Certain organs in the body have an even higher percentage of water making up their weight (like the brain and lungs 70%+). Blood is like 90% water.

If she can really suck the water out of people on whim, she can literally wreck any being that can't stop her hydrokinesis. Imagine if she instantly dehydrates the Hulk's blood?

I'd have to check.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Mera kind of seems more formidable than Arthur.



http://imageshack.us/f/22/aquamanzone001.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/aquamanzone002.jpg/



and zop, about the water constructs--i've seen her penetrate armors (atlantean i think) with weapons she's made, but i don't know for sure the extent her shields could protect her.

TBH, I seem them having strengths and weaknesses that compliment one another.

In RPG terms, she's the caster that can do massive damage, but is squishy, while he's the tank that can soak up all the damage and keep on fighting.

Makes it to 5.
If Sue is shielded she will take Mera.
If Mera goes full out with her hydrokinesis she makes it to IM, where she stops.
IMO.

Originally posted by leonidas
http://imageshack.us/f/22/aquamanzone001.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/aquamanzone002.jpg/



and zop, about the water constructs--i've seen her penetrate armors (atlantean i think) with weapons she's made, but i don't know for sure the extent her shields could protect her.

It's only a non proven boast.
More common than Batman using batarangs.

Johns has shown us that AQ is on a different level physically compared to Mera.

Check Flashpoint.
Mera gets practically one shot by WW in a physical combat (next to the sea), when AQ has WW nearly beaten on the surface of Themiscyra, before she is saved from Captain Thunder.

Plus Mera has never shown speed like AQ when he rushes WW in JL 16. Or the many times he avoided point blank gunfire, lazers, outran Asmodels Angels running on rooftops or tagged Flash while running on water.
And AQ's strength and durability feats dwarf Mera's also.

Also this NuMera does not know everything about AQ, who has kept secrets from her a good amount of times, meaning her boast is even more uninformed.

cool, some good info there. from what i've seen of numera (i like that....) i'd say she would have a def shot of taking arthur down if she was of a mind to do so. jury's still out on that point though. hopefully we learn more about the full extent of her power.

Yeah she would have a chance.
Not physically though.

But her power is almost broken.
Really dangerous.
She is very formidable and I think Johns will give her some good moments if she gets in the JL.