(Tales of the Old Republic) Revan -vs- Darth Sidious (Revenge of the Sith)

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Rookwood
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Revan (as of Tales of the Old Republic) and Darth Sidious (as of Revenge of the Sith) are whisked away by the Force.

They reappear on Coruscant in the Jedi Temple - in the Temple Training Room.

The Temple is deserted and Revan and Sidious understand they must do battle.

Starting Distance Apart: 5 Feet.

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1. Sabers

2. Force

3. All. Out.

Col. Valerian
Is TOR Revan more powerful than his KOTOR, or his Revan version?

Rookwood
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Is TOR Revan more powerful than his KOTOR, or his Revan version?

I believe so.

Also, don't forget to vote for who has superior Stats in this fight (Above). wink

We're going to have a fair, accurate assessment of Revan versus Sidious, to see who is truly more powerful and deadly.

Rookwood
1. Sidious

2. Sidious

3. Sidious

Revan has no chance. cool

Rookwood
I see Revan apparently has no chance, here..

S_W_LeGenD
I will break old taboos here.

At this point, Sidious's only chance of victory is with sabers.

Sabers: Sidious (possibly)

Revan is no slouch when it comes to martial abilities; thanks to his amazing precognitive abilities, he is capable of making precise judgements and perform precise strikes. The manner in which he outdueled an Imperial Guard individual is indication enough.

As per Drew; Revan is skilled in all forms of lightsaber combat. However, Revan have no specific preference in case of Forms; he mixes his style if he feels appropriate.

Sidious have demonstrated the ability to blitz competent duelists. Though he have his share of losses in this aspect as well. His performance against the brothers indicate that he may handle Revan in this aspect.

Force: Revan

Revan's command of the Force is incredible and has received some serious hype.

Hype 1: Jedi Order's most powerful champion
Hype 2: Mighty Sith
Hype 3: Champion of the dark side
Hype 4: Command of the Force greater then that of any individual whom Meetra have met
Hype 5: Like Vitiate, understands the Force in ways that Scourge wouldn't ever perhaps

Combat performance wise;

1. Instrumental in defeat of the Sith forces in the Battle of Rakata Prime (destroyed Sith forces stationed inside Star Forge specially)
1. Defeated Darth Malak aboard Star Forge
2. WTFpwned Darth Nyriss
3. Came close to assassinating Darth Vitiate (As per SWTORE)

This is some serious shit.

At this point, Sidious is no where close to Vitiate in power. He cannot do much to Revan with his powers. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Revan flawlessely bends Sidious's FL back at him to give him the taste of his own medicine and injure or exhaust him in this manner.

As per Drew; Revan is capable of performing insane feats. However, Revan is very calculative in his choices. He doesn't steps out of boundaries unless pushed enough.

In the TOR game, Revan appears to be very impressive with the Force; his Force based attacks are unblockable.

All Out: Inconclusive

It took an Imperial strike team (comprised of some bad@sses) to defeat Revan aboard Foundary. And this is after 300 years of torture he endured.

Heck, it isn't even clear if Revan fell in this battle; existing rumors suggest that he used special powers to escape from the region (possibly bended time and space to perform this feat). If Revan is alive after this assault, it is possible for him to cheat death like situations.

In good shape, Revan is an overwhelming opponent.

I put the all out at inconclusive because;

1. Sidious may win with sabers
2. Revan may prevent Sidious from killing him by using his special abilities to escape
3. Sidious may get injured

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Nephthys
The only thing Revan might have on Sidious is the ability to handle his lightning. Other than that Revan doesn't have much of a chance.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by Nephthys
The only thing Revan might have on Sidious is the ability to handle his lightning. Other than that Revan doesn't have much of a chance.
Well, let us not underestimate Revan.

He was holding his own against Vitiate for a while until the latter went all out on him. It is safe to assume that Revan packs lot of power and skill.

Tutaminis can be game changer in a contest as apparent from several examples. It is very difficult to gain proficiency in this ability; to use the body to absorb harmful energies through raw power in the Force. Only supremely strong Force-wielders could perform this feat with proficiency.

We may have not seen much from Revan but it would be a mistake to assume that he isn't capable of performing formidable feats.

Revan's performance in TOR should leave no doubt in any ones's mind about his combat prowess and skill. If it took a strike team of bad@sses to defeat him and this after all Revan had been through; then this is more then enough indication of him being among the true elites of the mythos. On top of this, if Revan have managed to use the Force to escape from this encounter; then I don't know what will be required to stop him.

I do believe that Sidious can win with sabers. However, at this point, he cannot subdue Revan with his Force powers.

The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
The only thing Revan might have on Sidious is the ability to handle his lightning. Other than that Revan doesn't have much of a chance.

not really

You highly underestimate Darth Revan and I would advise you not to. Darth Sidious isn't perfect you know he has been beaten before.

Kreia (Darth Traya) once observed that witnessing Revan was like staring into the heart of the Force and lest we forget, this was the woman who trained the likes of Darth Sion and Nihilus. Nihilus, in turn, could drain entire worlds and Revan is known to have practiced the art of Force Drain (Book of Sith) and studied the lore found on Malachor V that provided the foundation for the Force Drain Kreia, Nihilus, and their Assassins used. Thus it is pretty obvious that Darth Revan himself is a master of Extremely powerful planet-grade Force drain and we can intuit that, since he did not degrade to the degree Nihilus did, his mastery of it is complete.

Additionally, Darth Revan defeated a Star Forge-bolstered Darth Malak who was very powerful and a very skilled duelist. He also WTFpwned!!1! Dark Councilor Nyriss who in turn defeated Scourge (another very powerful Force user and fighter) and the Exile. He also defeated The Imperial Guard who are not very powerful Force users but are better than for the purposes of my argument. All of this is significantly higher than even Darth Sidious's showings.

Revan was also probably a master of Force Whirlwind. Not only does Revan win, he WTFpwnstomps.

S_W_LeGenD
My telepathic powers work well. cool

CountDooku22
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My telepathic powers work well. cool

Apparently, you can't detect sarcasm very well, though. laughing

CountDooku22
So who wins this fight?

Sidious.. or Revan?

Mizukage Yoda
Sidious takes all three. Sabers he dominates, All out he dominates, force he wins in much less of a stomp, but still a decisive victory.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Sidious takes all three. Sabers he dominates, All out he dominates, force he wins in much less of a stomp, but still a decisive victory.
For ROTS Sidious, this is too much of a stretch.

For DE Sidious, your argument holds.

Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
For ROTS Sidious, this is too much of a stretch.

For DE Sidious, your argument holds.

No it isn't in Darth Plagueis, Sidious and Plagueis challange the force itself for supremacy. Vitiate has no such hype.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No it isn't in Darth Plagueis, Sidious and Plagueis challange the force itself for supremacy. Vitiate has no such hype.
Vitiate makes necessary arrangements to consume or destroy entire Galaxy and you say that he has no hype? Can any hype be greater then this one?

Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate makes necessary arrangements to consume or destroy entire Galaxy and you say that he has no hype? Can any hype be greater then this one?

Sidious has no desire to consume the galaxy. He wanted to enslave it, and he did.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Sidious has no desire to consume the galaxy. He wanted to enslave it, and he did.
He didn't exactly "enslaved" the Galaxy otherwise he wouldn't have any enemies to deal with. He certainly transformed the Republic in to a Sith Empire from within. And after suffering setbacks at the hands of Jedi and rebels, he then paid significant attention to improving his command of the dark side so that he could reduce his dependency upon the assets of his Empire to rule the Galaxy (This is his DE phase). He used Byss as his experimental ground during DE phase; no longer a mortal being, he could defy biological limitations this time.

Both Vitiate and Sidious were capable of pushing boundaries. Vitiate possibly even more so because of his immense knowledge of the lore and such.

After second confrontation with Revan, Vitiate started employing Abeloth like abilities to further safeguard himself from external threats. So we should admit that Revan is a very potent threat in combat.

Ascendancy
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He didn't exactly "enslaved" the Galaxy otherwise he wouldn't have any enemies to deal with. He certainly transformed the Republic in to a Sith Empire from within. And after suffering setbacks at the hands of Jedi and rebels, he then paid significant attention to improving his command of the dark side so that he could reduce his dependency upon the assets of his Empire to rule the Galaxy (This is his DE phase). He used Byss as his experimental ground during DE phase; no longer a mortal being, he could defy biological limitations this time.

Both Vitiate and Sidious were capable of pushing boundaries. Vitiate possibly even more so because of his immense knowledge of the lore and such.

After second confrontation with Revan, Vitiate started employing Abeloth like abilities to further safeguard himself from external threats. So we should admit that Revan is a very potent threat in combat.

Your posts make no sense. In one thread Vitiate is apparently more than a match for both Plaegius and Sidious, even without prep which is ridiculous, yet here you say that Revan alone, whom he previously mind dominated, was a threat to his rule.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by Ascendancy
Your posts make no sense. In one thread Vitiate is apparently more than a match for both Plaegius and Sidious, even without prep which is ridiculous, yet here you say that Revan alone, whom he previously mind dominated, was a threat to his rule.
Buy this book: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-The-Republic-Encyclopedia/dp/0756698391

Most of my assertions will make sense to you then.

Nephthys
Revan was able to counter his mental domination. Were he unable to do that the fight would have ended the same as it did the first 2 times he tried to take on Vitiate (which it did anyway, lol).

Lord Malet
Sidious is weak and pathetic he couldn't even face his master in a real fight he killed him in his sleep. Revan was far more superior than Sidious he's the only person that found clarity between light and dark.

Ascendancy
Treachery was the Sith way, hence why Malak turned on Revan.

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