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1. h2h, surfer is not allowed to use the pc to augment his strength or use the pc period.

2. Diana gets all her gear including sword, shield gauntlets of atlas for increased strength, will this be enough to offset surfer who gets the full use of the pc in this scenario?

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1. WW (Im assuming classic)

2. probably WW

1. What do you mean by no PC at all?
2. Surfer.

SS is confined to his baseline physical atributes.

H2H WW should beat him but his durability is up there and WW would have to really work for it. But She should win in a pure h2h combat.

2. When you say full use of the PC. Meaning that you want to use a surfer that will very likely use his most exotic powers or is this just... normal surfer v.s. an amped WW?

Originally posted by Lord Feron
H2H WW should beat him but his durability is up there and WW would have to really work for it. But She should win in a pure h2h combat.

2. When you say full use of the PC. Meaning that you want to use a surfer that will very likely use his most exotic powers or is this just... normal surfer v.s. an amped WW? Yes to offset her high powered weaponry and the hugh strength advantage that the ag would give her.

so you mean a torunament surfer type of thing? he could take her down

Originally posted by 753
so you mean a torunament surfer type of thing? he could take her down I mean an all out battle with each trying to take down the other,

SS

WW in both

1.) Diana, seems like spite

2.) Norrin solidly

1. WW
2. SS

Originally posted by pym-ftw
1.) Diana, seems like spite

2.) Norrin solidly

1. Diana
2. Surfer - If WW got her hands on him she'd destroy him, but she won't. He would just BFR her.

1. WW
2. Surfer

1. Diana wins 6/10.
2. Diana mudstomps surfer.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
1.) Diana, seems like spite

2.) Norrin solidly

1. WW. Though due mostly to Norrin's durability, she may win by points more than a KO.

2. SS. Though at first -- given she's a warrior at heart and he isn't -- he'll probably get kicked around a bit until he gets serious.

People are seriously giving surfer the win over a wonder woman who is 10 times stronger, has a sword to cut him to pieces, magical shield, sandals of hermes which augments her already superior combat speed and a lot of other trinkets? BTW diana can travel between dimensions with sandals of hermes, BFR is useless. Seriously she would oneshot him.

Originally posted by Mindship
1. WW. Though due mostly to Norrin's durability, she may win by points more than a KO.

2. SS. Though at first -- given she's a warrior at heart and he isn't -- he'll probably get kicked around a bit until he gets serious.
Wonder Woman is more than capable of knocking surfer out in melee. I don't know where is this uber-durable surfer coming from, sure his cutting durability is A LOT better than her but blunt force durability? Not so much.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman is more than capable of knocking surfer out in melee. I don't know where is this uber-durable surfer coming from, sure his cutting durability is A LOT better than her but blunt force durability? Not so much. Surfer has taken full-power hits from Hulk and barely winced. He survived multiple shots from near-Galactus-level beings Tenebrous and Aegis, and in a weakened state he took down Abomination handedly. I don't doubt that WW could knock SS out, if he just stood there and took it. But he's no slouch when it comes to h2h, either. He's not on WW's level, sure, but overall, given his durability and h2h skills, I see it unlikely that WW will score a knockout blow.

Any time I will see a resonable post on this forum, I'll come back this thread so I don't get carried away with "maybe it's not that bad".
Originally posted by Mindship
Surfer has taken full-power hits from Hulk and barely winced. He survived multiple shots from near-Galactus-level beings Tenebrous and Aegis, and in a weakened state he took down Abomination handedly. I don't doubt that WW could knock SS out, if he just stood there and took it. But he's no slouch when it comes to h2h, either. He's not on WW's level, sure, but overall, given his durability and h2h skills, I see it unlikely that WW will score a knockout blow. Is this sarcasm, or a genuine post?

I also dont think that she would hurt him that badly.

Originally posted by ThereIsHope
I also dont think Yes, there seems to be quite many of you.

Sorry, I just dont think that She would be able to hurt him that badly, unless she had some weapons. It is true that Planet Hulk tried to hurt him, and even when the SS was weak it didnt do much. Why would Diana fair much better?

On the contrary the hulk almost killed him in planet hulk after he smashed the mind control disc.

..............No he didnt.

Maybe your right, I just dont remember it going down that way.

They destroy the control disc

Surfer is on his knees thanking Hulk

Hulk smashes Surfer who was depowered like three times (worm hole, the planet, and the control disc though it just got brokeded)

Surfer gets up like nothing happened a page or so later. Knock out, sure, almost kill, no.

Originally posted by lawest9
On the contrary the hulk almost killed him in planet hulk after he smashed the mind control disc.

*ahem* surfer was weakened *ahem* surfer was cheapshotted

Id have to reread the comic, I just dont remember him being even hurt.

He was on the ground for like 1 panel and was back up immidiately to destroy the rest of the disks

Originally posted by Mindship
Surfer has taken full-power hits from Hulk and barely winced. Weakened hulk. Another time savage hulk pushed his shit in simultaneously with namor. He was nearly killed by four hits. Wonder woman has taken blasts from Nekron, took punches from Godwave Rama and blasts from Shattered God without nearly dying. Doesn't mean much. He was weakened and got his power back before he beat abomination. Abomination is a jobber though, people like wonder man has beaten him and namor beat him too. Oh she can knock him out. Its not going to be easy but she would.

I am laughing that someone would point surfer's h2h skills against WONDER WOMAN. Sure his durability is impressive but his h2h skills? Don't make me laugh.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
He was on the ground for like 1 panel and was back up immidiately to destroy the rest of the disks
This is as false as surfer almost getting killed.Originally posted by Branlor Swift
They destroy the control disc

Surfer is on his knees thanking Hulk

Hulk smashes Surfer who was depowered like three times (worm hole, the planet, and the control disc though it just got brokeded)

Surfer gets up like nothing happened a page or so later. Knock out, sure, almost kill, no.
Surfer getting his powers drained and getting knocked out while hulk remains conscious after passing through that same portal only proves just how superior hulk is compared to surfer.

uhuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer getting his powers drained and getting knocked out while hulk remains conscious after passing through that same portal only proves just how superior hulk is compared to surfer.

uhuh It only makes sense if it was sapping just cosmic energy.

For anything.

Because that Surfer still was kicking the shit out of Hulk

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It only makes sense if it was sapping just cosmic energy.

For anything.

Because that Surfer still was kicking the shit out of Hulk
It was sapping life energy not cosmic energy.

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Hulk didn't want to fight surfer at first and when he did, he KTFO him while still weakened by control disc while surfer was freed from control disc.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is as false as surfer almost getting killed.


uhuh

Your right, maybe 2 panels showed surfer on the ground but he was back up fast to destroy those discs. Doesn't matter anyway because he was weakened.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was sapping all kind of energies.

Hulk didn't want to fight surfer at first and when he did, he KTFO him while still weakened by control disc while surfer was freed from control disc. And a wormhole that saps energy from Surfer worse than that Hulk doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, that's certainly how it happened.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Your right, maybe 2 panels showed surfer on the ground but he was back up fast to destroy those discs. Doesn't matter anyway because he was weakened.
He was KTFO. End of discussion. Hulk was more weakened than surfer at that point seeing how he still had his control disc controlling his power while surfer didn't.Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And a wormhole that saps energy from Surfer worse than that Hulk doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, that's certainly how it happened.
Not the first time it happened.

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Yeah, that's how it happened. Hulk broke Surfer's control disc and then tore him a new hole in just a few punches while weakened.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Yeah, that's how it happened. Hulk broke Surfer's control disc and then tore him a new hole in just a few punches while weakened. context

Stop trolling

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
context

Stop trolling
What context? "We took surfer by surprise" or that the star-wheel was powered by surfer's power cosmic? The remaining defenders were as surprised by their energies sapped BTW.

Trolling?

SS stopped fighting...

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was KTFO. End of discussion. Hulk was more weakened than surfer at that point seeing how he still had his control disc controlling his power while surfer didn't.
.

2 panels. I have the books buddy. Even in all this, the fact remains at the end of the day, surfer was cheapshotted. While weakened. No two ways about that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What context? "We took surfer by surprise" or that the star-wheel was powered by surfer's power cosmic? The remaining defenders were as surprised by their energies sapped BTW.

Trolling? Show Surfer getting drained please.

Bringing up low showings not relevant to my post and only relevant to Hulk. How do the low showings change that Surfer was being weakened by 3 different sources in his fight against Hulk?
Ignoring the fact that Surfer was on his knees thanking Hulk at the time.

Yes, act shocked.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Hulk didn't want to fight surfer at first and when he did, he KTFO him while still weakened by control disc while surfer was freed from control disc.

This is your interpretation of the fight?

Yeah, that's why after Hulk and his friends got tossed around by Surfer, Hiroim told Hulk that if Surfer got in another shot, they'd all be dead.

Hmm, I wonder why Hulk and his warbound had to resort to destroying the disc....Could it be that if they didn't, Surfer would...I don't know...continue beating them up?

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http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/1755063-1749231_incrediblehulk95_013_super_super.jpg <---- "give him another pass and we're dead"
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/1755064-1749233_incrediblehulk95_014_super_super.jpg <---- Surfer stops fighting and thanks Hulk.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/1755065-1749236_incrediblehulk95_015_super_super.jpg <---- Hulk attacks Surfer while Surfer was in the middle of thanking him.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
2 panels. I have the books buddy. Even in all this, the fact remains at the end of the day, surfer was cheapshotted. While weakened. No two ways about that.
He was koed, I don't know why that's so hard to accept. Surfer was punched while he was talking to hulk. If we are taking that as cheapshots then there would be a lot of cheapshots like surfer cheapshotting hulk at the start of the fight.Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Show Surfer getting drained please.

Bringing up low showings not relevant to my post and only relevant to Hulk. How do the low showings change that Surfer was being weakened by 3 different sources in his fight against Hulk?
Ignoring the fact that Surfer was on his knees thanking Hulk at the time.

Yes, act shocked.
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/0d20a28cc8

Low showings? You mean every time surfer gets koed its low showing? Hulk was as much weakened as surfer, even more than him since his control disc was still in place while surfer's was broken. Yeah and surfer cheapshotted hulk if we're using that as a cheapshot.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsSilverSurfer27v295.jpg

Yeah, that's not a cheapshot.

Acting shocked?

Originally posted by vince_slice
This is your interpretation of the fight?

Yeah, that's why after Hulk and his friends got tossed around by Surfer, Hiroim told Hulk that if Surfer got in another shot, they'd all be dead.

Hmm, I wonder why Hulk and his warbound had to resort to destroying the disc....Could it be that if they didn't, Surfer would...I don't know...continue beating them up?

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http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/1755063-1749231_incrediblehulk95_013_super_super.jpg <---- "give him another pass and we're dead"
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/1755064-1749233_incrediblehulk95_014_super_super.jpg <---- Surfer stops fighting and thanks Hulk.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/1755065-1749236_incrediblehulk95_015_super_super.jpg <---- Hulk attacks Surfer while Surfer was in the middle of thanking him.

So hulk punching surfer while he was talking to hulk is a cheapshot but surfer attacking hulk while he is talking to surfer isn't a cheapshot? Typical surfer fanboyism.

Yeah hulk knocked out a more powerful surfer than which he was getting tossed around since control disc was destroyed. This was also a weaker than baseline hulk who couldn't get stronger with anger due to control disc. Hiroim wasn't an expert on either hulk or surfer. Thank you for your input

Originally posted by abhilegend
So hulk punching surfer while he was talking to hulk is a cheapshot but surfer attacking hulk while he is talking to surfer isn't a cheapshot? Typical surfer fanboyism.

Yeah hulk knocked out a more powerful surfer than which he was getting tossed around since control disc was destroyed. This was also a weaker than baseline hulk who couldn't get stronger with anger due to control disc. Hiroim wasn't an expert on either hulk or surfer. Thank you for your input

The control disc was weakening Surfer, so according to you, Hulk and Hiroim decide to destroy it, in order to....make Surfer stronger? Then try to "beat" him?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
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Low showings? You mean every time surfer gets koed its low showing? Hulk was as much weakened as surfer, even more than him since his control disc was still in place while surfer's was broken. Yeah and surfer cheapshotted hulk if we're using that as a cheapshot.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsSilverSurfer27v295.jpg

Yeah, that's not a cheapshot.

Acting shocked?

That is Surfer already done. I want you to show me what took Surfer out, on panel please.

Sure, that's what I said. Because this was clearly meant to not diminish Surfer
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer getting his powers drained and getting knocked out while hulk remains conscious after passing through that same portal only proves just how superior hulk is compared to surfer.

uhuh

The disc just came off... clearly Surfer returned to full strength immediately...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IncredibleHulk95-022.jpg
Or not

I never said it was a cheapshot, I said Surfer was on his knees, not fighting, and thanking Hulk.

There ya go again

In Planet Hulk, Surfer was weakened and had stopped fighting.

That was the reason Hulk knocked him down. So, that really doesn't count. At all.

Before that, he was kicking the crap out of those jabronis.

Originally posted by vince_slice
The control disc was weakening Surfer, so according to you, Hulk and Hiroim decide to destroy it, in order to....make Surfer stronger? Then try to "beat" him?

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You got that right. They tried to free him from control, "hulk beating the shit out of him" wasn't in hiroim's plan.Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That is Surfer already done. I want you to show me what took Surfer out, on panel please. That was all that's shown of surfer's travel through the portal. Obviously he got knocked out passing through that portal, the locals were surprised that hulk was still at his feet after passing through the portal because nobody had done it before. But that's obviously not enough proof for you. Obviously surfer waking in chains and already in control via control disk means he had battled local like hulk, isn't it?

Being less powerful than Pak's hulk isn't something to be ashamed about.



I didn't say he was fully powered but he wasn't weakened by that control disc while hulk was still weakened by the control disc. Yeah, the portal weakened him and hulk similarly at that point. What's the point of telling something we already know? The planet didn't weaken him, that was never shown. It was just that portal.

Similarly surfer attacked hulk while he was talking both time to surfer. You wouldn't find anyone saying surfer cheapshotted hulk though. He clearly beat the shit out of hulk and warbound. Never mind that hulk was just fine after both attacks and beating weakened warbound shouldn't impress anyone. When hulk really attacked surfer, he KTFO surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Obviously he got knocked out passing through that portal, the locals were surprised that hulk was still at his feet after passing through the portal because nobody had done it before. But that's obviously not enough proof for you. Obviously surfer waking in chains and already in control via control disk means he had battled local like hulk, isn't it?

Being less powerful than Pak's hulk isn't something to be ashamed about. And that happened in the Defender series?

Which is relevant to nothing

Originally posted by abhilegend
I didn't say he was fully powered but he wasn't weakened by that control disc while hulk was still weakened by the control disc. Yeah, the portal weakened him and hulk similarly at that point. What's the point of telling something we already know? The planet didn't weaken him, that was never shown. It was just that portal.

Similarly surfer attacked hulk while he was talking both time to surfer. You wouldn't find anyone saying surfer cheapshotted hulk though. He clearly beat the shit out of hulk and warbound. Never mind that hulk was just fine after both attacks and beating weakened warbound shouldn't impress anyone. When hulk really attacked surfer, he KTFO surfer. The control disc cut him off from the power cosmic. It's not going to return in a couple seconds to make a difference.
Surfer was cut off from his power source, and was weakened by the portal. I wasn't aware Hulk was cut off from his power source.

You argue with Surfer over that one.

Surfer was talking, then attacked.
You just said Surfer cheapshotted Hulk.
Yes.
No.
Surfer was on his knees thanking Hulk, again. Not fighting back.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And that happened in the Defender series? Hulk powered through the energy drain while surfer couldn't.

You asked for it saying it didn't make any sense.

No, it regulated his power cosmic and prevented him from using his power cosmic. Surfer says it outright in your scan. Apparently it did.
No, the control disc prevented surfer from using power cosmic and hulk from amping himself by getting angry. Neither was surfer.

Yup.

He said one word and attacked.

No.
He just didn't got time to retaliate hulk pounded on him so fast and KTFO him while he was staring towards hulk. That's not a cheapshot at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk powered through the energy drain while surfer couldn't.

You asked for it saying it didn't make any sense.

No, it regulated his power cosmic and prevented him from using his power cosmic. Surfer says it outright in your scan. Apparently it did.
No, the control disc prevented surfer from using power cosmic and hulk from amping himself by getting angry. Neither was surfer.

Yup.

He said one word and attacked.

No.
He just didn't got time to retaliate hulk pounded on him so fast and KTFO him while he was staring towards hulk. That's not a cheapshot at all. I asked for a scan showing Surfer getting taken out.

...
You said that first.

So... what you're saying to me is that... he was cut off?

Yup, cut off. Weakened, and the control disc just came off.

"vulnerable as never before"
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You said Hulk was talking though when Surfer attacked.

He didn't have time to retaliate because he was busy thanking Hulk at the time.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I asked for a scan showing Surfer getting taken out.

...
You said that first.

So... what you're saying to me is that... he was cut off?

Yup, cut off. Weakened, and the control disc just came off.

"vulnerable as never before"
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You said Hulk was talking though when Surfer attacked.

He didn't have time to retaliate because he was busy thanking Hulk at the time.
Yeah and I said he wakes and he's already in chains and controlled by control disc. That in your world means he fought a valiant fight but got taken out, right? Unfortunately, surfer didn't indicate he was awake any time before he was woke up already chained.

Who said what?




Not cut off. Prevented from using power cosmic. Just like red sun rays now prevent superman from using his powers by freezing the powers in his body and before they drained him of power. I don't know where you got the idea it cut him off from his powers. Under pak when that happened, he reverted to ol' Norrin Radd.

He was clearly wrong, Dynamo City comes to mind. Also that's why surfer's a huge pussy, green scar took the same portal like a champ.

That's what happened, surfer cut him in the middle and suddenly attacked the first time and then second time when hulk said he though he was better than others.

No, he was too busy getting KTFO.

Surfer was still cheapshotted. Lol hulk was just mad and attacked for no other reason than he'd been getting his ass handed to him up till then. There's really no way to spin the fight in any kind of positive light towards the hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah and I said he wakes and he's already in chains and controlled by control disc. That in your world means he fought a valiant fight but got taken out, right? Unfortunately, surfer didn't indicate he was awake any time before he was woke up already chained.

Who said what?




Not cut off. Prevented from using power cosmic. Just like red sun rays now prevent superman from using his powers by freezing the powers in his body and before they drained him of power. I don't know where you got the idea it cut him off from his powers. Under pak when that happened, he reverted to ol' Norrin Radd.

He was clearly wrong, Dynamo City comes to mind. Also that's why surfer's a huge pussy, green scar took the same portal like a champ.

That's what happened, surfer cut him in the middle and suddenly attacked the first time and then second time when hulk said he though he was better than others.

No, he was too busy getting KTFO. And that happened in the Defenders?
We can go round and round in circles until you stop dodging it.

I said it didn't make sense after you brought up Hulk being more powerful. You said you said Hulk was stronger after I said it didn't make sense. It wasn't the right sequence. You were suer wrong. Go back and check it out

So what you're saying is... Surfer was cut off from the power cosmic?

Yeah, Surfer was wrong. Never and all that jazz.
Surfer's a huge pussy... it's a good thing you weren't trying to lowball Surfer right?

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But Surfer attacked after Surfer was done talking. That makes it literally impossible for him to have attacked when Hulk was talking.

Thanking Hulk actually.

You realize that not even Carver lowballs the other character in every thread right? Hell, you lowballed to make Hulk look better... I don't get the point of that, but going back to Carver, he probably liked it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And that happened in the Defenders? Surfer was caught by surprise off-panel.
Who's dodging? Certainly not me.

This doesn't even made any sense. Are you alright bran?

Initially yes, not after hulk destroyed the disk. Also that disk preventing surfer from using PC didn't lower his durability.

Glad you agree.
Not at all.


Talking one word after which hulk was clearly surprised that surfer would attack him. This again made no sense.

Staring at hulk.

So saying hulk koed surfer is lowballing? Its not like I'm using bricks or lasers. Why are surfer fans so sensitive? I didn't lowball anyone, I presented facts as they are. You don't like them, sue pak.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Surfer was still cheapshotted. No. Maybe you read a different fight than the rest of us. orly

Originally posted by abhilegend
People are seriously giving surfer the win over a wonder woman who is 10 times stronger, has a sword to cut him to pieces, magical shield, sandals of hermes which augments her already superior combat speed and a lot of other trinkets? BTW diana can travel between dimensions with sandals of hermes, BFR is useless. Seriously she would oneshot him.

If she does have the sandals to prevent BFR, then she wins. BFR is the only way I could see Surfer taking down an amped WW.

Lol smh at the blatantly moronic but predictable surfer trolling.
Anyhow WW wins the first fight and loses the second.

Well hello to you too naija. Pray tell me how does surfer beats diana in second fight.

1 ww

2 Ss the PC would be two much yea her shields will block a head on attack but then he can just fly up and from space turn the planet she on into jelly Or better yet since she is a broad turn her and the planet into a giant flower

1. Diana
2. Surfer

Originally posted by mighty adam
1 ww

2 Ss the PC would be two much yea her shields will block a head on attack but then he can just fly up and from space turn the planet she on into jelly Or better yet since she is a broad turn her and the planet into a giant flower
I see the imagination of people is running wild.

mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer was caught by surprise off-panel.
Who's dodging? Certainly not me.

This doesn't even made any sense. Are you alright bran?

Initially yes, not after hulk destroyed the disk. Also that disk preventing surfer from using PC didn't lower his durability.

Glad you agree.
Not at all.


Talking one word after which hulk was clearly surprised that surfer would attack him. This again made no sense.

Staring at hulk.

So saying hulk koed surfer is lowballing? Its not like I'm using bricks or lasers. Why are surfer fans so sensitive? I didn't lowball anyone, I presented facts as they are. You don't like them, sue pak. And we don't know the circumstances. The guy was chained up.
Plus, with Surfer, he'd have to use blasts to get out which would feed it even more, and weaken him even more. Hulk just has to be a retard and hit it. Not really the same.

I'll explain it again. You said Hulk was more powerful in your first response to me. Which isn't relevant to anything. Then you confused the sequence by saying I asked for it by saying "Surfer getting drained faster didn't make sense".
You got the order confused.

Yes it did... it also lowered his physical stats
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I DON'T AGREE YOU SCALLYWAG

Oh you

So... what you're saying here is that Hulk wasn't talking when Surfer smashed his face?

Thanking Hulk

Well, blatantly ignoring things, and bringing up two feats where he was done that Hulk resisted in a thread where neither Hulk is in it, nor does the other character have the ability to absorb things... Like, I mean you brought one up just because I explained the Hulk vs Savage fight

Pak even said Hulk used dirty tactics to win.
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Pak also didn't bring up two low feats for no reason at all.

Let me tell you a story about a guy who hated everything and threw it all behind for a cause he believed in. His name was Anakin. Anakin Skywalker.
You keep treading down this path and you'll turn fully to the darkside, and possibly get cut in half.

Originally posted by mighty adam
1 ww

2 Ss the PC would be two much yea her shields will block a head on attack but then he can just fly up and from space turn the planet she on into jelly Or better yet since she is a broad turn her and the planet into a giant flower

Surfer should turn the ocean upside down so all the whales fall on her

Originally posted by abhilegend
No. Maybe you read a different fight than the rest of us. orly

The rest of us? In case you haven't noticed, your alone on this stance

Originally posted by Branlor Swift


Surfer should turn the ocean upside down so all the whales fall on her or strip her naked and command her to bend over. WW barefoot and pregnant with Ss child that will be a good what if or cross over

...

Whatever tickles your fancy

...What.

But how would that happen if SS don't have a dingy?

Originally posted by lawest9
But how would that happen if SS don't have a dingy? she is a evil whore I can see her cuttin the mans Johnson off

So you hate Wonder Woman, then... All right.

Originally posted by lawest9
But how would that happen if SS don't have a dingy?

the board isn't just for flying

Originally posted by -Pr-
So you hate Wonder Woman, then... All right. a lil but she just need better stories

Originally posted by Raisen
the board isn't just for flying yup hell have her on her back on a nice flat surface.

... Jesus

WW in both

Topic... Please?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And we don't know the circumstances. True. That would be the silliest excuse I've ever heard. Go on.


I was wrong, this is the silliest excuse I've heard. Are you all right bran? Surfer can't use the blasts, because that would backfire on him. You apparently forgot that the starwheel rebounded Namor's strength and Strange's magic too. But apparently surfer's chains made all the difference.

Which was followed by a smilie. C'mon bran. Who'd have thought of that? OK and that means what exactly?
Ok.



We already know that. He was weakened but thanks for providing the proof that he was KTFO travelling through the portal unlike green scar who got up and whooped some ass. Also it says the same thing I said, the disc only prevented surfer from using the power cosmic. He wasn't cut off from the power cosmic like surfer fanboys claim. Thanks for the effort.


You are getting pretty desperate.



He wasn't expecting surfer to attack him, just like surfer wasn't. Simple.

Greeting surfer.

You are the one who used Planet Hulk first.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
They destroy the control disc

Surfer is on his knees thanking Hulk

Hulk smashes Surfer who was depowered like three times (worm hole, the planet, and the control disc though it just got brokeded)

Surfer gets up like nothing happened a page or so later. Knock out, sure, almost kill, no.

I just responded to it

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is as false as surfer almost getting killed.
Surfer getting his powers drained and getting knocked out while hulk remains conscious after passing through that same portal only proves just how superior hulk is compared to surfer.

uhuh

I never even used planet hulk as an example of diana knocking out hulk, I was just correcting you.
I'm not using this as an example in Wonder Woman/Surfer fight.

Hulk used dirty tactics i.e attacking him while he was not looking to destroy control disc. He straight up pummeled surfer to KO. You are even more desperate than I thought.
Two low feats? Oh I forgot everytime surfer gets KOED, its a low showing.



We'll see bran, we'll see.

1. Wonder Woman.
2. Wonder Woman most of the time beats his ass.

Lol, I'm getting dizzy from all the spinning in this thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
True. That would be the silliest excuse I've ever heard. Go on.


I was wrong, this is the silliest excuse I've heard. Are you all right bran? Surfer can't use the blasts, because that would backfire on him. You apparently forgot that the starwheel rebounded Namor's strength and Strange's magic too. But apparently surfer's chains made all the difference.

Which was followed by a smilie. C'mon bran. Who'd have thought of that? OK and that means what exactly?
Ok.



We already know that. He was weakened but thanks for providing the proof that he was KTFO travelling through the portal unlike green scar who got up and whooped some ass. Also it says the same thing I said, the disc only prevented surfer from using the power cosmic. He wasn't cut off from the power cosmic like surfer fanboys claim. Thanks for the effort.


You are getting pretty desperate.



He wasn't expecting surfer to attack him, just like surfer wasn't. Simple.

Greeting surfer.

You are the one who used Planet Hulk first.


I just responded to it



I never even used planet hulk as an example of diana knocking out hulk, I was just correcting you.
I'm not using this as an example in Wonder Woman/Surfer fight.

Hulk used dirty tactics i.e attacking him while he was not looking to destroy control disc. He straight up pummeled surfer to KO. You are even more desperate than I thought.
Two low feats? Oh I forgot everytime surfer gets KOED, its a low showing.



We'll see bran, we'll see. It's not an excuse. It just shows that a decent amount of context is missing if the guy is only shown with chains on. Did they take him out with the bubble, take him out of the bubble to put chains on, and then put him back in? Or did they take him out with something else?
Unless we're assuming Surfer was put in the bubble when he had chains on...

So Surfer would be wise to use blasts which have weakened him more than once (without being drained) on a thing that's draining him? Let's put this in simpler terms;
Assuming the power is exactly equal, who would you put money on to get out of a draining machine using power first?
The guy with virtually unlimited stamina, or the guy who gets weakened by using blasts?

That you got the order confused, and then said I've lost my mind.
You can try to be me all you want, at least do it right.

It says his skin was able to get pierced due to him being weakened, IE lowered durability.
So, what you're saying is that Surfer was cut off?

Desperate... We're talking about low feats between Hulk and Surfer in a Surfer vs WW thread because of you...

So... Hulk wasn't talking when Surfer attacked like you said?

Thanking Hulk.

I never brought up Planet Hulk. I explained to someone what happened.

How in any world did you correct me? What does Hulk resisting the portal have to do with what I said?

So what purpose did Hulk resisting the wormhole have to do with anything stated?

This must be a serious topic because I'm pretty desperate.
"Silver Savage eventually succumbed to the Green Scar's dirty tactics and was..."
The instances were seperated in that sentence.

So what was the purpose of bringing them up if they weren't low feats?
One was brought up to show that Surfer is inferior to Hulk, and the other was brought up in response to that...

Although I have a question for you. Where was Hulk stated to not be able to amp his strength?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Wonder Woman.
2. Wonder Woman most of the time beats his ass.

Lol, I'm getting dizzy from all the spinning in this thread. Pretty much.

If you try to explain something in a complete non partisan way, expect a low feat in response.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's not an excuse. It just shows that a decent amount of context is missing if the guy is only shown with chains on. Oh you, he was taken out the same way as others by being drained of his energy.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_Defendersv2008-08.jpg

Surely you knew that.

See for yourself.
You are just spouting nonsense now.

So, surfer gets weakened every time he uses an energy blast? You learn new things every day. Remind me how many times this has happened?
Hulk has never been drained of energy then? Surely the guy with infinite stamina can resist being drained, right?

You don't even know what you are talking about at this point.

Like I said, we already know that he was weakened by that portal. What's the point of repeating all this? Hulk's durability was also decreased by that portal FYI.
You can repeat that a hundred times more and that wouldn't be true. When hulk broke the disc, surfer was given the power cosmic instantly because it wasn't cut off from him, just prevented.

No because of you, I've no problem with this showing and I wasn't even using this showing in my examples. But apparently hulk knocking out surfer is un-acceptable to you and all the surfer fanboys.

I said, hulk was as surprised if not more than surfer when surfer attacked him than vice-versa. You can cling to that one sentence for all its worth and it wouldn't help you.

Greeting surfer.

Neither did I. I explained it to you.

Hulk was more depowered compared to surfer? Surfer was depowered by the portal when hulk knocked him out, hulk was depowered by both portal and the control disc.

Absolutely nothing of course in this fight.

Apparently it is for you.

Fixed. It only suggests that hulk used dirty tactics to free surfer from the disk, which he did. Punching someone in the face isn't a dirty trick.
So everything that denotes surfer isn't more powerful than everybody else is a ow showing?
Not an example for this thread. I'm just discussing it with you about surfer's performance against the hulk.

The control disc prevented that. It was explained just after they put it on him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh you, he was taken out the same way as others by being drained of his energy.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_Defendersv2008-08.jpg

Surely you knew that.

See for yourself.
You are just spouting nonsense now.

So, surfer gets weakened every time he uses an energy blast? You learn new things every day. Remind me how many times this has happened?
Hulk has never been drained of energy then? Surely the guy with infinite stamina can resist being drained, right?

You don't even know what you are talking about at this point.

Like I said, we already know that he was weakened by that portal. What's the point of repeating all this? Hulk's durability was also decreased by that portal FYI.
You can repeat that a hundred times more and that wouldn't be true. When hulk broke the disc, surfer was given the power cosmic instantly because it wasn't cut off from him, just prevented.

No because of you, I've no problem with this showing and I wasn't even using this showing in my examples. But apparently hulk knocking out surfer is un-acceptable to you and all the surfer fanboys.

I said, hulk was as surprised if not more than surfer when surfer attacked him than vice-versa. You can cling to that one sentence for all its worth and it wouldn't help you.

Greeting surfer.

Neither did I. I explained it to you.

Hulk was more depowered compared to surfer? Surfer was depowered by the portal when hulk knocked him out, hulk was depowered by both portal and the control disc.

Absolutely nothing of course in this fight.

Apparently it is for you.

Fixed. It only suggests that hulk used dirty tactics to free surfer from the disk, which he did. Punching someone in the face isn't a dirty trick.
So everything that denotes surfer isn't more powerful than everybody else is a ow showing?
Not an example for this thread. I'm just discussing it with you about surfer's performance against the hulk.

The control disc prevented that. It was explained just after they put it on him. So, Surfer wasn't even in the bubble and then got blasted? Cool
Knew there was something fishy about that.

I never said he got weakened everytime. I said he's been weakened by going dick out.

You never answered the question

You already admitted you were wrong, so I don't know what I'm talking about I guess

You said his durability wasn't lowered though (by the disc). But his durability was lowered by the portal, so either way, his durability was lower.

So... if I'm reading this correctly, you're saying he was cut off?

Of course you don't have a problem, it's being used as a low feat in your case
Also, it's not the feat I had a problem with, it was your blatant misinterpretation

I just find it funny you can't admit you were wrong, but instead have to argue about it
Either way, Hulk wasn't talking when Surfer attacked

Greeting Surfer doesn't even make sense

Your explanation was just talking about the portal...

So... how in the world did Hulk resisting the portal have anything to do with what I said. You didn't start by saying "Hulk had the control disc", you started by saying Hulk resisted the portal when I was explaining what happened.

So you were trolling? Good to get an admittance.

You're taking the time out to "disect" every post because I said you were trolling... yes, I'm completely serious here

You didn't answer the question (although you already admitted to trolling).
What is the purpose of bringing up Hulk resisting the portal and bubble in this thread?

You were just trolling. No discussion, I laughed it off, and you continued trying to troll.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, Surfer wasn't even in the bubble and then got blasted? Cool
Knew there was something fishy about that. He was drained by the same machine and was getting drained even at the moment when hulk overpowered the machine.

Mention a few examples then.

I learned from the best, namely you.

Really? Where did this acceptance happened BTW?

It wasn't. I never said otherwise, I already said both hulk and surfer were weakened by that portal.

Nope, about 100 times more to go though.

I never even used this feat here as an example. Get that straight to your thick head.
What misinterpretation?

I admit when I'm wrong, here is not the case though.
That's not even the point. You can copy/paste that as many times you want.

Yeah, "He's the silver surfer. He's my......." was a war-cry.


That was the only thing that was weakening surfer when hulk knocked him out.

Simple, hulk survived the portal, surfer didn't. Hulk>Surfer.

I'm talking to you about Planet hulk. It has nothing to do with this fight. Also a big lulz @your feeble attempt.



No, its just fun so I did it.

Nope, try again.
Just correcting you of course.


You obviously didn't laugh it off if you are here discussing it with me.

Can't post atm. My laptop crashed again. I would ask to some hulk fanboys.

Just agree to disagree at this point. This happens everytime we argue.

Diana loses this

WW 6/10

WW will be doing alot of face sitting on this match. Ss will be a happy boy.

LMAO at the troll arguing that the Hulk > the Surfer. He obviously hasn't read many of their one-on-one battles. Trolls are so pathetic.

Originally posted by Dampyre
LMAO at the troll arguing that the Hulk > the Surfer. He obviously hasn't read many of their one-on-one battles. Trolls are so pathetic.
Another surfer fanboy calling names? Who'd have thought of that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Another surfer fanboy calling names? Who'd have thought of that?

The Surfer is like 3-1-1 against the Hulk. You have to call a spade a spade.

And you are a Superman fanboy of the highest order so I wouldn't talk if I were you.

On topic, I don't see how the Surfer wins a majority in either scenario. He's basically a very durable punching bag in the first scenario.

In the second scenario, if Wonder Woman's strength really is boosted by a factor of ten along with everythign else, I don't see anyone in the herald class beating her.

Originally posted by Dampyre
On topic, I don't see how the Surfer wins a majority in either scenario. He's basically a very durable punching bag in the first scenario.

In the second scenario, if Wonder Woman's strength really is boosted by a factor of ten along with everythign else, I don't see anyone in the herald class beating her. I remember you as a Surfer fanboy from herochat.

The fact that you say this, says quite a bit about this forum.

Originally posted by Dampyre
The only Surfer fanboy back on Herochat was Alice and no one really took him that seriously. Alice was here too, under the name Janus. I know him. The same way I know you - nowhere near that level of fanboy, of course (it's hard to beat Alice, who was so bad he started parodying himself), but still one.

Originally posted by Dampyre
The Surfer is like 3-1-1 against the Hulk. You have to call a spade a spade.

And you are a Superman fanboy of the highest order so I wouldn't talk if I were you.
He was shown superior to surfer under pak. The continuity can go **** itself under pak.

You're the one who attacked me for no reason, so I can and will call you out too.

Originally posted by Dampyre
And you are a Superman fanboy of the highest order so I wouldn't talk if I were you.
While this is true...
You gotta respect abhi's knowledge on comics all around.
And he always has a reason for giving supes the win, and shows evidence to support it
Abhi knows his stuff.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was drained by the same machine and was getting drained even at the moment when hulk overpowered the machine.

Mention a few examples then.

I learned from the best, namely you.

Really? Where did this acceptance happened BTW?

It wasn't. I never said otherwise, I already said both hulk and surfer were weakened by that portal.

Nope, about 100 times more to go though.

I never even used this feat here as an example. Get that straight to your thick head.
What misinterpretation?

I admit when I'm wrong, here is not the case though.
That's not even the point. You can copy/paste that as many times you want.

Yeah, "He's the silver surfer. He's my......." was a war-cry.


That was the only thing that was weakening surfer when hulk knocked him out.

Simple, hulk survived the portal, surfer didn't. Hulk>Surfer.

I'm talking to you about Planet hulk. It has nothing to do with this fight. Also a big lulz @your feeble attempt.



No, its just fun so I did it.

Nope, try again.
Just correcting you of course.


You obviously didn't laugh it off if you are here discussing it with me.

Can't post atm. My laptop crashed again. I would ask to some hulk fanboys.

Just agree to disagree at this point. This happens everytime we argue. Well, since this isn't answering anything anymore, let's try something different.

Don't count on it, slimeball!

I've got a bad feeling about this.

You love me? I thought we had decided not to fall in love. That we'd be forced to live a lie and that it would destroy our lives.

What are you talking about?

You will try.

Are you all right? You're trembling. What's going on?

Don't be afraid.

Apparently not.

Yes, the one we've been looking for.

Don't make me kill you.

What has that got to do with anything?

Who hired you? Tell us

I was about to say that.

I HATE YOU!

When I got to them we got into aggressive negotiations.

Now THIS is podracing!

Oh don't worry, I've given up trying to argue with you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was shown superior to surfer under pak. The continuity can go **** itself under pak.

You're the one who attacked me for no reason, so I can and will call you out too.

Call me out on what? I've told no lies. Even Pak had the Surfer tooling the Hulk and his Warbound until they broke the control disk. The Surfer stops fighting and allows the Hulk to pound him into unconsciousness for a bit. Then he gets up, casually frees everyone and goes away.

The fact remains, that in the vast majority of their battles, the Surfer has had the Hulk's number. The funny thing is that Pak didn't really do much to change that.

So how is all of this on topic?

Originally posted by armedforbattle
While this is true...
You gotta respect abhi's knowledge on comics all around.
And he always has a reason for giving supes the win, and shows evidence to support it
Abhi knows his stuff.

Maybe, but he has a rather obvious bias against the Surfer for some reason.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Maybe, but he has a rather obvious bias against the Surfer for some reason.
Because in most peoples eyes

Surfer > Superman

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well, since this isn't answering anything anymore, let's try something different.

Don't count on it, slimeball!

I've got a bad feeling about this.

You love me? I thought we had decided not to fall in love. That we'd be forced to live a lie and that it would destroy our lives.

What are you talking about?

You will try.

Are you all right? You're trembling. What's going on?

Don't be afraid.

Apparently not.

Yes, the one we've been looking for.

Don't make me kill you.

What has that got to do with anything?

Who hired you? Tell us

I was about to say that.

I HATE YOU!

When I got to them we got into aggressive negotiations.

Now THIS is podracing!

Oh don't worry, I've given up trying to argue with you.
Originally posted by Dampyre
Call me out on what? I've told no lies. Even Pak had the Surfer tooling the Hulk and his Warbound until they broke the control disk. The Surfer stops fighting and allows the Hulk to pound him into unconsciousness for a bit. Then he gets up, casually frees everyone and goes away.

The fact remains, that in the vast majority of their battles, the Surfer has had the Hulk's number. The funny thing is that Pak didn't really do much to change that.
The attack on me for no reason at all? Pak had surfer tooling hulk? That's just the usual lies surfer fanboys spout, tell me being surprised at surfer's attacks and then knocking out a more powerful surfer means surfer was tooling hulk? What kind of logic is that? Surfer didn't allow squat, you are just showing your fanboyism here.

He nearly always has hulk's number in general combat? Other than TTA 92-93, that isn't the case at all if not for energy absorption and hulk was heavily susceptible to that back in the day. Hulk was weakened and dying in SS 125 and surfer was amped with several gamma bombs when he wrestled with hulk in IH 250. Here surfer shows he has hulk's number again, right?

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