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Sue's powers are derived from Hyperspace:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15209430/2.jpg.html

That is why she was able to damage, and ultimately destroy, Exitar:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15209433/3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15209436/4.jpg.html
ie. Hyperspace powers=Celestial Kryptonite.

The above weakness also seemed to carry over to the Mad Celestials--- hence the reason one of Sue's basic constructs flayed one like a hot knife through butter:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15209440/5.jpg.html

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All of that being said, Hyperstorm's powers stem directly from Hyperspace:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15209427_1.jpg

He should win by virtue of being powered by the only known weakness Celestials have.

^
Pretty much.
That just about sums it up.

Without the weakness he'd have his anus porked bad though

Originally posted by Galan007
Sue's powers are derived from Hyperspace:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15209430/2.jpg.html

That is why she was able to damage, and ultimately destroy, Exitar:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15209433/3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15209436/4.jpg.html
ie. Hyperspace powers=Celestial Kryptonite.

The above weakness also seemed to carry over to the Mad Celestials--- hence the reason one of Sue's basic constructs flayed one like a hot knife through butter:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15209440/5.jpg.html

---

All of that being said, Hyperstorm's powers stem directly from Hyperspace:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15209427_1.jpg

He should win by virtue of being powered by the only known weakness Celestials have. why the phuck do you always do this??? Shut off any possibility of a debate before it even starts. They should make a rule that galan can't post on any new threads until at least the 3rd page.

Celestials

Sue did what she did to an Exitar who was practically standing there like a brick wall, who for some reason didn't try to teleport her out of his brain or simply disintegrate her with a thought or some such sh1t like that. Sue's accomplishment depended on a great deal of circumstantial factors, brimming with PIS because Tom Defalco was a butthurt hack who wanted to "get back" at the Celestials for owning Odin and Thor. '

Her punk of a grandson isn't going to repeat the same feat against a bunch of hyperactive Celestials that violently reacted to every single poke and prod. The Mad Celestials win this in a devastatingly, spitetastic fashion.

Edit:
@Galan: Sue(along with everybody else) was nearly killed by the Mad Celestials, despite the hyperspace weakness sh1t. The Mad Celestials aren't Exitar, nor do Sue's feats carry over to Hyperstorm.

The whole hyperspace power is a bit bullshit though. Oh we can tap into hyperspace thus we can destroy the celestials, including the one thats 20,000 feet?

Arent celestials nigh omnipatents? Why wouldnt they know there own weaknesses? Why wouldnt they know that Sue's powers are into hyperspace?

Also why would her powers being locked into hyperspace be such a big deal? It's like Iceman having power over ice...........so does that automatically mean he can freeze the sun? Apparently he can, or will be able to since he's an Omega Mutant.

celestials

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Galan: Sue(along with everybody else) was nearly killed by the Mad Celestials, despite the hyperspace weakness sh1t. The Mad Celestials aren't Exitar, Yes, I realize that. However, since one of her basic constructs was more than sufficient to flay a Mad Celestial, I merely postulated that the hyperspace weakness seemed to carry over to alternate Celestials as well. Throw that same *blunt* construct at Galactus, for example, and I doubt that it would bust completely through him-- in fact, I doubt it would cause much damage at all. /shrug

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
nor do Sue's feats carry over to Hyperstorm. You're right. Given that Hyperstorm's control over his hyperspace powers was vastly greater than Sue's, he should be able to defeat a Celestial much easier than she did.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Without the weakness he'd have his anus porked bad though

Maybe he'd like his anus poked.

DONT BE JUDGING

Originally posted by Galan007
You're right. Given that Hyperstorm's control over his hyperspace powers was vastly greater than Sue's, he should be able to defeat a Celestial much easier than she did.


When Sue attacked Hyperstorm and alerted him to the fact that her powers also derive from hyperspace, he said that she was merely "scratching the surface" of her potential with her pressed effort.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/07e20c03-7a9a-4dd9-b3d8-e880c0005c5f_zps6df96fad.jpg

Originally posted by Sundipped

When Sue attacked Hyperstorm and alerted him to the fact that her powers also derive from hyperspace, he said that she was merely "scratching the surface" of her potential with her pressed effort.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/07e20c03-7a9a-4dd9-b3d8-e880c0005c5f_zps6df96fad.jpg

"The electromagnetic force which empowers mankind with electricity and magnetism... The strong nuclear force which stokes the stars... The gravitational force which shackles the galaxy... ALL of these various lines of energy emanate from Hyperspace! And I am ONE with Hyperspace!":
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15219249_1.jpg

Sue can use her hyperspace powers to... Make basic constructs and turn invisible(none)--- yet she was still able to destroy one of the most powerful Celestials in existence, just because she can tap hyperspace energies on a rudimentary level. Conversely, Hyperstorm was able to tap his hyperspace powa on an advanced level. Just saying.

^
Now everyone can see why Big G wanted to take Hyperstorm with him.
That's a 5 star meal right there.

Yeah, it was stated that Galactus would be able to feast on Hyperstorm's energies for all eternity:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15219257_5.jpg

...But G clearly didn't keep 'storm as a sustenance-slave for very long at all. He likely had to keep consuming planets because not doing would've interfered with his primal role/function, and thrown the cosmic consonance out of whack. I'd really like someone(preferably Hickman) to utilize Hyperstorm again, though. He could have been used much better than he was.

What's to keep them from one shotting him?

Before Sue was fatigued, her shield withstood a blast from one of the Celestials just fine:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219294/ff-15.jpg.html

Heck, even if Hyperstorm's shields are only as strong as Sue's(which low-balls 'storm tremendously, imo) all of the Celestials could attack him simultaneously and he'd still be fine:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219309/ff-17.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219311/ff-18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219312/ff-19.jpg.html

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, it was stated that Galactus would be able to feast on Hyperstorm's energies for all eternity:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15219257_5.jpg

...But G clearly didn't keep 'storm as a sustenance-slave for very long at all. He likely had to keep consuming planets because not doing would've interfered with his primal role/function, and thrown the cosmic consonance out of whack. I'd really like someone(preferably Hickman) to utilize Hyperstorm again, though. He could have been used much better than he was.

I can't recall if G has to consume only planets but if the opportunity arises, like in Mephistos realm, he won't hesitate to feed. It would take the "I must save the planet from hungry Galactus" theme out if he just resorted to only consuming hyperspace energies.

Yeah I'd like to see him brought back as well. But leave G out this time.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, I realize that. However, since one of her basic constructs was more than sufficient to flay a Mad Celestial, I merely postulated that the hyperspace weakness seemed to carry over to alternate Celestials as well. Throw that same *blunt* construct at Galactus, for example, and I doubt that it would bust completely through him-- in fact, I doubt it would cause much damage at all. /shrug

You're right. Given that Hyperstorm's control over his hyperspace powers was vastly greater than Sue's, he should be able to defeat a Celestial much easier than she did.


She busted it's arm for crying out loud. Which it regenerated on the next page. Plus, Galactus has been physically damaged(without having any explicit weakness mentioned) by Sue's constructs before(although he was pretty hungry in that instance):http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/13/138607/2701340-fantastic_four_391_21.jpg


Seeing how 2 nigh-omnipotent beings were incapable of defeating the Mad Celestials. Oh, and here's you agreeing that pone needs to be a universal power at minimum in order to beat the MCs.

Of, and here's Hickman backhandedly implying how Sue can bust Celestial armor under raw power. Not that it means anything, just throwing it out there:
http://www.formspring.me/JonathanHickman/q/382950922864584554

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
She busted it's arm for crying out loud. Which it regenerated on the next page. Plus, Galactus has been physically damaged(without having any explicit weakness mentioned) by Sue's constructs before(although he was pretty hungry in that instance):http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/13/138607/2701340-fantastic_four_391_21.jpg /facepalm

a.) That 'feat'(from F4 #391) occurred in an alternate timeline/universe, thus it was an alternate Galactus:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15219864_1.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15219868_2.jpg

b.) Galactus was VERY hungry at the time:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15219870_3.jpg

Clearly I wasn't using a hungry Galactus from an alternate universe in my analogy.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Oh, and here's you agreeing that pone needs to be a universal power at minimum in order to beat the MCs.

/facepalm x2.

If a being can channel the Celestials' exact weakness(ie. hyperspace) then they certainly do not have to be a universal power to win(even though Hyperstorm arguably was.) Sue proved that much when she destroyed Exitar. srsly

Drop Superman in a Kryptonite-lined room and I bet Lex Luthor can beat him to death, even though Lex is a regular human and cannot benchpress planet-weight for days on end. This is known as: "weakness exploitation"-- a weaker opponent can beat a stronger opponent by using their weakness(es) against them. This is a very easy concept to grasp.

Originally posted by Galan007
Before Sue was fatigued, her shield withstood a blast from one of the Celestials just fine:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219294/ff-15.jpg.html

Heck, even if Hyperstorm's shields are only as strong as Sue's(which low-balls 'storm tremendously, imo) all of the Celestials could attack him simultaneously and he'd still be fine:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219309/ff-17.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219311/ff-18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219312/ff-19.jpg.html

Oh man, I completely forgot about Sue and Ben withstand hits from Celestitals.

Lol, back in the day that attack would have one shotted Skyfathers.

I blame it on the hyperspace thing

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh man, I completely forgot about Sue and Ben withstand hits from Celestitals.

Lol, back in the day that attack would have one shotted Skyfathers.
Odin would LITERALLY blink the entire FF out of existence. How the mighty Celestials have fallen at the hands of the stupid c0cksuckers at Marvel.

Hyperstorm stomps.

Originally posted by zopzop
Odin would LITERALLY blink the entire FF out of existence. How the mighty Celestials have fallen at the hands of the stupid c0cksuckers at Marvel.

Hyperstorm stomps. Didn't Thor take multiple hits from the Celestials in the same story they obliterated the massively amped Destroyer armor with Odin's full power inside?

Arishem blasted Thor down before Thor threw the Odinsword into Arishem which had no effect

Arishem would've killed Thor if not for Gaea showing up

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Didn't Thor take multiple hits from the Celestials in the same story they obliterated the massively amped Destroyer armor with Odin's full power inside?
Yes, but it was shown that he was literally powerless against them. Nothing he did worked. They annihilated his entire pantheon then were about to crush him until mommy showed up.

What happened under Hickman's pen was an abomination. Phuck that guy.

Originally posted by guy222
Arishem blasted Thor down before Thor threw the Odinsword into Arishem which had no effect

Arishem would've killed Thor if not for Gaea showing up True.

I'm just saying that weak heroes will usually survive stuff like that.

Hell, the Celestials were damaging Franklin the next comic, and Eson hurt Galactus. They weren't weak, it was just low level heroes holding off that extra second.

zopzop seems upset.

Its just the writers

Heroes in the future have killed Galactus

Originally posted by Galan007
/facepalm

a.) That 'feat'(from F4 #391) occurred in an alternate timeline/universe, thus it was an alternate Galactus:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15219864_1.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15219868_2.jpg

b.) Galactus was VERY hungry at the time:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15219870_3.jpg

Clearly I wasn't using a hungry Galactus from an alternate universe in my analogy.

Did you just pull out the alternate future excuse to dismiss a weakened Galactus being damaged by Sue? In a thread revolving around an alternate future character being used against other alternate characters? Not to mention that the former alternate(Hyperstorm) was defeated by an alternate Galactus, and how going by your logic, the real Galactus wouldn't be able to do the same to Hyperstorm.
Originally posted by Galan007

/facepalm x2.

If a being can channel the Celestials' exact weakness(ie. hyperspace) then they certainly do not have to be a universal power to win(even though Hyperstorm arguably was.) Sue proved that much when she destroyed Exitar. srsly

Drop Superman in a Kryptonite-lined room and I bet Lex Luthor can beat him to death, even though Lex is a regular human and cannot benchpress planet-weight for days on end. This is known as: "weakness exploitation"-- a weaker opponent can beat a stronger opponent by using their weakness(es) against them. This is a very easy concept to grasp.
You're completely ignoring the fact that Sue's "victory" against Exitar was extremely circumstantial, to the point of being retarded PIS. And no, I am not talking about her powers being their kryptonite thingy. Not to mention that Superman gets gradually depowered when up against kryptonite, unlike the Celestials who only physically damaged by hyperspace forcefields.

Plus, all she did was impale one's arm, and you're pretending as if it's Exitar all over again. You're taking one extremely circumstance-dependant PIS showing, and blowing it all over the place.

Oh, and one more thing:
Originally posted by Galan007
Before Sue was fatigued, her shield withstood a blast from one of the Celestials just fine:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219294/ff-15.jpg.html

Kristoff's shields(or was it Doom's, I don't recall) withstood a similar blast from another Celestial on the Bridge. Either the Celestials weren't applying their full power in those blasts, or Sue and Kristoff are now capable of blocking skyfather+ level blasts. Or it's blatant PIS, as it so obviously is. Which one is it?
Originally posted by Galan007
Heck, even if Hyperstorm's shields are only as strong as Sue's(which low-balls 'storm tremendously, imo) all of the Celestials could attack him simultaneously and he'd still be fine:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219309/ff-17.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219311/ff-18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15219312/ff-19.jpg.html
You do realize that only one Celestial was focusing it's attack on Sue's FF in the first page? The moment all 3 put in their punches, her ff got shattered.

One Celestial could attack him, and he'd probably hold himself fine. All of the Celestials could attack him, and he'd get his sh1t pushed in.

Here it is. Kristoff's forcefield tanking a Celestial blast:
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9269/kristoffshield.jpg]

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Did you just pull out the alternate future excuse to dismiss a weakened Galactus being damaged by Sue? In a thread revolving around an alternate future character being used against other alternate characters? Not to mention that the former alternate(Hyperstorm) was defeated by an alternate Galactus, and how going by your logic, the real Galactus wouldn't be able to do the same to Hyperstorm. @ your attempt to back-peddle.

I stated that the same *blunt* construct that Sue used to flay a Celestial likely wouldn't have much(if any) effect on Galactus. You replied with a scan of a STARVING Galactus from an ALTERNATE universe being impaled by one of Sue's constructs, as though it had any bearing on my analogy. It doesn't. Clearly I didn't have an emaciated alternate Galactus in mind when I used that analogy.

Lmao. Good try, though.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You're completely ignoring the fact that Sue's "victory" against Exitar was extremely circumstantial, to the point of being retarded PIS. And no, I am not talking about her powers being their kryptonite thingy. Not to mention that Superman gets gradually depowered when up against kryptonite, unlike the Celestials who only physically damaged by hyperspace forcefields.. @ your attempt to back-peddle x2.

You (re)posted a comment I made in in another thread, in which I stated that it seemingly required universal powers to defeat the MCs. You then tried to use it against me in this thread as though it changes anything I've said. It's doesn't.

Again: if a being can channel the type of energy that Celestials are weak to(which Hyperstorm can), then they obviously wouldn't have to be a universal power to win(even though 'storm arguably was.) Sue proved that much. Again, it's called "weakness exploitation."

Lmao. Good try, though x2.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Plus, all she did was impale one's arm, and you're pretending as if it's Exitar all over again. You're taking one extremely circumstance-dependant PIS showing, and blowing it all over the place.Um, no I'm not. All you're doing now is arguing moot points in an attempt to save face.

Like I've repeatedly stated: Sue's ability to flay a Celestial with a very basic/blunt construct, is highly suggestive of the MCs having a weakness to hyperspace-energies, just like their 616 counterparts do... Which makes sense. Why else could Sue(who, relative to the MCs, is insignificantly weak) be able to damage them with such ease?

That's all I've ever said.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Kristoff's shields(or was it Doom's, I don't recall) withstood a similar blast from another Celestial on the Bridge. Either the Celestials weren't applying their full power in those blasts, or Sue and Kristoff are now capable of blocking skyfather+ level blasts. Or it's blatant PIS, as it so obviously is. Which one is it?Not sure what your point is..?

Aside from Sue and Kris, Doom himself also survived a combined attack from the Celestials:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15230506/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15230508/2.jpg.html
Three different characters surviving blasts from the Celestials in the SAME arc? That's not PIS, bro... That's consistency.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You do realize that only one Celestial was focusing it's attack on Sue's FF in the first page? The moment all 3 put in their punches, her ff got shattered.Um, duh? I stated that much, AND posted scans of the whole scene. srsly

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
One Celestial could attack him, and he'd probably hold himself fine. All of the Celestials could attack him, and he'd get his sh1t pushed in. Even though it shattered Sue's FF when the Celestials attacked her, she was still a-okay afterward. Heck, she wasn't really affected at all.

Here the Celestials simultaneously blast Sue, shattering her FF:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15230385_ff-18.jpg

On the very next page Sue is already back up(she doesn't even look injured), and successfully attacks a Celestial:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15230386_ff-19.jpg

So Like I said: even if we merely assume that Hyperstorm's shields are equal to Sue's(a drastic underestimation, I'd guess), then ALL of the MCs could attack him at the same time(at least once), and he'd be fine.