Grant Morrison's Multiversity

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Golgo13
Probably the most anticipated thing coming out in 2013 to a lot of comic sites and one of mine as well, so I think this deserves it's own thread. Here is some preview art and some info. Will add more as more info comes out.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/grant-morrison-multiversity-ted-kord-2013.html

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Galan007
Yeah, this is going to be phenomenal. No doubt about it.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, this is going to be phenomenal. No doubt about it.
thumb up

curryman
I normally try not to get hyped up.

This however...this has the potential to be one of the greatest arcs in comic book history.

Endless Mike
This looks really good

Golgo13
http://geek-news.mtv.com/2013/05/15/an-evening-with-grant-morrison/

Golgo13
Some other quotes about it.

Galan007
Channel 52 teaser for Multiversity:
http://i.imgur.com/9Yyp8cEl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9Yyp8cE.jpg


Awesome. thumb up

roughrider
Why the long wait? This was supposed to debut a year ago.

Golgo13
Originally posted by roughrider
Why the long wait? This was supposed to debut a year ago.

Artists delay. You have Frank Q. and one had a health problem, I believe. Also, many re-writes.

Galan007
New Multiversity teaser:
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leonidas
Originally posted by Galan007
New Multiversity teaser:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19645155_4191817.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19645161_3772806.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19645164_6424212.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19645168_5398391.jpg
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lol this had better be good.....

Dreampanther
Read it today. Loved it.

http://shakiaharris.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/wicked.jpg

BruceSkywalker
loved the first issue

Prof. T.C McAbe
It was good, intriguing. Can't wait to see more. Finally a good story.

Enzeru
They should have called the book "Multidiversity" instead. Would have been a better fit.

Also, I remember the times where tribute characters from other companies were treated with respect like Buried Alien in the Marvel universe, who got declared the fastest man alive (Barry Allen after he died in the fight against Anti-Monitor).
Nowdays the tribute characters speak broken english, have a giant head and wear diapers.

The book was abysmal to say the least.

quanchi112
Sounds very bad tbh.

Based
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sounds very bad tbh.

Big surprise.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Based
Big surprise. ??

SevenShackles
The big blue baby is the only thing I didn't like. Just felt a bit like disrespect and stupid. Maybe it was the diaper.

Prof. T.C McAbe
The approach of this comics was different, new and fresh. It seemed a bit dark but also humorous and it shouldn't be taken too seriously. There was no disrespect imo just humor, A Bunny koing a Blue Baby. How can one take this too serious. Take it for what it is, a comic to entertain the readers, a medium that shouldn't be taken too serious, a medium that doesn't take itself serious. Simple.

Enzeru
For a comic that doesn't take itself serious, it sure did have a lot of political correctness. But who knows, maybe it was making fun of the insane amount of enforced diversity in the mainstream comics nowdays.

Galan007
The Society of Super-Heroes issue was stellar. Very fun.

I'm curious to find out what type of threat Immortal Man inadvertently released when he killed Vandal Savage. The repercussions from this seem like they will be multiversal.


Originally posted by Galan007
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ares834
Another spectacular issue.

Golgo13
Yeah, another good story/issue. Loved the art!

Golgo13
Originally posted by Galan007
The Society of Super-Heroes issue was stellar. Very fun.

I'm curious to find out what type of threat Immortal Man inadvertently released when he killed Vandal Savage. The repercussions from this seem like they will be multiversal.



Do you think the threat is a member of the Gentry?

ares834
Seems to be the obvious conclusion.

ares834
I was rereading the issue and noticed something. According to Vandal, the being that is released when he dies is named Niczhuotan. Sound familiar?

It's Nix Uotan. Wonder if every issue (but the final) will have him being released on the different worlds.

Golgo13
Originally posted by ares834
I was rereading the issue and noticed something. According to Vandal, the being that is released when he dies is named Niczhuotan. Sound familiar?

It's Nix Uotan. Wonder if every issue (but the final) will have him being released on the different worlds.

Damn! Nice catch!

appletonia
Another great issue. It's so amazing how both this and The Sandman: Overture are being released at the same time.

Galan007
Originally posted by ares834
I was rereading the issue and noticed something. According to Vandal, the being that is released when he dies is named Niczhuotan. Sound familiar?

It's Nix Uotan. Wonder if every issue (but the final) will have him being released on the different worlds. I think so. I also think that people(be them real people, or fictional people) reading the Multiversity comics is what's feeding Nix/The Gentry/multiversal destruction... That seems to be the linchpin so far, at least--hence all the dialogue about the comics being "cursed", along with the numerous prompts for us to stop reading the books ASAP.

...Of course, I refuse to stop reading. So I suppose that makes me an accessory multiversal collapse, and the deaths of trillions. evillaugh

appletonia
So far we've been told that one world's fiction is a window into the reality of another world but what if it's all backwards?

Maybe imagination expressed through the arts is what shapes reality, and having people engage in it is what gives that reality power.

This certainly fits in well with Morrison's views on sigil magic.

Bentley
Originally posted by Galan007
...Of course, I refuse to stop reading. So I suppose that makes me an accessory multiversal collapse, and the deaths of trillions. evillaugh

So if we stop reading and get the book cancelled everybody lives happily? At least they give us proper incentive not to buy comics.

Galan007
Originally posted by appletonia
So far we've been told that one world's fiction is a window into the reality of another world but what if it's all backwards?

Maybe imagination expressed through the arts is what shapes reality, and having people engage in it is what gives that reality power.

This certainly fits in well with Morrison's views on sigil magic. We already saw a bit of this concept in 'Superman Beyond'. The characters who hadn't been used or thought of in quite a while, ended up in the limbo zone.

dynamix
after seeing that Morrison map someone posted in the Monitor vs 5th dimension Imp thread i had to look up this story. Read it and was really digging it. I gotta see how this end. Hopefully more info on Primal Monitor and its relationship with the Source/Presence will be touched on.

Galan007
Well, Earth-16 Batman seems to have figured out the 'curse' behind The Multiversity comics:
http://i.imgur.com/6kxnUrC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BtKfizy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NDotWTS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QeUzbFO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EckDRPH.jpg

"The Cordyceps fungus takes control of an ant's brain, then spores via its host's head. Imagine a lifeform like that, distinguished as a story. A set of deadly hypnotic inductions."

ares834
Pretty good issue. Not as great as the other issues but still quite fun. Loved how satirical it was.

leonidas
Originally posted by Galan007
Well, Earth-16 Batman seems to have figured out the 'curse' behind The Multiversity comics:
http://i.imgur.com/6kxnUrC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BtKfizy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NDotWTS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QeUzbFO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EckDRPH.jpg

"The Cordyceps fungus takes control of an ant's brain, then spores via its host's head. Imagine a lifeform like that, distinguished as a story. A set of deadly hypnotic inductions."

what issue is that from?

anyone reading the infinite crisis-fight for the mulitverse? it's been....okay. a couple terrible issues i thought, but a few good ones. much of the dialogue has been....pretty awful imo. i like some of the iterations, (like hal) but i dislike some too (daimian is a TOTAL douche in any reality, apparently....)

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
what issue is that from?

anyone reading the infinite crisis-fight for the mulitverse? it's been....okay. a couple terrible issues i thought, but a few good ones. much of the dialogue has been....pretty awful imo. i like some of the iterations, (like hal) but i dislike some too (daimian is a TOTAL douche in any reality, apparently....) It's from "Multiversity: The Just" #1. Came out this past week.

I've been reading "Fight for the Multiverse" since the first issue. It has been very hit and miss... Great concepts that are sometimes poorly executed, and/or dragged out ad nauseam. However, I AM curious to see what this next issue brings. An alternate Lex potentially in control of ALL Monitor-tech? That's effing scary.

leonidas
yeah, the gaslit lex is pretty cool. a testament to how smart he is across all worlds. he's gonna be a problem for sure.

i assume we are to assume that the two-faced and the quest for the artifacts was instigated by the gentry, right? and i presume the society book that followed the first multiversity issue was intended to be a 'comic' book warning to other comic characters--immortal man's reality is a 'comic' in some alternate world and that world's heroes are supposed to read it and realize it was an ACTUAL warning? and do you assume immortal man's world....died when uotan was summoned at the end?

all the meta text is cool, but trying to summarize it and really understand what is happening is a wee bit challenging.....

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
i assume we are to assume that the two-faced and the quest for the artifacts was instigated by the gentry, right? and i presume the society book that followed the first multiversity issue was intended to be a 'comic' book warning to other comic characters--immortal man's reality is a 'comic' in some alternate world and that world's heroes are supposed to read it and realize it was an ACTUAL warning? and do you assume immortal man's world....died when uotan was summoned at the end?

all the meta text is cool, but trying to summarize it and really understand what is happening is a wee bit challenging..... "The Society of Super-Heroes" book was definitely intended as a warning to the alternate worlds... We actually saw characters reading it in "The Just"(it was one of the books that made Batman understand the threat at hand):
http://i.imgur.com/6kxnUrC.jpg
And yeah, I presume Immortal Man's world was destroyed upon Nix being awakened.


Tbh, I think Multiversity is an event that won't fully 'click' until it has concluded, and we are free to sit down to read all of the issues sequentially in one sitting. You're definitely not going to catch/remember every little detail in a series with this much depth the first time around... Especially with the issues scattered monthly like they are.

I dig this concept tremendously. thumb up

leonidas
Originally posted by Galan007
"The Society of Super-Heroes" book was definitely intended as a warning to the alternate worlds... We actually saw characters reading it in "The Just"(it was one of the books that made Batman understand the threat at hand):
http://i.imgur.com/6kxnUrC.jpg
And yeah, I presume Immortal Man's world was destroyed upon Nix being awakened.


Tbh, I think Multiversity is an event that won't fully 'click' until it has concluded, and we are free to sit down to read all of the issues sequentially in one sitting. You're definitely not going to catch/remember every little detail in a series with this much depth the first time around... Especially with the issues scattered monthly like they are.

I dig this concept tremendously. thumb up

i just dl'd the just and will read it later today. the concept is very cool. i'm really curious about the gentry and who they are. hopefully we get some cool story for them and why they are apparently so utterly uber. the concept of nix is interesting. he seems to have become a villain as of the first issue. since he is a villain, i'm really curious just who is going to be powerful enough to overcome not only him, but the rest of the gentry as well. i guess as per infinite crisis, they will still use the monitor tech somehow. maybe nix or the other monitors have a contingency plan in case nix fell? i mean honestly, one random artifact--the eternal key--let two-faced destroy an entire reality. like i said, i assume the gentry are behind the villains and the artifacts that are being uncovered but i wonder why? a distraction is what lex said, but a distraction to draw away from what?

did you notice that each of the multiversity books are #1's? does that mean each will have a mini-series itself? so many questions! laughing out loud looking forward to the answers....

appletonia

appletonia
How do people rate/rank the issues so far out of curiosity? For me:

Opening issue - 9.5
S.O.S. - 7.6
The Just - 8.4

Galan007

Golgo13
Multiversity #1= 10
SOS= 8
Just= 7

leonidas
so, i'm still interested, and confused, with regards to how fight for the multiverse ties into multiversity.... SPOILERS:






































the heroes in FftM just found nix on nil and actually....found a way to use his tech that even he couldn't. not sure how i feel about that exactly. i thought nix was the all-knowing sort, but guess not. but still--i thought nix had long ago become one of the gentry?? how the hell is he still in the overvoid?? i really can't figure out how this series ties into the main multiversity series at all. brainiac seemed like the big villain at the end of the FftM arc, but i still don't have any idea how he's involved on a more macroscopic level (ie--in relation to the gentry and the comic book and all that....) keeping fingers crossed that this all comes together in the end.

ps--gaslit luthor is great.... lol and he's gonna be a BIG problem at some point in the futire.... was it gaslit batman who fought dracula once upon a time in a graphic novel? i think it was called red rain. i have it somewhere but i'm not sure where. i recall absolutely loving that story....

Galan007
Tbh I'm not sure that FFTM will even tie-into Multiversity. Remember, Morrison has been working on Multiversity for YEARS now--FFTM definitely wasn't something he would have considered while writing it. /shrug

Golgo13
FFTM is just a digital comic. All the digital comics are in their own continuity. Like Injustice.

Golgo13
BTW, looks like there is no end in site for FFTM. It's still continuing in January.

Galan007
Originally posted by Golgo13
FFTM is just a digital comic. All the digital comics are in their own continuity. Like Injustice. Injustice is centered in a single universe, though--we know it's non-canon to mainstream DC. Conversely, FFTM involves the entire multiverse--so if you're saying that FFTM exists entirely within its own continuity(ie. a divergent multiverse), then it makes DC-creation no less than a megaverse these days...

Golgo13
Originally posted by Galan007
Injustice is centered in a single universe, though--we know it's non-canon to mainstream DC. Conversely, FFTM involves the entire multiverse--so if you're saying that FFTM exists entirely within its own continuity(ie. a divergent multiverse), then it makes DC-creation no less than a megaverse these days...

Yeah, but the universes that are involved haven't been mentioned in Morrison's map of his Multiverse, correct?

Galan007
Originally posted by Golgo13
Yeah, but the universes that are involved haven't been mentioned in Morrison's map of his Multiverse, correct? Dunno right off hand... I'd have to go back and check.

leonidas
so you're thinking that this fight for the multiverse has nothing to do with multiversity? hmm, seems like coincidental timing then.... i just assumed the 2 were connected. nix talking about multiversal threats? gotta say they seem tied together to me. if not, then it's really kinda....dumb, that nix has made an appearance. the series should then be set in the past, unless it was just one of his 52 doubles that the gentry captured....? that really demeans the fact that he turned though. if the 2 series' are not related, then the timing is pretty damn confusing imo....

Golgo13
Isn't FFTM made because of the VIDEO GAME that came out?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Crisis_%28video_game%29

Look at the featured universes. Seems to go hand and hand with the digital comic.

ares834
Originally posted by leonidas
so you're thinking that this fight for the multiverse has nothing to do with multiversity? hmm, seems like coincidental timing then.... i just assumed the 2 were connected. nix talking about multiversal threats? gotta say they seem tied together to me. if not, then it's really kinda....dumb, that nix has made an appearance. the series should then be set in the past, unless it was just one of his 52 doubles that the gentry captured....? that really demeans the fact that he turned though. if the 2 series' are not related, then the timing is pretty damn confusing imo....

52 doubles?

leonidas
yeah, nix split himself into 52 'other selves', one for each universe. all of them died except for the one on nil.

maybe i'm way off for thinking the 2 series' are linked. the timing just seemed....perfect and the fact that both were dealing with multiversal threats? if they really aren't linked at all it just seems pretty odd given the similarities in the problems being faced. i just assumed the gentry was behind events in FftM as i just assumed (perhaps incorrectly apparently) the 52 in the orrery were the same. if they are different that's....weird, as both are dealing with the multiverse. hrm.

Endless Mike
We might be dealing with multiple multiverses, then

abhilegend
http://rikdad.blogspot.in/2014/11/multiversity-message.html

Some very good interpretations IMO. I like this part.



Damn, Morrison is a genius.

Golgo13
Jim Lee joins Morrison on Multiversity.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57128

Galan007
Pax Americana was brilliant. Possibly my favorite issue yet. thumb up

leonidas
really? i found it pretty.....meh. what'd you like about it so much?

Galan007
I liked the Flex Mentallo sort of vibe it had... I also dig Quitely artwork, so I was a little biased going in. stick out tongue

leonidas
ah. lol i like quitely. explains part of why you liked as superman so much. stick out tongue

i guess i didn't 'quitely' get the story. if you tell me your take i'll tell you mine.... shifty

appletonia
Amazing issue, almost right up there with Multiversity #1.

My revised ranking:

1. The Multiversity #1 - 9.5
2. Pax Americana #1 - 9.2
3. The Just #1 - 8.4
4. S.O.S. #1 - 7.6

After reading it a couple of times I feel I have a pretty good grasp of the story, though there are still a few mysteries and I'm guessing a lot of stuff below the surface that I've missed. Might understand it a bit more once I've read the whole series, though that being said I'd say out of all the one-shots so far this one seems to have the least to do with the overarching meta story.

Golgo13
Earth 41 is DC's take on Image comics.

http://www.newsarama.com/22847-the-multiversity-s-earth-41-takes-on-image-comics.html

Golgo13
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MY_zps764d58db.jpg

Golgo13
Multiversity ends in April.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MY_zps866e3d3f.jpg



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Galan007
Ultra Comics is the one book that has been featured in every issue of Multiversity so far--it's the proverbial linchpin of the series. Can't wait to read it.

Golgo13
Multiversity: Thunderworld Preview

http://www.newsarama.com/22982-dc-first-look-the-multiversity-thunderworld-adventures.html

Golgo13
New interview with Morrison.

http://www.salon.com/2014/12/13/ grant_morrisons_multiversity_his_new_comics_univer
se_doesnt_include_a_single_straight_white_male/

So, it looks like Earth 34 is an homage to Astro City and Earth 35 is Liefeld's Extreme.

Galan007
Thunderworld Adventures read like a good 'ol Golden Age/Fawcett-era tale. It was decent, but probably my least favorite issue so far.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Galan007
Thunderworld Adventures read like a good 'ol Golden Age/Fawcett-era tale. It was decent, but probably my least favorite issue so far.

Do you have any theories on what or who Ultra is?

ares834
Loved it. Absolutely loved it. Morrison needs to write a Captain Marvel ongoing ASAP.

On a different note, this is the first time we've seen the Gentry defeated.

Golgo13
Gentry? How was it defeated?

Golgo13
Anyone think we'll get a Multiversity book post Convergence?

ares834
Originally posted by Golgo13
Gentry? How was it defeated?

Good wins.

And the corrupting influence of the Gentry is either banished or thrown in the trash.

Zenwolf
More Captain Carrot please.

Golgo13
More Wildstorm/Milestone please.

leonidas
Originally posted by ares834
Good wins.

And the corrupting influence of the Gentry is either banished or thrown in the trash.

hmm, where did you get the idea that the gentry is directly involved? not saying you're wrong, just legit curious.

i also loved the issue. if morrison took on a cm book, i'd be first in line to buy. thumb up

on a separate note: i get that sivana, and others, have been inspired by this comic that is being disseminated throughout the multiverse, but....do we know yet who is behind the dissemination? and just how do the characters actually know that the book really IS tales from other ACTUAL mutliverses?

i'm loving the takes on rl comic company universes, but i'm still REALLY foggy on just what is happening, the general, over-arching idea, and the impact the first book is intended to be having.... i feel really dumb reading this series. sad

i haven't gone through and read any other literature about the series (interviews, reviews, etc...) because in general i don't think a reader should be required to do so. but in this case, i'm thinking about breaking my own rule for the sake of my sanity and understanding. i REALLY hate feeling like i can't understand a comic book. no expression

Golgo13
The guide book comes out next month. Can't wait.

ares834
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, where did you get the idea that the gentry is directly involved? not saying you're wrong, just legit curious.

Well Sivana uses the SOS comic (which we later see to be a tool of the Gentry) almost as a guidebook to communicate we the other universes. Presumably the Sivanas are acting as the pawns of the Gentry much like the invader from Earth 40 in the SOS comic.

Anyways, at the end of the comic the Gentry directly threaten Cap Marvel saying that they will escape and destroy everything. This isn't present in the actual comic showing that it is indeed the Gentry speaking out of it to Marvel.

appletonia
I thought it was just Ultra Comics that was a tool of the Gentry. In fact, I didn't think this issue was so much about The Gentry being defeated, but rather that it was showing a better, more hopeful world where the Gentry were never able to break through in the first place (only issue so far not to feature it). Just look at the second last page when they're looking at the S.O.S. comic and they talk about how it was cancelled (the implication being that the bleaker series don't sell well and that the popular ones on this world were the ones where good wins).

ares834
Considering the fact that the Gentry speak through the SoS comic, I think it's safe to say it is a tool of some sort. It's just not nearly as overt as Ultra Comics.

leonidas
thumb up

i went back and reread the first book. the gentry are definitely the ones responsible for sending out the sos book. rereading the other books as a new one comes out is going to be important throughout this thing....

leonidas
oh, btw anyone got any theories on the bugs in the first page or 2....not the lice ones, the ones on the bridge. a metaphor for the way the living comic got into the world maybe....

operator616
I took that scene as a metaphor of how the Gentry came into the multiverse. As the bugs exploit the gap to find their way into that hole and grow/spread; so do the Gentry, exploiting the gap left behind in Final Crisis with the demise of the Monitors save for Nix, enter the multiverse and spread their evil influence.

leonidas
cool, either one works i guess. rereading the books, i think i like the JUST the best so far. which is odd. after the initial reading i liked that one the least. loads of info in that book. missed the first time around but the retaliators universe was destroyed by nix. i wonder how president superman and capt carrot and the others escaped the destruction of that universe? and it was odd that nix was brought there directly from what appeared to be a collection of marvel-based items and not, apparently, the comic book, which is how lady merciless's ideas are being promulgated....

appletonia
Originally posted by ares834
Considering the fact that the Gentry speak through the SoS comic, I think it's safe to say it is a tool of some sort. It's just not nearly as overt as Ultra Comics.

Not sure why that bit of dialogue from S.O.S. at the end of TA wasn't in our version of the comic, but either way how sure can we be that it was being said by the Gentry?

The S.O.S. issue seems to serve primarily as a warning to the other Earths, while at the same time the inspiration for various villains to seek out other Earths, but in terms of directly spreading the influence of The Gentry that seems to be the exclusive domain of Ultra Comics. I could be wrong though.

Originally posted by leonidas
rereading the books, i think i like the JUST the best so far.

I really liked The Just as well, thought it was a lot better than people gave it credit for and out of all the one-shots so far the best and most involved issue when it comes to the meta-story.

This is how I rank them so far:

1. The Multiversity #1 - 9.5
2. Pax Americana #1 - 9.2
3. The Just #1 - 8.4
4. S.O.S. #1 - 7.6
5. Thunderworld Adventures #1 - 6

ares834
Originally posted by appletonia
Not sure why that bit of dialogue from S.O.S. at the end of TA wasn't in our version of the comic, but either way how sure can we be that it was being said by the Gentry?

We don't. It's guesswork on my part like much of the analysis on these comics.

leonidas
Originally posted by appletonia
Not sure why that bit of dialogue from S.O.S. at the end of TA wasn't in our version of the comic, but either way how sure can we be that it was being said by the Gentry?

The S.O.S. issue seems to serve primarily as a warning to the other Earths, while at the same time the inspiration for various villains to seek out other Earths, but in terms of directly spreading the influence of The Gentry that seems to be the exclusive domain of Ultra Comics. I could be wrong though.



I really liked The Just as well, thought it was a lot better than people gave it credit for and out of all the one-shots so far the best and most involved issue when it comes to the meta-story.

This is how I rank them so far:

1. The Multiversity #1 - 9.5
2. Pax Americana #1 - 9.2
3. The Just #1 - 8.4
4. S.O.S. #1 - 7.6
5. Thunderworld Adventures #1 - 6

i agree with you in regards to the sos book and the ultra book. the gentry do seem responsible for both though. thinking about it a little more, it doesn't really seem to make sense that the gentry would send out the sos book. why warn people? you'd think they wouldn't want anyone knowing. so....maybe they AREN'T responsible? as for the change in dialogue--on pg14 of pax, atom comments are the fact that the book keeps changing. so, maybe the stories are evolving based on what happens in the worlds on which they are based? i loved that first page with atom, when he mentions hearing someone knocking to get in... suitably creepy. and i liked the mention of 8 dimensions, echoing the algorithm.

after rereading pax i definitely enjoyed it a LOT more than i did the first time round. still, it has the least to do so far with the overall plot and there are still parts that have me scratching my head. some of the references are just too arcane for me to 'get' i guess and the backwards revelations were just too hard to keep track of in some cases. maybe ANOTHER reading will help. lol

anyway, i'd rank them as follows:

the just
book 1
pax/thunderworld
sos

i've really enjoyed all the books so far and the differences are all relatively small.

Galan007
The Guidebook... Read it as soon as you can. thumb up

abhilegend
How good it was Galan?

kevdude
I am on my way to get it now!

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
How good it was Galan? Very, very informative.

ares834
Great issue. Obviously we learn more about the Earths of the multiverse but we also learn more about the New Gods (the "nu52 gods" are once more mere emanations of the true New gods currently residing on Earth-51 since the end of Final Crisis) and some more on the history of the multiverse and how it all fits together.

Golgo13
So, the Gentry awoke Darkseid? So, is Darkseid apart of the Gentry?

And who is holding up the EMPTY hand?

Galan007
Nix Uotan, who is a member of The Gentry, awoke Darkseid.

When the toon characters from Earth 42 were revived, you mean? Unknown. However, it is the same being whom The Gentry worship.

Blockythe1guy
Originally posted by Galan007
Nix Uotan, who is a member of The Gentry, awoke Darkseid.

When the toon characters from Earth 42 were revived, you mean? Unknown. However, it is the same being whom The Gentry worship.

Sorry if i'm new here.

But does that mean that Darkseid's True Form (as was seen in Final Crisis) is going to come back even more powerful?

Galan007
-We know Darkseid was resurrected, but not necessarily more powerful(unless he was transformed into a member of The Gentry.)
-We know that Darkseid is merely a single, insignificant piece of a much larger puzzle.
-We know the New Gods of Earth 51 cannot overcome these new threats in their current, weakened states.
-We know something BIG is going on with Earth 42.
-We know 'The Empty Hand' is evidently the mastermind/leader of The Gentry, and is likely responsible for their takeover of the multiverse.
-We know that Ultra Comics/Earth Prime is the linchpin to everything.

kevdude
Yup it's very good! Loved looking back on some of the historical events in the dcu!

appletonia
Man that issue was so bloody good.

Galan007
Ultra Comics was amazing... An absolute game-changer in the comic industry.

This was by far my favorite issue of the series to date. Highly recommend. thumb up

krisblaze
Can't handle all these curveballs

Need time to digest

-K-M-
The art is pretty amazing. Really I'm happy as not often a story gets so hyped ACTUALLY delivers

ares834
Great issue. That panel where Intelectron orders you to turn the next page "slave" was phenomenal.

appletonia
Anyone else think Intellectron would make a really cute starter pokemon?

Blockythe1guy
That was really good. Really.

Hope that comic get's lot of famous for the world to know.

leonidas
i liked ultra. will need to reread it at least one more time though. the book was created as a trap that....failed? i sort of thought this was the book that STARTED it all but that can't really be the case. not sure exactly HOW the series goes in chronological terms yet. while i enjoyed the book, i guess i was hoping it would answer more questions. instead, it just raised more for me. maybe a second reading will clear things up--it's helped with the other issues.

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
the book was created as a trap that....failed? The entire book is meant to represent the 'Oblivion Machine'. The first 2 pages serve as both the beginning and the end of the book. So if we take those pages into consideration, the trap definitely worked, as Ultra Comics appeared to be caught in the Oblivion Machine's endless cycle.

...That's how I interpreted it, at least. /shrug

leonidas
what i meant was that it was intended as a trap for the gentry i thought, and in that sense it failed.... like i said, i gotta reread it....

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
what i meant was that it was intended as a trap for the gentry i thought, and in that sense it failed.... like i said, i gotta reread it.... Yeah, Ultra Comics was originally intended to be a trap of sorts by its human creators on Earth Prime--designed to protect their universe from an imminent invasion(or "Hit" as they refer to it) by The Gentry:
http://i.imgur.com/UqESeG3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pADvLUW.jpg

But like you mentioned: this turned out to be a trap within a trap. As evident by one of the first few pages of the issue, The Gentry were already in position to overtake Earth Prime(and subsequently Ultra Comics itself) from the very start:
http://i.imgur.com/Bd4VrzM.jpg
(As you know, that reporter/narrator ended up being Intellectron in disguise.)

So instead of Ultra Comics becoming a weapon for us to use against them, it was ultimately flipped into a weapon for them to use against us--the Oblivion Machine, as they called it.

...Which, in hindsight, likely explains the warning inscribed on the cover page:
http://i.imgur.com/DXcJGNR.jpg
"You must NOT read this comic!"

From an in-universe POV: Ultra's ability to 'skip scenes' enabled him to hop back to the cover page and leave that warning for us, after he had already witnessed/survived the events of the issue itself.

Crazy stuff. Really makes you think.

Digi
I'm normally less of a fan of Morrison's shenanigans than most others, but this concept is actually pretty cool.

krisblaze
http://rikdad.blogspot.no/2014/11/multiversity-message.html

This is probably the "clearest" interpretation of what the Gentry are, that I've come across.

Galan007

Digi
Damn. Love the bit about rebuilding the mind in their own image. Because stuff like that does happen all the time. Watch a movie with a ton of swear words, and your own threshold for swearing is loosened after watching it. Compound that idea over decades and there are some scary implications. He mentions porn; another great example. Harmless in a vacuum, but what changes are happening internally as a collective result of everything we intake? Not just porn, but ALL of it. There's every possibility we'll have absorbed as much information and media-related stimuli in our first 20-30 years that previous generations did in their entire lives.

It's a fascinating thought. Thanks for posting the snippets there.

krisblaze
It reminds me a lot of what he says in the Invisibles, about the dangers of hanging onto all the sad and terrible things that we see.

Morrison is so god damned awesome.

krisblaze

Blockythe1guy
The Gentry is really sounds like a threat that can never be beaten.

But were gonna find out soon for the final battle of the Multiversity.

Galan007
Originally posted by krisblaze
It reminds me a lot of what he says in the Invisibles, about the dangers of hanging onto all the sad and terrible things that we see.

Morrison is so god damned awesome. Yeah, the man certainly put a lot of legitimate thought(both metaphorical and literal) into these characters, and subsequently the event itself, instead of randomly spewing them onto paper like so many writers do, just to make a quick buck. Despite the mass fan-pressure/hatred he endured for this event taking so long to come into fruition(6ish years), he took his time with it. He 'clocked out' of comics for a while and pieced this thing together on his own time--only releasing it when he felt it was ready..... And it certainly shows.

Excellent stuff. thumb up

Originally posted by Blockythe1guy
The Gentry is really sounds like a threat that can never be beaten. If the world stays as it is, they can't be... Or at least that's what Morrison is getting at, I think.

So long as we(ie. humanity) continue receiving/accepting an abundance of sensory input from the various media of today, of which we have become so dependent upon, The Gentry will endure. Morrison's aim here is that said media is breaking down our minds in a sense--and this subconscious breakdown creates an optimal environment in which The Gentry can thrive. If society doesn't change, The Gentry will endure.

But yeah, the final issue of Multiversity should be a real mind-phuck. thumb up

Digi
As kris's quotes highlight, Morrison is far from the first person to have these thoughts. I've encountered the idea before as well. But the packaging of it in such a clever concept/comic is certainly cool, and a more poignant reminder of the media's influence than nearly any other presentation of the idea I've seen.

Galan007
Yeah. Morrison's always had a penchant for writing these types of stories. A lot of people overlooked the metatextual character(ie. "Super-Doomsday"wink from his most recent run on Action Comics:

http://i.imgur.com/VVJ37gw.png http://i.imgur.com/YMFO3KD.png


^^That right there is the same basic concept that powered Mandrakk, Thought-Robot, and even The Gentry: A thought that gets bigger and bigger the more you think it.

But like you said, the way Morrsion is able to deliver these mind-boggling concepts in literary format is absolutely brilliant.

Juntai
Ever listen to Grant Morrison on stuff like Fatman on Batman?
He was on there like 3 times that totals into several hours of listening.
Just hearing the way he talks/thinks comics is awesome.
he da bes

Prof. T.C McAbe
I will reread this and FC on LSD, let's see how it rocks.

leonidas
couple things--first, in the second-to-last panel, who is YOU, ultra is referring to? whose EYE is it? and WHY is his eye bloodshot? anyone? it's fine at the end of the story, before he travel back to the beginning, so....what happened?

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/1_1.jpg.html

secondly, can anyone name all the characters in the jury in this scene? some are obvious, but others? not so much....

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/2_1.jpg.html

then there is this:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/3_1.jpg.html

which 'first scene'? does he mean this is where he came in after the opening scene? doesn't make sense because after the opening scene he was pretty f'd... after the first scene where intellectron attacked him? doesn't make sense either since he went back to the beginning to be made young again... so....what first scene is he talking about??

and lastly--any guesses why the font/narrator boxes changed shape and colour?

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/4_1.jpg.html

is this merely to represent the idea that intellectron is 'infecting' him, and through him, by extension 'us'? as he fades out in that last panel, we know he hasn't died, but rather returned to the start of the book. but from the start, where does he go? we seem to see him devoured by the....plant life in the opening couple pages, so i guess his story DOES end (though not before he adds a NOT to the cover of the book....)

anyway, after rereading, i like the issue a lot, (still liked a couple of the other issues more though) but i find that i feel i am missing some key revelation or something, and i don't like that feeling. still trying to get a feel for the chronological aspect of the series as well. seems to be no real this-came-first moment. i love the ideas he is playing with, (it really is fascinating stuff) but so far it reminds me a little of inception, the movie. sometimes things can be TOO clever. maybe i'm still waiting for that singular a-ha moment that ties things together...? that's it. for now. smile

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
couple things--first, in the second-to-last panel, who is YOU, ultra is referring to? whose EYE is it? and WHY is his eye bloodshot? anyone? it's fine at the end of the story, before he travel back to the beginning, so....what happened?

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/1_1.jpg.html "You" is referring to us; the readers. Ultra is warning us not to read the comic, as it will only serve to empower The Gentry and unleash them upon us.

Dunno why his eye became bloodshot. Presumably it has something to do with the Oblivion Machine infecting/corrupting him. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
secondly, can anyone name all the characters in the jury in this scene? some are obvious, but others? not so much....

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/2_1.jpg.html The only ones who stood out to me are Darkseid and Hitler.

Originally posted by leonidas
then there is this:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/3_1.jpg.html

which 'first scene'? does he mean this is where he came in after the opening scene? doesn't make sense because after the opening scene he was pretty f'd... after the first scene where intellectron attacked him? doesn't make sense either since he went back to the beginning to be made young again... so....what first scene is he talking about?? He's talking about his first actual scene in the book, prior to encountering Intellectron. This scene:
http://i.imgur.com/328FhbX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EvDZDmB.jpg

He couldn't have been talking about the bloodshot eye-scene, because that technically hadn't happened to him yet. The first few pages are paradoxical in that regard.

Originally posted by leonidas
and lastly--any guesses why the font/narrator boxes changed shape and colour?

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/4_1.jpg.html

is this merely to represent the idea that intellectron is 'infecting' him, and through him, by extension 'us'? as he fades out in that last panel, we know he hasn't died, but rather returned to the start of the book. That part had/has me puzzled too. I think, like you said, it is a representation of him being 'erased'. That is, after all, why Ultra Comics was originally designed by the scientists of Earth Prime: to destroy The Gentry by rendering them back down into pure text--to 'eat' them, essentially:
http://i.imgur.com/cJh1EkU.png


However, The Gentry ultimately flipped the trap/comic back on Ultra(and subsequently, us.) Instead of it being a weapon for us to use against them, it became a weapon for them to use against us: The Oblivion Machine.

Originally posted by leonidas
but from the start, where does he go? we seem to see him devoured by the....plant life in the opening couple pages, so i guess his story DOES end (though not before he adds a NOT to the cover of the book....) It doesn't really end, per se. The Oblivion Machine/Ultra Comics is stuck in a perpetual loop.

If you recall, Quantum Superman made note of Ultra Comics' unique loop-like 'structure' back in the Pax Americana issue:
http://i.imgur.com/2EUGIwu.png

http://i.imgur.com/C6rWWtV.png

Originally posted by leonidas
anyway, after rereading, i like the issue a lot, (still liked a couple of the other issues more though) but i find that i feel i am missing some key revelation or something, and i don't like that feeling. still trying to get a feel for the chronological aspect of the series as well. seems to be no real this-came-first moment. i love the ideas he is playing with, (it really is fascinating stuff) but so far it reminds me a little of inception, the movie. sometimes things can be TOO clever. maybe i'm still waiting for that singular a-ha moment that ties things together...? that's it. for now. smile The final issue(Multiversity #2) should tidy things up a bit. However, Morrison has made it pretty clear that some aspects of the story will remain ambiguous... So keep that in mind. stick out tongue

leonidas
Originally posted by Galan007
"You" is referring to us; the readers. Ultra is warning us not to read the comic, as it will only serve to empower The Gentry and unleash them upon us.

Dunno why his eye became bloodshot. Presumably it has something to do with the Oblivion Machine infecting/corrupting him. /shrug

hmm, i'm not so sure about that. or at least it doesn't quite fit for me. he was talking to us all along, so why suddenly cut himself off the way he did and seem so surprised? "YOU! It was YOUR eye all along!"

no reason to reference us since WE were the ones he was talking to already. and he seemed very afraid. could he have spotted the one-handed leader? not sure, but i don't think he was talking about us....



that i'll buy. should have figured that myself. thumb up



maybe less erased and more corrupted/infected? i find the bloodshot eye interesting only because of the scan i showed first--it was YOUR eye all along. could it be intellectron he's referencing? it really strikes me as an odd bit of dialogue, and an important one that i'm not getting. it just doesn't seem right for him to be talking to us in that bit....



the pages supes mentioned were interesting--they were the ones that took him from the opening of that scene, to the end, the very bit we were talking about. lol some nice planning there. thumb up

intellectron also throws some doubt on the idea that ultra really DID make it back to the beginning. he tells us, the readers, that ultra is only DREAMING. if intellectron DID capture ultra at the end (which seems likely) maybe ultra IS just dreaming at the start. even assuming he is dreaming doesn't help answer my first question though. sad

ftr, maybe you ARE right about who he is talking, but....it doesn't feel right to me. damn, i found this issue puzzling! lol good talk though. thumb up

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i'm not so sure about that. or at least it doesn't quite fit for me. he was talking to us all along, so why suddenly cut himself off the way he did and seem so surprised? "YOU! It was YOUR eye all along!" Oh, sorry. Just realized you were talking about these specific panels/statements:
http://i.imgur.com/2GgWdyr.png

I assume he is talking directly to Intellectron there, given that his statement refers to an eye in the singular sense--which is what Intellectron has--before warning us NOT to turn the page.

...But when we inevitably do turn the page, who do we see? None other than Intellectron(in disguise) presumably reading Ultra Comics:
http://i.imgur.com/uG2Xpm3.jpg
I assume he's reading Ultra Comics in that scene, because he tells us to disregard/ignore Ultra's warning on the previous page as nothing but a dream. Obviously it was far more than a dream, though, because the entire comic represents the Oblivion Machine--and the Oblivion Machine is what fuels The Gentry.

Originally posted by leonidas
maybe less erased and more corrupted/infected? Yeah, that. I think that because Ultra Comics was flipped back onto Ultra himself(and subsequently us as readers), he was being rendered down into pure text, instead of the intended target: Intellectron.

Originally posted by leonidas
intellectron also throws some doubt on the idea that ultra really DID make it back to the beginning. he tells us, the readers, that ultra is only DREAMING. As mentioned above: Intellectron only wanted us to think Ultra was dreaming when he gave that warning, because he didn't want readers to get scared and stop reading the issue. If we stopped reading, The Gentry wouldn't be able to invade/corrupt/infect our minds and propagate outward from there.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol good talk though. thumb up Absolutely. Love talking about this stuff. thumb up

Digi
So are we not supposed to read the final issue, to stop the Gentry from taking over? Could we take part in Morrison's meta story here by avoiding the finale?

Galan007
^ You were already exposed when you read Ultra Comics. Reading the final issue is your only hope at salvation. thumb up

Digi
lol, damn

leonidas
Originally posted by Galan007
Oh, sorry. Just realized you were talking about these specific panels/statements:
http://i.imgur.com/2GgWdyr.png

I assume he is talking directly to Intellectron there, given that his statement refers to an eye in the singular sense--which is what Intellectron has--before warning us NOT to turn the page.

that was what i thought at first too, but now....maybe i'm looking too closely at it. he went back to the beginning so he already KNEW it was intellectron. seems odd he reacted the way he did to something he knew. but...i can't think of anything more likely. also, what the hell is all around him? is that the horde gentry? if so, seems weird that the story didn't end there. it would only be 'continued' in the sense that the story was already written, if you understand. he could well have been destroyed in the first 2 pages, but, since it WAS written, the story would just repeat....



you're right, but it could still have been a dream. it would have the same effect. readers didn't KNOW he was dreaming, ultra wouldn't know. i mean it even seems LIKELY he was dreaming as i think about it as it appears that intellectron was at least partly responsible for bringing ultra into being in the first place. i assume all the parts that have intellectron narrating were NOT intended to be there when the issue was first 'written'. rather, intellectron infected and took it over FROM THE START. he was actually laughing at ultra almost even after his warning at the beginning. i think ultra was meant to THINK he escaped to the beginning--but intellectron had already infected the book as a whole. i could see where he may well have been captured at the end and really did just dream the beginning bit. shrug




lol maybe, but it's paradoxical. he would already have known what ultra was trying to do. he even dared readers to stop reading himself. seriously, this was a crazy a$$ issue. lol.... fun stuff.

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
that was what i thought at first too, but now....maybe i'm looking too closely at it. he went back to the beginning so he already KNEW it was intellectron. seems odd he reacted the way he did to something he knew. but...i can't think of anything more likely. also, what the hell is all around him? is that the horde gentry? if so, seems weird that the story didn't end there. it would only be 'continued' in the sense that the story was already written, if you understand. he could well have been destroyed in the first 2 pages, but, since it WAS written, the story would just repeat.... True, but Ultra wouldn't have known that Intellectron appeared at the very beginning of the issue, until he skipped back to the beginning from the end, if that makes sense. So he wouldn't have figured out that it was a trap from the get-go until that very moment. Paradocks!

Originally posted by leonidas
you're right, but it could still have been a dream. it would have the same effect. readers didn't KNOW he was dreaming, ultra wouldn't know. i mean it even seems LIKELY he was dreaming as i think about it as it appears that intellectron was at least partly responsible for bringing ultra into being in the first place. i assume all the parts that have intellectron narrating were NOT intended to be there when the issue was first 'written'. rather, intellectron infected and took it over FROM THE START. he was actually laughing at ultra almost even after his warning at the beginning. i think ultra was meant to THINK he escaped to the beginning--but intellectron had already infected the book as a whole. i could see where he may well have been captured at the end and really did just dream the beginning bit. shrug Yeah, it's certainly possible. However, Intellectron still needed us to read the book in order to fully 'activate' the Oblivion Machine. Hence why he tried to have us disregard Ultra's warning--had we stopped reading there, The Gentry couldn't have fully infected/corrupted our minds.

Regardless, Ultra definitely wasn't dreaming during those first few pages, imo. He definitely skipped to the beginning of the book from the end of it, because he placed the "NOT" warning on its cover. We know he did this after his battle with Intellectron, because his eye is bloodshot on the cover:
http://i.imgur.com/31DKCID.jpg

Anywho, the cover for the final issue of Multiversity has been leaked, and Ultra is on it(alongside a character who appears to be Morrison himself):
http://i.imgur.com/EFcB1w4.jpg

So maybe...just maybe...a few of these questions will be answered. thumb up

Originally posted by leonidas
lol maybe, but it's paradoxical. he would already have known what ultra was trying to do. he even dared readers to stop reading himself. seriously, this was a crazy a$$ issue. lol.... fun stuff. thumb up

It's a paradox that evidently curves through 8 different dimensions, as Quantum Supes noted. No wonder it's hard for us 3-D'ers to figure out. stick out tongue

leonidas
lol no doubt. to be continued later. thumb up

Blockythe1guy
Morrison coming to save the day by the look of that cover XD

Galan007

krisblaze
His run on Flex Mentallo really shines through here. Not just about how comics and entertainment has changed but also:

http://earthx.org/flex/images/four_18.jpg

Galan007
Flex is a classic. Morrison's current ongoing minis: Nameless and Annihilator are also, to a lesser extent, very intriguing mindf*cks in their own right. If you're into that sort of read, check those out(neither of them are finished yet.)

abhilegend
Flex Mentallo is an absolute classic. Morrison's Magnum Opus basically.

Galan007
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Galan007
So, eh... Anyone have some theories as to what this creature from Multiversity #1 might be?:
http://i.imgur.com/XUWsa2m.png

It was noticed by the heroes and then immediately put on the backburner when they transported to Earth-8.

I initially thought because of its multi-dimensional nature(it was existing in a few universes simultaneously there) that it might be the 'leader' of the Gentry. Then I thought it might have been a different iteration of Hellmachine, as a few of its tendrils can be seen encroaching on the 'House of Heroes' universe:
http://i.imgur.com/MksPIje.png

And it was Hellmachine who ultimately destroyed the HoH during the Guidebook:
http://i.imgur.com/mb6fbIR.jpg
srug


Heck, I even went all the way back to Morrison's run on Batman RIP, wherein every time Bat-Mite appeared to Bruce, a green-skinned creature of unrevealed origin can be seen clinging to his back:
http://i.imgur.com/BuF7Xd5.png
http://i.imgur.com/TCBsmOi.png
Perhaps that was the creature in its infancy, and Multiversity depicted the same creature in adulthood..?

It's a huge stretch, I know, but this was the same story in which Morrison gave us this epic line:
Batman: "Are you really an alien Hyper-Imp from the 5th Dimension... Or are you just a figment of my imagination?"
Bat-Mite: "Imagination is the 5th Dimension."
http://i.imgur.com/ZmMzN66.jpg
...And thought-powered/imagination-fueled concepts are obviously a big component of Multiversity.
srugx2


Regardless, that creature has got to be significant.

Juntai
Originally posted by Galan007
Batman: "Are you really an alien Hyper-Imp from the 5th Dimension... Or are you just a figment of my imagination?"
Bat-Mite: "Imagination is the 5th Dimension." Such genius and he just throws it out like it's ****ing easy.

Juntai
Also, my initial thought was its the Gentry.
I dunno if I wanna go back through all the bat-titles and 52 and final crisis and superman and stuff just to find it. It'll dawn on me when it happens. lol.

ares834
What great hand cast the lighnting and remade the world?

Well seems we have our answer.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/GM_zpsdjembjci.jpg

stick out tongue

abhilegend
Originally posted by ares834
What great hand cast the lighnting and remade the world?

Well seems we have our answer.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/GM_zpsdjembjci.jpg

stick out tongue
huh

operator616
Originally posted by Galan007
So, eh... Anyone have some theories as to what this creature from Multiversity #1 might be?:
http://i.imgur.com/XUWsa2m.png

It was noticed by the heroes and then immediately put on the backburner when they transported to Earth-8.

I initially thought because of its multi-dimensional nature(it was existing in a few universes simultaneously there) that it might be the 'leader' of the Gentry. Then I thought it might have been a different iteration of Hellmachine, as a few of its tendrils can be seen encroaching on the 'House of Heroes' universe:
http://i.imgur.com/MksPIje.png

And it was Hellmachine who ultimately destroyed the HoH during the Guidebook:
http://i.imgur.com/mb6fbIR.jpg
srug


Heck, I even went all the way back to Morrison's run on Batman RIP, wherein every time Bat-Mite appeared to Bruce, a green-skinned creature of unrevealed origin can be seen clinging to his back:
http://i.imgur.com/BuF7Xd5.png
http://i.imgur.com/TCBsmOi.png
Perhaps that was the creature in its infancy, and Multiversity depicted the same creature in adulthood..?

It's a huge stretch, I know, but this was the same story in which Morrison gave us this epic line:
Batman: "Are you really an alien Hyper-Imp from the 5th Dimension... Or are you just a figment of my imagination?"
Bat-Mite: "Imagination is the 5th Dimension."
http://i.imgur.com/ZmMzN66.jpg
...And thought-powered/imagination-fueled concepts are obviously a big component of Multiversity.
srugx2


Regardless, that creature has got to be significant.

Interesting observation.

Although regarding the monster in the Batman RIP arc, Morrison said it in an interview that it was Bat Mite's true 5th dimensional form/shape:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41634

Originally posted by ares834


http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/GM_zpsdjembjci.jpg


This reminds me...

http://i.imgur.com/9N4R0G1.png

leonidas
nice. thumb up doubt it's a coincidence.

leonidas
Originally posted by Galan007
So, eh... Anyone have some theories as to what this creature from Multiversity #1 might be?:
http://i.imgur.com/XUWsa2m.png

It was noticed by the heroes and then immediately put on the backburner when they transported to Earth-8.

I initially thought because of its multi-dimensional nature(it was existing in a few universes simultaneously there) that it might be the 'leader' of the Gentry. Then I thought it might have been a different iteration of Hellmachine, as a few of its tendrils can be seen encroaching on the 'House of Heroes' universe:
http://i.imgur.com/MksPIje.png

And it was Hellmachine who ultimately destroyed the HoH during the Guidebook:
http://i.imgur.com/mb6fbIR.jpg
srug


Heck, I even went all the way back to Morrison's run on Batman RIP, wherein every time Bat-Mite appeared to Bruce, a green-skinned creature of unrevealed origin can be seen clinging to his back:
http://i.imgur.com/BuF7Xd5.png
http://i.imgur.com/TCBsmOi.png
Perhaps that was the creature in its infancy, and Multiversity depicted the same creature in adulthood..?

It's a huge stretch, I know, but this was the same story in which Morrison gave us this epic line:
Batman: "Are you really an alien Hyper-Imp from the 5th Dimension... Or are you just a figment of my imagination?"
Bat-Mite: "Imagination is the 5th Dimension."
http://i.imgur.com/ZmMzN66.jpg
...And thought-powered/imagination-fueled concepts are obviously a big component of Multiversity.
srugx2


Regardless, that creature has got to be significant.

well, i'd always just assumed it was a sign of the infection that was spreading. just one of the horrible things that had been unleashed in the spaces between universes as a result of what was going on. i figure it was just a symptom, noting of real importance. shrug

Galan007
Originally posted by operator616
Interesting observation.

Although regarding the monster in the Batman RIP arc, Morrison said it in an interview that it was Bat Mite's true 5th dimensional form/shape:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41634 This article gives us some insight regarding Multiversity, actually.

Morrison: "The imagination is the fifth dimension. I was proposing the notion the fifth dimension is in your mind."

This might explain why the 5th dimension isn't listed on his Map of the Multiverse. After all, how can one possibly represent/depict the readers' individual minds on a 2-D map? It might also explain why The Gentry were referred to as 5-D beings--they represent various evil/maniacal 'thoughts' that infect the minds of their host-readers(both fictional and RL.) Heck, even if we go back to Action Comics #17, we see that 5-D tech(in the form of Super-Doomsday) is 'fueled' by the same basic concept as The Gentry: thought... Heh, I suppose this would also make Ultra a 5-D being as well. /shrug

Very nice. thumb up

Galan007
Reposting the Multiversity #2 variant cover:
http://i.imgur.com/PtEP2CUh.jpg

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