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Again , to gauge his raw power levels in the eyes of the forum. Let's say SM undergoes a change of mentality and becomes a living force of destruction or whatever the **** the caption when he beat the imperiex probes read. He has nothing but a will to triumph in his mind, there are no innocents to protect or spare and annihilating the opposition is the only way to save his universe, thus his inherent mercy is removed as an obstacle. this SM will not hold anything back.

he does not get any kind of raw power amp, however. You can assume pre flashpoint SM or an amalgamated version of pre and post FP as you please.

keep this about raw power output: brawlers, blasters, speedsters etc. are fine, but no weakness exploitation or BFR

1. 1/10

2. 6/10

3. 10/10

1. Flash (and I do mean a bare 1/10 here)
2. Superboy Prime
3. Odin

LT

HOTU

TOAA.

sneer

The Flash, for starters.

noone short of a fully realised norrin given an equal mindset could beat him

Originally posted by Omega Vision
1. Flash
2. Superboy Prime
3. Odin
Darkseid getting 6/10 against a probe-busting superman in a straight up brawl? Really?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
noone short of a fully realised norrin given an equal mindset could beat him
Surfer would get his shit pushed in here.

Originally posted by 753
1. 1/10

2. 6/10

3. 10/10

Spider-Man @ 1%

Spider-Man @ 6%

Spider-Man @ 10%

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid getting 6/10 against a probe-busting superman in a straight up brawl? Really?
As you can see I changed it. But this isn't a straight up brawl. As long as DS doesn't use his OE to bfr it's clean.

Fernus.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
As you can see I changed it. But this isn't a straight up brawl. As long as DS doesn't use his OE to bfr it's clean.
Darkseid wouldn't beat him even with OE. Remember OE bouncing off Entropy Aegis? That was just a burnt out probe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid wouldn't beat him even with OE. Remember OE bouncing off Entropy Aegis? That was just a burnt out probe.
It wasn't just a burnt out probe. It was a probe that had been retrofitted and enhanced by Apokoliptian tech.

Not that it matters seeing as I changed my pick, so if you wish to continue this you can take it to PMs (hint: I probably won't reply because I don't care).

Punisher

Daredevil

Batman

Originally posted by Sin I AM
noone short of a fully realised norrin given an equal mindset could beat him

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It wasn't just a burnt out probe. It was a probe that had been retrofitted and enhanced by Apokoliptian tech.

Not that it matters seeing as I changed my pick, so if you wish to continue this you can take it to PMs (hint: I probably won't reply because I don't care).
Which means absolutely dick. It was just using Imperiex's power as its main power.

OK.

Originally posted by 753
Again , to gauge his raw power levels in the eyes of the forum. Let's say SM undergoes a change of mentality and becomes a living force of destruction or whatever the **** the caption when he beat the imperiex probes read. He has nothing but a will to triumph in his mind, there are no innocents to protect or spare and annihilating the opposition is the only way to save his universe, thus his inherent mercy is removed as an obstacle. this SM will not hold anything back.

he does not get any kind of raw power amp, however. You can assume pre flashpoint SM or an amalgamated version of pre and post FP as you please.

keep this about raw power output: brawlers, blasters, speedsters etc. are fine, but no weakness exploitation or BFR

1. 1/10

2. 6/10

3. 10/10

Without bfr?


Definitely no herald can beat him like this.

But the funny thing is this type of Superman would whoop some skyfathers up something fierce.

My vote is either HP DD or Flash (at best).
Since Flash at his best is more powerful than HP DD then my vote is
HP DD 10/10.

Photon

Trion Juggernaut

Onslaught

1. Absorbing Man

2. Nemesis Kid

3. VALIDUS

1.) Squirtle
2.) Wartortle
3.) Blastoise

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer would get his shit pushed in here.






Surfer would shove his board up Superman's ass and ride him home. 10/10

Lol at Odin being the weakest guy that can pull 10/10

Originally posted by Tony Stark



Surfer would shove his board up Superman's ass and ride him home. 10/10
No he wouldnt, regular supes and Regular SS are equals, they are both the gold standard for high heralds.
Stop being a fanboy.


Oh yeah and both of them would mess sentry up
:trollface:

Originally posted by armedforbattle
No he wouldnt, regular supes and Regular SS are equals, they are both the gold standard for high heralds.
Stop being a fanboy.


Oh yeah and both of them would mess sentry up
:trollface:


If you don't think that SS can use his PC to manipulate Supermans weakness we don't need to discuss it any further.

SENTRY beats them both at the same time ftr

Originally posted by Tony Stark
If you don't think that SS can use his PC to manipulate Supermans weakness we don't need to discuss it any further.

SENTRY beats them both at the same time ftr

Well for one, kryptonite doesn't exist in the 616 so how is Surfer gonna make it?

And at sentry soloing supes and SS

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Well for one, kryptonite doesn't exist in the 616 so how is Surfer gonna make it?

And at sentry soloing supes and SS


You've heard of Red Sun light right...?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
You've heard of Red Sun light right...?
You do know that his bench press earth feat was under red sun radiation right? Don't try to get smart with me boy, I'll smack the teeth out of your mouth. Red sun doesn't cripple him like k-nite does

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Well for one, kryptonite doesn't exist in the 616 so how is Surfer gonna make it?

And at sentry soloing supes and SS cosmic awareness would be how.

lol, indeed. sentry would be steamrolled by them

@ tony stark: weakness exploitation is strictly ruled out here. SM must be overpowered

Originally posted by Tony Stark
You've heard of Red Sun light right...?

Originally posted by 753
...., but no weakness exploitation or BFR



But i see you admit that weakness exploitation is the only way ss can hope to have a chance against superman.

Originally posted by 753
cosmic awareness would be how.
Well I knew that, but I was forgetting that it takes place in a neutral universe. My B

Originally posted by 753
cosmic awareness would be how. CBR surfer? Do I get to use CBR superman too? Superman sings surfer out of existence.

No one.

Morrison proved this.

1. Flash
2. X-Man
3. Thanos

Originally posted by abhilegend
CBR surfer? Do I get to use CBR superman too? Superman sings surfer out of existence.



Cosmic awareness is one of the surfer's main deals tho. Why shouldn't he be able to use it? IMO it would be like taking the spider sense away from Pete.

Originally posted by curryman
No one.

Morrison proved this.

I agree with the chicken curry man.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Cosmic awareness is one of the surfer's main deals tho. Why shouldn't he be able to use it? IMO it would be like taking the spider sense away from Pete.
Yeah, he has used it on how many times? Half a dozen times and none in battles? That's totally like spider-sense, I tell you./sarcasm

Originally posted by Tony Stark
If you don't think that SS can use his PC to manipulate Supermans weakness we don't need to discuss it any further.

SENTRY beats them both at the same time ftr Opening posts makes it clear no weakness exploitation.