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Endless Mike
In your opinion, what's the worst comic book you've ever read? It can be a single issue or an entire series.

TheGodKiller
Dynamite's Athena.

StyleTime
There are so many bad comics out there, I'm not sure. I've probably repressed my memories of the worst one, so I might come back later if I think of something else.

The early issues of WildC.A.T.S. are pure shit. Seriously.

Rao Kal El
So far, DC's millenium.

Marvel's second secrets wars and ig related have been overall bad.

But for me Millenium takes the cake

basilisk
So what was so bad about Millenium? Don't think I ever read it but that was the one with the Manhunters, Guardians, and a bunch of laughably crap new characters right?

As far as the worst goes, I read some early Image sort of stuff once - Bloodstryke/Blooddeath/Bloodkill or whatever that was absolutely appalling stuff. Some of it was Liefield I think.

Rao Kal El
The whole point of Millenium as with bloodlines was to introduce new characters. both were awful ideas. I think only ONE decent character came out of bloodlines, the characters in millenium were really crappy.

I hate that they used a whole series just to come out with some shitty characters. and the whole story just to introduce them was also horrible. IMO

That story about the Superman from the future vs the hittler clones was really bad too.

Final Night was shitty too, but milleniun is by far the worst I have read. Of course I am not thinking about the filler stories on a regular book, those are usually bad, but too short to even remember.

Q99
Wow, most of you lot have been generally lucky with your comics smile

Hey, anyone remember the one about Aunt May as a teenager where it implied May was really Peter's mother? And it was supposed to be a romance comic aimed to pick up female readers but it was by Mark Millar?



Superman at World's End? Where he resorts to some comically big gun?

Yea, that was bad.

abhilegend
Superman/Big Barda porno. By far the worst story I've ever read, not just in comics. Byrne is a creepy hack.

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by Q99
Wow, most of you lot have been generally lucky with your comics smile

Hey, anyone remember the one about Aunt May as a teenager where it implied May was really Peter's mother? And it was supposed to be a romance comic aimed to pick up female readers but it was by Mark Millar?



Superman at World's End? Where he resorts to some comically big gun?

Yea, that was bad.

Yes that one.

But i rather read worlds end than millenium smile

The issue where hulk gets his powers stolen by this blonde dude, i think his name is dominus? I dont remember, but that one was pretty bad, especially, because bruce banner finally got rid of the hulk, just to get it back by his own choice. When the power of the hulk was already diverted into 100 beings, that seemed more rational than the hulk.

That one was pretty bad too.

Created equal was shtty too.

Damborgson
Avengers assemble was a piece of crap. Stepped on continuity to appeal to movie fans and foreshadow future movies. Horrific dialogue, sub par action, kod thor every issue basically, jobbed Thanos, bleh bleh bleh.

Ultimatum was the worst mini series I've ever read though. Sweet Jesus it's hard to believe something could be that bad.

roughrider
Tie - All Star Batman And Robin & Holy Terror.

Goes to show just how much of a nut-job Frank Miller has become and creatively fallen.

Branlor Swift
Final Crisis

bluewaterrider
Secret Wars II #6.

Something about this story made me literally want to punch somebody after reading it.

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(Secret Wars II#6) - The Beyonder bought land in Sparta, Illinois and erected a huge building for himself there. He then set out to help Power Pack against a gang called the Squids who had gotten ahold of a Snark laser gun. He then returned to his new headquarters, but a local reporter named Dave was outside waiting for him. The Beyonder brought him inside and explained his origins. He told Dave how his encounter with Dr. Strange showed him he needed to be a champion of life. He took Dave on as his PR rep, and the two started a massive publicity campaign as the Beyonder saved the world time and again, including stopping a tsunami from wiping out Perth, Australia. Elsewhere, Uatu the Watcher appeared before the Molecule Man and told him that the Watchers had voted to break their vow of non-interference in order to stop the oncoming threat the Beyonder posed the multiverse. Owen declined to help, wishing to be left alone. In the next few hours/days, the Beyonder brought food to the starving in East Africa, diagnosed an ill child's malady and built solar wind converters for an alien race. Even through all of this, the Beyonder still was unsure of his true role in the universe. When Captain America and Mr. Fantastic came to warn the Beyonder that he needed to be careful to avoid taking over the world again, Dave tried to show them that they were just afraid the Beyonder was stealing their thunder. Dave and the Beyonder then held a press conference during which they announced their intention to wipe out Death itself. The Beyonder then called for Death and offered her a drink that held enough power to "kill" her. Mephisto, fearing that this would mean no more new souls for his realm, appeared and ordered his demon hordes to attack the Beyonder. Uatu then appeared with a number of the most powerful beings in the universe (Chronos, Eternity, Gardener, In-Betweener, Living Tribunal, Lord Chaos, Master Order, One Above All, others) and tried to talk him out of destroying Death. Dave made Death drink from the cup, and "she" disintegrated. When the Molecule Man realized what was happening when a dead flower in his apartment was suddenly alive again, he teleported to the cosmic meeting and explained to the Beyonder the consequences of this. Dave realized their mistake and begged the Beyonder to bring Death back. The only way to do so was for Dave to sacrifice himself and be the first "death" of a new cycle. He agreed and the Beyonder used his powers to kill Dave and transform him into Death. The Beyonder then destroyed his headquarters and decided that even though he still wished to be a champion, he had to scale it back a little.
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TheGodKiller
Found an interesting article here: http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/12/10-worst-comic-books-2012/the-savage-hawkman
Originally posted by Damborgson
Avengers assemble was a piece of crap. Stepped on continuity to appeal to movie fans and foreshadow future movies. Horrific dialogue, sub par action, kod thor every issue basically, jobbed Thanos, bleh bleh bleh.
laughing

steverules_2
People can hate All star Batman and Robin all they like, but they can't deny it had ONE of the best Batman lines ever

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/GoddamnBatman.jpg

Damborgson

Endless Mike
Probably the worst I've ever read was Cry for Justice.

Anyway I actually kind of liked Secret Wars II... confused

-Pr-
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman/Big Barda porno. By far the worst story I've ever read, not just in comics. Byrne is a creepy hack.

He was living vicariously through Superman, as he had a crush on Barda. Like you wouldn't do the same with Lois. stick out tongue

==

Honestly, I wonder if I can make the distinction between just bad, and bad in the way that it insults the characters. Fractions X-Men, for example, was horrible.

Cry for Justice was bad. That Red Arrow one was bad too.

abhilegend
Originally posted by -Pr-
He was living vicariously through Superman, as he had a crush on Barda. Like you wouldn't do the same with Lois. stick out tongue
droolio


Uh, I mean I wouldn't do anything like that.

-Pr-
Originally posted by abhilegend
droolio


Uh, I mean I wouldn't do anything like that.

laughing out loud

I think a worse example was that chick who wrote herself raping Nightwing.

abhilegend
Originally posted by -Pr-
laughing out loud

I think a worse example was that chick who wrote herself raping Nightwing.
I really wouldn't. I'm not like you who would go all aquaman on Mera.

sneer

You mean Devin Grayson? That was creepy as hell. She has even said that she was using Tarantula as author-avatar.

messed

Kazenji
Originally posted by Damborgson
Avengers assemble was a piece of crap. Stepped on continuity to appeal to movie fans and foreshadow future movies. Horrific dialogue, sub par action, kod thor every issue basically, jobbed Thanos, bleh bleh bleh.


Its also canon from what i've read and typical Bendis **** continuity, I'll just bring Thanos back without explaining how he got out of the cancerverse.

JayDaDon
Hopefully we can look to Hickman to clean up Bendis' mess

SevenShackles
Ultimatum the ultimate comics event. God.. Why? So horrible. Pointless even and to top it off it's big reveal was revealed in another prequel (I think) comic. Mutants are man made... Took all the wind out of the sails of that revelation making it more crappy.

Who did the art for WWH? I utterly despise that style and it ruined the book for me. Just so damn ugly. It sits on my shelf next to my beautiful planet hulk and I refuse to even look at it.

-Pr-
Originally posted by abhilegend
I really wouldn't. I'm not like you who would go all aquaman on Mera.

sneer

You mean Devin Grayson? That was creepy as hell. She has even said that she was using Tarantula as author-avatar.

messed

I don't tend to like redheads, tbh. Now, Superman and Diana... heh.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by -Pr-
He was living vicariously through Superman, as he had a crush on Barda. Like you wouldn't do the same with Lois. stick out tongue
From what I've read regarding that incident, he was actually getting back at Kirby for some parodying he did of Byrne in a Marvel comic. Barda's characterization was originally based on Kirby's wife, so what better way to disrespect the TOAA of Marvel?

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Damborgson
They forgot to mention the mistreating of Thor though. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/sneer.gif
That's probably because it has become such a common trope, that Thor getting KOed is probably a part and parcel of his character/powerset now. wink

curryman
Ultimatum is pretty high up.

Many of the countdown issues.

Arsenal series that followed Cry for Justice.

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That's probably because it has become such a common trope, that Thor getting KOed is probably a part and parcel of his character/powerset now. wink

Thor has been getting the same treatment on the Avengers comics since forever.

Often mentioned as one of the most powerful avengers to end up getting punkd.

Is a common practice, and his fans have complained abut this a lot.

Even Stan Lee did it.

I have no idea how bad it has gotten lately, but it sounds like he keeps getting the same treatment.

BTW, I agree. some of those 52 issues were pretty bad. But I very much enjoyed the story of Ralph Dingby and Nabu.

Galan007
Even though seeing ninja-Jesus fight Zues was comical, Liefeld's Godyssey is the worse piece of crap I have ever read.

abhilegend
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't tend to like redheads, tbh. Now, Superman and Diana... heh.
Whatever you say Aquaclops, both jean and Mera are redheads.

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Also I would kill you...................................slowly and painfully for mentioning that travesty.

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stick out tongue

-Pr-
This is how I know you're new.

Anyone who knows me, knows I despise Jean Grey. She's probably my least favourite comic character, now that I think about it.

abhilegend
I know.

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TheGodKiller
Originally posted by -Pr-
This is how I know you're new.

Anyone who knows me, knows I despise Jean Grey. She's probably my least favourite comic character, now that I think about it.
Jean's hawt. So is Mera.

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Jean's hawt. So is Mera.
Ditto.

Endless Mike
Bump

Q99
Originally posted by Galan007
Even though seeing ninja-Jesus fight Zues was comical, Liefeld's Godyssey is the worse piece of crap I have ever read.

One of the worst parts is the Jesus vs Zeus fight didn't even happen! It was just a vision or something.


Pretty much the *one* selling point, and...

comicfan11
JLA Act of God (Elseworlds mini written by Doug Moench)
Although is should be called Batman Act of Batgod.

A colossal middle finger to the ENTIRE DCU, except for the Bat family of course.

All the heroes loose their powers and turn to whiny, pathetic, dysfunctional little b1thces who need Batsavior to tell them what to do.

Atlantis and Themyscira are barely mentioned and Artur and Diana don't even make an attempt to find out what happened to their kingdoms.
They just mop.
They are like "oh sh1t we lost our powers, tough luck for all the people of Atlantis who probably drowned or the Amazons who might have lost their immortality".

Superman, WW and all the others basically give up and say "we are useless pieces of meat without our powers"

Also both Aquaman and Martian Manhunter need training from Batman because they are useless and had no training at all.
A warrior and an elite alien "manhunter" need Batsus to teach them how to walk.

Linkara shredded this one in 3 parts and I might even say he was kinda lenient, despite calling it the worst thing he reviewed up to that point.

Also it's amazing because it's not insulting to 1 or 2 characters.
Moench manages to insult everyone not Bat related.
Superman, WW, MM, Aquaman, Kyle, Wally, Steel, Booster, etc etc.
Superman especially gets [email protected] on royally.

Galan007
Cry for Justice
Godyssey
Ultimatum

...Pak's Batman/Superman

Damborgson
Originally posted by Galan007
...Pak's Batman/Superman

Haven't kept up. That bad?

Galan007
Terrible. Borderline unreadable.

-Pr-
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Jean's hawt. So is Mera.

being hot doesn't excuse being an enormous **** who gets more praise than she'll ever deserve.

mera's a good woman though; she's someone I could get in to.

Originally posted by Galan007
Cry for Justice
Godyssey
Ultimatum

...Pak's Batman/Superman

yeah, it's pretty bad.

Badabing
Originally posted by Galan007
Cry for Justice
Godyssey
Ultimatum

...Pak's Batman/Superman Originally posted by -Pr-
being hot doesn't excuse being an enormous **** who gets more praise than she'll ever deserve.

mera's a good woman though; she's someone I could get in to.



yeah, it's pretty bad. I'm gonna visit Arizona and Ireland soon to beat some sense into your faces. Shut up both of you. sneer

Galan007
You'll be dead LONG before that. I have a pet brucie who eats pieces of shit like you for breakfast. biscuits

Badabing
Originally posted by Galan007
You'll be dead LONG before that. I have a pet brucie who eats pieces of shit like you for breakfast. biscuits laughing out loud

redhotrash
Seems like a lot of my Worst list would come from the pages of Spider-Man. Not sure if its because I normally really like the character or because he gets mishandled so badly. I'd say the entire Loeb run on Hulk, starting with WWH was, to me, pretty horrific to read.
As for Jean, being hot on a team full of hot chicks makes it hard to stand out, especially when shes boringly arrogant and a generally bland character caught in a bland love triangle. And somehowI still like her more than Emma.

Bouboumaster
Ultimate 3 and Ultimatum

HueyFreeman
Sins Past

the Darkone
Ultimatum
Cry for Justice
Chaos War
Age of Ultron
DC Millennium
Avengers assembles
Eternals Chuck Austin

roughrider
Originally posted by comicfan11
JLA Act of God (Elseworlds mini written by Doug Moench)
Although is should be called Batman Act of Batgod.

A colossal middle finger to the ENTIRE DCU, except for the Bat family of course.

All the heroes loose their powers and turn to whiny, pathetic, dysfunctional little b1thces who need Batsavior to tell them what to do.

Atlantis and Themyscira are barely mentioned and Artur and Diana don't even make an attempt to find out what happened to their kingdoms.
They just mop.
They are like "oh sh1t we lost our powers, tough luck for all the people of Atlantis who probably drowned or the Amazons who might have lost their immortality".

Superman, WW and all the others basically give up and say "we are useless pieces of meat without our powers"

Also both Aquaman and Martian Manhunter need training from Batman because they are useless and had no training at all.
A warrior and an elite alien "manhunter" need Batsus to teach them how to walk.

Linkara shredded this one in 3 parts and I might even say he was kinda lenient, despite calling it the worst thing he reviewed up to that point.

Also it's amazing because it's not insulting to 1 or 2 characters.
Moench manages to insult everyone not Bat related.
Superman, WW, MM, Aquaman, Kyle, Wally, Steel, Booster, etc etc.
Superman especially gets [email protected] on royally.

I was just re-reading about that. Surprising that Doug Moench wrote it; he made his distinguished career by sticking almost exclusively to single hero books - Batman, Shang-Chi, Moon Knight - and not by writing any kind of superhero crossover series. Obviously, it wasn't his strength.

Q99
Yes, Wonder Woman, former street-level hero whenever she's lost her powers in the past, can't just do so again.

Also? She turns to Catholicism due to the loss.


Now, think about that. She was raised a Greek Pantheon worshipper and has met her gods.



Though I did kinda like the part where Kyle managed to take down one of his tech-powered villains even without powers.

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by the Darkone
Ultimatum
Cry for Justice
Chaos War
Age of Ultron
DC Millennium
Avengers assembles
Eternals Chuck Austin

Oh yeah.
Chaos ****ing War.
How could I forgot.

It seems that Pak has a pattern: every time he does something great, he has to ruin it immediatly after.

Planet Hulk -> Awesome
World War Hulk -> Well, it wasn't a disaster, but it wasn't remotly near the quality of Planet Hulk

Incredible Hercules -> One of the greatest and funniest read I ever had
Chaos War -> Pak shat on the Hercules character and his fans. And in the process, he ret-coned a botload of things to. This was one of the stupidest and baddest read ever.

comicfan11
Originally posted by roughrider
I was just re-reading about that. Surprising that Doug Moench wrote it; he made his distinguished career by sticking almost exclusively to single hero books - Batman, Shang-Chi, Moon Knight - and not by writing any kind of superhero crossover series. Obviously, it wasn't his strength.

Not his strength to say the least.
He has written some great Bat stories and one of the best Bat Elseworlds with the Bat-Vampire trilogy but man o man this mini was spiteful.

This was hate for the DCU personified.
Heck a any biased Marvel Zombie writing this would be more respectful.

comicfan11
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, Wonder Woman, former street-level hero whenever she's lost her powers in the past, can't just do so again.

Also? She turns to Catholicism due to the loss.


Now, think about that. She was raised a Greek Pantheon worshipper and has met her gods.



Though I did kinda like the part where Kyle managed to take down one of his tech-powered villains even without powers.

LOL I almost forgot WW questioning the existence of her Gods, after having met them.
Aquaman also meeting Poseidon.

And even the Kyle instance happened after he locked himself in his apartment for months, broke up with his gf, DIDN'T CHANGE CLOTHES FOR MONTHS and generally mopped like a little whiny *****.

At least Moench was consistent on his $hiting.

Q99
Originally posted by comicfan11
LOL I almost forgot WW questioning the existence of her Gods, after having met them.

"Sure, they literally gave me life in a more direct fashion than anyone else on the planet, also gave me powers with which I used to fight evil every day, and I talked to them on a semi-regularly basis. But what have they done to prove their existence to me lately?"

comicfan11
Originally posted by Q99
"Sure, they literally gave me life in a more direct fashion than anyone else on the planet, also gave me powers with which I used to fight evil every day, and I talked to them on a semi-regularly basis. But what have they done to prove their existence to me lately?"

laughing laughing True, so very true.

I imagine Moench's though process about the characters.

Batman = greatest human being ever, greatest MArtist, detective, leader, scientist, etc etc etc

Then

Superman = not Batman
Aquaman = not Batman
WW = not Batman
...


A [email protected] it just depower them and have them worship the ground Batman walks.

Endless Mike
Well I haven't actually read it, but I suppose it would be possible that instead of questioning their existence, she could just be questioning their power/status as gods, as they weren't able to prevent everyone being depowered... still massively OOC but slightly more believable?

Q99
There's still really no reason for her to turn to Catholicism.

comicfan11
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well I haven't actually read it, but I suppose it would be possible that instead of questioning their existence, she could just be questioning their power/status as gods, as they weren't able to prevent everyone being depowered... still massively OOC but slightly more believable?

I seriously recommend the Linkara 3 part video review of this comic.
Good fun, but it will also piss you off if you start thinking about how badly the characters are treated.

I rate this comic as worse than the following and that should say something.

Countdown (it messed around with the entire DCU, but I see it more like a marketing tool than an actual comic).
Amazons Attack (it $hat on the Amazons, but not the entire DCU)
One More Day (dealt exclusively with Spiderman)
Clone debacle (again Spiderman only)

But this one although it's an Elseworlds the characters are 100% the same. No different costumes, dystopian times, different eras or smthing.
These are supposed to be the normal DCU heroes.
Ans it $hits on all of them.
No one escapes the spite.

Man this comic is evil.
Check the Linkara reviews man, they make a good point.

Q99
Originally posted by comicfan11

Countdown (it messed around with the entire DCU, but I see it more like a marketing tool than an actual comic).

Things about Countdown: It explored a big part of the multiverse, revealing mostly the most boring universes and leaving little room for writers to get creative, then it blew a bunch of them up.

It was mainly about characters going on quests that largely didn't matter (I think Pied Piper's was the only one I liked and the only one that did much).

It made Captain Atom evil because.... well, they never do say why.

It had a major plotline about the Monitors trying to decide if they should do something. They don't.

It was a countdown to an event which it's story didn't actually mesh with or properly lead into, despite the first issues of FC being written before it started.




And which, weirdly, didn't feature Wonder Woman, even though at the time the intent was for it to push Wonder Woman after her titles sales started to slip due to issue delays. Yes, they thought 'randomly villainize the entire supporting cast,' would somehow make people more interested, rather than the reality of far less.




Unusually, a surprising amount of good stuff has come from it's aftermath, sorta. Not at the time, but later on we got MC2 with Spider-girl, and recently Scarlet Spider in the main universe.




Indeed. And, when it first came out, this is why it got initial positive reception!

"Wow, an Elseworld showing something happening to *our* heroes!* And having them all depowered, that's interesting!"

It's just one where, the longer you think about it, the worst it gets. And it never stops getting worse.




*Most Elseworlds are 'here's an alternate version of the characters who, during the course of the story, fall into their normal roles. Which is why Elseworlds tend to be weaker than Marvel What Ifs, generally speaking.

comicfan11
I completely agree on all accounts.

But I actually like Elseworlds exactly for the reason you mentioned though lol.
I really like seeing the heroes being heroes in different settings and universes.
I hope one time DC does something like a team consisting of Elseworlds heroes like Red Son and Vamp Bat and takes on villains in the DCU.

Galan007
Originally posted by comicfan11
I hope one time DC does something like a team consisting of Elseworlds heroes like Red Son and Vamp Bat and takes on villains in the DCU. The closest thing we saw to that was during Countdown: Arena. But yeah, I dug Elseworlds too thumb up


As for other shitty reads:
Armageddon 2001
Secret Invasion
Secret Wars II
Our Worlds at War

...Amazons Attack!

Kazenji
Agree with Secret Invasion, That one was all over the ****ing place.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Galan007
The closest thing we saw to that was during Countdown: Arena. But yeah, I dug Elseworlds too thumb up


As for other shitty reads:
Armageddon 2001
Secret Invasion
Secret Wars II
Our Worlds at War

...Amazons Attack!

-1GadTfGFvU

Wait. Our Worlds At War? Seriously?

Q99
Originally posted by comicfan11
I completely agree on all accounts.

But I actually like Elseworlds exactly for the reason you mentioned though lol.
I really like seeing the heroes being heroes in different settings and universes.
I hope one time DC does something like a team consisting of Elseworlds heroes like Red Son and Vamp Bat and takes on villains in the DCU.

Personally I felt most Elseworlds didn't really go far enough. There were some really good ones like the ones you name, but most underused their premise. There's a reason why DC gradually stopped doing them, even back when editorial made sensible decisions.




I'm going to admit to liking that one. A buncha teambusters all show up at once, everyone has to fight one, big alliance with Darkseid, and some cool moments like the sundipping.

It's not a brilliant story but I found it a fun action piece.


It's no Amazons Attack!

comicfan11
Originally posted by Galan007
The closest thing we saw to that was during Countdown: Arena. But yeah, I dug Elseworlds too thumb up


As for other shitty reads:
Armageddon 2001
Secret Invasion
Secret Wars II
Our Worlds at War

...Amazons Attack!

Countdown Arena had a great premise but bad execution and resolution.

Also dude Our Worlds at War was no Watchmen but it doesn't belong in the same category with Obvious Invasion and Failmageddon 2001. I have to agree with -PR- and Q99 on that.

basilisk
Originally posted by comicfan11
JLA Act of God (Elseworlds mini written by Doug Moench)
Although is should be called Batman Act of Batgod.

A colossal middle finger to the ENTIRE DCU, except for the Bat family of course.

All the heroes loose their powers and turn to whiny, pathetic, dysfunctional little b1thces who need Batsavior to tell them what to do.

Atlantis and Themyscira are barely mentioned and Artur and Diana don't even make an attempt to find out what happened to their kingdoms.
They just mop.
They are like "oh sh1t we lost our powers, tough luck for all the people of Atlantis who probably drowned or the Amazons who might have lost their immortality".

Superman, WW and all the others basically give up and say "we are useless pieces of meat without our powers"

Also both Aquaman and Martian Manhunter need training from Batman because they are useless and had no training at all.
A warrior and an elite alien "manhunter" need Batsus to teach them how to walk.

Linkara shredded this one in 3 parts and I might even say he was kinda lenient, despite calling it the worst thing he reviewed up to that point.

Also it's amazing because it's not insulting to 1 or 2 characters.
Moench manages to insult everyone not Bat related.
Superman, WW, MM, Aquaman, Kyle, Wally, Steel, Booster, etc etc.
Superman especially gets [email protected] on royally.

I enjoyed that one for the story and just for a laugh, but yeah it did crap all over the characters. Superman wound up a drunken bum or something with Wonder Woman walking out on him. Crazy.

And yes, Amazons Attack was absolute crap.

Q99
Originally posted by comicfan11
Countdown Arena had a great premise but bad execution and resolution.

Different characters from different universes fighting it out. How can you mess that up??


Answer, boring fights, just pit people against their own alternates rather than any 'dream fights' people had wanted to see, give poor motivation for the fights (to either the organizer or the characters), and have the outcomes not really matter much. Oh, also establish that the default assumption is main universe >> everyone else, who merely serve as fodder and don't 'really' matter. That's more of a main Countdown one, but...


Oh, that reminds me. Right now Boom! studios is doing a comic called 'Deathmatch,' by Paul Jenkins. It's an arena-esque setup only done soooo muuuuuch beeeeetter.




I would literally read OWAW through twice before reading any of the others ^^

Endless Mike
Originally posted by Q99
There's still really no reason for her to turn to Catholicism.

I did say it was OOC.

Originally posted by comicfan11
I seriously recommend the Linkara 3 part video review of this comic.
Good fun, but it will also piss you off if you start thinking about how badly the characters are treated.

I rate this comic as worse than the following and that should say something.

Countdown (it messed around with the entire DCU, but I see it more like a marketing tool than an actual comic).
Amazons Attack (it $hat on the Amazons, but not the entire DCU)
One More Day (dealt exclusively with Spiderman)
Clone debacle (again Spiderman only)

But this one although it's an Elseworlds the characters are 100% the same. No different costumes, dystopian times, different eras or smthing.
These are supposed to be the normal DCU heroes.
Ans it $hits on all of them.
No one escapes the spite.

Man this comic is evil.
Check the Linkara reviews man, they make a good point.

I did see that a while ago. "You used to be the ruler of the oceans, now you're "The HAND!?" :rotfl

Galan007
Originally posted by comicfan11
Also dude Our Worlds at War was no Watchmen but it doesn't belong in the same category with Obvious Invasion and Failmageddon 2001. I have to agree with -PR- and Q99 on that. OWAW did have a few cool moments, but overall it was pretty bad, imo. Imperiex and his Probes were horrendously unoriginal antagonists, and I found the story itself(outside those few cool moments) to be extremely lackluster. Certainly not the worst event I've ever read, but it was also very, very far from the best.


Ugh, Watchmen. Listen, despite my dislike of the series as a whole I can respect Watchmen as a classic, because it was an important book in its heyday. With that being said: if you remove Watchmen from the context of the era in which it was created, it doesn't really hold up well at all. Watchmen was essentially Moore's personal commentary on superheroes and politics during an era that is no longer relevant-- a true product of its time. The comic book industry and superheros have moved on since then, which is why Watchmen doesn't read like anything special when removed from the context of its creation. I definitely wouldn't expect most new comic fans to be awed by Watchmen for this very reason... It insists upon itself.

Personally, I think of the series as little more than the platform through which Moore vented some of his political frustrations to the masses, in a borderline extremist sort of way. I've read Watchmen once, and never plan on doing so again... Now, had the comic series been written like its movie counterpart, it would have been MUCH more enjoyable, and worthy of all the hype/praise. As it is, though: movie>>>>comic series.

All my opinion, of course.

kevdude
I liked Our Worlds at War as well, nothing like Amazons Attack, that was terrible! Along with Cosmic Odyssey , Chaos War, Countdown to Final Crisis.

I agree everyone's got their own points of view. cool

Watchmen comic was ok but I liked the movie a lot better!

ODG
Originally posted by Galan007
OWAW did have a few cool moments, but overall it was pretty bad, imo. Imperiex and his Probes were horrendously unoriginal antagonists, and I found the story itself(outside those few cool moments) to be extremely lackluster. Certainly not the worst event I've ever read, but it was also very, very far from the best.


Ugh, Watchmen. Listen, despite my dislike of the series as a whole I can respect Watchmen as a classic, because it was an important book in its heyday. With that being said: if you remove Watchmen from the context of the era in which it was created, it doesn't really hold up well at all. Watchmen was essentially Moore's personal commentary on superheroes and politics during an era that is no longer relevant-- a true product of its time. The comic book industry and superheros have moved on since then, which is why Watchmen doesn't read like anything special when removed from the context of its creation. I definitely wouldn't expect most new comic fans to be awed by Watchmen for this very reason... It insists upon itself.

Personally, I think of the series as little more than the platform through which Moore vented some of his political frustrations to the masses, in a borderline extremist sort of way. I've read Watchmen once, and never plan on doing so again... Now, had the comic series been written like its movie counterpart, it would have been MUCH more enjoyable, and worthy of all the hype/praise. As it is, though: movie>>>>comic series.

All my opinion, of course. If I could punch you through the internet, I would. sam

Galan007
Originally posted by kevdude
I liked Our Worlds at War as well, nothing like Amazons Attack, that was terrible! Along with Cosmic Odyssey , Chaos War, Countdown to Final Crisis.

I agree everyone's got their own points of view. cool

Watchmen comic was ok but I liked the movie a lot better! See, I enjoyed Cosmic Odyssey.... Much moreso than OWAW. embarrasment

Originally posted by ODG
If I could punch you through the internet, I would. sam vegetajv2

Q99
I'm going to agree on Cosmic Odyssey being above OWAW.



Oh yes, it wasn't original, and there's certainly better, but I felt the number of cool moments was pretty high (Sundip, getting Steel back, unleashing Doomsday, etc.), so I find it more memorable than a fair number of events.

basilisk
Originally posted by Galan007
OWAW did have a few cool moments, but overall it was pretty bad, imo. Imperiex and his Probes were horrendously unoriginal antagonists, and I found the story itself(outside those few cool moments) to be extremely lackluster. Certainly not the worst event I've ever read, but it was also very, very far from the best.
Exactly what I thought when I eventually got around to reading it. The "cool moments" are mostly what I remember, the rest was quite weak (though maybe not bad enough for this thread). I really didn't like how they tried to shove things like the Pearl Harbor speech in.

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