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Which duo wins? Pre-Flashpoint versions.

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vs

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&
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Team 2.

Team 2 nicely.

Team 1 nearly every time.

Do you think Barda is too ineffectual here?

Originally posted by StyleTime
Do you think Barda is too ineffectual here?
Yes.

Barda stalemated WW before.

t2

Supergirl is the weak link.

PG and WW stalemate for the most part.

Barda would wipe up the floor with SG. Too skilled.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Barda stalemated WW before.
Supergirl beat ultraman in 3 punches and nearly koed superman in 3 punches. She also manhandled J'onn with one hand. Barda isn't on that level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Supergirl beat ultraman in 3 punches and nearly koed superman in 3 punches. She also manhandled J'onn with one hand. Barda isn't on that level.

I don't think SG could stalemate Wonder Woman like Barda did. Ultraman showings are hard to go by, he's pretty inconsistent.

I think Barda's skill would give her the edge.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
I don't think SG could stalemate Wonder Woman like Barda did. Ultraman showings are hard to go by, he's pretty inconsistent.

I think Barda's skill would give her the edge.
Barda=/=WW because she stalemated her once. SG could absolutely stalemate WW.

What inconsistent?

Nope.

Team 2

T2, WW could beat either one of T1 quicker than BB could last againt either of T1. By the time WW is done with whoever, barda would last just long enough for WW to take over.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
T2, WW could beat either one of T1 quicker than BB could last againt either of T1. By the time WW is done with whoever, barda would last just long enough for WW to take over.
Orly? She and a mind-controlled PG has had two fights. In one PG oneshotted her and then caught her punch effortlessly while she essentially sucker-shotted her and was wailing on her.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Power Girl owns wonder woman

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/14955333_7613458.jpg

After that easily catches her punch after Diana blindsided her

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/14955335_4707913.jpg

In the second fight, she says PG is at least as strong as her and only had her in a full nelson by skills. Nothing shows her beating PG much less quickly. As for barda, supergirl or PG would make short work of her. Wonder woman at best would get 6/10 over PG and 5/10 over SG. Beating any of them quickly before Barda falls? Out of question.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Orly? She and a mind-controlled PG has had two fights. In one PG oneshotted her and then caught her punch effortlessly while she essentially sucker-shotted her and was wailing on her.



In the second fight, she says PG is at least as strong as her and only had her in a full nelson by skills. Nothing shows her beating PG much less quickly. As for barda, supergirl or PG would make short work of her. Wonder woman at best would get 6/10 over PG and 5/10 over SG. Beating any of them quickly before Barda falls? Out of question.

Mind controlled fights are hard to gauge since 1, the hero doesn't always go full on against a friend even when min controlled. Also when controlled this is not PG typical fighting.

what made you think catching her fist was effortless? She had a look of fear in her eyes and nothing about it alluded to being effortless. Not the illustration, not the wording, not the atmosphere nothing....

I do agree that PG and SG are just as strong as WW maybe even stronger. But when your that close in streth is doesn't really matter when your skills are far and above either.

IMO if they weren't friends and out for blood. WW would beat either one quick enough for T2 to win.

I feel that a small scuffle will take place and WW gets the lasso around her opponent it's basically game over and she moves on to the next.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Mind controlled fights are hard to gauge since 1, the hero doesn't always go full on against a friend even when min controlled. Also when controlled this is not PG typical fighting.

what made you think catching her fist was effortless? She had a look of fear in her eyes and nothing about it alluded to being effortless. Not the illustration, not the wording, not the atmosphere nothing....

I do agree that PG and SG are just as strong as WW maybe even stronger. But when your that close in streth is doesn't really matter when your skills are far and above either.

IMO if they weren't friends and out for blood. WW would beat either one quick enough for T2 to win.

I feel that a small scuffle will take place and WW gets the lasso around her opponent it's basically game over and she moves on to the next.
The only way she beats any one of them quickly is by lasso and PG has also moved faster than WW can throw lasso and avoided being caught in it.

Still think SG is the weak link.

If you mixed the teams, SG would be the weak link on each one.

Not dissing her, she just fights like a kid.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Still think SG is the weak link.

If you mixed the teams, SG would be the weak link on each one.

Not dissing her, she just fights like a kid.
She has every advantage over barda that can be thought about except skills and even in that she has received an extensive training by both Batman and Wonder Woman.

Whatever stats you think she lacks she makes up for with her equipment. The megarod is powerful enough to seriously injure either of team 1.

Originally posted by Konton
Whatever stats you think she lacks she makes up for with her equipment. The megarod is powerful enough to seriously injure either of team 1.
HV is better than megarod in inflicting damage.

Diana beats barda's skanky ass.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Diana beats barda's skanky ass.
Barda was getting stomped by Female Furies and Diana had to save her ass from getting killed in the same arc where Kara nearly koed superman with 3 punches.

Did Bards almost take Superman out (permanently) with a couple of blast from her rod IIRC?

Originally posted by carver9
Did Bards almost take Superman out (permanently) with a couple of blast from her rod IIRC?
Suckershot and that was Byrne superman.

Team 2, imo.

Happened during mid fight though. Does anyone have the scans? I have them but it'll take a month for me to find it.

Originally posted by carver9
Happened during mid fight though. Does anyone have the scans? I have them but it'll take a month for me to find it.

It's not relevant to the fight, so good luck.

Originally posted by carver9
Happened during mid fight though. Does anyone have the scans? I have them but it'll take a month for me to find it.
Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Like you actually read that comic.

I would even put that superman above both Supergirl and Powergirl.

Originally posted by carver9
I would even put that superman above both Supergirl and Powergirl.

WTF.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Like you actually read that comic.

Did you read it? You are the one claiming its a sucker shot.

Originally posted by -Pr-
WTF.

You wouldnt?

Originally posted by carver9
Did you read it? You are the one claiming its a sucker shot.
You think I haven't read the comic.

crylaugh

Originally posted by carver9
Happened during mid fight though. Does anyone have the scans? I have them but it'll take a month for me to find it.

This?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/95751/1766770-1_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/95751/1766771-2_super.jpg

They have a porno scene later

I forgot just how bad that comic was. Thanks for reminding me Dambo.

No worries

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**** you Dambo. At least he wasn't raped by a bald *****

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Thor probably used his other "hammer" in there too. Who takes a hammer into bedroom?

sneer

That was no rape(http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/peaches.gif)

Originally posted by Damborgson
That was no rape(http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/peaches.gif)
Yeah, moondragon used Mjolnir instead.

huhu

Did you notice Thor is still holding Mjolnir? He likes to keep it with him at all times I guess...

Originally posted by Damborgson


Did you notice Thor is still holding Mjolnir? He likes to keep it with him at all times I guess...
I did. Maybe he offers it to the ladies after disappointing them. Alas he turns them lesbian even after that. The list is what? Valkyrie and Moondragon?

Sorry son, it's just the opposite. Lesbians just can't control themselves around him.

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How do those nutz taste?

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Originally posted by Damborgson
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/95751/1766770-1_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/95751/1766771-2_super.jpg

They have a porno scene later
Originally posted by Damborgson
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/actioncomics59314.jpg
OMG, why did you have to post that!?

Apart from the heavily implied porn/rape incidents, what's just as appalling is how easily Barda fell into his mind-control, when later on in the comic Mr Miracle not only himself resists Sleez's power, but also mentions how Granny trained all cadets to resist any mind control less powerful than Darkseid's.

You just reminded me why I hate Byrne.

Dambo and Abhi, cut it out. This shit barely gets tolerated in the ownage thread, and it won't be tolerated in threads you're supposed to actually debate in.

Team 2. WW beats either of the Kryptonians. In all their recent fights, Diana has been shown to have the edge when she gets serious. The skill gap and gear make the difference.

I think Barda can hold her own until WW's fight is over.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Team 2. WW beats either of the Kryptonians. In all their recent fights, Diana has been shown to have the edge when she gets serious. The skill gap and gear make the difference.

I think Barda can hold her own until WW's fight is over.
Like when? WW 41 against a mind-controlled PG? Or in B&B where PG oneshotted her and then casually caught her punch while she blindsided her and was wailing on her? SG and WW only traded a few punches and that was after superman was beating both kara simultaneously.

Barda can't hold herself against any of team 1. I don't know where did that came from. Barada doesn't has feats or fights to portray her in that light.

Originally posted by Damborgson
This?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/95751/1766770-1_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/95751/1766771-2_super.jpg

They have a porno scene later
http://i49.tinypic.com/1g3rl1.jpg

Damned Supes be getting herbed by New God weaponry. He was sorta caught by surprise.. Still funny though. lol

Team 2 still win.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like when? WW 41 against a mind-controlled PG? Or in B&B where PG oneshotted her and then casually caught her punch while she blindsided her and was wailing on her? SG and WW only traded a few punches and that was after superman was beating both kara simultaneously.

Barda can't hold herself against any of team 1. I don't know where did that came from. Barada doesn't has feats or fights to portray her in that light.

Yes, like in Gail's run when PG couldn't even land a hit on Diana once she got serious. Or the most recent fight w. Supergirl when Diana didn't really appear in trouble at all.

Team 2 all the way.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Dambo and Abhi, cut it out. This shit barely gets tolerated in the ownage thread, and it won't be tolerated in threads you're supposed to actually debate in.

ok, sorry.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
OMG, why did you have to post that!?

Apart from the heavily implied porn/rape incidents, what's just as appalling is how easily Barda fell into his mind-control, when later on in the comic Mr Miracle not only himself resists Sleez's power, but also mentions how Granny trained all cadets to resist any mind control less powerful than Darkseid's.

You just reminded me why I hate Byrne.

The whole thing was just weird. Mr. Miracle's face watching the tape though

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Yes, like in Gail's run when PG couldn't even land a hit on Diana once she got serious. Or the most recent fight w. Supergirl when Diana didn't really appear in trouble at all.

Team 2 all the way.
Mindcontrolled PG. DCnU fights are not applicable here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mindcontrolled PG. DCnU fights are not applicable here.

PG's state of mind did not effect her ability to fight competently. And as I stated, once Diana got serious, the fight was over.

Fine. That was SG best showing I could think of against Diana. WW has always been show to have the edge on Kara.

There is too much skill and weaponry on Team 2.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
PG's state of mind did not effect her ability to fight competently. And as I stated, once Diana got serious, the fight was over.

Fine. That was SG best showing I could think of against Diana. WW has always been show to have the edge on Kara.

There is too much skill and weaponry on Team 2.
It did. Diana directly commented on it. She had to use her skills to end the fight in full nelson. PG directly oneshotted her. I guess KO>>>Nelson, but not according to you perhaps.

Still not applicable. What showings? Supergirl 5 where superman was already beating both supergirls before diana threw just one punch with no effect whatsoever?

Skill and weaponry would take you only so far. Team 1 has advantage in nearly every area other than skill. Barda is a huge weak link.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It did. Diana directly commented on it. She had to use her skills to end the fight in full nelson. PG directly oneshotted her. I guess KO>>>Nelson, but not according to you perhaps.

Still not applicable. What showings? Supergirl 5 where superman was already beating both supergirls before diana threw just one punch with no effect whatsoever?

Skill and weaponry would take you only so far. Team 1 has advantage in nearly every area other than skill. Barda is a huge weak link.

Actually no, Diana says that PG isn't an Amazon and *that* is the difference. Once Diana got serious, the fight only had one outcome. Diana coming out on top.

Proves the point that even a weaker WW still was shown to have the edge. I honestly can't think of any showing where Diana wasn't shown to have an edge, usually restraining her with ease.

With the skill gap is this large and the weaponry is as strong as Diana and Barda posses, it takes you very far. And any stat edges either PG or SG have on Diana are pretty negligible.

It was also largely emotion control, rather than full mind control.

They convinced Power Girl she was fighting an evil Wonder Woman who she hated.

WW beats PG who beats SG.


Also, WW does.... muuuuuch better against Superman than SG does.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Actually no, Diana says that PG isn't an Amazon and *that* is the difference. Once Diana got serious, the fight only had one outcome. Diana coming out on top.

Proves the point that even a weaker WW still was shown to have the edge. I honestly can't think of any showing where Diana wasn't shown to have an edge, usually restraining her with ease.

With the skill gap is this large and the weaponry is as strong as Diana and Barda posses, it takes you very far. And any stat edges either PG or SG have on Diana are pretty negligible.
She only had her in full nelson. Nothing more, nothing less. That's winning on point only and that was a mindcontrolled PG. PG straight up KOED her in one punch.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Power Girl owns wonder woman

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/14955333_7613458.jpg

After that easily catches her punch after Diana blindsided her

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/14955335_4707913.jpg
After superman softened her up, she threw only one punch and then fight was interrupted. Diana didn't have a definite edge anyway.

Barada is more in superboy's league than SG or PG. It does when one girl can KO the strongest member of team 2 in one punch.Originally posted by Q99
It was also largely emotion control, rather than full mind control.

They convinced Power Girl she was fighting an evil Wonder Woman who she hated.

WW beats PG who beats SG.


Also, WW does.... muuuuuch better against Superman than SG does.
Different methods, same results.

She does better than supergirl? Lets see WW nearly knocking out superman in three punches

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_017-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_018-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_001-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg

Or show SG getting koed by a single HV blast.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/hv/FinalCrisis06a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/hv/FinalCrisis06b.jpg

I would wait here.

Abhi, warned for making me agree with Q99 when it comes to Wonder Woman. Thanks, dude.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Abhi, warned for making me agree with Q99 when it comes to Wonder Woman. Thanks, dude.
You are welcome, dark lord.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She only had her in full nelson. Nothing more, nothing less. That's winning on point only and that was a mindcontrolled PG. PG straight up KOED her in one punch.

After superman softened her up, she threw only one punch and then fight was interrupted. Diana didn't have a definite edge anyway.

Barada is more in superboy's league than SG or PG. It does when one girl can KO the strongest member of team 2 in one punch.
Different methods, same results.

She does better than supergirl? Lets see WW nearly knocking out superman in three punches

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_017-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_018-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_001-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg

Or show SG getting koed by a single HV blast.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/hv/FinalCrisis06a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/hv/FinalCrisis06b.jpg

I would wait here.


Lawls at the scans you posted. Your missing a-lot of contexts. Diana didn't want to fight Powergirl in the ruins/library because they were filled with precious ancient writings. Later on, Diana was able to evade Powergirl at super speeds. Karen didn't hear WW attacking her from behind. As mentioned before, Diana already schooled Powergirl. She's her superior.

Wonder Woman *****-slap Kara when she went rogue. The same Supergirl who easily defeated the entire Justice League. Therefore, Diana is her superior. It''s quite simple.

Also, Superman didn't want to fight Kara when she was taken by Darkseid. Eventually, he broke loose and took her down.

And once again, lawls at the scan where Diana got taken out by HV. She took a blast to the face from Superman when he thought Diana was Doomsday. During Final Crisis WW was a walking zombie. She could've easily evaded his attack.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She only had her in full nelson. Nothing more, nothing less. That's winning on point only and that was a mindcontrolled PG. PG straight up KOED her in one punch.

After superman softened her up, she threw only one punch and then fight was interrupted. Diana didn't have a definite edge anyway.

Barada is more in superboy's league than SG or PG. It does when one girl can KO the strongest member of team 2 in one punch.
Different methods, same results.

She does better than supergirl? Lets see WW nearly knocking out superman in three punches

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_017-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_018-SupermanBatman011Rembrandt-DCP.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2004%20-%20Superman%20-%20Batman%20-%20Supergirl%20Power%20Mystery/th_001-Superman-Batman012Rembrandt-DCP.jpg

Or show SG getting koed by a single HV blast.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/hv/FinalCrisis06a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/hv/FinalCrisis06b.jpg

I would wait here.


Lawls at the scans you posted. Your missing a-lot of contexts. Diana didn't want to fight Powergirl in the ruins/library because they were filled with precious ancient writings. Later on, Diana was able to evade Powergirl at super speeds. Karen didn't hear WW attacking her from behind. As mentioned before, Diana already schooled Powergirl. She's her superior.

Wonder Woman *****-slap Kara when she went rogue. The same Supergirl who easily defeated the entire Justice League. Therefore, Diana is her superior. It''s quite simple.

Also, Superman didn't want to fight Kara when she was taken by Darkseid. Eventually, he broke loose and took her down.

And once again, lawls at the scan where Diana got taken out by HV. She took a blast to the face from Superman when he thought Diana was Doomsday. During Final Crisis WW was a walking zombie. She could've easily evaded his attack.

Stop giving us Super-fans a bad name.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are welcome, dark lord.

Flattery will get you nowhere.

Lol at ABHI scans.

Originally posted by aztec
Lawls at the scans you posted. Your missing a-lot of contexts. Diana didn't want to fight Powergirl in the ruins/library because they were filled with precious ancient writings. Later on, Diana was able to evade Powergirl at super speeds. Karen didn't hear WW attacking her from behind. As mentioned before, Diana already schooled Powergirl. She's her superior.

Wonder Woman *****-slap Kara when she went rogue. The same Supergirl who easily defeated the entire Justice League. Therefore, Diana is her superior. It''s quite simple.

Also, Superman didn't want to fight Kara when she was taken by Darkseid. Eventually, he broke loose and took her down.

And once again, lawls at the scan where Diana got taken out by HV. She took a blast to the face from Superman when he thought Diana was Doomsday. During Final Crisis WW was a walking zombie. She could've easily evaded his attack.
A mindcontrolled PG oneshotted WW. She didn't hear her because WW used her plane to hide and blindside PG.

After superman already softened her with HV and several punches. Next.

Doesn't matter. She nearly KOED him and he chose to use kryptonite when he actually KOED him.

Diana was fully powered, she was still seeing flashes at superspeed.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_FinalCrisis04Page020.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
Flattery will get you nowhere.
It wouldn't. There went my nefarious plans.
sadangel

Originally posted by aztec
Lawls at the scans you posted. Your missing a-lot of contexts. Diana didn't want to fight Powergirl in the ruins/library because they were filled with precious ancient writings. Later on, Diana was able to evade Powergirl at super speeds. Karen didn't hear WW attacking her from behind. As mentioned before, Diana already schooled Powergirl. She's her superior.

Wonder Woman *****-slap Kara when she went rogue. The same Supergirl who easily defeated the entire Justice League. Therefore, Diana is her superior. It''s quite simple.

Also, Superman didn't want to fight Kara when she was taken by Darkseid. Eventually, he broke loose and took her down.

And once again, lawls at the scan where Diana got taken out by HV. She took a blast to the face from Superman when he thought Diana was Doomsday. During Final Crisis WW was a walking zombie. She could've easily evaded his attack.

Stop giving us Super-fans a bad name.

That pretty much sums it all up.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
That pretty much sums it all up.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Yes, everyone is having a pretty nice chuckle at your posts

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Yes, everyone is having a pretty nice chuckle at your posts
You mean as I tear apart the arguments of WW fangirls?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean as I tear apart the arguments of WW fangirls?

No, I mean as each of your posts gets systematically picked apart by everyone.

WW beats up Supergirl while Barda uses her superior experience and tech to hold off or easily beat powergirl.

Team 1 only chance is some kind of sustained flying prayer heat vision tactic

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
No, I mean as each of your posts gets systematically picked apart by everyone.
Who has actually done that, if I may ask? Carver?

It's okay, Abhi just hates Diana for hogging the supernuts that he likes to perch on. vin

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's okay, Abhi just hates Diana for hogging the supernuts that he likes to perch on. vin

Oh my

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who has actually done that, if I may ask? Carver?

Q99 and Aztec for example. Also you're the only person to pick Team1 so far. You are entitled to your opinion of course, but I think your arguments have all been countered fairly thoroughly.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's okay, Abhi just hates Diana for hogging the supernuts that he likes to perch on. vin
You are just jealous.
uhuhOriginally posted by Sasaraixx
Q99 and Aztec for example. Also you're the only person to pick Team1 so far. You are entitled to your opinion of course, but I think your arguments have all been countered fairly thoroughly.
Q99 and Aztek are both just flat out wrong and just using wrong assumptions. I don't think you read my reply to their replies. Just because I'm the only one doesn't mean I'm wrong when I've actually posted proofs in my arguments and not just "Skillz, I WINZ" argument.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Q99 and Aztek are both just flat out wrong and just using wrong assumptions. I don't think you read my reply to their replies. Just because I'm the only one doesn't mean I'm wrong when I've actually posted proofs in my arguments and not just "Skillz, I WINZ" argument.

No, they're right. They broke down the scans you posted and pointed out the misinterpretations and lack of context. I read your replies but they just consisted of you repeating the same points, which were already rebutted. You also aren't doing yourself any favors by mischaracterizing others' arguments.

You are correct that being the only one doesn't mean that you are necessarily wrong. You just are in this case

Originally posted by abhilegend
A mindcontrolled PG oneshotted WW. She didn't hear her because WW used her plane to hide and blindside PG.

After superman already softened her with HV and several punches. Next.

Doesn't matter. She nearly KOED him and he chose to use kryptonite when he actually KOED him.

Diana was fully powered, she was still seeing flashes at superspeed.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_FinalCrisis04Page020.jpg

Once again at your scans. Wonder Woman was holding the ruins from falling, that's when Powergirl decided to cheap shot her!! Diana was unable to block or evade PG punches. You are however, right about the plane. I skim through my trade to make sure you were telling the truth. But even so, why bring up Final Crisis to gauge Diana's speed? You should have mentioned "Land of the Dead", "Hypothetical Woman", or Mcduffie's Justice League when Diana knocked Flash, tagged Zoom and lassoed Amazo. She dealt with speedsters on multiple occasions, in any case far more than Karen.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are just jealous.
uhuh
Q99 and Aztek are both just flat out wrong and just using wrong assumptions. I don't think you read my reply to their replies. Just because I'm the only one doesn't mean I'm wrong when I've actually posted proofs in my arguments and not just "Skillz, I WINZ" argument.

Your my favorite poster , at least the other one's make me laugh.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
No, they're right. They broke down the scans you posted and pointed out the misinterpretations and lack of context. I read your replies but they just consisted of you repeating the same points, which were already rebutted. You also aren't doing yourself any favors by mischaracterizing others' arguments.

You are correct that being the only one doesn't mean that you are necessarily wrong. You just are in this case
durelly

I would let you live you in your dream world. You're just "Nuh-uh, they destroyed you" without any comprehension of what happened. You rebutted my interpretations? More like created your own comics in your head.Originally posted by aztec
Once again at your scans. Wonder Woman was holding the ruins from falling, that's when Powergirl decided to cheap shot her!! Diana was unable to block or evade PG punches. You are however, right about the plane. I skim through my trade to make sure you were telling the truth. But even so, why bring up Final Crisis to gauge Diana's speed? You should have mentioned "Land of the Dead", "Hypothetical Woman", or Mcduffie's Justice League when Diana knocked Flash, tagged Zoom and lassoed Amazo. She dealt with speedsters on multiple occasions, in any case far more than Karen.
You haven't even produced one scan for that matter. Cheapshotting means punching someone in the face? Do you even know what is a cheapshot? Diana also cheapshotted PG later, PG caught her punch after that. Also LOLZ at reading comprehension fail, I produced that scan to prove that Diana was still full powered in Final Crisis.

None of that is pure super-speed except that damaged Amazo scene. When it came to actual super-speed combat, a guy with near flash level speed flat out embarrassed her in her own comic and zoom was flat out owning her. Her tagging zoom is no better than Jesse Quick knocking out zoom with super speed. Karen took a million punches from zoom and wasn't getting punted around the world like a rag-doll.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are just jealous.
uhuh
Q99 and Aztek are both just flat out wrong and just using wrong assumptions. I don't think you read my reply to their replies. Just because I'm the only one doesn't mean I'm wrong when I've actually posted proofs in my arguments and not just "Skillz, I WINZ" argument.

abhi, there's a difference between wanting to BE superman, and wanting to be IN superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
abhi, there's a difference between wanting to BE superman, and wanting to be IN superman.
Of course there is. I want to do the former, I can't say about you though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
durelly

You haven't even produced one scan for that matter. Cheapshotting means punching someone in the face? Do you even know what is a cheapshot? Diana also cheapshotted PG later, PG caught her punch after that. Also LOLZ at reading comprehension fail, I produced that scan to prove that Diana was still full powered in Final Crisis.

None of that is pure super-speed except that damaged Amazo scene. When it came to actual super-speed combat, a guy with near flash level speed flat out embarrassed her in her own comic and zoom was flat out owning her. Her tagging zoom is no better than Jesse Quick knocking out zoom with super speed. Karen took a million punches from zoom and wasn't getting punted around the world like a rag-doll.

... Your hilarious!! Why do I need to produce a scan? According to you, your an expert Wonder Woman reader. Once again, your taking scans out of context. Go back and reread Brave and the Bold. Diana was holding the ruins when PG hit her!! If that's not a cheap shot, maybe you need glasses. What about when Diana schooled Powergirl? Why don't you mention that as well!! Biased at its best!! Once again, stop doing that to the Super family. That's why a-lot of posters dont take you serious when you debate for Kal.


1. Diana and Kal attacked The General at sonic speeds.
2. The Martian linked the minds of Wally, Supes and Wondy when they we're capture by Adam Strange, because they process information faster than everyone else. If I remember correctly, their conversation lasted less than one second.
3. In order to tag Flash, Cheetah or Zoom a character must posses super speed. Once again, its kind of obvious.
4. Superman and Diana's fought at superspeeds when Clark was posses by Maxwell Lord. It was stated in the comics.
5. Wonder Woman evaded Powergirl's hits when the fough for the second time.
6. Speed of Hermes.

See where you fail?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course there is. I want to do the former, I can't say about you though.

I'm sure we all believe that.

Originally posted by aztec
... Your hilarious!! Why do I need to produce a scan? According to you, your an expert Wonder Woman reader. Once again, your taking scans out of context. Go back and reread Brave and the Bold. Diana was holding the ruins when PG hit her!! If that's not a cheap shot, maybe you need glasses. What about when Diana schooled Powergirl? Why don't you mention that as well!! Biased at its best!! Once again, stop doing that to the Super family. That's why a-lot of posters dont take you serious when you debate for Kal.


1. Diana and Kal attacked The General at sonic speeds.
2. The Martian linked the minds of Wally, Supes and Wondy when they we're capture by Adam Strange, because they process information faster than everyone else. If I remember correctly, their conversation lasted less than one second.
3. In order to tag Flash, Cheetah or Zoom a character must posses super speed. Once again, its kind of obvious.
4. Superman and Diana's fought at superspeeds when Clark was posses by Maxwell Lord. It was stated in the comics.
5. Wonder Woman evaded Powergirl's hits when the fough for the second time.
6. Speed of Hermes.

See where you fail?
That's not a cheapshot dummy. She was holding ruins but that doesn't mean she was not paying attention to PG. She used her skills and had a mindcontrolled PG in choke-hold. Means nothing here where PG wouldn't be mindcontrolled and you have to knock opponents out to win. PG has knocked diana out, diana hasn't. Simple.

1. Sonic speed? LOL, kryptonians fight at lightspeed.

2. So not only you're a hypocrite but a liar too? That was hippolyta and flash had to lend her speed to catch up. Epic fail.

3. I don't deny that. PG's performance against zoom was better than WW though. Wonder woman only tagged zoom because he was distracted, the two times they met she couldn't even react to him when he was blitzing her. PG tagged zoom too and tanked a million punches from him

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9817/zoompunch1qv3.jpg

4. Yeah and?

5. Speed of hermes has been described on panel as mach 3.

You fail on all accounts.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm sure we all believe that.
About you? Sure.

You should be less predictable...

Now Philo and I are going to have to find someone else.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You should be less predictable...

Now Philo and I are going to have to find someone else.
Nope. Being predictable is fun.

You've already got carver. Philo has got mindset. What else do you need?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Being predictable is fun.

You've already got carver. Philo has got mindset. What else do you need?

Someone that can properly represent the House of El. You're not living up to expectations. mmm

Originally posted by -Pr-
Someone that can properly represent the House of El. You're not living up to expectations. mmm
I sorry.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I sorry.

It's going to take some extreme work to get you in to shape, but it's doable. Report to Philo for orientation.

Team 2 wins.

In general, whatever Hippy can do, Diana can do better.

However, that does bring to mind another example that I think was Diana. When Bruce Wayne was replaced with a white martian (it had amnesia and assumed it was Bruce), all the JLers that could move 'faster than thought' were sent to speed across the world and check on all the other sleeping White Martians and make sure they didn't realize who they were.

Originally posted by Q99
In general, whatever Hippy can do, Diana can do better.

However, that does bring to mind another example that I think was Diana. When Bruce Wayne was replaced with a white martian (it had amnesia and assumed it was Bruce), all the JLers that could move 'faster than thought' were sent to speed across the world and check on all the other sleeping White Martians and make sure they didn't realize who they were.
Not when Flash lends Hippy speed.

Oh, that example? Superman was in China, Flash was in Egypt and Wonder Woman was.............................................................. still in the same park after one panel.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15410205_jla033122em.jpg

What an amazing display of speed!

Barda and Wonder Woman win and Barda is no weak link. She has KO'd Superman with her Mega-Rod, stunned an amped Superman with it and has KO'd Supergirl with her weapon. She can teleport Team 1 like she did too Lobo if she thinks she can't beat them, which won't be the case because she is the most skilled in the battle. Diana had to use her flight to beat Barda in their fight. They were pretty even, until Diana used her flight to win. Keep in mind, Barda didn't have her armor which she always does have when she is in battle and she didn't use the full power of her Mega-Rod. She is being really underestimated.

Here is a scan of Barda taking down Supergirl.

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag127/pcbh168/bardasupergirl678_zpsfe582e2c.jpg

Originally posted by WWQ7
Here is a scan of Barda taking down Supergirl.

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag127/pcbh168/bardasupergirl678_zpsfe582e2c.jpg

I don't even think you understand the context behind that.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I don't even think you understand the context behind that.
Barda was mind controlled by Brainiac and attacks Mister Miracle; Supergirl tries to stop her and gets taken down by Barda's Mega-Rod.

What's to understand?

Originally posted by WWQ7
Barda was mind controlled by Brainiac and attacks Mister Miracle; Supergirl tries to stop her and gets taken down by Barda's Mega-Rod.

What's to understand?
That's matrix supergirl. Completely different character.Originally posted by WWQ7
Barda and Wonder Woman win and Barda is no weak link. She has KO'd Superman with her Mega-Rod, stunned an amped Superman with it and has KO'd Supergirl with her weapon. She can teleport Team 1 like she did too Lobo if she thinks she can't beat them, which won't be the case because she is the most skilled in the battle. Diana had to use her flight to beat Barda in their fight. They were pretty even, until Diana used her flight to win. Keep in mind, Barda didn't have her armor which she always does have when she is in battle and she didn't use the full power of her Mega-Rod. She is being really underestimated. All of those attacks against superman are sucker shots. Barda isn't being underestimated here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's matrix supergirl. Completely different character. All of those attacks against superman are sucker shots. Barda isn't being underestimated here.
She was still a powerful version of Supergirl.

If Power Girl and Supergirl tried h2h with Barda they would lose: Barda is too skilled and she could KO them with her Mega-Rod like she did to Superman. Her weapon can also hold people down with gravity. Someone stole Barda's Mega-Rod one time and held Barda down with gravity with it. Barda is being underestimated; I've read the posts on here where people are saying she is too weak to fight any of Team 1, which is complete nonsense.

Originally posted by WWQ7
She was still a powerful version of Supergirl.

If Power Girl and Supergirl tried h2h with Barda they would lose: Barda is too skilled and she could KO them with her Mega-Rod like she did to Superman. Her weapon can also hold people down with gravity. Someone stole Barda's Mega-Rod one time and held Barda down with gravity with it. Barda is being underestimated; I've read the posts on here where people are saying she is too weak to fight any of Team 1, which is complete nonsense.
She isn't and barda didn't ko her anyway. Her suckershotting byrne superman doesn't mean anything here. She would get beat if she goes h2h with either PG or SG. Heck, stompa has beaten her in h2h.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She isn't and barda didn't ko her anyway. Her suckershotting byrne superman doesn't mean anything here. She would get beat if she goes h2h with either PG or SG. Heck, stompa has beaten her in h2h.
Originally posted by abhilegend
She isn't and barda didn't ko her anyway. Her suckershotting byrne superman doesn't mean anything here. She would get beat if she goes h2h with either PG or SG. Heck, stompa has beaten her in h2h.
Barda didn't KO her because she didn't use the full force of her Mega-Rod like she did when she KO'd Superman. Power Girl and Supergirl can't beat Barda in H2H; Barda is too skilled. She was chosen by Darkseid to lead the Female Furies and she would have beat Diana if Wonder Woman didn't use her flight to cheat and did you see Diana's weapon? She almost chopped Barda's legs off at the start of the fight and Diana wouldn't need to use that weapon against Power Girl or Supergirl because they aren't as skilled as Barda.

LOL When has Stompa beaten Barda? Barda has defeated Stompa with ease before.